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Secret's guide for the good commissioner V.2 ----> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2884549/
Secret's guide for the good artist----> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/989763/
Secret's guide for the good artist----> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/989763/
Edit: And a second part of my test worked, science is fun. After checking the journal back from sleeping, the links to the comparation meme are gone, which are direct submissions links, but I left the tattoo part with no links but with the way to finding said pictures. So after doing a new search of the word tattoo with no filters on the search engine, the results remains exactly the same as yesterday, meaning the didn't got look at. In conclussion, no work will be done unless served on a silver plate.
So today after reading a couple of journals refering to the deletion of submissions that are against the AUP, I decided to run a little test.
On one of these journals explaining that a picture got removed from the AUP violation, I decided to make a comment to one of my submissions that, for more than a year, was uploaded on my galery and was in fact my user ID for several months: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:27027297
The picture that was uploaded was this: http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/.....F/DSC00079.jpg
And who would have guessed, after a few hours I receive a note confirming that this picture is indeed against the AUP and thus was removed from my galery.
"Thank you for bringing this post to our attention with a recent admittance of violating the AUP! This submission is being removed for the following violations in policy:"
Huh? Sooo he is thanking me for... reporting myself? Well, you are welcome? Funny fact is that I belive some admins actually watch my account and could clearly see this picture uploaded but hmm never mind.
"Clothing & Attire - All persons featured in photography must be appropriately dressed with top and bottom garments. Exceptions are made for swimwear provided the models are at an appropriate location (pool, beach, waterpark) and are wearing proper attire for their gender (shorts for men, bikini/one piece for women). Underwear, bras, and diapers are NOT considered acceptable articles of clothing for individuals and costumers. Latex and leather clothing and costumes are permitted provided the attire does NOT feature modifications of sexual nature and are otherwise suitable for viewing by users of all ages."
Ohhh I see, males can't post pictures of theirselves with their chest exposed, fair enough... WAIT A MOMENT, in the past months we had a huge influx of people making this "Comparation meme" where literaly dozens of males made the comparation with self shots of theirselves without a shirt and no admin noticed those?!
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6921620/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6919535/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7709970/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6923857/
"Self Portraits - Self portraits photographs are allowed provided they meet quality, photo dump/similar content and artistic merit standards. No more than three self portraits are permitted in a single gallery.Photographs that focus solely on a person's random body parts (hands, feet, etc) do not count as personal photos and are prohibited from upload."
Ahhh I see, the picture was solely focusing on my navel, well after all that's where my tattoo is showing... I wonder what happens if I do a searc for "tattoo" -found 32257 times- OH MY... well maybe they are from digital art pictures let's see~ 28 pictures focusing on random body parts where the tattoo is placed within the first search page, half of them with their top body exposed.
So let me get this straight, you have a policy that states that certain content is not allowed... yet the entire site is full of the, do I take that an admin's action is solely to pay attention to a reported submission and not to the entire content of the site? You telling me that you can't use your own tools to see if your own website is filled with content that is not allowed?
Ok let's make a last test... searching cub with mature/adult tag on... found 30570 times.
Yeah... great job...
Aparently FA justice is blind untill someone open their eyes to the person they desire harm for.
My rant and 2 cents, thanks for reading.
So today after reading a couple of journals refering to the deletion of submissions that are against the AUP, I decided to run a little test.
On one of these journals explaining that a picture got removed from the AUP violation, I decided to make a comment to one of my submissions that, for more than a year, was uploaded on my galery and was in fact my user ID for several months: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:27027297
The picture that was uploaded was this: http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/.....F/DSC00079.jpg
And who would have guessed, after a few hours I receive a note confirming that this picture is indeed against the AUP and thus was removed from my galery.
"Thank you for bringing this post to our attention with a recent admittance of violating the AUP! This submission is being removed for the following violations in policy:"
Huh? Sooo he is thanking me for... reporting myself? Well, you are welcome? Funny fact is that I belive some admins actually watch my account and could clearly see this picture uploaded but hmm never mind.
"Clothing & Attire - All persons featured in photography must be appropriately dressed with top and bottom garments. Exceptions are made for swimwear provided the models are at an appropriate location (pool, beach, waterpark) and are wearing proper attire for their gender (shorts for men, bikini/one piece for women). Underwear, bras, and diapers are NOT considered acceptable articles of clothing for individuals and costumers. Latex and leather clothing and costumes are permitted provided the attire does NOT feature modifications of sexual nature and are otherwise suitable for viewing by users of all ages."
Ohhh I see, males can't post pictures of theirselves with their chest exposed, fair enough... WAIT A MOMENT, in the past months we had a huge influx of people making this "Comparation meme" where literaly dozens of males made the comparation with self shots of theirselves without a shirt and no admin noticed those?!
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6921620/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6919535/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7709970/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6923857/
"Self Portraits - Self portraits photographs are allowed provided they meet quality, photo dump/similar content and artistic merit standards. No more than three self portraits are permitted in a single gallery.Photographs that focus solely on a person's random body parts (hands, feet, etc) do not count as personal photos and are prohibited from upload."
Ahhh I see, the picture was solely focusing on my navel, well after all that's where my tattoo is showing... I wonder what happens if I do a searc for "tattoo" -found 32257 times- OH MY... well maybe they are from digital art pictures let's see~ 28 pictures focusing on random body parts where the tattoo is placed within the first search page, half of them with their top body exposed.
So let me get this straight, you have a policy that states that certain content is not allowed... yet the entire site is full of the, do I take that an admin's action is solely to pay attention to a reported submission and not to the entire content of the site? You telling me that you can't use your own tools to see if your own website is filled with content that is not allowed?
Ok let's make a last test... searching cub with mature/adult tag on... found 30570 times.
Yeah... great job...
Aparently FA justice is blind untill someone open their eyes to the person they desire harm for.
My rant and 2 cents, thanks for reading.
if you see something that is an AUP violation just report it so that they can take care of it!
I don't ask them to find overly complicated and hidden submissions, we are talking of simple word searchs on their own system that literaly told me 30 seconds to do
and if it is so easy to find that stuff, why dont you just report it?
personally id prefer it if they ignored crap that was uploaded years ago and concentrate on the new trouble tickets.
and as i said, whats done is done. i know that there are tons of submissions that should be removed. but no one is going to care for a 5 year old screenshot anymore.
i would really prefer it if they completely ignored that stuff since they cant remove it all anyway and concentrate on the more recent violations.
if it's breaking the rules, get it out, and if it's not, then it can stay.
if nothign is done against pics that violate then people will whine and wonder what is happening, why are exceptions being made and so on.
its simple really :I but i suppose people prefer to sit on their asses and whine all day long XD
people also LOVE to make journals about how they will leave FA forever after their shitty memes or screenshots got removed.
if others got away with and but you didnt, just report them instead of being whiny X3
so far it has not helped and i have not recieved the responses i was hoping for, but i also understand there might be a lot for the admins to do so, i sit patiently and wait for them to take action, but i feel it goes by far too slow, even when things are so obvious, and yet again it feels like they can put really A LOT of effort to remove pics from a user that have just uploaded something just because someone is holding a grudge against the user, while someone else that is indeed withotu a doubt breaking rules to left and right are simply left to do so with no actions taken against them, because the admins are "busy" with less important things, yet probably more fun.
First: If someone has a history of violations, the mods are likely to start keeping an eye on that person.
Second: One way of 'legally' harassing someone is to report everything they post that so much as skirts the edge of the AUP. This results not only in full enforcement on that person but also can quickly create a history of violations.
That's the issue that's being raised. Different parts of the AUP that are conflicting with one another and altogether making it very unclear as to what is and is not allowed.
The staff is too small? Dozens of people with experience running sites, be they forums or other types of sites, have volunteered to help, yet none have been taken on. In the end, don't complain about having too small a staff to handle the site if you aren't going to accept help from experienced people volunteering to aid.
What of, say, a person posting up a photo of their new engagement ring on their hand, in a state of elation? What if, say, that ring was custom-made with the design being drawn up by the giver of the ring? Does that also not technically fall under both the "by you/for you" section of the rules as well as the artistic merit section since jewelry is in fact a craft and an art form?
The AUP is not clear enough, or it contradicts itself far too often to be clear.
he uploaded a photo, he was topless in it. so it has to go. simple.
the by you/for you section only generally regulates that you cant upload stuff that you didnt make yourself.
essentially when you upload a photo all rules are in place at the same time: the content must be made by you or for you, the quality has to be good and if its a photo you cant have random bodyparts or topless guys in it. you cant just apply individual rules for a submission, the submission has to be compatible with all of them.
so even if you fulfilled the by you/for you part, if the photo is blurry and of a topless guy you cant upload it.
i really dont see the problem. this is the clearest version of the AUP so far!
If the photo is in good quality, if the picture shows artistic merit, and if it shows something that was made by you or for you, then that's three rules it follows that come into conflict with the fact that one would only take a photo of said hand that the ring is on, for example. If you take a full-bodied picture you can't see the detail of the ring. You can't show the emotional appeal.
Art is about evoking emotion from the audience and showing the emotion of the artist. Art is like an extension of the person. If you can't understand that, then you will fail as an artist.
and adult and mature photos arent allowed anyway...
there are also LOTS of possibilities to show off a ring like that that wouldnt conflict with the rules. like so: http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-c.....ent-ring.jpg?1
try to get the face in it as well and all of a sudden its not about random body parts anymore but a regular portait photo which is totally allowed here.
that is because out photos are in fact AUP compatible. still life photos are art and dont contain random body parts.
they judge everything on a case to case basis. a hand or feet? not ok. doing something artistic with more than just a few random bits of your body? perfectly fine.
secret was showing off his tatto. showing off isnt allowed here.
kayla-na showed off her ring. same problem there.
this doesnt have anything to do with double standards at all.
you see, its about presentation. you arent showcasing the item but rather how well you can take photos, which is also part of the AUP:
"Exceptions are made for items which are staged in an artistic, dynamic setting. Such images MUST showcase the photographer's artistic skill, not merely showcase collected items."
in the case of an engagement ring i do see what you mean though. because of the subject matter a photo of it does have a lot of emotion. but overcoming the "showing off" aspect is rather difficult in this case.
just upload the photo somewhere else and put the link in a journal :P
but a scanned sketch of how the tattoo should look like before the user gets it? there is nothing that prevents you from uploading that :3
Moral of the story: Don't be an admin if you don't want to put in the work. Reports are only a part of the work.
It seems like the admins do not do anything until its either
A. Reported
B. They dislike the person and look for reasons
and C. When they want to / feel like it.
and besides, whats with the bullcrap about the admins removing stuff from people they dont like? can you prove that?
Sure, I can totally prove that. Haha wow you are a bit dull.
How could I prove that they were /looking/ for a reason or not? I can't. Nor could you request that someone prove it. As it's impossible. As neither of us know a thing that goes on behind the scenes. Else I just wasn't clear.
Oh of course my image removal requests go hella fast, but for someone else? Seems to take them days at a time really.
you declared the things you said to be facts. without proof facts are worthless.
the reason why stuff gets removed? because its against the rules. simple.
or do you have an example where something got removed even though it wasnt against the rules?
>I can not prove it as I cannot prove someone lurks through a persons gallery looking for a reason to spite them. Goodjerb.
Again, you tell me how I could prove that? Oh right. Somehow magically read peoples minds. WooOooO magic.
Not all of the admins are bad, not all of them are good either. There's been several cases of it and screenshots posted. I know you have seen it too as I know you browse. So don't even. Hahaha.
and sure, there have been some minor problems in the past. so? the admins are just humans, too. they make mistakes.
i dont even report every tiny little thing. kiriban screenshots for example. most people remove them after the artist has seem them anyway so i dont want to bother anyone with those.
as for being part of the removal process: im not more involved than any other user. i just report stuff and i have to wait for a month until someone works on my ticket like every other user.
is it this one from her tumblr? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m.....6efo1_1280.jpg
its blurry and out of focus. it doesnt show any particluar photographic skill, its just about showing off the ring.
and look what she writes on her tumblr: "I know the admins are following my tumblr. So seriously guys, fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. :T"
of course they are going to keep an eye on if she keeps up that attitude!
You're still so blind. Still so damned blind if all you think is that a photo or any piece of art has to show great skill to be considered art or worthy. You've learned nothing from art history at all. van Gogh's art was not considered as such during his lifetime, in fact people thought he had no 'particular skill.'
The same was thought of Picasso's cubism art.
Your photos themselves don't show any particular photographic skill either, dear sir, so don't go spouting any of that nonsense. They're merely photos of something you own against a black backdrop, with intent to show off that object, which is a manufactured object and therefore is against the AUP itself. If you're going to be a nitpicker and say that all rules must be followed then you should start with your own work first.
Kayla-Na's ring however, contrary to what the admin had told her, was CUSTOM-MADE which she HAS SAID. That makes it ONE-OF-A-KIND and not MASS-MANUFACTURED rendering that admin's reasoning null and void.
Art's main purpose is to evoke emotion. That photo did. It brought out feelings of joy from the people who saw it, who congratulated her and her fiancé. You are NO person to say that it is not art just because it's not perfect quality if it accomplishes the MAIN purpose of art!
this is a private site. if the staff wants to limit what you can upload to FA then there is nothing wrong with that
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3732029/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3867853/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5136010/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7102797/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3732023/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6900165/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2933848/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6380990/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6157035/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6866773/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8102405/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7637132/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6746268/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4182453/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5366354/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6840920/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2859933/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7591199/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1551198/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4333443/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1576746/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4453802/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3060291/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7573843/
Time to get to work AUP Crusader. And BTW, this is just from the first page of "engagement Ring" site search.
not to mention that i prefer being a person with actual morals instead of just trying to be a good person because a book says so or out of fear that some sort of almighty being might punish me.
and in my opinion religion is dangerous. it invites you to stop thinking and to just accept that some sort of magic space being created everything without questioning it even though there isnt ANY evidence for its existence.
not to mention that it is incredibly immoral that most believers, especially christians, only try to be a good person because a holy book told them to or because they are afraid of their god.
¡JUSTICIA YA!
=_=
I use this site because it is the only good, popular furry site out there. The way it's run is simply atrocious, though. Terrible administration, bad rules and people who don't follow their own rules in the first place, favoritism, zero communication with their consumers for actual important issues. It truly is the worst staffing I have seen on any site =/
If this site wasn't run by biased and terribly unprofessional administration I would have zero problem with paying $5-10 a month for it, since I make money from commissions on this site, so it's more than paying for itself.
"The staff is too small? Dozens of people with experience running sites, be they forums or other types of sites, have volunteered to help, yet none have been taken on. In the end, don't complain about having too small a staff to handle the site if you aren't going to accept help from experienced people volunteering to aid."
they ARE doing this just to mess with you probably.. I mean.. if you wouldn't have linked them in your journal, they would probably never see the submissions!
That's foul of them!
I find it unfair.. a lot of people say it's Sciggles fault and she is just favourised because she is Dragoneer's soon wife to be. But I guess when she want to show her engagement ring she will be ever so allowed.. -_-
I personally ignore most of what's going on with the admins and such. I know basic rules, I upload my art and gift art on my gift account, and all I do is here for publicity and recognition and of course feedback. If that goes well, I will be fine with FA.
But what the admins/mods do here is absolutely revolting.. they could at least raise a voice and explain their shitty new "rules" instead of sitting there on their thrones, enjoying our fury.
Oh well, it's their loss of user data.
They do indeed need to at least note the person to why their art is removed, so they can learn and avoid it in the future. Not doing so just encourages them to do it over and over again.
I personally have nothing against the Admins at all, I know it's a huge job to support many many people. But it does seem they sit back and wait for people to report rather than to do it themselves. I worry over this greatly because it could make it seem like favorism between users. some people watch others and never report a thing while others for someone else reports anything wrong. thus it seems to be playing cards. Such a horrible thing! D:
Technically, ALL photos on this site are against the admins' arbitrary interpretation of the AUP. For example, any photos featuring, containing, or involving man-made items of any kind are against AUP. (AKA, they can remove it for you not wearing a shirt, but they can also remove it for you wearing a shirt, since the shirt is man-made). The reality of it is that the AUP only serves to provide an excuse for an admin to remove arbitrary submissions when they require one. (red: at their whim).
The bottom line is that more than 90% of ALL content on this site is in violation of the AUP insomuch as that using the same interpretations (or misinterpretations) of the AUP that admins have in the past used to remove other submissions from the site, they should also be removed.
So really, when an admin removes your submission, the real reason is "because I say so, now deal with it." (questioning an admin is a bannable offense.)
Sexiest move. What if they are at a nude beach? Or in New York? At a community? Or if it's against their lifestyle?
This has turned into a porn site. A branch in the vast and wild fetish community. Making these bans holds no real logic.
Have a picture limit with quality control I can except, as long as it is maintained.
I've been sitting back and watching this all unfold for the past 3 years atleast. And it's just getting silly.
Also along with my first post what concerns me is the fursuit bondage I want to know how they let that slide when it clearly says no fursuit bondage material allowed
And yeah, fursuit bondage (unless it's a collar or a sled dog harness or whatever) is not allowed, if it hasn't been found and taken down yet though, it probably will. When the mods get around to it of course :P
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http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5136010/
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http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3732023/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6900165/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2933848/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6380990/
http://www.furaffinity .net/view/6157035/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6866773/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8102405/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7637132/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6746268/
http://www.f uraffinity.net/view/4182453/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5366354/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6840920/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2859933/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7591199/
ht tp://www.furaffinity.net/view/1551198/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4333443/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1576746/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4453802/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/30 60291/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7573843/
And guess what, I'm not an admin with any special tool to view the site, I did a simple search. It's got nothing to do with ominipresent awareness it's pure will to do one's job.
This does mean that there are a few internet toughguys who want the job just so they can boss people around, but it also means that people who are genuinely motivated by a desire to make FA a better place for its own purpose would find that thanks enough.
I wonder, is there an application process to become a mod? I hear from time to time about person X, Y or Z being modded/demodded and it tends to cause a stir no matter what (furries being furries and all).