Hard to stomach?
17 years ago
Hey all, sorry I've been scarce. Work + furnishing a condo = artless Vince. Thx for all the watches and stuff, I really wish I had more things to upload right now. Heh, and due to the way I navigate, I keep missing the shoutbox on the main page =X
Anyway, I'm just posting a tame little fetish minddump until I can get more art done.
So it's probably not escaped anyone's notice that I remove shirts from my characters as often as possible, while I tend to keep the rest of their bodies relatively clothed. And much of the reason why is, for lack of a better term, I have a bit of a tummy fetish =X
I don't mean that in nearly in...how do I put it, as actively nawtee as the term implies, but it's more than a passing interest. Sort of a first thing one notices on a guy at the beach, or which form of partial declothing would suddenly grab my attention. The area I'd be first to explore, and one I would spend a LOT of time exploring. Scritches, rubs, feeling up, the works. There's unquestionably some, er, ergoneous contexts, most of which I'm too shy to get into here, but it's not a necessity. And I could elaborate for quite awhile exactly *why* it's an interesting area to me (there's no bone, just flesh; it's a biologically vulnerable and sensitive area; it's a relatively "masculine" area just in terms of anatomical structure and emphasis; it's directly related to physical fitness, and you know my thoughts on fit guys; I actually once read a theory that the stomach my be unusually sensitive in male animals, because the classic "doggy-style" copulation pose means the male's underside gets a lot of contact with the female's back.)
But that's not my point. Basically, I'm just wondering why nobody ELSE seems to have any interest, or at least anywhere near as strong an interest.
I mean, everyone seems to focus on butts (FWIW, I'm not really a butt guy myself). Paw/foot fetishists are pretty much a dime a dozen. Female-favoring people often fixate on breasts and legs. Some people seem to like ears or tails, which I can at least understand in the context that it's an unusually emphasized area on furries. I even know a few folks who like underarms. And of course, there's the one male area I don't even think I NEED to mention.
But the area between the ribcage and hips may as well be just a spacefiller. Sure, some artists I know certainly draw very nice abs, but there's generally not much specific focus, it's merely one factor in general anatomical perfection. There's a good number of chubby/fat fans out there, but I have to admit I really much prefer a fit look (I'll note muscle + gut = HAWT, but there's a threshold).
So I've never quite understood why there's disinterest. My main theory is pure proximity; it's, um, pretty close to the groin, so any visual attention to the stomach is lost because people keep dropping their eyes down instead. The chest is often emphasized on bodybuilders, so that draws attention the other direction. And, well, in a lot of...uh, favored furry male poses, you can't even SEE that area. :::koff:::
Essentially I'm just kinda putting this out wondering if anyone else out there cares (I mean REALLY cares, not just "oh...yeh, it's ok, mebbe") or not. :::shrug::: I'm a visual person so it's always nice to see if anyone has similar physical interests :::twirls pencil:::
And I won't deny it. I'm pretty much a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours type of person, and if you're looking for ways to get my attention, just putting this out as a starting point
If not, you can all go back to studying butts and paws
At any rate, I should be moving into my condo finally next week, and then hopefully I'll be back online more! And I can start clearing out my ridiculously long submission list ^ ^;;
Anyway, I'm just posting a tame little fetish minddump until I can get more art done.
So it's probably not escaped anyone's notice that I remove shirts from my characters as often as possible, while I tend to keep the rest of their bodies relatively clothed. And much of the reason why is, for lack of a better term, I have a bit of a tummy fetish =X
I don't mean that in nearly in...how do I put it, as actively nawtee as the term implies, but it's more than a passing interest. Sort of a first thing one notices on a guy at the beach, or which form of partial declothing would suddenly grab my attention. The area I'd be first to explore, and one I would spend a LOT of time exploring. Scritches, rubs, feeling up, the works. There's unquestionably some, er, ergoneous contexts, most of which I'm too shy to get into here, but it's not a necessity. And I could elaborate for quite awhile exactly *why* it's an interesting area to me (there's no bone, just flesh; it's a biologically vulnerable and sensitive area; it's a relatively "masculine" area just in terms of anatomical structure and emphasis; it's directly related to physical fitness, and you know my thoughts on fit guys; I actually once read a theory that the stomach my be unusually sensitive in male animals, because the classic "doggy-style" copulation pose means the male's underside gets a lot of contact with the female's back.)
But that's not my point. Basically, I'm just wondering why nobody ELSE seems to have any interest, or at least anywhere near as strong an interest.
I mean, everyone seems to focus on butts (FWIW, I'm not really a butt guy myself). Paw/foot fetishists are pretty much a dime a dozen. Female-favoring people often fixate on breasts and legs. Some people seem to like ears or tails, which I can at least understand in the context that it's an unusually emphasized area on furries. I even know a few folks who like underarms. And of course, there's the one male area I don't even think I NEED to mention.
But the area between the ribcage and hips may as well be just a spacefiller. Sure, some artists I know certainly draw very nice abs, but there's generally not much specific focus, it's merely one factor in general anatomical perfection. There's a good number of chubby/fat fans out there, but I have to admit I really much prefer a fit look (I'll note muscle + gut = HAWT, but there's a threshold).
So I've never quite understood why there's disinterest. My main theory is pure proximity; it's, um, pretty close to the groin, so any visual attention to the stomach is lost because people keep dropping their eyes down instead. The chest is often emphasized on bodybuilders, so that draws attention the other direction. And, well, in a lot of...uh, favored furry male poses, you can't even SEE that area. :::koff:::
Essentially I'm just kinda putting this out wondering if anyone else out there cares (I mean REALLY cares, not just "oh...yeh, it's ok, mebbe") or not. :::shrug::: I'm a visual person so it's always nice to see if anyone has similar physical interests :::twirls pencil:::
And I won't deny it. I'm pretty much a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours type of person, and if you're looking for ways to get my attention, just putting this out as a starting point
If not, you can all go back to studying butts and paws
At any rate, I should be moving into my condo finally next week, and then hopefully I'll be back online more! And I can start clearing out my ridiculously long submission list ^ ^;;
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I am huuuuuge on tummies. Midriffs, that whole general area, small of the back included. I mean, granted, we're talking different genders, but it's definitely my favorite part. Maybe because it's so tame and generally "okay" compared to everything else. Breasts, backside and groin make one a pervert, and tummy is wonderful and "safe", I suppose!
You make some interesting points about why you like 'em, and I dunno if I explained even half as well. I just support this motion, yer honor!
P.S. - A friend and I have this idea that a guy with abs would be uncomfortable to lie on/use as a pillow. If you've encountered such guys, maybe you didn't care or notice, or care to notice, but if you have any insight on that front, lemme know! I personally feel like it wouldn't be uncomfortable, but I can't say.
Like I said, you still need to see Transformers the Movie then XD The DVD had a bit of an interview with Megan Fox, and she was warned she'd be showing her midriff
Muscles still have to be flexed. If someone's lying down and relaxing, I think it's unlikely they'd be solid. But you do get jounced if they laugh
anyways thats the thing i ve noticed, but some artist focus in the chest more thant the thing who is lower the chest...
dont ask me im only practicing in that part too (specially doing little fatty and litle muscle)
The chest is where bodybuilders focus, so it's no surprise, I guess.
Keep working at it
but i like to see tummies and abs (and poking it too XD *pokes yours*)
is the most funny part of all and is warm ans hot XD also is better to see that than that down (and get labeled as sex pervert XD)
what in saying? *runs away*
Nothing wrong with perving once in awhile
Aww, come back
unless happens more than 3 times in arow XPU
in other news good luck with the moving to another place who i dont know *pokes again and runs away*
Should be moved in by this weeke-ACK! Why you little--! XD
And heck, I appreciate your own personal attention to that sort of thing.
We must talk XD
Some of the stuff you bring up seems interesting. Might explain why I'm so ticklish there myself, and on the torso in general.
Good luck with everything!
OMG, sixpacks. I don't think I've ever not taken a second look when a guy has one.
Heh, I was beginning to think I was in the wrong fandom for people to focus on it XD
Now now, you shouldn't give away info like that to bratty guys like me XD
Thx!
Whoops, too late. Oh well, I think I can live with it. c=
You're welcome!
Eh, like I said, there's a lot of focus on some parts, and often they're theones that are usually drawn differently from humans. But this thread makes me feel better.
So you think. :::cackle:::
Butts and erm... Other parts, are definitely nice too, though a nice set of abs will usually be at the forefront of my attention. ;)
I had often wondered the same thing, as i only know one other guy with a similar interest before seeing your journal, i just never put it out on here. :P
Thing is it's really hard for artists to draw other parts that don't compete with views of the abs XD
Who was he? We should all talk XD
Heh yeah, that's as good point as well, the colour change can often draw the eye's attention as well ^^ And yus, i can imagine it would be pretty hard not to distract people with other appendages when trying to draw attention to abs. XP
I agree! us Abaholics need to group together! The other guy's Jazzwolf, he's always been an ab fanatic XP
Especially when some guys draw 'em so, uh, said appendages pretty well BLOCK the abs XD
I remember Y! gallery allowed you create subgroups so people could watch/post together. Too bad they don't do that here.
Must look him up, thx! Dang lack of search function here. Mebbe later...
Aaah yeah, i remember that as well, it's a shame they banned furry stuff since it was a pretty well layed out site for that kinda thing. They should make abs one of the tags here instead XP
He draws em veeeery nicely, though there are usually those 'distractions' present in his gallery. He's still an admitted abaholic though. ^^
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jazzwolf
Man, I haven't looked at that site in years. I wonder what it's like now.
Ooh. Yes, a few, er, distractions, but he does show a bit of good bias in some pics XD Thx for the headsup!
Yus, i pretty much blanked it since it banned furry stuff as well. X3
Heh, anytime! His six-packs are always purrrr-worthy ;P
I do try and draw humans once in awhile, but lately haven't had the time.
:::purrs::: ^.^
Bleh, hope ya manage to get more time to yourself before long X3
Another lil thought occurred to me earlier that another thing i prefer about tums/abs is that it isn't always a sexual area, and it can be stroked or rubbed by others just as a friendly gesture, and doesn't necessarily mean anything (well, moreso in the furry community, anyway X3 ), and doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I went to my first furmeet earlier this year, knowing no one, though within about 5 minutes of getting there, there were random hands appearing out of no where to scritch me. I'll admit, it kinda freaked me out for the first like, 4 hours, but once i got used to it and everyone else was doing it, it really did make the whole atmosphere of the place more friendly, and i found myself returning them before too long.
I can't say that i've noticed they're ignored though. they seem to get about as much attention as anything else... well maybe not as much as that one part. [yeah that one e_e] but still pretty loved. :)
I dunno...it's like, with some pics, if you want a buttshot, you get a butt taking up 3/4 of the page. If you want cleavage, the girl is shown leaning forwards. If you want a pawshot, you get an awkwardly twisted unnatural pose to show the sole. I suppose anatomically it's not easy to REALLY have a pose that focuses strictly on the midsection, but the least they could do is draw clothing that emphasizes it as such. But that would involve certain artists drawing clothing ;-p
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/951646/
might be a lil thinner than your taste. ^^;
[and now I feel self centered since its a pic of me. e_e;]
Gwuh! That's you?! Oh my XD Ah, the lovely combo sentiment of desire to kiss up to hawtness + grumbly jealousy ;-p Mm, no, not too thin at all, deeefinitely not ^.^
<.< >.>
*poses and shows off just cause* ;3
No I suppose I don't. But I like where its going so far. ;3
And I never knew you've this fetish...
Well, can you tell looking back at my art now?
TUMMY ^.^
Now let's talk about what you meant..... *chuckle*
I like your style over others who draw beefed-up or muscular types, as you don't go overboard with definition =^.^=
.....just keep putting them in pants, n' nowt else, that's the way to keep us happy :P *nosebeeps*
Welllll, sometimes I like extra-sharp definition, but I generally keep my boys in underwear model range
Awww, just pants? Not even hats?
o.0 :::HONK:::
=^.^=
Heh, s'that related to your name?
That's plenty XD
I, however, Am a servant in many folds towards fetishes, I love to aide others get off to lose the tension.
I do Foreplay, Love it a whole lot and snugs, if you like rubbins lemme know and name a spot I'll prolly most likely will spend five whole minutes or more just doing that. Mainly their pleasure is my pleasure.
Just don;t be shy with what ya need I may seem scary and quiet but believe me.. I'm only quiet cause the other person is or I don't have anything to say.
You icon scaaaares me!
And yes, Hilliary scares all
thanks for sharing this little bit of yourself with all of us, dude =3
Heh, anytime. Like I said, I'm just trying to see who else agrees XD
Well, you've got one scarf-wearin' wuff on your tummy-luvin team
oh to put my face in that fuzzy sixpack of cody's...
And yanno, Siberian tiger tummy-fur has got to be INCREDIBLY warm and soft XD
and i suddenly realized my current desktop is incredibly on topic: http://kawayama.livejournal.com/7963.html
yes, i've had the same image on and off for the last four years.
And now that my commentary has meandered through drooling to technical, I go. :D
For some reason I've never been big on hyooge thighs, yet I REALLY love calves. S'why I tend to draw guys with loose shorts. Heh, it's probably something else I might list as a fetish, since virtually all my characters have big calves ^ ^;;
No no, technical is good
I usually don't go for faces, and absolutely not paws (they do revolt me very much). And when it comes to the groin....well, who doesn't likes to see that? :)
However, I really would see the guy as a whole, instead of just the "parts"...
Yeah, I'm still kinda repressed, so it's hard NOT to think about the, uh, other erotic connotations of the butts.
Not faces? Awww I do still look above the neck.
Oh, of course, but like I said...it's a good place to START
And nipples shouldn't be visible on male furries, because of the fur. And they shouldn't be there on reptiles...but no-one realized that
You're repressed? My...I hope then you will find soon the way to start your inner fire soon. I've heard that repressed people turn into total sluts after that
My problem is that I really don't find human faces very attractive. I still have to find yet a guy who would make my engine run with its face as well as his body.
I still like furries alot more. Guys like Cody would definitely would do it. Or Doug. Or both at the same time
Not Jake, though *breaks out the Jake-repellent spray*
Heh, I doubt it. I talk big, but I'm still really shy.
No whey o.0 NOBODY? Or...do you just mean you can't find a beefy guy with the right type of face? I can understand how it's hard to get both right
Awwww. But...but...he's so CUTE!
You don't know. If Cody was able to lose control and slam Doug against the wall, then you probably can too...
We still have to wait if someday Doug loses it, and tackles Cody to the bed, rips all his clothes and...well, you know...the thing we all fans if i.s.o. have been waiting to see happens...
I've seen some very hot bodies, but so far, no interesating faces (at least for me). Maybe I'm being obssesive about finding the perfect guy..maybe I'm in denial...or maybe I'm just not into humans at all, and instead I just drool at furries only...
No, he's not! Cody and Doug are, but not Jake!
*sprays Jake*
I have to admit...initially I think I mostly got into furries because I was in denial. I was like "well, that character is kinda hot, but it's a cartoon character that doesn't exist, therefore, I'm not really gay. ~.~ " It took awhile to accept that yes, I do like humans XD So your mileage may vary, but see where it goes in time
So...what are you spraying Jake with? J/K XD
I never denied what I am. Actually, I grew up gay and it was totally normal for me, except that I did know it wasn't :)
I always liked more non anthro chracters than normal humans, but I realized they were "furries" in the mid '99s. Of course, I got into them "that way" after a very vivid dream... :)
Jake is being sprayed with SenkoLKE's ANTI-JAKE REPELLENT. Now in both spray and cream form. Order now! :)
I tend to like the chest more, though.
Well, all-body is good too XD
But...er, he does? I poked through his gallery, not sure. I find it harder to tell when most of the characters aren't wearing anything
Yeah, like the rest of the entry says. As soon as I get my life back, I'll consider it...
As I said, musclebears DEFINITELY welcomed.
:::squeeze::: ^.^
:::peeks at your gallery::: Hmm, yes, I definitely see some of that
The problem is I very seldom get any RL experience on the matter My answer to most of those questions is I WISH I KNEW; ANY TAKERS???
Are you drunk or something? XD
I know we had talked of it before but I didn't know it would end up on FA o.O;;
I dunno , I'm sure other people like tummies as well , I'm not that much into butts
I have this whole "bad boy" obsession .
like a guy will TOTALLY turn me on if he looks remotely like a rough tough and all that stuff bad boy ^_^;;
Well, like I said, this is the tame side of it I'm talking about here. I'm not going totally in-depth about it
Oh YES me likey badboyness ^.^ Did you see the guy Zookee posted in the "Real life Cody/Doug" thread? Yeees. Oh HECK YES ^.^
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oh great, I got expositiony again.
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Long live the tummies!! 8D
Mmm, Marty ^.^ Heh, I like Burt's body, but I'm not as fond of pandas...because with their markings it always looks like they're wearing a shirt
Yeah, Rodney's past my threshhold too.
Yeeeeeeeeeeees. :::eyes yours:::
There are a few muscley areas that don't do much for me- butts and the lower back, for example. Generally, I know the names of the muscles in the areas I like.
I can't read that, it's spelled too correctly XD
Yeah, but I have to go with correct spelling since that's how the caption is written.
Heh, cool, though I do love muscle + gut a BUNCH
Lately it's been a battle between the two, it really depends on my mood. Guts are winning lately o.0
But think about the tummy a bit more :::nudgenudge:::
Thx!
May as well take both then, right? ^.^
Haha, best of both worlds, eh?
Abs? RAWR XD
Yep. I is greedy! ^.^
But I have a slightly different take on it...
*Ahem*
I enjoy the muscle + Gut look as well.
But why?
Here's the simple idea.
If you think about it... wouldn't the perfect hunter/provider have a little weight around the mid section? But still have a great body? I mean if he's always catching food and eating then of course he'd have a gut.
Anyway there's my little tid bit. Feel free to burn it or add it in.
Ciao
Apparently I'd be a terrible hunter o.0
Kinda like I'd never eat at fast food restaurant with skinny people working at it. lol
As the saying, (I just made up) goes..... "If its good, it shows."
Done with Monty python references~
My opinion on why people really don't pay much dedicated attention to the mid-section is due to it's ability to change. For example most of the things people do pay attention to "get huge", legs get huge, pectorals get huge, arms get huge, legs get huge, unmentionables get huge, butts get huge, and that hugeness for the most part is believable in both a muscular context and a fat context.
The midsection though, if it does gets huge and muscular, looks fake, or fat. That means for people who like muscle , the midsection would not be interesting in and of itself because of its lack of potential muscular development, once you have a good middle that's it, there is no "well it was 15 inches a year ago, I'm working on getting them up to 17 inches this year" like there is for arms, once you have abs, that's it, unless you get a gut.
I think that supporting this would be the entire belly fetish theme. A belly gets big and fat, and can get bigger and fatter, it has development potential that is independent of other body parts, and you see lots of content that focuses on the size and shape of that belly exclusively. However, healthy midsection's don't really have a distinct size and/or shape, thus they become uninteresting, getting lumped in with pectorals, or crotch area, or sometimes a side profile where the focus is on the muscles like the obliques running along the sides of the body.
By george, I think he's got it :-D That TOTALLY makes sense. Although I can't say I'm happy that it's been explained, cuz now I'll never convert anyone else x.x
:::pouts a bit:::
Oh well. More for me. ^.^
Face I find hard to categorize because it varies so differently by style; whereas if the anatomy is good, muscles are generally fairly consistent.
I think this just means that devotees of the belly are more secretive about the object of their desire. The midsection must be stalked stealthily, or it will flee!
Maybe it's cuz I'm known to be such a tease XD
:::sneak sneak sneak...POUNCE!:::
The vast majority of the people on my wathch list pretty much fit the bill But I'd have to say if you're looking for fairly reasonable examples, the top three I'd probably recommend:
:icon kensukethecat: :icon cooner: :icon ivybeth: :icon panchi-tiger: :icon spunky:
Let's see if I biffed the html formatting. Lemme know what you think
Personally I've never seed a great ass and never really focused on the groin IRL [while clothed] but a nice stomach and overall good shape [no need to be fit, just healthy, and certainly not so bulked there are veins *shudder*] get's my attention.
I just think a six pack is like saying automatically "hot" to most people myself included. I mean have you ever seen a person with a nice set of abs that wasn't at least somewhat attractive?
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Dude. If you're ever at a con, we need to go guywatching together. XD
I heart hearing things like that XD Esp the last point! A sixpack always somehow exudes confidence...maybe a little bit of vanity, but in a good way. Which is just sexy by default :-D
We must talk more XD
Yeah... when you got a set of abs like that you don't tend to have issues not wearing shirts... My brother is one of those it seems. But yeah abs just say "I've worked hard for this, and it shows" and with that kind of confidence it's hard not to like a person.
If you want to talk for real, my YIM is riverwolf54@yahoo.com, and if not there well I'm on here to talk to, but thanks, glad you find me interesting to talk to.