You should mention that buy me, for me thing to the admins on both FA and if you have an account on Weasyl. Maybe you should mention that to them as well. The site is still in Beta so that means there's still lots of room for change and they have listened to the people that posted there so far before it was open beta. So it couldn't hurt. Surprised no ones thought of something like that till now, or if they had I've never seen it mentioned till you.

I make a point of posting commissioned art of my character only in my scraps section, and then almost always at a reduced resolution or shrunken size so people have the incentive to check out the artist's original.

I've tried to do just that with the pics drawn for me

Woulfe by abcxyz for the name of the pic, some I've blanked on as I forgot who did them, but 90% are named that way so there's that at least

i think this is an excellent idea!

Eh, never seemed like a problem; there are very few cases where a commissioner gets more attention for their pic than the artist. Besides with the really good commissions its easy to argue that the pic was great because of the commissioner's idea, not just the skills of who drew it. And don't forget those comics. But I agree that if you commission a pic, you have to give credit to the artist.

Dismissing something that's problematic as "not a problem" prevents a forward-moving attitude.

I interpret this as "eh, it's good enough, why bother addressing."

The real point im trying to make is if this is even a real problem, which I don't think it is. I don't see it as a problem, others may agree with me and some may not.

Agreed. It's not a problem for most of us, and both FA and Weasyl have glaring problems elsewhere in their upload policy that need addressing.

Just strikes me as more of a preference than a problem.

As regards art I done it a pretty small number of times, but normally combine several pics from different artists into a collage with links to the original pics included.
I do it quite often with photos of my suit, though. Then again, unless you let someone else wear your suit, it's pretty difficult to take photos of yourself.

i have never thought of it that way but you have a point duncan. there should be different ways to submit art so people know who did it
luckily for me i label all the art done for me as it was done by someone else and not me

I think a good thing would be for the commissionner to reduce the quality/size of the picture before uploading it and give credit to the original artist with a link to the original submission. So the viewers would be 'forced' to check the original submission to enjoy the normal quality.

I like this idea; it would help simplify how commissions are handled - especially since some users go to great lengths to label everything accurately. Sometimes they go so far that it detracts from the submission, itself.

Perhaps there should be a third option that existing submissions are set to be default (and leave it up to the users to change to 'by me / for me' at their convenience.

I see some users just stampeding the system with "contraband" pics regardless. Gonna be some busy ferrets... :)

I only upload art from other artists when the artists are either not on FA, or never uploaded it themselves (like when they do it right in my sketchbook). And I upload that art to a separate "commissions/gift art" account on FA and credit them in the description.

The rules say that we must credit the original artist when we post their work. I notice that some do not provide proper credit. Some never make it clear if they drew something or if someone else did. That's annoying when I can't tell who actually did the art. I agree, there should be a "for you" and "by you" choice in the submission process. It should not move forward with a "for you" submission, until an original artist name is supplied.

I personally give credit, thanks and a link back to the original artist, and also a link to their own submission, it they've uploaded it too. I also suggest that if people fave the copy on my page, that they go and do the same for the original. That stuff should be common sense, but sometimes isn't for people.

It's really a design issue, as you've pointed out. There's good reasons to include By:<username>, For:<username>, and Of:<username> tags, in order to properly give credit where credit is due.

The cons listed on the top reply explain a lot of why sites try to minimize those sorts of relationships -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/.....h-foreign-keys

It's a flaw, yes, but the proposed functionality doesn't come cheap for relatively simple and non-scaling sites like FA. Weasyl might have better luck implementing it if scalability was a forethought during its construction.

That's pretty much the same reason, why I never uploaded any art done for me, even though I'd love to... simply to have all my art on one public place. But people watching me for art that I didn't create, didn't seem right to me... I don't blame anyone who does it though, as I can understand the reasons for it.
I actually pondered about creating a second account just for my commissioned work...

The by me / for me section seems like a great idea though and if that would be changed, I'd definitely use it.

I agree that the idea you propose is a better system, but as it stands now, it's still FA's RULES that you HAVE to credit work that isn't yours. If you come across someone that fails to do that, you can report them. I've done this in the past.

A conversation I had with an artist recently came to a fairly similar conclusion (though we were specifically talking about Weasyl, FA is not immune to such change proposals ... just extremely resistant ;)).

It gets a little trickier with collaborations. The "by me" option would seem most appropriate still, but it would need to have fields allowing the artist to reference other contributing artists. Perhaps a sub-choice of "collaboration"?

I agree that the lack of any standard or enforceable method for crediting the artist and referencing the original is a major oversight. I also agree that FA is "first and foremost for the artists" -- one need only look at the facts that "by submitter" is auto-appended to every submission, and that "© submitter" appears at the bottom of every submission, even if the submitter is NOT the creator, and/or NOT the © owner.

I try to compensate for this when I re-post my commissions by consistently adding "-- by artist" to the subject, and giving them :icon: and © attribution and a link to the original in every submission description. It's not perfect, of course. And not everyone who re-posts is as diligent (see previous paragraph). But when I ask for permission to do so (sometimes they ask me!), the response I invariably get from artists (with rare exceptions) is, "Yes, please repost!". Even though FA's inherent design is pro-artist, much like Weasyl's, if reposting makes the artist happier, I am quite happy to oblige them. If re-posting makes the artist unhappy, I don't do it. It's rare, but it has happened.

I commission artists quite a lot--which might seem obvious, but someone recently told me they thought all my submissions were freebies (!!)--and while that in itself is very helpful to the artists, in a lot of cases their queue would fill up just fine without me, and someone else's picture would be up on their gallery. I love artists, I love art, and I love commissioning art, but I have no illusions that the amount of art I commission is some sort of significant boon on its own. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether I commission them or someone else does -- they benefit just the same. As a patron, what I can bring to the table to help the artist even more than just a commission is exposure. Some portion of my watchers will not have seen the artist before, and will discover them through my commission re-post. In some cases, I have more watchers than the artist does, so this signal boost can really help them out. In truth, any commissioner who re-posts submissions "properly" will bring this benefit.

The only harm I see in re-posting is when it's done sloppily, and without proper credit. Your notion of a "by me/for me" form structure, along with some required fields and consequences for miscategorization (submission removal, probably), would be a powerful tool toward minimizing the opportunity for such potential harm.

This is what watermarks are for. You put it on your art piece, everyone knows who made it, no matter who uploads it. Quite a few people do it, but not everybody, sadly.

Not my point.

Sorry! :x I must have mis-read something...

Solution searching for a problem. Further complicating the upload system doesn't really help, it fucks over collabs (think all comics ever), and likely won't help identify artists that well because they move accounts or aren't on FA or whatever.

FA was meant as X at initiation. Why do you fight to not let it expand and grow into something broader than X?