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eh, no point going around, and what are journals for, if not to express our thoughts :v
I've been feeling like this for months now, but as of recently it's been bugging at me quite a lot, just would like to hear some feedback
I started on art for my own reasons, those who know me already are familiar with what brougth me in, that little desire to tell stories, to make others happy and an apreciation for the natural body, yet, since the begining of my short career as an un-certified artist, I have always had a fondness for the anthropomorphic, wich started on ranma-ish catgirls and ended up in kemono, around the time I started drawing
and I remember well, how one of the first critiques I got was 'never draw anything you would not like your family to see'
with a few exceptions (namely the yiff fest, but that's okay because it was a self challenge), I would like to say that I have kept on this track, almost every image in here except for those six have been seen by my mother or any of my siblings and I can say it hasn't been much uncomfortable, it's natural
the comic I have worked so hard on drawing has had it's progress slowed down because of the increasing art blocks but rest assured it will continue
my art continues, and I have been drawing quite a bit, but I just haven't been comfortable posting it, something's just not feeling right, admitedly, I don't think I feel very comfortable on the furry artistic comunity
every time I get to my list of new submissions I seem to run across the same, people with lots of talent, with attention to detail and such a beautiful style, artists that begin and show awesome talent for their age, innovative artists with concepts never seen before, and what do they get? little to no recognition, ignored, with just a couple of empty 'cute' comments
ohhh but no, if someone even dares drawing a Krystal, Rogue, Renamon or any other well known and liked character, suddently fans are crawling over to them, and while I know of persons who draw those because they truly do like the characters, I've noticed several artists just draw popular characters to draw attention to them
same with porn, admitedly I haven't had the problem myself mainly for lack of exposure, but it annoys me to read comments on drawings that depict tasteful or otherwise nonsexual nudity spamming with 'you should draw her sexing X or Y' or 'draw her boobies/cock larger!' and in general, comments that go right down to just 'HOT' 'SEXY!' urgh
to each their own, some gain satisfaction knowing their watchers are left with palms sweatty with arousal, but I'm left saddened seeing that the apreciation for the actual art is... really next to non existant on places like this
pick any example, beautifully done PG13 paintings wich I know can take HOURS, acrylics, oils, digital painting will have just a couple 'cute' omments tagged to them, but if someone pulls a baddly drawn krystal getting raped, the comment inbox is full, and these days the little 'zoom in frame' is becoming so stupidly overused, it's seriously degrading, or at least to me it is
to me a picture can be sensual and erotic just by doing the right poses, and that takes inspiration, hard work and patience, it's just a little frustrating seeing how the zoom in frame is being over abused so that a few perverts can furiously masturbate at it, it's somewhat something I can forgive from artists that have the talent to pull it off nice, with them I don't complain (but still find it unatractive) but it's just pathetic to see begginer artists abuse it for the sake of becoming popular
seriously people ;_; learn to draw proper anatomy, learn how the muscles work and learn to do dynamic poses before you abuse of shortcuts like that
and there are othe resources, nothing is sexier than the right glance, than a sugestive pose or the curving of a back in the heat of passion, but it seems more and more those who take the artistic/tasteful path keep getting ignored
I guess I'm just dissapointed, and for a long time i was dissapointed with myself thinking something was wrong with my style
I'm tired of breaking my back trying to improve, tired of experimenting new and diferent coloring methods, from various tablets to expensive color pencils to copics, and all of it just for the love of art, yet in the end, all I get is a 'HOT'
of course my friends always support me, and I can count on them to give me proper critic and comment, but I feel as if I have failed in reaching others with my art
and yeah yeah, I know, 'this is not a popularity contest' and 'it's not about the comments'
but hell, comments make artists happy and fuel the desire to go at it and seriously I just grew tired, and I really don't feel like going out of my way to start drawing popular characters/pokemon/characters from famous artists just to earn cheap comments
but after thinking it over, I really haven't failed, I am happy with what I draw, I know I am improving and it makes me feel happy, I would not want it being otherwise
I guess I am just a bit burned out of the artistic furry comunity as it is, more and more I groan as I browse the recent submissions on my watch list, I just don't have the drive to reach the bottom of the page, this is why I haven't really been doing much commenting as of late, every day I spend less on FA/DA as a whole, some days just outright ignoring them
so, in short, no, I haven't stopped drawing, no, I won't 'leave the inernets' and no, I am not becoming an hero, but for the sake of my own sanity I've keeping myself away from posting any more art online, it just doesn't feels right
more and more posting art here or at DA brougth me more dissapointment than the sense of acomplishment, and I won't change my way of drawing just to conform to the masses, if anything, I'll try and keep working harder on the comic and that's about it, the pending trades/commissions that I have here I'll deal with them privately and I think that's the end of it, so yeah, nothing changes, I'll go back to being inactive, but I just felt like it was a good moment to explain it all
I know I'll end up posting stuff here sooner or later, but before that, I need some time drawing for myself again, trying to please masses and to adapt my style to 'fit in' was frustrating, from now on I'll return to the bases and try to find my motivation again and specially, to regain confidence
I'll keep the gallery as is for the prupouse of now and then participating on contests or what not and of course to keep an eye on my friends' submissions, but I will definetly be trimming down my watch list
TL;DR:
1. BAWWWW
2. attention whore
3. sick of porn without emotion
4. sick of people drawing porn without knowing how to draw properly @.@
5. saddened at the general lack of originality
6. saddened at the average furry fan that is satisfied just with huge boobs/dicks
7. needing some time with my own art and keep it away from outside influences to rediscover what -I- want to accomplish with my own art
I've been feeling like this for months now, but as of recently it's been bugging at me quite a lot, just would like to hear some feedback
I started on art for my own reasons, those who know me already are familiar with what brougth me in, that little desire to tell stories, to make others happy and an apreciation for the natural body, yet, since the begining of my short career as an un-certified artist, I have always had a fondness for the anthropomorphic, wich started on ranma-ish catgirls and ended up in kemono, around the time I started drawing
and I remember well, how one of the first critiques I got was 'never draw anything you would not like your family to see'
with a few exceptions (namely the yiff fest, but that's okay because it was a self challenge), I would like to say that I have kept on this track, almost every image in here except for those six have been seen by my mother or any of my siblings and I can say it hasn't been much uncomfortable, it's natural
the comic I have worked so hard on drawing has had it's progress slowed down because of the increasing art blocks but rest assured it will continue
my art continues, and I have been drawing quite a bit, but I just haven't been comfortable posting it, something's just not feeling right, admitedly, I don't think I feel very comfortable on the furry artistic comunity
every time I get to my list of new submissions I seem to run across the same, people with lots of talent, with attention to detail and such a beautiful style, artists that begin and show awesome talent for their age, innovative artists with concepts never seen before, and what do they get? little to no recognition, ignored, with just a couple of empty 'cute' comments
ohhh but no, if someone even dares drawing a Krystal, Rogue, Renamon or any other well known and liked character, suddently fans are crawling over to them, and while I know of persons who draw those because they truly do like the characters, I've noticed several artists just draw popular characters to draw attention to them
same with porn, admitedly I haven't had the problem myself mainly for lack of exposure, but it annoys me to read comments on drawings that depict tasteful or otherwise nonsexual nudity spamming with 'you should draw her sexing X or Y' or 'draw her boobies/cock larger!' and in general, comments that go right down to just 'HOT' 'SEXY!' urgh
to each their own, some gain satisfaction knowing their watchers are left with palms sweatty with arousal, but I'm left saddened seeing that the apreciation for the actual art is... really next to non existant on places like this
pick any example, beautifully done PG13 paintings wich I know can take HOURS, acrylics, oils, digital painting will have just a couple 'cute' omments tagged to them, but if someone pulls a baddly drawn krystal getting raped, the comment inbox is full, and these days the little 'zoom in frame' is becoming so stupidly overused, it's seriously degrading, or at least to me it is
to me a picture can be sensual and erotic just by doing the right poses, and that takes inspiration, hard work and patience, it's just a little frustrating seeing how the zoom in frame is being over abused so that a few perverts can furiously masturbate at it, it's somewhat something I can forgive from artists that have the talent to pull it off nice, with them I don't complain (but still find it unatractive) but it's just pathetic to see begginer artists abuse it for the sake of becoming popular
seriously people ;_; learn to draw proper anatomy, learn how the muscles work and learn to do dynamic poses before you abuse of shortcuts like that
and there are othe resources, nothing is sexier than the right glance, than a sugestive pose or the curving of a back in the heat of passion, but it seems more and more those who take the artistic/tasteful path keep getting ignored
I guess I'm just dissapointed, and for a long time i was dissapointed with myself thinking something was wrong with my style
I'm tired of breaking my back trying to improve, tired of experimenting new and diferent coloring methods, from various tablets to expensive color pencils to copics, and all of it just for the love of art, yet in the end, all I get is a 'HOT'
of course my friends always support me, and I can count on them to give me proper critic and comment, but I feel as if I have failed in reaching others with my art
and yeah yeah, I know, 'this is not a popularity contest' and 'it's not about the comments'
but hell, comments make artists happy and fuel the desire to go at it and seriously I just grew tired, and I really don't feel like going out of my way to start drawing popular characters/pokemon/characters from famous artists just to earn cheap comments
but after thinking it over, I really haven't failed, I am happy with what I draw, I know I am improving and it makes me feel happy, I would not want it being otherwise
I guess I am just a bit burned out of the artistic furry comunity as it is, more and more I groan as I browse the recent submissions on my watch list, I just don't have the drive to reach the bottom of the page, this is why I haven't really been doing much commenting as of late, every day I spend less on FA/DA as a whole, some days just outright ignoring them
so, in short, no, I haven't stopped drawing, no, I won't 'leave the inernets' and no, I am not becoming an hero, but for the sake of my own sanity I've keeping myself away from posting any more art online, it just doesn't feels right
more and more posting art here or at DA brougth me more dissapointment than the sense of acomplishment, and I won't change my way of drawing just to conform to the masses, if anything, I'll try and keep working harder on the comic and that's about it, the pending trades/commissions that I have here I'll deal with them privately and I think that's the end of it, so yeah, nothing changes, I'll go back to being inactive, but I just felt like it was a good moment to explain it all
I know I'll end up posting stuff here sooner or later, but before that, I need some time drawing for myself again, trying to please masses and to adapt my style to 'fit in' was frustrating, from now on I'll return to the bases and try to find my motivation again and specially, to regain confidence
I'll keep the gallery as is for the prupouse of now and then participating on contests or what not and of course to keep an eye on my friends' submissions, but I will definetly be trimming down my watch list
TL;DR:
1. BAWWWW
2. attention whore
3. sick of porn without emotion
4. sick of people drawing porn without knowing how to draw properly @.@
5. saddened at the general lack of originality
6. saddened at the average furry fan that is satisfied just with huge boobs/dicks
7. needing some time with my own art and keep it away from outside influences to rediscover what -I- want to accomplish with my own art
Haha, this is one of the reasons why I keep telling people porn in itself has little to no artistic merit.
Look at the comments people get, its empty.
I am one who believes after my 2 1/2 years of thinking it out that it is to express oneself and porn really can worsen oneself from some of the artists I watch carefully. They get that reinforcement to do it and misguided by their fans.
Positive emotions and stuff, yes we all like those feelings floating around us, but we must ask ourselves if they really are those kinds of emotions.
It feels everyone is so similar here... I'm not sure if I like it very much.
no seriously, I do remember the early talks we had and now I am all '...damn that's right' lol
what you say is true and well, I guess I had to realize it on my own the hard way, and that's why I'm going to give myself some time away from the 'artistic comunity' to draw what I -enjoy- and see what comes out of that
but my biggest bet is that there shall be no porn <.< already a bit sick of it
I metaphorically put it in a way I would understand. XD
The people are shopping. You show them something new and original. But the people fear it for never trying it out. The people just look and walks on (The Views) Then you get little to actually try it out and they like or dislike (The comments). And if they liked it, They'll buy it. (The Faves). But other wise, thats it. You put so much time and effort (Specially for traditional artists) on your work be it porn or not. Something of your creation. And the people shrug it off cause it's something they're not familiar with (THE ART THAT EXISTS FROM POPULAR SOURCES).
In the end. If your will is weak (Like mine) You'll subject to their ways and do...as they would say, "Hop on the bandwagon" Just to get noticed. -n-
I didn't update for a month. Submitting works now won't change a thing.
None of my works didn't increase in views/faves/comments within that month.
Which ticks me off. People WANT you to update with more acting like what you got in the Gallery is nothing but Trash. YET you want to clean house and they're against it?
Thats my tiff about it. I live in situations when drawing is a bad thing. It unmotivates me knowing so. It happens daily. So I have to suck it up and sit here working on this pic for a good 2-4 hours Submit it. And by the end of the week it doesn't make up as far as you wanted it to. It makes ya think you need some improvement or something? But you wouldn't know what that is hence all the commenters will only say "Nice" "Cute" "Sexy" Oooo blah blah blah.
I'm done I'm rambling on. -.-
I've kept my mind on this thought ever since I joined FA.
Because of my living situations 78% of the time. I hate to draw, whether it be porn or not. Fanmade or Original idea.
I actually am a rare case of a Krystal fan. I have my personal, albeit strange reasons for liking her.
It's not fair and there's plenty to leave you unsatisfied. 8D I think the best thing to do is actually kinda like your first comment. Except, more like stay close with those that don't... okay no, it's not like that. I'd just say to keep close to those that think like this and actually show it so that you get more of their influence then the whole community. Cause really, I've never been happy with whole communities either. I don't have much of an answer really... but it's feedback, right? 8D
Like they say, if you aren't outraged you aren't paying attention. :3
I've seen your plight repeated many times before by many others, the furry community is the worst when it comes to art, they want porn and they want it mass produced and now. I really wish I could get more feed back on my work than I do, heck whenever a work of mine reaches 10+ faves I call it very popular and there are artists who can get that in a matter of minutes.
Also I think comments is the most difficult thing a person can do, a fav is just click and done but with a comment you have to actually think down in order to put in words so that's why you get the one line replies.
I draw porn myself because I want to and because it fulfill my needs and desires and because I want to make the people that I know happy, if other people notice it, it is a bonus; I've given up on the popularity race a long time ago and nothing that I do ever worked so I'll just focus on my self improvement by poking others to look at my art :)
I have no following but maybe it is for the best... some fans are just downright creepy and I don't know how to cope with all the attention (I like to give and bother people myself) :P
The more you distance yourself the more unhappy you will be.
If you ever need any help with anything feel free to throw me an IM!
~ML
thanks for the support and :v...
wow, well uhm, yeah! I left DA myself like a year ago because it was pointless, seemingly now being driven away from here
(I ... don't quite remember you :v... memory sucks lol)
I'll miss getting your pics in my inbox, but you gotta do what you gotta do, seriously. I can't blame you for how you feel. I feel that way all the time! People leave me those empty "cute" comments all the time. ^^;;; I tried getting used to them but it's very difficult.
*hugs* I love you much. I hope things get better soon and I really want you to do what you like and get back to us soon~ *hugs tight again*
It is a tough struggle, I suppose. I remember breaking my back over the anatomy on one picture which got almost no attention while my most faved pic took about 15 minutes, and consisted of a small dog sitting in a puddle of its own urine. >,>;;
On of the thing I've noticed this year it that I'm not an artist. I'm someone who draws. I like to draw fanart, but why not be different? Why not draw fanart with a life and a soul? The point of art is to make people feel something, not just to vaguely amuse them for a short time, and certainly not to whore up faves and comments for the sake of being popular.
Tcch. And it's true what you say about Krystal, Renamon, and Rouge. It's gotten to the point where I'm sick of seeing them. All the time in these sexualized poses but no really mundane but interesting ones. Like, Renamon shopping, Krystal calmly drinking a soda, Rouge just sitting down bored. Juse seeing any of them with clothes on is kind of rare. >,>;
I also feel bad when I don't give as much comments as I want to, but at least I put some though into them.
Also, it seems like some people from DA/FA are starting their own website as DA/FA/etc is getting worse and worse. Heck, I've been thinking of starting my own website in the future so I wouldn't have to deal with stuff that happens on sites like these. As of right now, I'm just updating my LJ in little "art posts" where I would upload pictures there first before uploading them on DA/FA, they also include doodles that wouldn't "fit" into my galleries here.
In the long run, good luck with that path; I hope we can still talk on MSN though. :3
I guess I can't blame people though. When I comment on internet pieces I don't critic since I'm not sure honestly how many people want an actual critic. I usually try to point out what I like at least versus using bland non-descriptive words, but the only interest I really have in DA and FA is seeing what other artists are doing. I'm sure there are some good art communities hidden away out their were you can get real input on your art, but I haven't found them yet.
...But anyways! I'm enjoying your gallery, and glad for the watch. =) Stop by my gallery when you get the feel for it, hey? ^^ Catch you again.
I've never quite understood what it is about porn that makes the context irrelevant. No matter how well the boobs are drawn, at some point, people really should be getting tired of the same old thing. But, hormones appear to keep that from happening. It's easy to get people to favorite porn. It is a market driven by impulse, after all.
My philosophy is that flat-out porn is an easy fav, and easy favs don't really mean that much. Yes, people might fav a drawing, but then, these are the people who favorite 30 drawings a day. It's still just a drop in the bucket. I consider the quality of a fav.
I guess I'm just dissapointed, and for a long time i was dissapointed with myself thinking something was wrong with my style
In general, market analysis is a depressing thing. I've always felt that my future is in GUI design, so instead of programming how computers process information, I'd specialize in how people interact with information. It deeply saddens me to see projects get massive amounts of attention because they are full of fancy graphics, while there are other awesome projects that are led by people who have no concept of proper interactive design. While well-designed stuff doesn't sell, and truly talented programmers screw themselves by not even recognizing the limitations of their projects, other applications that are filled with fluff sell like crazy. How on earth do you break into a market like that? It just gets on my nerves.
It all boils down to what you want form your art. If you're looking for personal satisfaction, then just draw what you want. If you want to be popular, you don't have to sell out, but you do have to compromise. Just ask yourself if the popularity you'd receive is the kind of popularity you really want.
But you've got some points. Your uploads will be missed, and whenever you get to where you feel you can PWN everyone with your skillz, come back and show me~
Still have bad anatomy on them, but that's more inexperience than bad artistry... >_>
I totally agree that most people sexualize the fandom, instead of just enjoying the art... and that's why people who see anthro art automatically think that artist is a porn artist... but the only way to change that idea is for us artists to get popular without drawing porn. *shrug*
I'm working on it...