I would say your best reference would by to find some stuff by the guy who drew Shayla the Pink Mouse. Can't remember his name. Shane something, I think...

Ah yes! I remember him! Miss the series.

I'd say like, a snap thing that goes around the base of the tail, like, attached to the topside of the back of the pants underneath where the belt would wrap around.

Cool, thanks. I'm just wondering what would have to be done with the belt as well. Hrmmmmm....

Well, when the belt is loosened for the pants to fall, it should slide effortlessly over the tail.

I think in this specific case it wouldn't work, though. Think biiiiiig, fluffy raccoon tail, and the pants gotta come off in a hurry....almost as if the belt needs some sort of quick-release so he can get a quick-release. ^_^

I think I have to design something, come up with a two-piece belt.

(And again, thank you so much for your input, thank you thank you!)

perhaps have the belt get snagged on the tail the tail de- belts the pants

Your idea for the buckle-ish type thing sounds good

*nods* Thank you.....it looks like I might need to make up my own design or somethin.

I don't ahve any links, but what I've seen is basiclly like a buttoned up piece of the fabric that would hook over the tail, thus allowing it to be held up by the pants.


Yay I did find an example.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/430795/

And one more http://www.furaffinity.net/view/66356/

Oh my god, thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I'm just still wondering about the belt, though....would it basically be two segments that attach together in the front and the back? Hrmmmmmm.....

A rear buttonfly would pretty much solve the problem. 'Cept it might be hard to button up your ass. o.O

Hahha...true...but thank you!

Well I'd always thought as a hole in the back with a button. So when you put on your pants the button in the back is unbuttoned, you put the tail through the hole and then button right over it.

*nods* Cool, thanks. I'm just wondering what would have to be done with the belt as well. Hrmmmmm....

You can take it further by adding a button flap. You have a flap that can cover up the hole and be buttoned down like a back pocket. So after tail goes through you button it down to keep warmer.

I always thought it'd just be a very big hole they'd have to slip it through, haha. Good question though, I imagine a button over the top would be the most practical thing. That or maybe a tie-off. I dunno.

Yah, I'm just wondering what would be done about a belt. Would it be a belt that was in two segments that would all attach together, or?...... Hrmmmm.....

Well, hm, if they put the tail through first (or button it up) then the belt would go on after...though for what you're wanting...I guess it wouldn't be prudent to have the belt off the pants too...hah...hmhmhmm...I guess..though, if the belt is loosened, and the snap or tie undone, the tail can slip out and the belt still be...like, looped through the pants...eh?

*nods* But it seems like that's what I'll need to design. I can't think of anyone who has shown that before.

Thanks for the mental stimulation. ^_^

Have you considered just using suspenders instead of a belt?

A two piece belt - normal fastener on front, and just a easy to clip together snap at the reer you could do with your arms behind your back.

*nods* That's what I'm thinking...I'm wondering if anyone has drawn that before?

Well, it's possible in another piece that has more less specific of a character design, but this one is kind of set in it's course. But suspenders is something to keep in mind. Thank yo!

Jay Naylor did a good one in my opinion: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/565118/

Very cool. Thank you so much. I'm just wondering now what to do about the belt....I'm thinking I'll have to be in two segments or something. An official buckle in the front, and some sort of faux buckle in the back for quick unsnapping?

Hmm, that might work. Probably a simpler buckling mechanism so they can work it without needing eyes in the back of their heads (though some species might be able to crane their neck around :p )

Furry is the variety of the spice of life! ^_^

Crap you beat me to it x.x

*browses through insanely huge porn archive to find that single reference pic for you!*

Apart from the usual buckle idea, I remember Scout used to have his characters' pants have a 'tail sleeve'.

I always found that idea very down-to-earth.

here some ideas:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/.....athouseus1.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...../dragonkl9.gif
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/.....sbumclryq5.jpg

Awwwwww..thank you Greex. *saves saves saves*

I really appreciate you looking.

*giggles* and if not for the tail sleeves, then for the nice bums ^^

I was trying to figure out how to describe this, because I used to have a belt with a buckle like this....luckily, I found a picture. They're very easy to fasten and unfasten...but they do not easily come apart on their own. It's the gold-ish looking one one the bottom right. The inter-locking rings.


http://www.umei.com/buckles/2pcs/2c.....t-buckle-8.JPG

AHHHHH! Oh man, thank you! *hugs!*

Most deliciously welcome, gorgeous. As always.

I have seen the 'hole' lot of those. (pun definitely intended)

I have always thought that furs would have simply adopted the habit of having the belt come under the tail. Something like some of the 'low rider' pants popular now instead of hassle with all the snaps and such.

*giggles*

Well, that is a possibility, and I'm sure there would be groups would do that purposely, but I would think that when you go to sit down...ack.

And thank you so much, btw, for your thoughts, too.

i would say the snap or button in back is good. depending on the pants, the "belt" may be attached on the pants at the sides and then fed thru the belt loops for a belt look, thet waty the hole in the back with a button is there in the back, but you still get a belt look and function in the front.

Oooooh....Attached TO the pants. Hrmmmm..hrmmmm....*pondering* Egad Straker, you're brilliant! Narf!

just wish i had typed that more coherently XD *narfs you* ;)

why would they need pants if they have fur?

HA!!!!!! Like I said, it's a conundrum! *giggling* Ahhhh

The eternal question XD

I do a hole below the belt line. Sometimes with the strap/piece of fabric with a snap: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/533930/ above it. A buckle would be too hard to take off but snaps are easy to manipulate so you could unfasten the tail loop without much trouble/having to see it.

Very cool concept! *saves the pic*

Hmmm, i'm surprised really, with the amount of porn that goes on in the furry world, that this isn't something that's been worked out thoroughly already. Because like damn... pants are going down like the value of the Zimbabwe dollar around here!
I think a clip would definitely be the best bet. And i suspect it'd probably be built into the back of the pants, rather than on the belt... but maybe not?
You could have two rear beltloops right on each edge of this tail-hole (and so without the belt it would be open above the tail) And on the belt could be a clip back there - think one of those ones with the three prongs that snap into a female-ended piece, those hold fast, and are easy to undo when needed. So that way when the belt was worn it would hold the pants tight back there.
There could be pants designed this way for use with belts, and then pants designed with clips of their own for more casual wear (because not everyone wears belts, i know i rarely do.)
As long as the pants fit well it would be comfortable i think.
Definitely more comfortable than having the waistline and/or belt going under the tail... I use that sometimes for underwear, but pants? No.

Greex posted images above, and none of them solve this problem. In fact, i think it would probably be difficult to put on and remove those garments, since it would require some major tail-bending or uncomfortable awkwardness slipping the end of your tail through the hole while the garment was still around your feet - like a third leg (or majorly stretchy fabric) There must be better ways. This is definitely something we need to develop!

Anyhow, i love designing clothes for anthro bodies... it really excites me. Now if only that was a marketable interest, eh? :P
Come on you genetics people, create us some anthros!

Hrmmmmmmmm....VERY COOL idea! Very interesting.

*LOL at the last paragraph*

This? http://www.furaffinity.net/view/31741/

Heh, Ya beat me. :P
I was gonna suggest that one (since i'm the guy with the wolf ;P )

Well you still get a cookie. <- pretend that's a cookie. *^_^*

BTW.....nice NICE pic. Gah, I'm entranced.

Oh my......wow.....*gulps quite audibly*

Damn...that's.....wonderfully distracting. Thanks for the link

http://www.furstreet.com/complicati.....ic/page14b.htm

This is a page from a comic by compilation_5, and it's the most plausible concept for furry pants I've ever seen. There's still a fly in the front, but the main latching mechanism would be in the back, and it's designed around the tail. If furries were to actually wear pants, I think they would most likely look like this.

Very VERY cool! Oh thank you thank you thank you!

Glad I could help! *grins*

Dunno... My guys all seem to wear ultra lowrise pants. But they're all whores and strippers so yeah... *cough* Tail just hangs over the top of the pants or whatever. Works for me.

AHHAHAH! Most amusing there.

But yeah, there's that thought, that the pants just go underneath the tail, but I think that there would be those who would want to wear the tail above the tail-line for so many different reasons....being either modesty or status symbol....basically to be blunt I'm comparing guys who wear khaki pants and dress shirts and call that "casual" versus the homies who wear their pants down at their knees.

Nah, my guys only have their pants around their knees when they're with a client. XD

AHAHAHAHAH....again, most amusing.

I always just figured the pants were pulled down a bit in back (worn below the tail), otherwise just a "V" cut where the tail goes, maybe belt over tail? A normal hole won't work, because getting a tail through it would hurt, and a fastener/button would catch the fur.

Hrmmm....very true...a button could catch the fur....but then again clothing in general could be just an all-around nuisance and problem, and then the discussion of fantasy vs. reality comes again full circle.

I just recently saw this and had to lol.... http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1129584

Hmm...If you really want a quick-release thing, you could always have the belt go down under the tail (with the snapping loop above), but that might not be comfy. The interlocking-rings thing someone mentioned might be the best way to go if you don't mind having the belt actually have a fastener both in the front and the back...

Well, true, but I'm wondering if a belt under the tail would be just as comfortable as having a belt worn under your breasts if you're female, or under your cock if you're male. Argh.....the tail and the waist-line....now I can see why a lot of werewolf movies just omit the tail, though they suck for doing so.

Wouldn't it just be easier if the belt buckled in the back anyway ? SO, perhaps the pants have a part in the back and a zippered part in the front.

I realize this goes against the usual convention of buckling belts in the front, but if clothing like slacks is going to allow for tails, the simplest to use and also the easiest is to just buckle the pants in the back, over the tail.

This in no fashion obviates having a fly in the front with either a zipper or buttons, but is a very practical solution for clothing that suits the customer.

Very well thought and well put. Thank you, Yao_Chi...definitely a concept to hold on to.