Everyone makes mistakes though

True...I've made some myself and the whole experience is definitely a learning process. Bad behavior does put a bad taste in my mouth though. Although i'm prone to forgiving or simply letting enough time pass that my personal view on the matter has long died down and i'm able to enjoy said artwork/music again.

How bad of behavior are we talking about?

Cause based on the title, it sounds like the name of a live action porno to be set at the next con.

It....It does...

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omgomgomg i'd so buy that

Just a little behind the scenes knowledge from someone who used to be a bit of an asshole. Sometimes you're not getting the full story of what's going on. We as humans rarely acknowledge a stranger's misfortune and we assume that we understand the whole situation. In my personal opinion since i've been there before, i think there's usually some really bad shit happening irl that that person doesn't tell anyone and it gets -SO- bad that they forget their humanity for a couple of moments.

tldr; Don't be so quick to judge people. Not saying what they're doing is right, but they'll realise what they did when they get a break from the shit going on around them. Just give it time.

I hear ya on that. I've been bitchy enough to warrant a few negative reactions, myself (including a permaban when i was 16 for hate art.) We all have terrible days built up from personal frustration and we're all human enough to topple when the cards are just right. It still doesn't change that i feel...i don't know...disconnected? From an artist when i can't stand by something they had said or done. Since i'm NEVER involved in the situation personally i normally just put down the headphones or quietly unwatch until either i feel the situation was redeemed to whatever my satisfaction would be or simply enough time passed that the situation doesn't bother me anymore.

For me it's a bit personal because i've been directly in one of the artist's shoes, and i understand the range of emotions it takes to make someone explode. sometimes you need to get so mad that you cry or break something. Happens to me if i don't talk about what's really going on. meltdown...

I don't unwatch people for that. But i do get where you're coming from. i just honestly think there's a lot more going on to make someone rage that hard y'know?

I can guarantee there's almost always some kind of personal instability when a situation occurs that creates that kind of outward public explosion. I guess i just tend to look at all artists as people with a similar mind and when i feel that tie has been severed it's just easier for me to walk away instead of message, bag, nag, or involve unrelated personal feelings or emotions. -watch seems so much more mild than a paragraph-long banter, IMHO. Btw, (not totally related) i'm glad you seem to be in a better place now. Hope things have quieted down for you.

It took me a while to realise i was the problem. Instead of asking for help i took it all on my shoulders, i imploded. took RL health scare, grandma getting sick, one jerk in my stream, having lingering feelings for someone, having my ex still manic/depressive making me worried, parents divorcing, two people i cared about dying, and financial issues to bring me to a boil. But - yeah. point of all of this is that i'm just not too quick to judge. :3 i support both sides equally. Could have been handled better sure, but it wasn't. and i'm sure the artist i'm thinking of already feels like a huge dick for what they did so they don't need any more hate from me.

Wow, i'm sorry to hear all of that happened (especially at once!) I know i've dealt with a fraction of that and exploded far more dramatically. I see what you're saying. I do absolutely believe the situation has gotten out of hand and people will scream it from their internet rooftops. I'm not swayed by the majority. Just my own feelings of "severence." I empathize, yet i'm not in a position to sympathize since, well, i don't know the artist personally and/or was not directly involved. Hopefully things come out better for everyone in the end.

I shot them my old journal with hopes that they can see if i can recover from what i did, they can too. Lol.. 'least i can help someone else out. gave them my contact info too because i know that they've probably got some shit going on... And yeah lol if i would have taken the time to tell someone... anyone - i probably could have avoided that explosion.

Man, it's good to know that there are people around who are mature enough to accept that a bad moment shouldn't define somebody. My claim to infamy in this fandom (okay, I used to be infamous, back when the 'Net was a smaller place) is my tendency to jump into any given social hornet's nest with guns blazing. I've been working hard at curbing that for a long time, but sometimes one phrase rubs me in exactly the wrong way and I lose out to the impulse. Turns out I have (among other things) an anxiety disorder that medication can only barely take the edge off of. I really don't mean to be an asshole, but a certain amount of that is hard wired into me and I hate it. It makes for rough going with some of the vindictive cliques around FA, and I wish more people could let mistakes go rather than file them away for later ridicule.

You're right, a bad moment shouldn't define a single person but, despite what people say, i think the internet is capable of forgiving because we are all human and make genuine mistakes. I certainly can't help but feel "removed" by an artist somehow when bad behavior takes over. I see what you're saying and, i've done it myself in a terribly shameful way, but i think that over time and through better conduct people are more likely to forgive and forget.

Yeah, I guess judging who the real bad eggs are is a matter of experience rather than hard and fast rules. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought you were being really unfair or something; I had someone else on my mind, and was just feeling grateful for a post in the defence of accidental jerks.

Np

I hear that dude. anyone who's seen how bad i reacted when i was gothhana knows i was in a pretty dark place for a while. But i'm not one to judge. i don't know the full story either way so i can't really say. i don't know the commissioner, and for all i know they could have been a little hard to work for or it could have just been the artist.. either way i don't have no respect for the artist just because they had a lapse in judgement.

lol. trust me i'm not one to hate on something like that. or on anyone who has any sort of feelings because i get how emotions work. unlike a lot of people i think before i judge.

That's exactly what I respect.

Define "behaves badly".

In general i used to actually really like Kanye West's music but now because of his explosive tweets and eccentric stage behavior i simply don't like his character enough to enjoy his music anymore.

also..this - http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rf....._explained.php

lol, you should check out MF DOOM or Quasimoto//Madlib.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewc1hixzYPY =DOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqiF4vqYZUg =DOOM+madlib (ignore the stupid unrelated fan-made video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_5edxArGT8 =Quasimoto I used to dislike this track a lot, til I really listened to the lyrics. Its enigmatic now- I cant tell if the guy got away with murder, or just saw one and high-tailed it he was able to tell the story.

Thanks for the links...Musicians are a little harder to pinpoint in a song but easier to identify during their behavior outside of their music. I guess that's maybe where i draw the line.

*vomit*

yup
had one who i very happily got a bit of art in a con art auction was very impressed with their skill an
such i brought the art to be signed as they hadent an got

"meh so you got it, should have sold for more" an tossed said art back at me an went back to
talking to their table mate about their dinner plans

i have not remarked on any of their art since nor will i an wont buy anymore either
passing on to others that their a bit of a (insert bad word here)

Ouch! I could never imagine myself in a situation where i'd ever say something like that

since then i put my extra bits of cash on the lesser known artists
who not only need the $ but the complements an ego boost they get from having customers

Which there was an easer way of finding said artist on FA. Normally you need to learn of them via word of mouth.

there was (is) a live journal page about bad commissioners but i dont think there is one for artists
an lets say this its a popular artist is doing a very well done comic right now

A_B is the only resource i know about both artists and commissioners that has even positive but mostly negative entries to warn others of similar behavior. There are other lj communities that i've heard about but never looked into. Some, i think are private communities as well.

I remember in the days of Furbid, there was a really talented artist who was such an asshole that I just couldn't enjoy their art, so I know exactly where you're coming from

Wow...furbid. I remember those days...*feels old*

*LOL* Yeah, same here - I joined a message board for furs in my province recently, & it seems like 90% of the people there are under 20 o_0

EXACTLY
*LOL*

I mean, I get mistaken for early 20s all the time, but it still makes me feel old when there's SO MANY PEOPLE who weren't even alive when I was 10 years old...

It just reminds me when i was talking about earthworm Jim and my lil' brother was like "what's that?" and i just felt like "OMG HAS IT REALLY BEEN THAT LONG?" I mean, i'm not old enough to talk about the war or anything but that 10 year gap really makes the difference.

These kids today & their first person shooters *shakes fist*

They all need to get off my lawn

Why in my day, we didn't have this 3D bullshit that you kids have in games now.. NOOOO, we only had TWO dimensions, & by gum we liked it!

Yeah, same here. In particular it's when an artist blatantly and unapologeticly insults their watchers. I had to unwatch a couple people yesterday myself because of that.

Yeah it's just....disappointing, really.

It is. I love the artist's work, but I just don't think I can justify watching them if they're going to be so brutal to their fans. I don't ask that artists be angels to their watchers, but some basic foundation of respect is necessary.

I think a positive (albeit nerdy) example would be that i liked MC Chris's music but when i went to an actual show and saw how he treated his fans i absolutely FELL IN LOVE with his personality. He took the time to speak to EVERY SINGLE PERSON that approached him in a civil manner, autographed things, and as a result i bought a TON of his stuff. I don't doubt for a second that people have bad days and sometimes circumstances will cause people to lash out at strangers. Internet is kind of the best place for a situation like that to happen but i do believe that continued improvement and good behavior can and will change a reputation from good to bad to good.

That's true. Everybody does have their bad days, especially on the internet when its so much easier to vent. The problem comes in when its not just venting.

I TOTALLY hated on Rainbow Dash the other day on  Sinnamon's journal.

*snaps fingers with the head weave* "hAiiiiiii"


BISH YOU BETTAH NOT BEEN UNWATCHING ME!

Y U BE ALL UP HATIN ON RAYNBO DAYSH YO?! U MAD?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

PSHAW I JUS UNWATCH U DRAMAMONGER

I know that feeling. I've unwatched a number of people for that reason.

It sucks because it didn't have to be that way. :/