To artists: Why I don't Weasyl
13 years ago
General
Watchers/commissioners are not allowed to post copies of the pieces they paid for. Instead, they can only link to the artist's post, and then only if given permission by the artist.
This becomes a problem if the artist ever removes the post or rescinds permission. It also denies the commissioner the ability to feel in control of their own gallery.
There are also restrictions on posting commissioned pictures made by artists who are not members of Weasyl.
And of course, even if an artist *is* a member, watchers can't post pictures made by that artist before they joined - unless the artist goes to the trouble of uploading old art and giving the required permission.
Overall it is a site that I would prefer to avoid. I have commissioned over 90 paid pieces for my character through FA. I doubt I will ever commission a piece through Weasyl.
This becomes a problem if the artist ever removes the post or rescinds permission. It also denies the commissioner the ability to feel in control of their own gallery.
There are also restrictions on posting commissioned pictures made by artists who are not members of Weasyl.
And of course, even if an artist *is* a member, watchers can't post pictures made by that artist before they joined - unless the artist goes to the trouble of uploading old art and giving the required permission.
Overall it is a site that I would prefer to avoid. I have commissioned over 90 paid pieces for my character through FA. I doubt I will ever commission a piece through Weasyl.
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According to Paragrah I.A.2 on Weasyl Community Guidelines:
"Original Content Collections: If a particular work has been uploaded to the site and was created for you, includes you, or features one of your characters, then the original uploader should offer it to you as a collection. If the original creator does not have an account on Weasyl, you may post the work to your submissions gallery."
Emphasize the should in the first part of that paragraph, as a reccomendation, but not as a requirement.
And I do see anywhere else in the guideline where it is against the rules to post the images even if the original artist has an account on Weasyl.
If the artist doesn't have a Weasyl account, then the art can be posted - but the Weasyl guidelines urge the commissioner to try to persuade the artist to join Weasyl.
In that case, what happens to the user's right to post that picture? Now it's outside the rules, unless the artist uploads and approves it. Popular artists who join Weasyl would have to upload hundreds of old images and assign collection rights for each one individually. I don't see many doing that.
Overall, I think it's a lot more trouble than it's worth.
"We ask that you attempt to use our collections system, however if this is not possible for some reason you may upload it to your regular gallery."
The collections system is there for the sole reason of reducing duplicates on their site to save bandwidth. If the image is not in an artists gallery, you have every right to upload it yourself, provided the artists gave you rights to the image when you commissioned them. The whole reason it's worded like that is to try to encourage people to make sure they have the artists permission, and to make sure it's not something already on their site.
If you have any questions about their policies, they're very friendly people! Just pop an e-mail over to weasyl.sysop[AT]gmail.com
I get the feeling that this is a case of a software engineer's pride getting in the way of legal reality. I can imagine how it might've happened: someone was really proud of their fancy gallery-sharing feature, thought it would end all redundant "new submission" messages and save them disk space, and is trying to force everyone to play along.
I can understand wanting to avoid redundant data in their system, but that should be done behind the scenes (i.e. image similarity search), not by putting stupid demands on users that curtail commissioners' rights.
The goal is to encourage people to use that feature where they can, not to restrict people in what they can submit themselves.
I agree that this is better done on the back end. Hopefully they have something in the pipeline to hash check submissions and suggest matched collections. This is however a somewhat complicated task to accomplish effectively because you either have to upload the whole file and have the server check it, or download an applet that checks it on your end in the browser before sending it to the server. Both require bandwidth overhead. One requires more server processing load, and the other requires a lot of complicated coding and scripting integration that could contribute to site bloat. An heuristic image comparison would require a LOT of server processing load, and so wouldn't be practical, not to mention may throw false matches when variant images or different resolutions are involved.
As long as one party can exert asymmetric control over the file there's a problem. Even if that's unavoidable, the policy decision to make that party the artist is directly in conflict with US copyright law, since commissions constitute works for hire and are the property of the commissioner(s).
I personally am waiting for them to flesh out their written submission features before I really make use of the site, but I think it has a lot of promise.
A little bit of clever software could achieve the same effect, without ever bothering users. This method is just dumb and intrusive.
You can always contact them directly or suggest it as a feature, and see where they go with it. They seemed pretty receptive to suggestions on their forums from what I've seen.
Anyway just my 2c.
I have no stake in this, other than not wanting to have to subscribe to many different sites just so I can follow my favourite artists. Maintaining this gallery and keeping track of who I've commissioned to do what, is already enough work. XD