Why 21+? I'm just curious, do the admins have privileges related to Irreverent's beer stash? Totally been holding out with the userbase, not cool bro

Ahh. Makes sense, I suppose. Made a frowny face because I'm 20 and been to digital photography classes and am not currently anything besides stay-at-home mom, haha. Good luck on the admin-getting, etc etc |3

I'm 20 and have quite a bit of life experience already, especially in this category. the legal age in Canada for pretty much everything is 19, is there still any chance that i may be accepted?

Wait one year. :B

The site is bound by U.S. laws since it is based there. I say 25 because I do not know many mature 21 year olds. My opinion though

I don't know many mature 25 year olds.

I'm fairly sure people stopped growing up in their teens and fake it ever since.

Inside we never grow up lol

I am over 25. As mature as I am going to get although I will never show it here on FA. When it comes to working and business older is always better when hiring. Learned that from experience. Most of my crew are twice my age.

I'm not so sure about that, if people are young (20's) they're more likely to learn rather than old geezas (40-60) who are stuck in their ways.. I've seen it ALOT in the place where I work that the older you get the less willing you are to do it the "companies way" which IMO is a reason NOT to hire from the older generations.

What does the law have to do with it in this case? The only laws I've seen people cite here, US or otherwise, cite a legal age of 18, not 21. The whole problem with 21 is that it's arbitrary, not legally-demanded.

State by state thing then. Here you are a minor till 21 since Casino's are here. Some places will not hire individuals under 25 for insurance purposes.

So? This isn't about hiring someone. It's a volunteer position. The entire thing people have been getting at is that there's no legal reason to require someone who's 21 in this case.

Well you do not want some kid with admin control. Second someone rubs them wrong they will ban them. Maturity goes a long way and it is the site owner's right, under uncountable laws, to set standards for employment he or she sees fit.

I ma working on my MBA we are forced to study this stuff

Right, certainly. But unless they want to be really draconian, we also have the freedom to give feedback if we think a decision is unsuitable. And beyond the legal issues (and while a photography admin shouldn't encounter naughty stuff, that doesn't mean some people won't break the rules and put it there, so 18+ is sensible on that grounds even if there's not some other requirement for it, which I don't know), honestly, no single age is a magical number under which people are childish and over which everyone is mature. I've known people who at 16 were far more mature and suited to positions of authority than others twice their age.

Combined with the demand for a native English speaker (which is entirely arbitrary - fluency in the language is a sane requirement, the person having learned English first is a horrible attempt at a shorthand for that), and it does somewhat feel like they're placing restrictions on it without giving any consideration to the possible exceptions.

Yes, age may tend to bring maturity (believe me, I've seen what happens when a kid has too much authority, especially one who's been told they're gifted and has had it go to their head), but there's plenty of exceptions on both sides of it. There's more to being a kid than having been born in a relatively recent year. Some people are precocious and grow out of kid attitudes early. Some people never do, and those people are all too likely to congregate on the Internet where they can be relatively immune from the consequences of juvenile social behavior.

Would you please consider retroactively applying this rule to the current FA Admin staff and they can return after they have acquired their own life/user experience as well?

It would make the site much better and I would much appreciate it :)

I may have chuckled a bit at this.

+1

+2
xD

+9000!!!!!!

jk +3

**chuckles**

Prejudices are never good..

That is absolutely not prejudice. FurAffinity is based in the US so they must abide by the laws of the United States, which last time I checked, it's illegal to give an administrative position to one who isn't even old enough to drink.
Even at 17 you need a school, parent or guardian signed work form to be able to get a job legally in most states.

That may be true, however, unless the admin position here is paid, this is not a job. I do figure that you have to be 18 in order to manage certain contents here, but I dont understand the point of the 21 limit.
Apart from that, I was mainly focussing on the part about the mentioned experience - and it IS a prejudice to say somebody younger than 21 can not have the same experience with community managing as somebody being 21 or older. Thats something you have to individually check, as much as you generally have to check for your impression of somebody wether you find that person should fill a position or not. Thats not a question of age. Age and experience are not essentially linked. And I can tell you, I'm being on the internet in communities since more than 12 years and I was born in late '93. I got my first administrative position in 2002, without people knowing my age, and they said I was doing a good job. So what?

Judging from the vast breadths of solid artistic photography in your gallery I think your point is valid and we should consider you for adminship.

Oh wait you have no photography in your gallery, whups I retract my statement and wonder why this is a sticking point for you.

Besides from the fact that I don't even have the slightest interest in a position in the FA staff, I don't quite get your point about the photography.
My point was, that I dont find you can judge people universally by their age in terms of e.g. administrating experience or abilities, it is as simple as that.

Uh, dude... You're saying you got your first administrative position when you were NINE years old. May want to check your math before you concoct a lie.

I dont have to check my math because thats how it was. Deal with it..

Unless you're talking about running your own lemonade stand, you're just plain lying, man. And that removes all credibility for anything else you have to say.

Interesting how you have to assume somebody is lying when some facts dont fit in your views. I had taken an administrative position in a gaming community back then, I was administrating it until 2009, then it slowly died, because the owner was a dickhead. Apart from that, the core users from that forums are now good friends of mine, we're still talking about those times from time to time and still nobody complained about my administration back then. It's the exact opposite, actually. That first community I administrated back then opened some new doors for me, which is why I am administrating the largest english community for that game today. I won't give any details here because I don't feel comfortable with linking the rest of my life with FA, but you might just think about these things. I know that this might be hard to imagine, but exactly that was one reason why I never talked about my age to other people then. We can have some more detailed talk about this, if you wish to, note me.

Are you just typing to read your own words?

Why are you even bringing this up?

Simple. Because I dont like to be called a liar. Why do you even bother?

Ever string a cat along with a laser pointer? It's great.

yer arguing with an FA dragon. need i say anything more abuot that there bud? ^^"

It's kind of adorable really

Sarcastic or not I agree with the other two replies to this, and on top of that, the reason the law was passed was because they believed people 21 or older have reached the essential level of maturity and life experience, and who the fuck wants to screen a 12 year old for an administrative position because he might be mature enough?






Let me just say this. Companies have been hiring people at least 18 or 21+ for years and years, over thousands and billions of companies. If you're so much fuckin smarter and have figured out some amazing new way to hire people, why do you think those thousands of companies haven't figured it the fuck out already?

The FA team is not a company, this is not a job vacancy.

That doesn't mean they aren't applying the same rules.

Got an administrative position in 2002? Born in '93? Doubtful but hey - sometimes you meet those odd few people that are decent human beings without realizing.

Doesn't matter. Site content is 18+ and they want admins who are a tad older and can be considered as having "more life/user experience". Just 'cause you might happen to be the exception that can put most 20+ year olds to shame in terms of maturity and whatnot, it doesn't mean you're gonna give the group a great image. You and your closest 2, 20, etc. friends might just know who you are, what you're about and what you can do. Doesn't mean the rest of the population would think the same way - unless you're some big person with a household name.

Your reaction is one of several reasons they're probably looking to take on 21+ year olds. They tend to start getting 'wiser' about the world.

Where on earth did you come up with that? It's not a paid position, and they're not doing it because of legal reasons.

You might re-read my comment and find out that I didnt say it was a paid job. The word "unless" makes the difference. Also, again, I was talking about the "experience" part. Not legal issues because thats not my business.

You may want to reread the comment thread. I was talking to SGredalert, not you.

in texas, i got my first job at 15 without any say from my parents.

Drinking game for this thread starts here.

If you're over 21 take a drink every time somebody complains about not being 21.

If you're under 21 you are not allowed to play this game, go play Xbox kid.

PS: Do not play this game until you are ready to die

Fuck you, I'm Canadian... AND 21 :D I can play this game every bitches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XNtTEibFvlQ#t=34s

Word

If I wasnt in a dorm room... I would be all for this game. I think i would be plastered by now haha

And now dozens of furs will die from alcohol poisoning!

i own my own business at 18 >.>

Is there any reason then why there are 'regular' admins allowed who are under 21?

i can't see the coment

damn...im not a photographer.

Whoa! This is Huge!! Everyone's like waiting for this moment.

i imagine that they'll select someone that goes "this isnt artistic at all! you disgust me with your low-class camera commoner! *deletes your post*"

I think your wrong there o.o. I mean they seem to have an effective screening process. I think they would more than likely choose the best candidate of whom would be able to moderate the photos based on AUP or what have you and also can be good with the users. I dont think they will choose some one who will abuse their powers like that. FA isnt so low as you may think.

Dave Hyena already left

Hah

"* English must be your first language. "

Why? I know quite a few people that does not meet this criteria, yet are far better at English than the average American :I

I think 'must speak fluent English' would be a better rewording - for instance, lots of people in Europe know perfectly fluent English but their first language is technically something else - France, Germany, Sweden, Finland to name a few.

Yeah I was thinking the same... But bad wording is bad :U

Ya... I'm from Germany and I speak english better than German... Just sayin' :3

I can on one hand sort of understand why they wouldn't ask for "fluent"; at least here (Sweden) people tend to think they're fluent when they consistently make concord errors, pick the wrong words for things in "false friends" type situations (ie reasoning like "this English word sounds like this Swedish word so clearly they must mean the same thing!"), and in general can only hold a conversation with English-only-speakers because those speakers are willing to make an effort to understand them.

On the other hand effectively restricting admin positions to people from North America, Britain, Ireland, Australia & New Zealand (yes I know that list isn't complete) doesn't seem to be in the community's best interests. I have lived in the US, have a BA in English, have a top-grade CAE certificate in English, and speak more English than Swedish on a normal day, and while I'm not interested in being Photography Admin (I have taken photography classes and I like photography well enough, but it's far from a passion) and anyway would be disqualified on other grounds, I'm sure there could be other people out there with similar (academic, documented) qualifications.

My main concern is that it's the only requirement for which eligibility can't change over time. People will eventually turn 21, people will eventually finish school, the amount of free time one has to dedicate to the site can change... but you can never change where you were born and what language you grew up speaking. By saying that the "elite" of the site will only ever be people whose mother tongue is English, the site is effectively telling users from non-English-speaking countries that their language skills are automatically inferior and that they are "less" than the American/British/Irish/Aussie/etc members.

Sure, be strict about language skills. They're important; most of the work is done via text. But be strict for all applicants and don't automatically disqualify people who work with the language because the first language they were taught isn't the same as yours.

That all said, kudos for doing this through reasonable channels for once. That part you deserve credit for.

By saying that the "elite" of the site will only ever be people whose mother tongue is English, the site is effectively telling users from non-English-speaking countries that their language skills are automatically inferior and that they are "less" than the American/British/Irish/Aussie/etc members.
I agree with that.

That's really simple check: Ask to write an essay rather to restrict by first language

And I agree about your thoughts, I got IELTS 7 that allows me to work smoothly among English speakers, and sometimes they don't know that English is my second language (even not having a purrfect English). As an 'universal' site, restrict someone by which language their mother taught is unfair, they are excluding a big lot of amazing people out there.

Since FA is not a law firm, I believe that this level of requirement is exaggerated, I hope they just had a small English issue for saying: Very Good in English

Just lie, if your English is fluent, how can they verify?

Lying to get an admin job.. That would only show How horribly unfit you are to take on the responsibility!
I'm not looking to apply anyway; it just struck me as really odd and unprofessional.

Worked for Yahoo's CEO...

Well, let me ask you this... With how much dislike the general user base of FA already have for the admin team... How do you think it would go over when it is found out that an admin got into the team by being a lying bastard? How little trust do you think people would have left in the team?
And yes, it WILL get out.. Lies like that only last for so long.

Users always hate the admins. That goes back to the first computer systems. I was an admin for a Freenet for 7 years, from 1992 through 1999. We had about 5,000 people on the system...this was pre-Web days when you had to use Telnet! I was not a well-liked individual because at some point you're going to make somebody mad, and they never forget that. It doesn't matter how many things you do right or how often, they never forget that one time they think you crapped on their plate. So whoever they get for the position better have a thick skin, because the very nature of the position means at some point they're going to be despised beyond belief.

That might very well be true, BUT there Is a difference between the hate and admin gets for doing Their job well, and just pissing a few rule breakers and their friends of, and the hate they get for doing their job very poorly.
The first makes very few angry, and smarter people will understand that this is just a case of butt hurt when they hear about it and tell others to clam down.
The latter will make a lot of people angry, including the people who think for them selves and don’t just follow the flow of drama. Leaving no one will tell people to clam down, for they are in their good right to be angry.

There will always be some butt hurt drama queens on any site, but if the admins does their job well enough for long enough the general population of the site will be rather content whit how things is. If they do a poor job, people will leave the site, no matter how good the community is. Especially now that there is plenty of other sites to go to :U

Though I've taken alot of photos of many things. I don't think this'll be good enough.

I'll be 21 in about two weeks. Will this spot be filled before that?

21 is kind of an odd age, wouldn't 18 be more appropriate?

I personally would not trust an 18 yr old with admin status, I wouldn't even trust a 19 yr old IMO
I just don't think they are mature enough and may have a higher chance to go power hungry rather than a 21+ yr old
this is all IMO and not meant to offend anyone. if it does i'm sorry.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:26358579

aww man, I love being a photographer (along with aiming for that career as a Global Freelance Photographer someday) but it looks like 21+ are acceptable.
Well eitherway, good luck on finding that photographer for the site.

Damn, I'm still in school. :/

me too v.v

How many hours a week are you expecting?

What exactly is in the job description.

*?

^this

Oh well, I didnt meet the cut, though I AM skilled in photography, I'm not 21, I'll try again in a few years

dang im 20 i would so apply for this if i could! im having a minor in photography:3

anyone else read this in Professor Farnsworth's voice from Futurama?

Now that you said it... XD

^exactly XD

I'm interested and I definitely meet the requirements as they're stated, but before I spend time giving the application a go through I have a few curiosities.

What exactly would the position entail? Obviously oversight of moderation of submissions, but is there any other specific functions that you'd expect? On that note, would a sizable portion of general admin duties be part of the job or would it be really heavily focused on the photography related side of the site?

Also, I know about photography but I don't actually do a lot of it regularly - mainly because the bulk of my art time has been spent pursuing other fields of effort lately. I'm not a professional by any means but I have studied it a little bit on my own and I know plenty about composition and that sort of thing, in photography and in art in general. Is this fine or are you looking for someone who's main vocation is photography, so to speak?

I'll submit an application anyways I think, but I'm sure some other people might appreciate a bit more detail on this too. Can't hurt.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm perfectly happy to put in time and effort, but I'm not going to sign in my card for time unless I know specifics.

Lol, I wouldn't assume it's auto. However, most jobs at least provide a general description of what the work includes, and I think it would only be fair to be a little more detailed about what the position is really about. Doing so would also make it easier for people to apply, and weed out the people who would not be interested in certain duties, and thus make the process more efficient for all. I'm assuming, however, that it's pretty much about helping with trouble tickets/general questions, but I'm not sure.

*has a sad* Wish you accepted college students though. I do admire that FA is supportive. I have directed some of my friends to the application so I hope you get some good applicants ^^

Perhaps another year or time I could do this, but for now, college awaits. Well at least not until september. It is summer time after all :3

Yeah it can, but thats why I have a good out look, perhaps I can try when it comes up again. Like I said I directed friends over to this journal and stuff.

I hope you get good screening ^^

I will try again some time :)

Most website moderator jobs are srictly a volentary bases. Even the largest internet companies like Google, Twitter, AOL had volenteers moderators/admins. They don't get paid. They may get perks like free services from the sites they work for but that is about it. When these sites are looking for help they generally look to the userbase for help and they tend to pick out the people who tend to help others the most and ask them directly and very rarely ask for people who are seeking to be an moderator/admin.

FA is in need of help I hope you guys can help as the team is swamped with a backlog of trouble tickets. Lots and lots of people need help here. If you like helping users here then fill out an application and maybe you can be on Team FA. I hope FA finds enough helpers to bring this site out of chaos.

I womder when that deletion took place. I know awhile back FA took a stance on off Furry Topic Photography when they had their Server Hard Drive Space reaching capacity before they were able to get a bigger hard drive. I think they had since relaxed those stances since they got new hard drives. If it happend then, then ask for help in the #furaffinity chatroom on Furnet or post on the ask a admin fourm in the FA Fourms here and see if they'll let you upload it again. I think the admins have a way of adding admin notes to your account if permission has been granted.

Cool, thanks for the answer. That was sort of the main thing I was wondering anyways.

This viewpoint is biased.

A great photographer does NOT have to own and use a fancy expensive DSLR to make great photos. The old Pentax 35mm camera I used to use made better shots in my hands than a sizable chunk of what you see out there. Many good photographers simply cannot afford to blow $7,000 on a camera. (Many of which honestly do not take vastly better photos than a good quality large lens non-DSLR camera)

There are three pieces to the great photo puzzle: Camera quality, user skill, and environment. Usually, if there is a deficiency in one department, the others can be boosted to make up for it. :3

I know what you mean |3

By large lens non-DSLR, I mean something like the Kodak Z981 I use. It is not a pocket camera, but is also not a DSLR, as it does not have a mechanical shutter or interchangeable lenses. It does, however, shoot in RAW format and takes amazing photos.

Another viewpoint that I do not understand is when people claim that you can't get a good shot using automatic settings. 99% of my photos are post-processed to make up for whatever errors the camera might have made. That said, if it is clear the auto settings won't make the shot, I will go manual.

I agree. I like to use the camera settings for effects as well, like streaking headlights across the screen with the S (shutter) mode.

I really wish my camera could leave the shutter open for longer--granted the 16 seconds on this model is better than all of my older cameras! I'd love to try my hand at the streaking star movement photos one day!

I have the vibration issue when trains roll by. x3

A fun thing to do with LT is to outline a large object with a laser pointer while the camera is shooting!

That's usually what I do, but sometimes there just isn't enough space on the side of the track...x3

Thanks for the compliment :3

I know what you mean about the crappy images...there is a huge amount of photos on this site that have absolutely no thought put into them. One I see a lot is photos taken before the camera (or the operator) has a chance to properly frame the shot. Very blurry and especially horrible at full size.

I'm fine with folks actually SHOOTING photos like that...just as long as they keep them to themselves. x3

While I am no photographer, I disagree with you there. DSLR does not a professional make. There are some benefits to being able to manually focus, etc. but it is not the end-all be-all of photography. An understanding of how exposure affects the outcome of the photo would be nice, but they are looking for someone who is able to moderate and properly screen out art from non-art. Stating that a "DSLR is required" would be like saying that they were opening for a moderator for traditional media, but if you don't have the 200pack of Copics, you need not apply. I have seen artists make magnificent art with a variety of mediums. Hell, I've seen some folks make more with a BIC mechanical pencil and Crayola crayons than some of the "magnificent" Copic art out there. Mind you, I'm not knocking Prismacolors or Copics but.. point is, not everyone can afford that, and there is more than one way to make art. Understanding the concepts of art like line, colors, etc is far more important in my book than a fancy tool.

... Actually, making your living from photography makes you a professional. Just sayin'.

"In my country" is a significant phrase there.

Aside from that, it is entirely possible to be a professional criminal, if that's how you make your living.

(Besides, enforcing that requirement for an artistic field is utterly daft. It makes sense in technical fields, especially when lives are on the line on a regular basis, but a degree in such things is supposed to be a sign that you have the skill set required to work in the field. If you have all those skills, that's what should really matter, not the fancy piece of paper; having a degree is a convenient shorthand when the stakes are high, but in an artistic field, your portfolio can speak for you at least as well if not better.)

For photography and art? For technical trades, sure, but artistic fields? Required by law? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to trust that that's so widespread on the bare word of it. Useful to convince employers, I can understand, but I certainly don't need an English degree to get paid for writing.

It's most certainly not a legal requirement to have a degree in order to make a living from photography in Iceland, or indeed any other country. I think we're dealing with a special needs type.

Yeah, no, I'm not going to trust what you say without citations.

Was that so hard?

But it still leaves the other point: What does that particular law in a country whose total population is less than that of many world cities have to do with legal issues in "MOST countries" worldwide?

Your tinfoil hat is picking up some strange waves indeed.

Thank you for posting evidence and backing up your point, I stand corrected :)

What Veritas said still holds, though. Just because it's the case in Iceland, doesn't mean it stands elsewhere - in fact, I doubt there's any other democratic nations with such restrictions.

That article has exactly one mention of it being illegal to work as a photographer somewhere without a degree. Restrictions on the subject matter are a completely different issue, and comprise the bulk of that article.

That article is noted as being English-speaking-centric, in fairness, but it's still telling that the overwhelming bulk of it is on what you may take pictures of (for profit or otherwise) and not on who may call themselves photographers and work as such. Certainly other forms of creative expression are, in a number of places (US, Canada, several countries in Europe I've heard such discussions on), not thus limited.

I... what?

I think you're misinformed.

Just adding my input here, my older brother, his girlfriend, and my mother have all put in applications to jobs before they knew exactly all that entails, including hours, wages, etc. just the basic description, and received all the information after the companies considered them for them job (both IRL and my older brother being paid to write for mainstream blogs.)

When is FA going to get custom thumbnails back?

People are losing watchers and holding off on uploading things due to lack of the aforementioned, I note:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3437851/

No offence but from reading that journal that guy has 4000+ watchers, losing 100 isn't nothing.

On April 2nd Dragoneer said FA was going to have the custom thumbnails fixed with the week. May 14th and still nothing.

When people are not uploading things and unwatching other people, due to lack of somethgn that was supposed to be fixed already, that's generally bad for the community of this site.

 orcinus

I was just thinking the same thing...

I assume he already knows?

21+? *sigh* :(

intresting..... i would do it but some admins have not been kind to me sooooo ya sorry

Should be about 41, not 21. A lot of 21 year olds are just as bad, immature, and unexperienced as 11 year olds, and just have daddy's cool camera.
No wonder the admin team is so worthless around here....it's like if your local police force consisted of bunch of 19-year-olds...

second agreed. alot of the furs ive met and seen on FA show immaturity as far as 29

Well this is why a screening process like this is necessary so they can choose someone whose right for the position

Yes, I get that concept. Just saying that a 21-year-age-limit is way, way too low, is all. Then I see all the people under 21 that want the job leaving comments, and it makes me facepalm. People that young have a lust for that power, and want (and will) ban and delete all kinds of people because they don't like a particular photo or subject, because they have no knowledge of photography. Any photograpfurs still left here, should move to DA...this place is only for furry smut now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J0jYKOh2d0

thats a bit of an assumption there :/ ive met my fair share of older people in their 30s and 40s who are far more immature then 21 year olds ive met.

Honestly 21 i think works because generally you are by then working in the real world if not spending time at college or both.

There is a possibility that younger people also want the job in order to be more actively involved in the furry community and help out a site that they visit a lot. Assuming that just because they want the job because they are lusting for power is somewhat immature itself.

I'm under 21, and I know exactly what you mean about the lust for power thing haha.

Also, I agree with you c:

From my understanding it's a volunteer job, no pay, and for aiding the furry community here through photography. I believe you are immature for the reasons mixnmatch and dowski pointed out. I would like to know what made you believe that accepting this volunteer job would allow such control and power to ban people. Age nor the best camera makes a photographer, an eye for art does.

As you say, if you don't like it move to DA. I'll reliterate that you, yourself seem immature and seem to not support FA by stating that users should leave the site and that the Admin team is and I quote "worthless".

This site is about being a community that supports each person belonging to it. You don't seem to have such belief in that concept.

"Age nor the best camera makes a photographer, an eye for art does."

...in which someone of 21 or under does not have. It takes many years of photography experience to develop an "eye" for it. Not just spending several years photographing yourself in the bathroom mirror. I never said anything about it having to do with money.

"This site is about being a community that supports each person belonging to it. You don't seem to have such belief in that concept. "

All I will say about that is..."I'm not the only one." I'm way ahead of you, I'm already gone from here and moved to DA...not by choice, mind you.

/EOD

"...in which someone of 21 or under does not have."

That's analogous to saying that there's no such thing as a musical savant or amazing golfer under the age of 21.

There is no set age limit on talent!

I agree with this.
I've been told a lot of my photographs are great (including many that aren't on here)
And most of them were taken when I was 17/18 >>

That's great! Young talent is always awesome to have. ^^

Nothing is impossible, prodigies do exist, and there's been some damn mature humans under the age of 18 that put some 40-something year olds to shame. Not easy to find in this particular fandom, which is why I don't really care about their age limit, I just hope they pick better than they have in the past. But it does bother me when people totally write off the fact that exceptions to the rule do occasionally exist.

That is a huge assumption, and a rather rude one at that.

You're telling this to a person who ragequit, blocked practically everyone, and denounced FA?
Oh look they're back.

We shall find out then when there's pretty much no photos on FA of anything other than fursuits.

What's with you and this DSLR requirement, you're entirely discounting digital range finder cameras, medium format film cameras, home built cameras, view cameras, film toy cameras, and regular old 35mm cameras. I am sorry but it just does not take digital to do photography, nor does it take the images even being color for it to be considered photography. I personally can't support any push towards digital or GTFO.

It's not that you didn't mention them, you made a point multiple times to say DSLR instead of say SLR which would have encompassed the entire user base of single lens reflex cameras. Moreover range finders are still very popular and take quite a bit more skill to operate as you have to know where an how your shot will be composed, estimate range accurately for focus, know how your DoF will be at given range with given lens and given aperture. But these are only my personal views on photography.

Or when you spend a few dollars and install a split prism focusing screen in your DSLR like i did on my Canon 20D....

I'm not really sure how a third party or OEM supplied, drop-in part constitutes a modification. Especially seeing as the 20D focusing screen even states "The KatzEye™ screen is a direct replacement for the original and no modifications to the camera are required. The installation requires no special tools or skills, but it does require working in tight spaces. If you are not confident in your vision or dexterity, professional installation might be advisable." -http://www.keoptics.com/item--Canon-20D-Focusing-Screen--prod_20D.html

But if you're not comfortable changing focusing screens out that's really your own business.

Please define "more punch" if we are talking going from a larger to smaller sensor that has more pixels... Well physics steps in an says ha ha you get noise, an less dynamic range! however if you're talking of going to a larger imaging sensor you get better range an less noise.

I'm not sure where you get these numbers from since DXO Mark only has data for the Canon EOS 1D Mk II and not the E-M5..... First I don't for one second believe that the E-M5 gets 6400 iso noise free, there are laws of physics that have to apply to these sensors. Secondly your aging 1D Mk II gets an overall score of 67/100. If you were to upgrade to a 5D Mk II you'd get a overall of 79/100, get more dynamic range, and a higher iso performance with the ability to use all your lenses, moreover your 1D has canon sold focusing screens for it, and cheaply.

So really there is no reason not to throw a 20 dollar split prism screen in the thing. I personally would love to have a 1D Mk II which you say isn't very good. For comparisons sake the M5 has the AF system from the E-P3 so lets assume the sensor isn't much different since the site does not have a test of the E-M5 yet. The P3 gets an overall score of 51/100, lets for a second assume they took the imaging sensor from say the E5, that gets you a marginal score of 56/100. Don't get me wrong I have a PEN E-P2 and I love it because i have some cheap range finder glass on it as it's basically a range finder... but even my way old Canon 20D out performs it in every aspect that matters to me an that's image quality.

I personally don't see Olympus coming out with some magic sensor for a new camera given what their old sensor technology produced results wise. Especially since both aforementioned cameras are using Live-MOS technology. One nice thing my Olympus has is in body image stabilization.

While DXO isn't the only website in the world, it does provide an objective sensor comparison without the added bias of the reviewer. Honestly I see you talk as if you're some amazing photographer who has issues with exceeding the capabilities of his gear, except you have zero work posted. Your obsession with high ISO really has me wondering if you even have the fundamentals of photography down. Your lenses being faster the F1.8 being wicked expensive seems to entirely discount older screw mount Pentax lenses which can be had down to F1.4 cheaply, or if you're really feeling creative you may try your hand at using old security camera lenses which are super wide angle an crazy low F-Stop also dirt freaking cheap.

In photography it's more about the skill set and fundamentals you have rather then the latest greatest camera. My professor once said "Give the world's best photographer the world's worst camera and you will like the results; Give the world's worst photographer the world's best camera and they will still produce crap." I think that quote best fits this conversation. By all means please upload some work to really show us what you can do, otherwise I'm growing weary of you evading the laws of physics with your sensor technologies and generally not listening to a damn thing that's said.

I've held my tongue, but I have to bite at that.

I see you remarking that one shouldn't get a DSLR more than 2 years old, yet you're using a piece of equipment that is 8 years old as your point of reference. It is no surprise that sensors have improved in that length of time. Not only that, but such a blanket statement also disregards a few important things:

* The product cycle for most professional and enthusiast equipment exceeds 2 years to begin with. Should people not buy the Canon EOS 7D or 5D Mark II because they are 3 years old now, in spite of being fine pieces of equipment? The 7D hasn't even been superseded yet!

* The capabilities of even a 5 year old piece of equipment far exceed what is required for most tasks. For web use, with current DSLRs 95% or more of the resolution is being discarded by the time you make it to the final output.

* A cheaper, used DSLR can often be a better learning tool than a new low end DSLR. After all, you don't need the latest and greatest equipment to learn good fundamentals, and a used camera may give you more "nice to have" features for the same money or less than the current model.

I'm a firm believer that people should provide encouragement to those who want take up photography as a hobby or even eventually as a profession. Sadly a lot of remarks on here would only serve to discourage a newcomer and give a very poor impression of enthusiasts.

Incidentally, most professionals I've run in to - as in people who do this for a living - are absolutely wonderful to deal with as long as you're polite.

You said, and I quote:
If someone plans on getting a DSLR, don't get one that is more than 2 years old, it's all I'm saying

It is a short and unambiguous statement. If you meant something else, you should have said something else. This is particularly important given we have many users whose first language is not English, or otherwise have to take statements at face value.

Look a camera that has NOT been updated with a newer model is kind of OBVIOUS.

To whom? You said don't get one that is more than 2 years old, it is more than 2 years old.

I am talking more on the lines of XXD and XXXD series.

All the current APS-C Canon DSLRs are using essentially the same 3 year old sensor as the 7D. How does your 2 year rule apply to that?

Obviously you cant compare the pro models which get updated with a few years between to this rule.

They're still DSLRs, and your statement doesn't distinguish between model ranges or systems. Incidentally, the 7D is not a professional model, it is an enthusiast model.

I thought people were able to actually use common sense when they read shit but obviously not.

Determining what you mean should not be an exercise for the reader. It is also impolite to use foul language like that.

Many professionals have already upgraded to the 5D mark III so your point is?

Most professionals will be waiting to see how the 5D III performs in the field and for the initial price premium to disappear before purchasing. After all, if you do this stuff for a living, you don't buy on impulse or specifications - you buy based on results and return on investment. Incidentally, I have a 5D Mark III - but then again, I'm not a professional. I'm just a single guy with a good job who likes his gadgets.

Yes the capabilities of a 5 year old equipment are plenty enough for web use but can still give you less freedom in other areas.

Everything is a compromise. Any camera is better than no camera, right?

I see you're making a big deal about high ISO performance in other posts. As useful as it is to have good high ISO performance, it is better to avoid using high ISO to begin with. In the long run you get better results out of improving composition and lighting, or using a wider aperture lens, etc. than just ramping the ISO and hoping the noise reduction can deal with it. This isn't to say high ISO is always avoidable, but it should be an option of last resort.

That is correct but I never claimed it was not nor did I say used equipment was bad.

Used equipment is seldom under 2 years old, so it is a relevant statement.

All this is fairly moot though for the purposes of FA wanting staff - this is an administrative role, and as important as photography knowledge/skill is, demeanour is more important.

They might be using the same sensor but the firmware does IMPROVE on what you can get out of the sensor in each model.

Firmware updates are primarily to fix errata and occasionally implement features. If you shoot RAW without noise reduction, it is highly unusual for firmware to change the output quality (errata occasionally notwithstanding).

If you can't handle the word "shit" being used when talking about "stuff"

I suggest you should just disconnect your internet right away as this is the mildest thing you can EVER see when it comes to cursing online.
Have fun checking for example 4chan you will go crying to your mom.

I have not engaged in swearing or name calling, and all I expect is the same courtesy in return. Mind you, between work and having moderated large technical forums for 9 years, I've been called pretty much everything under the sun - including combinations of profanities I'd never have dreamed of using. Sometimes I even have to give them points for ingenuity...

Indeed but you still need to make sure you get the best bang for your buck and make sure selling it later on is not going to be a problem if you upgrade.

Sure, but that is an entirely subjective matter, and an arbitrary age limit on equipment makes no sense.

And yes high ISO is something you should always try to avoid however photographs like the nothern lights require minimum of 800 ISO and it's the only way in a case like that.

I'm not convinced. Since you're focusing to infinity (and thus depth of field isn't a consideration) there is generally the option of using a wider aperture, unless you're already shooting at sub-f/1.8 (at which point faster glass starts to get pretty expensive). That of course comes with issues too (chromatic aberration, being restricted to primes and finding a sufficiently wide one, etc.). Once again, compromises. Photography is all about it.

As well if your downtown late at night you will prefer high iso over using a flash and getting possible punch in the face.

There is also the option of speaking to the subject. Some people don't like being subjects, and this should be respected (even though there is no legal requirement to do so in a public place in Australia, it is still good manners).

You have never seen the Icelandic market XD

Given I'm in Australia, that shouldn't come as any great surprise.

3 months after the Canon eos 600D was released, 5 models were already for sale used.
The used camera market is always flowing and I often see camera's just over 1 months old being for sale used.

This tends to be the exception rather than the rule, and also more likely at the bottom end of the market than the top end.

And my point in the beginning was that finding photography knowledged people with skills is easier to do by walking into a group of DSLR users than compact camera/point and shoot users.

Plenty of compact users out there who are good with the fundamentals (which is all an administrative role like this really requires), and plenty of DSLR users out there who couldn't take a decent photo to save their lives. Equipment is not a measure of quality in any way, shape or form.

Easier to thin out the heard and more quality than quantity.

Not really, no. If I were looking at filling an administrative role, I'd be using the way people act as my first filter, then go from there. Better to have somebody with moderate field knowledge who can be polite and interact well with the users than an "expert" with no people skills or manners.

If you want to FREEZE the action of the northern lights instead of just getting them like a green fog you need at least iso 800. trust me I have used 400 iso and it looked like fog rather than the actual lights. and yes I used 50mm 1.8 at 1.8.

Freezing is a matter of shutter speed though. Saying "I need to shoot at f/1.8 and ISO 800 with a shutter speed of x" is more accurate. In that case it could be worth seeing just how slow you can get away with shutter speed wise, slightly underexpose intentionally, and pull it up in post. Assuming of course one is shooting RAW. Always more than one way to skin a cat.

Yes plenty of compact users out there are good with the fundementals but what I am saying is that it is just easier to bump into someone who is good with the fundementals as they usually have gone from point and shoot to DSLR as they have wanted to go further in they´re photography.

DSLRs are cheap enough now that it is really a useless metric. You can pick up low end DSLRs with kit lenses for less than the price of a good compact.

Also I apologize for having offended you with the word "shit" But honestly?
Compared to people in my country I was like the god of politeness.
I guess our cultures are very different of what is considered polite and what is not.

I didn't say I was offended (believe me, it is extremely difficult to offend me), I said it was impolite. It is an important distinction.

I don't know about Iceland, but in most of the English speaking world it is considered rude, impolite or unprofessional to use profanities like that - at least in formal or public correspondence. Just something to keep in mind.

Anyway let's just agree to disagree somewhat but agree on some things and stop these non stop comments as I am VERY tired of answering people here and either having an arguement or having to correct some people.

I have gotten so many reply's here that it's insane.

There is a very important saying that I keep in mind before posting things (or speaking): "Better to say nothing and have people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". The best way to avoid something like this happening is to either be very careful about what one says, or to hold ones tongue and not post to begin with.

I am going now to go get a haircut and do some photography

Have fun with that. Whether I agree with you or not, there is little to be gained here from further arguing of the point.

Pffft. TWIN lens reflex! Make 'em learn to aim upside down and use a light meter!

They are fun to use, and the large format film results in gorgeous prints.

Indeed!

DON'T TRUST ANYONE UNDER THIRTY!!!

I have seen 30+ years who act mature. It's not the age but the person who acts immature, age really has nothing to do with it.

What kind of photography experience?

This sounds fun ... 37 years old and went to New York Institute of Photography ..

I nominate this person for president of photographs

you nominate a nominated?

Damn. As much as I'd love to try I don't meet the 21+ requirement. Would be nice to make all my photography on here seem useful >>

Ah well, here's to hoping that there'll be another chance somewhere down the road.

I would defiantly apply for this, but I'm only 20. I wish I was 21 now XD I love doing photography and been on FA for like 3 years haha

No experience in photography + I'm in college + 1mbps internet = Impossible even to think in something like this.
Sadly.


Offtopic btw: I like the bar with the stuff at the top (in the beta version). There are plans to make that bar "always visible" even if you scroll down? Or it will be like in facebook?
Will we have new skins or at least the possibility to build our own ones?

if only I wasnt still getting my Bachelor's for photography i would do this.

*chuckles*

I think this could work...although I could dedicate even more hours if this position was paid

I'm on FA all the time anyway...so what will be different? And I have a decent experience in photography. Would be very cool to get the position!

Very nice :D

Damn...If only you accepted Photo Specialists (Photo Developers)...

Don't blame all of us for the fuck-up of one! XD

All that's required to develop your own film is... A sink, a daylight processing tank, some good reels, a dark bag, requisite chemicals, measuring cups/beakers, running water, film washer, and a cheap home made drying cabinet with clips.... All of which aside from the drying cabinet can be stored under the sink, so why do you need a dedicated room to develop your own film? If you were to want to make prints from your film you would then need a darkroom but I've personally seen people convert tiny ass bedroom closets into functional darkrooms since the only running water you need for that is your film washer which can be hooked up to the aforementioned sink out in the daylight.

#1: you can easily process B&W in a VERY small space. I have a tiny half-bathroom that I do my development in.

#2: use a neutral fixer as the have little smell, replace acetic acid stop bath with citric acid stop bath to eliminate that oder. Aside from that the developer an hypo-clear rarely have a strong oder unless you're into huffing chemicals.

Again, one cupboard is more then sufficient for developing film. Secondly the only fumes you need to be worried about when developing film is the acid fumes from Acetic acid stop baths. When you swap out Citric Acid in place of Acetic Acid it's a non issue for low volume film processing. It's not like you're starting a production film processing business. If you'd like to keep making excuses why you can't do something instead of figuring out how you can do it, please be my guest.

yet but why bother to develop film if you cant make prints. prints takes a darkroom

yet but why bother to develop film if you cant make prints. prints takes a darkroom

You know, to have fun, enjoy your work, scan your negatives, print at a later date, or even send the negs off to be printed much like sending your film off to be developed. oh experiment with chemicals, developers, extreme push processing, etc.

well processing 35mm film is not a creative process you just do it. printing is where the magic happens. you can a lab to process a roll of 35mm so you can scan it for next to nothing

Right I forgot that making your own developer formulations to get things exactly how you want, using staining developers to get effects, or even doing things like cross processing and such is in no way a creative process. That would be why people have gone to the trouble of making books such as "The Darkroom Cookbook"... I will whole heartedly agree that the magic happens when you're in the darkroom printing, but you can't entirely discount the creative aspects of negative processing simply because you choose not to experiment with them.

well its sorta hard to do that with roll film since you have to apply it to all frames. i cant see howd youd use this in a non gimmicky way. i guess you could shoot a 4x5 ( i fucking love my zone 6 field camera) but honestly unless your ansel adams this just sounds like a good way to ruin negatives you worked hard on. between what you can do in the printing process and scanned into photoshop i dont know that its necassary to muck around with negatives short of push pull processing and creative use of zones. all of witch a good photo lab will do just tell them what youd like.

lets face it swishing some chemicals areound a development tank isnt that satisfying

How hard and fast is the 21+ req? is it worth filling out the form for even possible consideration or is it pretty much automatic denial?

I imagine if you're under 21 they'll instantly deny you.
Like people have said, they want someone with more experience and maturity. 21 years old doesn't have much life experience with photography.

Maybe they should tell that to my friend who is 20 and opening up her own photo site to sell her prints (many of which have already been sold before). I know I've been up and down this journal with comments on this, but I have yet to find a legitimate reason for the 21+ age limit.

Then why are you asking random people rather then the admins?
It's their site, they may do with it as they please. If you dislike the way they run things I'd advise you going elsewhere, I doubt they'd change for one person who is over-reacting to an age limit.

I meet all the requirements minus the photography part. Shame. I do hope someone fitting finds it, and I'll keep a lookout for other possible openings :)

I was like "Omg yes!" then I click and at the very top "Must be 21+" damn...lol

*pokes* But I'm not in school. :P Since I'm so close to being 21 I'm applying anyhow. Worth a shot, at least.

I have no experience with photography but I do have loads of experience managing a community site. I'll pass this round though because I'm already managing one under another name.

While I somewhat understand the 21+ thing, it's kind of disappointing. I know plenty of people who are mature for their age younger than that (and I consider myself pretty mature since I've been working in customer service and retail since I was 16), and ones who are less than 'grown up' at older ages.

I'm just glad they're actually hiring new people in the field of their expertise.

True.

USA based age limits just don't do it for me.. Besides, if you are doing interviews you'd ought to know if that person is acting mature or not.

Agreed. Also, just because someone has more years of life doesn't mean they may be any more friendly or have more experience than someone younger than them.

Very true, some people will never learn how to interact with others, no matter how old they become. Especially on the Internet.

I may not have the best photography background, but I've been in customer service for over 4 years now. I certainly feel like I'd be able to handle pissy furs since I handle lots of annoyed and upset guests all day. I turn 21 in October anyways, haha. Not to mention I work in our photo lab at my store and have a brother who is obsessed with cameras. I've handled about 3 different SLR cameras and took classes for it. I suppose I shouldn't worry much about it though. I just wanted to help with this site since I'm on it so much. Hopefully we get a good admin who people won't yell at all the time, haha.

Me neither, but I've always had a good eye for photography. As in seeing what's good about a picture.

Although I understand the Fa crew needs to set some standards. And age is most likely one of them. But why not try to find people with a psychology background then? When those kind of people read a note, or a trouble ticket. They would understand the sender's way of thoughts better than anyone. And by that, they would be able to reply in a way that they'd feel helped. Rather than blown off. I'm not saying this would work all the time. But it's a great quality to have.

Anyway. I do hope who ever gets the position will take it serious. But that's the crew's responsibility.

Well if you see Fender's comment earlier, they "...want admins who have had a bit more life/user experience." Which I think age should play no role in deciding.

I think its their way of saying "You have to be this old" I mean, its just like how the minimum age to work in the US is 16. Its the same idea just brought to a different place.

I see nothing wrong with the age requirement. I feel 21 is good. Mostly because it does put limits on how many people will apply. They will get more adult users, adult in age and some in maturity. The role the age plays in this deciding factor is filtering and giving them less work.

Like you see all of this above me all the way up and down people want to apply but they are in school or not 21. The reason for the requirements is filtering. If they knocked it down to 18 or 16 people would be flooding them and they would have no one to hire because it would add a lot of work.

Forgive me if this makes no sense at all but in my opinion I see it as a filter to help them hire the best candidate, because they will have the time to accurately interview them for the position and not have to be going through dozens upon hundreds of applications just to hire ONE person.

TL;DR? in my opinion, its a filter. /end

If you'd ask for someone with a psychology background, you'd also be asking for someone to be (generously) over 21.
I mean, I have yet to see someone with a psychology diploma below that age.

You sir. Get some of my birthday cake :D Because I get what you were saying o.o *still also thinks it makes a good filter*

Awesome, I love cake!
But then again, who doesn't?

Also, happy b-day :3

Hehe~ Thank you. It was an awesome birthday ^^

Oh yah, well my cake was angel food bunt cake with whip cream strawberries black berries and raspberries <3 I was delicious ^^

Thats why I also said that acting mature is a must, besides you don't need to be graduated or have a diploma to be good around people. For example, Lots of students take a semester of psychology. Of course that would be basic psychology. But even that helps you understanding people better.

37, been shooting film slrs since 1995, self taught cause I could not afford classes,. Currently using a GE X 400 Digital 14.2 , wich allows me to shoot manual all the time. I own a few Slrs that are in pretty good shape. Would like to go to photography school so I can get a paper or two but till then yall enjoy my work , will post some more soon. Unfortunate ly, no administrative experience.

I know just took one down,one more to go.

21+ TOTALLY guarantees maturity. Yep.

Whoops, I think you may have bruised some egos.

Naaah. I'd have to be a lot louder.

I concur, but then again, requiring English as the first language does not guarantee someone is wellspoken. Perhaps those requesting should Rephrase their query as seeking one fluent in English. I know plenty of "English" Americans that still have not mastered their native tongue.

I know right? If they can't even word it right....wait, I don't want to finish that, it makes me want to smack my head on a wall.

My favorite is the Americans who think that they speak 'American.' Maybe American English, but people are so ignorant sometimes... *Sigh*

Reminds me of when I've gone to Quebec and been asked if they "speak Canadian up there". Apparently outside of France it's just not French.

Yes, no matter where your accent may be from, "Git R Dun" is not proper English either. This is one reason I must very carefully limit my time spent in the hometown where I was born and raised, sadly.

I speak fluent English, I am 21+, I have a lot of experience in photography. But I will not apply, as I believe “having beautiful photo work to showcase” has nothing to do with administrative work. Proof? I was admin of a website way bigger than Fur Affinity (Wikimedia Commons is the Wikimedia Foundation’s media server). _{And I left the team because I did not agree with the other admins’s philosophy.}

So, yeah. As much as I would like to help FA (and even if I am not a fan of the site overall), being expected to be “talented, creative” to manage a website is a bit of a turn-off. Besides, I am more specialized in video.

Sucks that I'm only 19 ;-; boo </3

Welcome to the 'booing' club.

Will it be someone who doesn't have a hissy fit and leaves the team if Doxed?

Put in my application. For one of my qualifications, I wrote "Can find derriere with both hands". This may overqualify me.

It amazes me how many people are whining over this.
In fact, no it doesn't. Nothing's ever good enough U-U.

The sad thing is... I meet all the criteria, bar one. I'm not a photographer. I deal in story-writing and literature.

-_-

I too would apply, but am in college for the long haul.

Hey I applied for that postion just now how long should I get a response 1-3 days maybe?

Sorry my Y wouldnt type opps

Do we just re-apply again after 2 weeks or so?

I mean if we don't get a response or w/e I mean

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I'm a photographer but I've already been on the admin team once and it is a very large commitment with highs and some lows. Doubtful the management wants me back and if so I would have to do some serious thinking to determine whether or not it would be the right choice.

if im 16, can i do this?

You have to be 21 hun. If you click the application link it says that dear :)

hmm yeah lets have some underaged admins :V

Just curious...but since this is volunteer based, why do you need to know our real names and ages?

I don't know of any jobs, volunteer or otherwise, that don't require real information...

Really? Every site that I've managed have had board members that simply offered their usernames. Since we're not seeing their faces, there's no real reason to know their real names. If you're participating in a job where you actually need to physically show up, then certainly, they'll need to see you true and proper ID. But, online, not so much so.

Thanks for being insightful ;] I am actually quite surprised (and a bit shocked) by how many people ask this question.
I hope the new recruit will meet the "mature" expectations!

Well, we know quite a bit about the users from seeing them on the boards. We don't interact with them in real life, so we don't really need to know their personal information. We're not seeing "Sarah Elizabeth" so much as we see "Xena_Warrior08". Knowing that Xena_Warrior08 and Sarah Elizabeth are the same person doesn't really change who they've been and it doesn't help us since we're not going to look her up. If we needed to see Xena_Warrior08 personally, then an exchange of personal information would be pertinent. Since interactions with this user would be limited to online transactions, it's simply unnecessary, at least for the capacities that I've promoted users into positions of responsibility.

So, it's not a matter of "not knowing who's working for you", it's just a matter of acknowledging that they're helping us out and might want to keep their privacy private. Of course we want to know who's working for us, but I just wasn't sure how knowing a user's full name would help in this facility. You mentioned that the selected candidate is given "quite a bit of responsibility". Can you elaborate? Also, after what I've said, is it still important to know the given names of the users who are applying for the opportunity to be a part of the FA staff? I'll understand if you cannot answer these questions. I apologize if you felt my query out of line or inappropriate as that certainly wasn't my intent. I'm just rather cautious about giving personal information out over the internet. It's nothing at all against you guys, personally, I'm just being careful, is all. I apologize for the inconvenience, but I appreciate the time you took to consider my thoughts. Thank you!

Understood. To be honest, I only wanted to apply to be able to give back to the site that has offered me so much. Beyond that, it would have been nice to help out and help make changes to things for the better or just maintain the great things about this site that exist already. You guys do a good job and I wanted to help uphold the standards that you guys do. I'm certainly aware that application for this position is optional, not mandatory, but thank you for restating that. I just wanted to help.

Due to my previous experiences, I would be inclined to agree with this. It is quite easy for a person to hide behind a handle, disguising part of their past that, unfortunately in some cases, is found to be quite unsavory.

-They're- likely only taking one or two on, as it is for a specialized department/category.

why does staff use there rl name for a applation for job for staff

i am kinda 5 or 3 years old furaffnity kinda remade my account so does it still counts as a old member of furaffnity

Are you guys drawing a hard line with the no college students? I'm not seeing the difference between someone who works and another that attends college. If someone can contribute a few hours per day either way, what's the difference?

I have a question, for the experience part does it count if you have worked with somone for several years on photography and they have a Masters degree? I have worked with my sister in law for years cleaning up images and I have repaired 2 of her cameras, plus I know quite a bit about traditional film.

I'm just wondering if the expeirence you need HAS to be from schooling or not I guess.

I can't be the only one who thought the headline was "pornography".

i hope the fact that i an a few months short of a year won't hurt my chances

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think they'd consider less then a year much experience.

I am highly certified in photography and photoshop. That should out way the fact I joined FA in July 2011. Infact I can safely say that only one other person in the world has my qualifications.

It's not me you should be telling this to :p

I've been involved with cameras since making 'art' cameras in college (ultra modified pinhole cameras) moved on to digital back in the day of the Sony Mavica (the floppy cams) and migrated slowly on from there. In that day and age there was no manual mode, it was just a point and shoot and a box of floppy disks and some heavy batteries. I moved on to a small Canon point and shoot and composed some pictures with that little camera that came back as award winning in a local photography competition. At the time I could not afford the big DSLR's nor at this time would I particularly want to as I've found all my needs of a camera have been filled with so called "bridge cameras" that of the Pro-sumer grade of "hobby camera" I work in the manual modes of several of these cameras (Canon s3-iS and an Olympus E-10) and have taken many thousands of pictures to get a few truly good shots from that mix. I've had the chance to work with Ikgami television cameras as a field cameraman for a local television channel, and also did support work for them at the time.

Currently I don't have the budget for a big DSLR, I'm content with my super zoom 'pro-sumer' cameras, they fulfill my needs, and the contracts that I have taken, have not had any qualms with the photographic output that I have gotten for them. They don't care how I get my pictures so long as I get my pictures to them in a timely manner.

I play with photography, play with cameras, and jot down recipes for shots and exposure modes, lighting situations, metering, and shadows. I have a little bit of education in digital photography, but I don't use many of the terms photo-pro's use, I operate at a 'mom and pop' level and have had to work with a variety of users. I work with my camera till I see the right light, see the right effect, I work in trial and error, and continue relentlessly until I get the shot that I'm desiring when it comes to a shot that I can actually work with. I do work with manual modes, but I don't use the terms, F-stops, metered modes, spot focus, whatever, doesn't matter one bit to me in the way I shoot. I still get good shots, I just play with the camera till I like what I see, to heck with the fancy names. I've been paid to take pictures, all those terms don't matter one bit to the employer so long as the shots look good to them.

When it comes to taking pictures of animals, creatures n' critters its another story, often I'm just lucky to encounter such creatures this for instance: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/732341/ I was freaking lucky to just get the chance at taking this shot. It was a drive by in effect as it was a bear jam in Yellowstone, and as I was stuck in the midst of it I had only moments to snap the shot and get gone again. I had a chance a while ago to take pictures in Yellowstone again, and got lucky enough to get a shot of Wolves. I indeed did wish I had a DSLR and a nice long zoom range, alas, all I had was my lower budget Canon S3-is It took the shot out in digital zoom (which in turn crapified the shot and focus some)

My experience is in working with people, less the technobabble, more the helping than anything else, and while I don't have the big and fancy pro-cameras that many are touting as the be all and end all, I still think that my methodology has served me well in my professional life, and could well serve FA.

You are aware that there's a form to fill out, if you wish to apply, right?

Maybe hes posted it here as well as in an application so we have a chance to get to know him

I did apply via the form, though I'm more considering this as an introduction or means to compare to what others have referenced.

I think you'd make a fine photography admin, Ring-dingo!

So people with lives, need not apply?

Sucks for me, I am still 18. Hopefully there will be another opportunity someday!

I lol'd.

I'm just here for draw pictures and have friends ;3 why be an admin? I wonder... Why?

Why?

Well one thing is painfully clear from the discussion above - field experience (perceived or otherwise) and age certainly don't guarantee somebody is suitable for an administrative role.

I can tell everyone now, this won't be about who is the "best" photographer - it will be about people skills with a decent level of smarts. Ideally it will go to somebody who knows their way around the medium reasonably well and has the proper demeanour for moderator/administrative duties. After all, you don't need to be an expert to deal with the grunt work so long as the rules are clear.

The fact they're specifically asking about previous administrative experience as well as previous photographic experience means somebody is thinking this through and coming to a similar conclusion to my own.

Regards,
Some guy with a couple of cameras.

... and can be a level-headed admin. Cause I'm sure you'll get a lot of bitching when you have to delete people's blurry photos where you don't really know what you're looking at :p

Also, I lol'd at everyone who is complaining about being under 21. It'll come, kids. It'll come. We've all done our time. </28>

Just turned 21. I read this and I am like "whats wrong with being 21 guys!" not all of us are self centered or anything that people are making us 'youngins' out to be, even though they are much younger haha. Oh internet, you cease to make me laugh :P