That's exactly why I don't play online anymore. I only play with my friends and always using either LAN or Split-Screen as they are guaranteed fun :3

I don't have friends to play LAN stuff so i must play online anyway ^^;

Ya, I stopped doing online gaming a long time ago, and it's the reasons that you stated is why I've been playing a lot of my older games from the 90's. ^^

I play both online and old style arcade games ^^

Agree so much. I play games to have fun....and it's fun to play Halo or SSB or whatever with a bunch of friends. But it's not fun to lose over and over at Modern Warfare while some 13-year-old calls you a faggot, or let your pets die because you have to reach Level 90 in WoW.

*hugs* i want to frav this comment

You can be in my party/team/whatever any time you want batty, I completely agree with everything you said^^

Never played Halo, WoW, or Modern warshit, so no idea how are those anyway ^^;

Exactly.
I played COD for the first time ever at 3AM new years day I was pretty drunk and that was the only reason I was able to stomach it. Simply because of all these people with no lives competing to be the best at it, meant that poor drunken n00b me stood no chance.
Same with any game I've seen any of my friends play online.
It's human nature I'm afraid we want to win badly and if we're given a competition most of us want to win.

i never drink so i dunnow how it feels to play drunk, but it seems like you got what i mean ^^

Achievement Unlocked: 1g Had fun!

With you, i'm sure i would :3:3:3

Down boy! Down! :P

Awwww :<

... oh fine, you dun have ta x3

Yay X3X3X3

Got mah eye on you, though >.>

Ohh that's interesting :3:3:3

Well yah, I see whatcha draw, I'm watching you *fingers to her eyes, then points them at you* WATCHING. YOU.

I understood that X3X3X3
And i thank you :3:3:3

Which is why I need to keep my eyes on you, I'm not ending up in a tight spot so easily :P

I'll keep my eyes on you too, you're pretty :3:3:3

... err... I...thankooo ^/////^

The only online game I do play atm is Gran Turismo 5, and even then I am playing online less. The reason? I have been getting booted out of racing rooms more often than not due to peoplegetting butthurt for losing races they are hosting or hating the fact that you don't drive the way they do, or better on the more technical tracks.

The only racing game i ever played online was Mario Kart Wii, still didn't play much anyway but i've heard lots of cheaters joined the game and destroyed it completely :P

Been complained at more than a few times while playing WoW for this very reason.

I am a casual gamer at heart, I don't do this sort of hard core stuff that some people seem to be into.

Never played WoW, and i don't consider myself a causal, more an halfway between casual and hardcore, like "i know where to stop being obsessed with something"

Way too few people like yourself in this world hun.

Way too few.

http://www.dosbox.com/ =)

I used that to fire up an old copy of MOO2, was amusing, one of my fave games ever, but, yanno, I wouldn't say I was overwhelmed with joy to see it again. More like "Oh, I see why I liked this back then."

Also known as: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NostalgiaFilter

Kitty is nostalgic :3:3:3 ? i dunnow many Dos games but i remember i saw a couple when i was kid X3X3X3

Yeah DOSBox is great to run old games like Blake Stone, Wolfenstein 3D, DooM, Death Rally, Hexen, Heretic... etc... Love those old games. Especially those on the arcade or consoles. x3

*waves a cane*

Thats why I'm always true with Nintendo. XD

Beh quando tf2 uscì nel 2007 era divertimento puro, IMO non c'erano fps che riuscivano ad eguagliarlo. Dopo 4 anni si è ridotto a scambi di cappellini e binbiminkia che usano i cheat perchè tanto il gioco è gratis e se gli viene bannato l'account ne fanno un altro, ma è comunque bello da giocarci con persone che conosci. :)
Gli achievement sono un contorno, io li considero una sfida in più mentre gioco, ma di certo non sono lo scopo; condivido tutto quello che hai detto comunque, la concezione di videogiochi come la intendi tu è lasciata sempre più indietro, probabilmente perchè non "vende".

Beh io lo conosco relativamente da poco grazie ai video col gmod, però si, ho incontrato fin troppi bimbiminkia fissati coi cappellini del cazzo, ne ho anche bloccati diversi perchè veramente, tritavano le balle ogni volta che mi vedevano su Steam, con "DUDE (parola inglese usatissima dai bimbiminkia) YOU HAVE THAT HAT ?"o con "questo cappellINO lo scambi ?" e altre cazzate... <.<

E sì, se te lo stai chiedendo sono volgare ^^;

Ah a me pareva che ti stessi trattenendo xD

I agree, I don't play online games anymore because of this.

Are you sure this is really that new? Hate to be the voice of dissent, but this has been around even since the early days of Starcraft 1. Heck, I even recall there being quite a few arguements regarding the 'best' pokemon to use out at the schoolyard when I was a lot younger, with a lot of teasing for anyone who broke the 'standard'. I think wanting to be "TEH BEST" is just a normal part of human nature, and for some that is what makes things fun.

I didn't play pokemon games back then but i know about that :P
I had a similar experience with SSB

They laughed at me.... bringing magikarps and Blisseys.... then I whipped them, and they broke my GBA.

This is a major issue behind Fighting Games.....it's virtually impossible to find someone who doesn't pick Top Tier characters and wants nothing more than to win with bullshit.....and then Rage-Quit when you finally get the upper hand. DX

I don't play fighting games so no idea about those X3X3X3

It's kinda the same thing you're talking about here. Scoreboards, Trophies, Ranking, it's the sole reason these fighting game players never calm the hell down and just have fun instead of exploiting glitches and weaknesses so that they're ranking looks super perfect. >.<

Yeah i remember to had an experience like that with another game then, not a real fighting one but i'm sure you know SSB games, well they are all like that, people using those "exploits" and stuff are also callen "tourneyfags" because of the way they are "obsessed" with precise settings and how they exploit every glitch or tweak that isn't supposed to be used in the game :P:P:P

You mean Smash Bros.? Yeah, that's my best game actually. It just sucks that everyone takes it so seriously when the game is NOT balanced for 1 Vs. 1 play. The chaos and mayhem is what makes the game hard to master! :P

I totally agree with You buddy.
People rage quit and go crazy because of stats, scores and such. To be honest - i personally like being good at something, and would enjoy being the best, but... it's not worth selling Your online personality to the dark forces of Douchery. I'm a Starcraft 2 player, and i do play online from time to time. I enjoy winning, i dislike loosing. I love to smash someone, i dislike when my ultimate master plans fail. But... it's just a game. In the end it should always be "Gg, thanks for the game!"...

And i totally agree with what you say doggy, i wish people around being as paweusome as you are :3:3:3

This is my first reply, to anybody on here, because this is a subject close to my heart

I play Minecraft, now I understand if that's not your kinda game, however let me elaborate before you brush this off. I play Minecraft, not because I enjoy building [which I do], not because i enjoy adventuring [because I do], I play Minecraft with others for fun, that's what it is, fun. Not because there has to be a leader board, or High score, I play if because at least on the server I play on, we're a family. Sure there might be the occasional argument, but expecting everything to be butterflies and rainbows all the time is childish, after all, we're all fallible. I play Minecraft for the experience of creating worlds, building large week long projects with like minded people, to know that I'm good at what I do in Minecraft, yet at the same time be humbled by the creations of others. And do you know what all this turns into? A group of people, who then in turn go out and play other games with each other, knowing that it's for fun, not for numbers.

Find that game, whatever it ends up being for you, with good people who are willing to be more than just "team mates for a round", it'll turn from screaming pre pubescent players, to suddenly you've filled a whole lobby with people you know, and a good friends with, and that, makes for a better game, every time.

-SunsetSpecter

Long comment but very interesting i say :3:3:3
I play Terraria myself ^^;

Well it's true though, you play a fun game that's all about creativity and helping one another complete more elaborate projects, and in doing so you learn that they too enjoy playing the more competitive games usually reserved for the "hard core" gamers and those in it for the leaderboards. However even if you aren't winning, in fact maybe you're getting trounced horribly, when you're with your friends you laugh about it, and the game is still fun. Hell last night even i was Playing Counterstrike Source and was at a 11 and 47 K.D. laughing my head off because all we were doing was making fun of ourselves being bad at CCS, why? Because I know these people, we build in Minecraft, and at the end of the day the internet is full of trolls, and a team full of your friends will trump that any day, that is, unless you fill the lobby completely with friends, like tonight. good times.

Sorry for the long comments, i'm a wordy kind of person, and, though I've never met you, I like to help. Hit me up sometime on Steam, same as my username here.

-SunsetSpecter

It's definitely why I play Diablo II only with friends in private games, and will do the same with Diablo III once it comes out. There is far too much competition, and believe me, I've been in it myself with World of Warcraft on a progression guild. Granted, it wasn't the best of the best, but there's something to be said about healthy competition when it is still fun, but there were times when it wasn't. And yes, I agree with ya Otaku...too many people worrying about doing the most DPS, damage meters, scoreboards, etc, etc, and what's worse is game companies are fueling that and the customers are eating it up and going crazy with it. It's definitely why having close friends either IRL or online helps so much.

I never played Diablo or WoW games, but sadly i don't have IRL friends to play with, so if i don't want to play alone i must do that online ^^;
But yes, competition would be ok, within some kind of bound, which most of the times doesen't exist <.<

Fun is the crowd, not the game. At least in my experience. Even the most horrible programmed and set up games are fun with the ones you play with.

Indeed is fun to play all together, it just depends on who you play with, i mean, playing with a friend isn't the same thing of playing with a douchebag ^^;

Yeah, that's why I stick with friends list games. Though the entire game scene is kind of blending in together. Probably why I'm coming back to drawing and experimenting with different forms of art...

... Right after I beat this slightly repetitive, but still furry single player game called Solatorobo.

If you are on the xbox, I'm all about just playing for the sake of the game.

One online game I can think of that's still fun, as in without over the top competition, is... Wow. I can't think of a combat-ish multiplayer game.(I'm not counting minecraft/terraria, they are their own thing.) I like BF3, but I'm sure there are the unfun things you described in it. The worst example I can think of of these games are Facebook games. The game shattered galaxy is fun, but it's a little known shooter, and people are rarely on. Also, league of legends actually gets more fun the better you get at it, because it's built around having bad people get better, and jerks stay at the same level. I always get horrible games in it because I'm new, but my brother has a lot of fun with his friends on it. One last thing, the website Hupit helps by getting people into teams, which really improves the fun-ness of shooters and team games.

Facebook games as an example of unfun videogames, not combat ones.

I think I disagree here, at least a little bit. The games that you describe are primarily the competitive ones, and yes, in those there are going to be the kind of people you described. However, there are many other online games that are a lot more light-hearted for the kind of person who wants to have fun without a very 'hardcore' competitive environment. Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, Terraria, Garry's Mod (though that's not exactly a "game" in some eyes). Even some competitive games have servers or groups that don't play competitively. TF2 has multiple servers for different people with different tastes and even Halo, COD, and League of Legends have player bases that don't care at all about who wins and who loses; the trick is finding these player bases.

In short - Keep at it. You'll find some people with your mentality and you can play with them. :3

P.S. - I'm one of them; throw me a game invite on steam once in awhile. We're on each others friend's lists! :D

When I was playing with WoW-BC My party died (tank-healer-2dps) and I needed to bring Keal Sunstrider's Hp down in his last phase (L70 affliction Warlock back then)...took me a lot of kiting-running-flying-doting, but I managed on my own! I didn't got any achievements, not a single score, and the drop wasn't even good from me, but my dead teammates were cheering me for long minutes on, and we had an intense experience, as I was on the brink of life@death and somehow managed to stay on my feet, until the boss was down. I've became a FAD/legend that day, and the people who knew me congratulated for the feat, even if they weren't there to see it.

Another L70 experience was, when I Kite-Dot-killed an elite 72 mob with 300K Hitpoint in Shadowmoon. I even had audience, and protectors, to keep the alliance away from me, while I was running like a chicken from the menace, which was supposed to be brought down by a 4-man group.

Then came the WOTLK expansion, with its achievement, scoreboards and whatnot. I was instant 4K+ at achievement score and I managed to bring it up above 6K simply by soloing...but it killed the game for me. It became a e-dick-competition, and I grew really fast really bored of that. It took me 1 year to enjoy what Wow could offer, and to stop playing it.

I enjoy single player games better. Always didin the past and always will be in the future too!

Oh and non-online but still multiple player games I played and had a ton of fun:
Mortal Kombat Trilogy (psx), Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye (N64), Twisted Metal 2 (psx)
These were some really good games...didn't needed score-tables and rankings at all. Just have fun with your friends.

Yeah like the old SSB games (not the online ones), and i remember to have played lots of "Vigilante 8" on Psx ^^
And sports games i didn't like but my friends back then wanted to play just those so at least there was the company to make it fun ^^;

Vigilante 8 - I always played with the Flying Saucer...But I liked Twisted Metal 2 better. Then again Vigilante 8 looked prettier...Good games

I also had "second offence" of Vigilante 8 ^^

I didn't owned a Psx...my cousin did. I only own an original Nintendo Game Boy.

In general, play multi on consoles and single player on PC for the best.

I play just PC, both single and multi ^^

Aww. i shall try and have as much possible team time fun with ya as i can. but sometimes, luck is against me or people want me somewhere

That's why I have emulators and doms to play all the old snes and playstation games! Play those more than most of the new games.

My PS2 still works X3X3X3

awsome ^^ so does mine!

I know that feeling well... seems most console games are getting that way too. The moment competition takes precident over fun the pattern starts to form. Probably the most agregious examples I can think of are:
1) the COD/battlefield/halo breed of multiplayer shooters, wjhere I have had litterally zero fun when trying them out, and yet people gobble them up to participate in the same match over and over again.
and 2) the average MMO experience: where in you grind the same thing over and over again for several hours at a time. There was actually a walkthrough I saw once for World of Warcraft which recomended you finish a repeatable quest "at least 1000 times" to get something.

Basically, every massive online game ^^;

I certainly don't play games for too long if they aren't fun. They just become a chore and stressful, so then what's the point of 'playing' at that point?

It depends, Spiral knights for example is kinda repetitive as game but despite that is fun, especially to play with friends, even because sometimes we just meet in the town square to mess around instead of kick monster asses, so there is a "social" element that makes it worth to be played even when you have seen it all.

Agreed. But I'm the opposite. I have fun losing, I love being the underdog, watching folks around me be the best they can. I find people getting furious and angry and sweary over games to be hilarious. I remember one time I was playing tf2 and some kid threatened to get his grandmother over the mic. Poor kid actually did it too.
One of the best things I ever learned about gaming I learned from KC Green

"quit gettin mad at video games"

I realized that losing didn't matter
Or winning
Just have fun in the moment

In my experience, what you said is only half the problem. The other half is this "online games r srs busnss" mentality. Kind of reminds me of how in Counter Strike Source, you can't do whatever you want anymore. You do whatever you want, like wander off or pull some jokes, you're up for getting kicked. Keep doing it, you're up for bannation. After an argument, the admins told me to "go to another server," and I retorted "but the other servers are all just as anal retentive as you are." Team Fortress 2 is starting to get like that now. It's pretty piss poor.

So, instead of playing the game to my liking, or my friends for that matter, I have to play by "their rules."

Well lad, if you want to play an FPS, join me on TF2. That is, if oyu don't mind playing with a grouchy old pirate who's mic doesn't work half the itme. Or hell, join me in portal 2. I'll throw you to your death giggling all the way. XD