I still dont think you can steal a pose, unless its a complicated pose that no one does. But I dont know

If its complicated then I would give them credit because its rare, but for common ones then heh.. everyone has stolen from someone else.

The only thing that separates an artist from just a person who steals is creativity. Thats what judges an artist in the end. At, thats my point of view to things.

I would personally say no. I use reference materials now for all my work, and, it just seems to make my work a lot better.

A lot of people got great at art by learning the masters. I know that in art class we had to copy a lot of stuff and learn how based on the works that people have done before.

If people are complaining that it is, then, we've been doing this wrong for several centuries.

My $.02.

Im starting to use reference pictures alot more now just to use a pose that I like, im glad im not the only one here that will admit that, everyone uses a pose everynow and then but if people are going to complain thats its theft that THEY thought of it first then hell...EVERYONE is guilty..

Ever since I've Stopped Worrying and Learned To Love The Reference Material, my art has gone from this:

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1155781/

to this:

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1216188/

The difference is that the latter one feels less forced, more relaxed, and just a better sketch and guide to start working and refining from.

Then again, it might be a learning style thing. I went through at least 10 years of art classes where I was sat down with something in front of me and told "Draw This!" whether it be a bowl of fruit, pumpkins, or something in a magazine. So, if I'm wrong, let's form a posse and blame Art Teachers!

Well, there is no one existing pose that never has been done before, no matter what pose you find, it will have been done already.

Look at the guilmon pic in my gallery, then theres a chibi of myself in my gallery, same basic pose right? Though, it really wasn't purposeful. x3

Anyways, it doesn't matter what pose you use, someone will have already used it.

exactly!!!

http://fchan.us/src/m_1206753340913_closetgay.jpg that being the picture in question for you tracing, no you didn't trace, and there is nothing wrong with using poses, hell most of the top notch artist even use the same magazines at time for art poses, nothing in art now a days is "original" any more cause in one way or another that pose, postion , number of cocks has already been used some were

Yuup thats the picture I used for a reference! I know alot of people who use poses that someone else has done and then made it their own, I dont see that as theft...but for those that do..I just dont know what to say or think, if people complain about using a pose for a piece that someone else has done then hell...everyone would be in trouble for theft.

mimicary is the best way to learn to draw, then you from there can learn to build your own art style

I dont see it as stealing either, I only used the pose because I liked it and wanted to draw it out and seeing how it would look.

As for people who traced someone elses work or something else...I can say ive done it, I used karabiner pictures, I never traced, and I always gave copyrights to him, I havent drawn ANYTHING by him since december, I stopped and even had them taken down. I dont do that anymore its not me, now im doing my own stuff, but by the looks of it, if I cant even use a pose that someone else did I dont know why im even drawing anymore.

It's not art theft for using a pose, however, the closer your work is to another's, or the more inspiration you draw from that piece, the more reasonable it is to expect you to at least link the original. It's about respect for the artist you admired enough to take inspiration from.

No. Next Question?

it's not theft, but it is also not polite to just reference something without giving credit.. besides that, there is no thievery going on, nope :U

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uhm..hello.

don'tcha remember me?

ah guess, it's just more or less the complete randomness an irrelevancy of the ':V' reply

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I knew this would bring drama.

Also: I want bread!

OH NO, IT'S THE ORIGINAL ARTIST, EVERYONE RUN!

but seriously...

Referencing is fine by me so long as like there's proper credit. Or if you don't know the source, just mention that it was referenced. More than likely someone will know where the source is from and help you out.


More often than not, folks will be mad if you don't cite your sources because that in effect is as bad as going 'I drew this all by myself.' Also, it's probably good to not stick with the habit too much. I know it gets annoying to have to try and come up with stuff on your own but it's good to try things without eyeballing a previous work. It helps you get a better understanding of what you're drawing if you do the foundation work yourself. :3 ::thumbs up::

I see referencing more as a teaching aid if it's being used to improve your work, but if it's being done just because it's easier to redo a picture I don't feel you learn anything from that other than how to be a decent mimic. No pose is copy written to any one person but that doesn't mean we can't try to NOT be duplicates of each other.

You can't "steal" a pose really since if you think about it, it would be like leaning against a wall the same way some other random person does IRL and get sued for it. Also basically EVERYTHING (at least almost) has been done before somewhere at some point in time so being completely original is almost impossible taking that into count.
However if you do feel uncomfortable referencing a pose from someone else just photograph yourself in a pose you want and draw the basic structure over that then fix it towards whatever race/species is supposed to be in the drawing (although this may be better with a friend to help if you're doing a picture with multiple subjects).

Tracing = bad, using another pic as a reference = self improvement. There is not a single artist out there that can honestly say they have NEVER looked up a pose or reference for something they've drawn. I use references all the time, especially if I'm having difficulty on a certain pose or perspective.

I'd like to know who actually thinks it is stealing to use a position in a picture...

These types of people are desperate for attention.

It's not theft like evry one has told you already.

i don't think a pose is theft.. i've seen many a-people use the same pose out of respect or just 'cause they think it's cool..

Heck, I need ideas for my drawings. (When I actually do bother to draw.) I oftentimes use other pictures as a guide for certain features, and I usually mish-mash together ideas/angles/poses from multiple pictures.

I don't think it's stealing. =P All creativity needs a root, otherwise nothing will grow and blossom.

er... you have to do a lot of changes.

the problem is when it's apparent you traced it then change the character features.