On hybrids
14 years ago
Im working a series of characters that are hybrids of two or three different species.
Now, this is not unusual; hybrids are common in furry.
Its a fairly easy way of creating a character that is interesting and, dare I even say it, unique. There are so many species, so many combinations, so many manifestations of those combinations that you're more likely to come up with something no-one else has done by merging different species.
But in my research into hybrids, I've come across a problem that seems fairly common in furry: people don't know how to mix two species plausibly.
What I see a lot of is a mix of two species that is just the 'main' species, with a few tacked on features of the other.
For example, lets take a wolf x deer, as an example. What I see most is a normal wolf, but with a pair of antlers stuck on, maybe some deer markings.
But nothing has changed in its bone structure, its coat type, its dentition and so on.
People seem to take two species, take a chunk of features from one, a chunk of features from the other, and space them out evenly on the animal.
No NEW features are created, born from both parents, its always either one or the other.
Now, as we don't have real hybrids to look at, lets look at a species that features individuals who vary widely in bone structure and anatomy, but are often crossed: dogs.
If you take a pug and a greyhound and cross them, you don't just get a standard greyhound with pug markings and a shorter curled tail; the entire BONE structure changes. Everything about the animal becomes different. The two breeds mash together, til what you have is recognisable as neither one nor the other.
The skull doesn't become either a pugs skull OR a greyhound's skull; it becomes a mixture of both, the same as neither one of its parents, but a new shape.
And this is my issue.
A wolf x deer wouldn't have a normal wolf's skull just with antlers. It would have a skull that was neither really wolf nor deer, it'd be a unique melting of both.
It seems when people make these hybrids, they just choose the features that are most appealing from each, and stuff them together til the creature is one species with bits hacked off another and glued on.
Someone might give their wolf x deer some hooves. But always neat, perfect deer hooves, like they've been chopped right off the deer and stitched on the wolf. That, in all likelyhood, wouldn't happen. It would be more likely to be an odd mixture of hoof and paw, something more 'deformed'.
I understand people want their characters to look cute or neat or not to stretch people's minds too much, but it kinda bugs me.
With a cross of two differently shaped animals, you don't get to choose what bits come from which side; nature will just mash them together and you get what you get.
In reality, a hybrid furry would be classed as deformed. They wouldn't have neat perfect paws and normal shaped skulls; they'd be odd looking. You possibly wouldn't even be able to look at them and tell exactly what species went into their make-up, like you sometimes can't tell with a mongrel dog what its parents were.
Im creating a shark x big cat (won't say which yet) and myself fell into the trap of doing the cat template and adding shark bits on it.
But it just seemed so lazy and unlikely that you'd have this cool looking 50/50 animal with distinct features of both; you'd be more likely to get something with a deformed half shark/half cat skull shape. The very BONES wouldn't be one or the other, it would be like someone smashed them together into one, rather than being very distinctly one species or the other.
Something NEW would be created that wasn't like either of the species that went into creating it.
I know that you are allowed to take liberties with art, and it doesn't have to be realistic. But I think that if people are trying to create something really unique with a hybrid, they would be more likely to come up with something genuinely individual if they didn't just draw a bog standard cat/wolf/horse/whatever and glue bits from other species into it.
Perhaps its just that people are afraid of mutations or of 'ugly' characters. A cat with horns is much cuter than a cat/bull crossbreed with a freaky cat/bovine skull shape.
But its something I see a lot and wonder if people just don't realise that this isn't how a hybrid would work. It doesn't work like that in any other species. Cross two of anything and you get a blend of both together, not a distinct set of features from one and a distinct set of features from the other.
Now, this is not unusual; hybrids are common in furry.
Its a fairly easy way of creating a character that is interesting and, dare I even say it, unique. There are so many species, so many combinations, so many manifestations of those combinations that you're more likely to come up with something no-one else has done by merging different species.
But in my research into hybrids, I've come across a problem that seems fairly common in furry: people don't know how to mix two species plausibly.
What I see a lot of is a mix of two species that is just the 'main' species, with a few tacked on features of the other.
For example, lets take a wolf x deer, as an example. What I see most is a normal wolf, but with a pair of antlers stuck on, maybe some deer markings.
But nothing has changed in its bone structure, its coat type, its dentition and so on.
People seem to take two species, take a chunk of features from one, a chunk of features from the other, and space them out evenly on the animal.
No NEW features are created, born from both parents, its always either one or the other.
Now, as we don't have real hybrids to look at, lets look at a species that features individuals who vary widely in bone structure and anatomy, but are often crossed: dogs.
If you take a pug and a greyhound and cross them, you don't just get a standard greyhound with pug markings and a shorter curled tail; the entire BONE structure changes. Everything about the animal becomes different. The two breeds mash together, til what you have is recognisable as neither one nor the other.
The skull doesn't become either a pugs skull OR a greyhound's skull; it becomes a mixture of both, the same as neither one of its parents, but a new shape.
And this is my issue.
A wolf x deer wouldn't have a normal wolf's skull just with antlers. It would have a skull that was neither really wolf nor deer, it'd be a unique melting of both.
It seems when people make these hybrids, they just choose the features that are most appealing from each, and stuff them together til the creature is one species with bits hacked off another and glued on.
Someone might give their wolf x deer some hooves. But always neat, perfect deer hooves, like they've been chopped right off the deer and stitched on the wolf. That, in all likelyhood, wouldn't happen. It would be more likely to be an odd mixture of hoof and paw, something more 'deformed'.
I understand people want their characters to look cute or neat or not to stretch people's minds too much, but it kinda bugs me.
With a cross of two differently shaped animals, you don't get to choose what bits come from which side; nature will just mash them together and you get what you get.
In reality, a hybrid furry would be classed as deformed. They wouldn't have neat perfect paws and normal shaped skulls; they'd be odd looking. You possibly wouldn't even be able to look at them and tell exactly what species went into their make-up, like you sometimes can't tell with a mongrel dog what its parents were.
Im creating a shark x big cat (won't say which yet) and myself fell into the trap of doing the cat template and adding shark bits on it.
But it just seemed so lazy and unlikely that you'd have this cool looking 50/50 animal with distinct features of both; you'd be more likely to get something with a deformed half shark/half cat skull shape. The very BONES wouldn't be one or the other, it would be like someone smashed them together into one, rather than being very distinctly one species or the other.
Something NEW would be created that wasn't like either of the species that went into creating it.
I know that you are allowed to take liberties with art, and it doesn't have to be realistic. But I think that if people are trying to create something really unique with a hybrid, they would be more likely to come up with something genuinely individual if they didn't just draw a bog standard cat/wolf/horse/whatever and glue bits from other species into it.
Perhaps its just that people are afraid of mutations or of 'ugly' characters. A cat with horns is much cuter than a cat/bull crossbreed with a freaky cat/bovine skull shape.
But its something I see a lot and wonder if people just don't realise that this isn't how a hybrid would work. It doesn't work like that in any other species. Cross two of anything and you get a blend of both together, not a distinct set of features from one and a distinct set of features from the other.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1985223/
He is an eastern dragon and african lion mix and I've been thinking more about the dragon portion of him lately.
I agree on the subject of "That's not how it would really work," and that a good deal of hybrids out there really aren't that unique...but, we, uh...draw animals who talk and wear pants. I think all rules are kind of off ;)
But I suppose for me, I like to try and make my characters as plausible as possible, even if they are fictional, because I believe it makes their whole universe more 'believable' and therefore, more likely to be appealing to real people.
I personally have problems if a character is just too outlandish; my brain will search for some kind of logic in it, and if I can't find any, I find it hard to 'bond' with a character, because it reminds me it IS just a character created by someone like me, rather than a being I could get lost in the world of. The movie Cars, for example. I had such issues with the idea of a car being a sentient being with emotions and physical sensations that the only way I could enjoy it was to just pretend they were super developed robots. I just couldn't enjoy it if I were expected to believe they were somehow 'alive'.
Even if the explanation for how something came to be is outlandish in and of itself, I do like to have some kind of explanation.
Its probably just my quirk.
On hybrids, my feelings depend on what they're used for. My fursona has been a hyena since forever, but in more recent times, I've gotten a real fascination with sharks, so I added some shark features to her as an addon, rather than making her a true 50/50 mix. When it's about design, Rule of Cool and stuff done for fun, I'm totally okay with this.
If it's used for more serious work, I feel the exact same need as you do to have the body explained logically.
Looking forward to your shark x big cat, though. Sharks are ALWAYS an interesting add - I think they're absolutely gorgeous. Working on a realistic/serious shark x bull myself (bull shark, hurr hurr), but I always need to do a couple of sketches of each animal in different positions in order to get an understanding of their bodies before I mash 'em together. It'll be even more bothersome trying to figure out whether this new animal is aquatic or land-based, carnivore/herbivore/omnivore etc.. but fun!
Honestly, it's people going "I like that feature but not the rest" and using it. Then again, it's a question of genetics whether it would work.
Then again, it's fiction. You can put a wolf and a deer together and get an antlered wolf...
Assuming that hybrids are likely at all, all this stuff would have been taken care of ahead of time by a scientific 'creator'. Perhaps all humanoid furries have the same number of chromosomes as a regular human? Even then, there are all sorts of things that can go wrong. Having an overbite is one thing with regular human jaws; imagine having a 3" overbite with a wolf muzzle!
Only problem is, I suck quite a lot with anatomy and such. Since I'm not the best at being anatomically correct in the first place, it makes the job ten times harder. Probably why I have not drawn myself in quite a long time, actually. My unfinished character sheet just hangs over me, annoying me.
I prefer the kind of hybrids that create something completely new, rather than a species with a few physical accessories slapped on.
But, me being a sucker for genetics and conformation in animals, it does get rather disappointing to not see stronger blends because while someone can think something wouldn't work in a 45/55 mix, it usually can be managed beautifully.
the true task is to make the result look plausible, harmonic, and somehow beautiful.
the last time I mixed lion and oryx I aimed for somethign mixed more thoroughly. dunno if I succeded...
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5233872/
Honestly a real hybrid wouldn't even be able to sustain so I'd rather see fanciful "tacked on" than grotesque mangled heap.
Then again I hate how most gryphons are depicted -purely for aesthetic reasons- so try to blend them all together into one functionable critter cx
If anyone wants to have a more fused look to their hybrid I'd be glad to lend you some suggestions.