Have you submitted an entry to Artist Beware on this artist?

http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/

But she gave me a refund instead. Does it still work?

you can report her for bad customer service, how she made you wait so long. show A and B i guess.

That should be fine, you weren't happy in the end.

By posting on Artist-Beware, you're basically letting the community know how she treated you as a customer. You could read some submissions beforehand to get an idea on how the community is.

perhaps they are going through emotional issues.

Her quote:
After a lot of consideration and considerable frustration in trying to work out a sketch, I have sadly come to the conclusion that it is best to offer a refund for your commission.

I got nothing but a refund.

in other words, she tried sketching your picture and after being frustrated enough and unable to give you whatever you wanted they offered you a refund.

All you are expected to get at that point is the refund itself, just sounds like the artist was unable to deliver what was commissioned. Things like that happen, its not uncommon for a artist to get so frustrated with the work that they give up or cant achieve the results wanted.

I tried to give her an entirely new character with totally different details, but she rejected. I think she just does not want to draw for me.

you think, but you don't know, and with this journal I can pretty much guarantee they wont work for you now.

Sometimes artist hit a extremely frustrating point, and if they cant even develop a sketch for you then they are at a wall, maybe they cant get excited about your work, or your characters, or maybe they are just in a art block.

The fact remains you got a refund, where as most commissioners sometimes don't even get that, and if they do the least they get is half of the money with the words " I sketched your picture, that was enough of my time wasted so I took half the money."

If she really becomes like that, how can she finish  alty’s Krystal? I hate that rich sun of beach.

The same reason why some people can get excited over idea A and are able to just smash it out and for some reason cant get B to flow correctly, its a process and it is never 100% to come out all the time, even I am having trouble working on a commission right now because every sketch I do refuses to show what I need it to show. I cant speak for the artist, only sumerize how the artist process is, for some its very fickle, some not, some are more productive, some are not.

Also take into consideration people have life's and events happening in them.

But I am done here, the moment somebody starts complaining about somebody else commissioning lots cause they have money is where I just make my own conclusions and go about my day.

I know she has her own life so I waited for her 3 months. But don’t I have my life? I spent much much time on designing this artwork, and she just destroyed what I have done.

I'm not normally one to be biased over such issue, but that here draws me to your side.

Saying you hate the guy, though, justified as it may be (I rather hate what he does to what once was a character and now is merely an object), isn't proper procedure.

I hate them because they take too many chances from poor people and make the price higher.

The artist? You mean, they're overcharging?

Or are you referring to Alty, and something I can't quite tell?

I meant those rich commissioners. They almost buy one artwork each day.

That's their money they're throwing away - and not on art. On porn, mostly.

And that British artist just prefers boring artworks rather my well-developed commission. Not fair.

Personal taste, I say. It is their preference, although frankly, I share your opinion up until the "fair" part.

Wow. I did absolutely NOTHING to you.

Stop being whiny and causing drama. Also, learn to abide by the artist's ToS. Nuff said.

I agree with Cross-Fox submit an entry to Artist Beware on this artist.

who? What is the name of the artist? PM me if you do not want to tell here

At least you got a refund. I hate paying up front, been screwed too many times. I still haven't gotten a refund from one particular person who quit the fandom then came back not too long ago.

I second that

I have been screwed way too often by artists in this fandom.

Honestly, I would tread very carefully.

Any artist is well within their right to decline and cancel a commission if they feel they can't do the piece justice.

Think of it this way, would you want to work on something you ever couldn't do justice, or if it made you uncomfortable.

I highly doubt it.

Personally it sounds like, and this can be confirmed by your comments, that you are taking this as some kind of personal vendetta, when really its not.

As for submitting to AB.

Why, the artist has done nothing wrong.

You have your money back, you can use it to find an artist that feels they can do the work justice.

Seems logical to me.

Does justice mean that an artist can delay 3 months then suddenly deny?

Actually yes, it is entirely up to the artist.

Especially if the commission information changes after payment.

How can furry fandom give artists so much freedom? Companies have to pay a refund and some bonus when they delay and have to cancel.

No they don't.

Companies never have to pay a bonus.

Check your information and stop throwing a hissy fit because an artist was uncomfortable drawing your commission or couldn't do it justice.

It happens.

Grow up and deal with it.

If she is uncomfortable, she should deny in 2012. No major change after she accepted all details.

They don't have to pay a bonus and even can sometimes just say fuck you and steal your work.

I had some of my work floating out there in part to a large company back when I was a naive youth and there was flat out nothing that could be done about it because my "submission" to them "to ask for work" was me submitting my personal work for unpaid use.

No worries meower, You got to learn there is loads of hell in life.

I hope you do not mean all British Artists in this Meow and I known you have the Right to be angry at the artist who did that to you but for how your journal is titled it seems like you are angry at all British Artist which I do not think is fair as I am a British Artist and I would gladdly take a Com from any one if they liked my work and understood it the process that I go through to get it how I invision it

I use artist instead of artists.

I'm not certain whats worse. Saying the artist was unreasonable after you violated the terms of agreement by altering the commission outside of the contracted terms and got mad when you were told you were going to be refunded for it, or calling the artist British.

HA! Nicely Said!

I stand corrected, the artist informs me of their identification of being British among other known nationalities.

Fair enough XD

Are you her friend? She just told you lies.

No she did not, stop making things up its only making you look really bad.

You don’t watch me, how do you get my journals? You have watched her and even watched her friend yesterday... Could you explain this?

Any particular reason why you are monitoring my account activity?

I could explain it, however I am sure you would just end up turning it into a personal vendetta.

Who I watch, when I watch them is, to be frank with you, none of your business.

Neither is any of my connections to said people.

However I will say this. Be careful, and make sure you get your story straight. You really are treading a very fine line and making yourself out to be a whiny little kid with an inferiority complex.

Just be happy you got your refund, find another artist to do the work and let it drop. It would be better for all involved when you think about it. You get your art, and everyone can put this to rest.

Can’t I visit a member’s profile? I don’t plan to post anything on Artists Beware, unless she continues insulting me in the future. Also, I never insult her.

Calling her "shameless" and "the worst artist ever" surely counts as an insult?

I was saying the truth after getting insulted.

You were not insulted.

You are throwing a hissyfit.

There is a difference, grow up.

I cannot unveil my emails.

You don't need to.

I honestly think you should, especially the one where you sent her pornography.

There is no pornography in the emails at all.

Actually yes there was.

You really have no right to complain.

It means that I really need to make my emails publicly, as some people keep lying and lying.

Meow, I have had it.

I will post here what I posted to you on your G+ just now. I am sick of your nasty accusations.

"You need to get a bloody grip. I'm not evil, I've not sent any spies or traitors (how on earth do you even get that conclusion? Do you even know what those words mean?) to your journals, though a few of my friends know how STRESSED and upset you have made me in the past days, and I know they have commented on the nasty things you are saying about me. Why don't you accept your refund, accept that I don't want to work with you and MOVE ON. Or perhaps tell your followers the full story about how you changed from wanting Meow with a normal body type to wanting her with hyper-sized proportions -which I have in my Terms of Service that I do not draw? Or how you contacted old friends of mine to tell them what a "crisis" I caused you by politely telling you I wasn't able to make the sketch work for you? Or how you sent me, without any warning or good reason, large explicit photographs of a vagina by email? Do you realise that's offensive to send to someone? Maybe you just want to be the victim though, targetted by the "evil" artist who won't draw your porn. GET OVER IT. The evil artist tried her fucking best, btw."

I could expand this, and YES I can certainly post the emails where you sent me that photo, and anything else I've written. You know I have behaved with nothing but professionalism to you. I have been polite to you even despite everything, right up until you started contacting my old friend telling him what a crisis I was causing you (how did you even get his details? What kind of digging did you do to find those? I don't think I want to know!) at which point I told you that our communications were over.

I wanted this just to be over, but you apparently do not. It is childish and silly at this point.

If it violates your terms, why didn’t you deny at first? As you did not deny, I thought you just do not my like my character. We have talked about details for long time, I did never expect that you would suddenly deny.

You wanted details so I sent you two pictures—Céline Dion and a model’s bottom bikini from the Wicked Weasel website. If this is porn, the latest drawing you posted on Fur Affinity also is.

Yes, I begged you to draw because I really love your artworks, but was I impolite in emails? No, I almost bent down myself for letting you draw again for me, yet I never did it to anyone before.

Did you know why I sent a note her? I just wanted to share my mind to her, and I never wanted to say something bad on you. But you and she totally misunderstood what I meant— I just held a little hope for another chance from you. Crisis meant that I would never get that drawing. That is all.

You still do not know what the problem really is, but I don’t care. I give up.

Again, I'll cross post here for the reference of others reading.

"You wrote me an email saying that the body type would be different from the reference provided, and natural. You provided me measurements, which I checked and approved. You later decided you wanted the body type to be the same as in the original reference - that is hyper. It is not natural. And it's in my ToS that I don't do it. Still I tried to draw it for you, but was not able to complete anything satisfactory. It is OUTSIDE my comfort zone.

Honestly if you don't see why the vagina picture is woah NSFW and pornographic, I don't think there's much helping you. I open the email in my client, I am faced with "re-read the description because it's changed" (weblink) (HUGE PHOTO OF WET VAGINA) with no warning. My boyfriend's parents were visiting that day. That's out of order. But did I even complain to you? No. It just raised issues in dealing with you that led me to decline to go for your second request - POLITELY. But you wanted to demonize me for that polite decline. Now we need to publicly have people read all this dirty laudry, which they didn't even need to. But you had to have it this way.

And again, if you don't see what's wrong with your email to me guilting me, and contacting friends of mine, then that is your problem. I think any artist would be shocked and angry at your actions. You should evaluate them instead of trying to cause fuss and drama.

This could have ended peacefully, as I wanted it to when I gave you a full refund and apology for not bringing your wishes to life. Think on that, perhaps."

Yes I did offer a reference for you, and you said that is unnatural. I adopted your opinion and accepted your version. What is wrong with this?

I treated you honestly that I gave anything best for this commission for satisfying you. You can draw a naked Krystal artwork, why couldn’t you take a look at a reference? Whether it is porn or not, you should always look at pictures seriously. I never gave you anything porn.

If I did something that you felt uncomfortable, why didn’t you mention at first? The commission was designed especially for you, so you could tell me your good or bad opinions all the time. Well you didn’t.

The only thing I did wrongly is that I still held a hope for making you draw for me again. I should not admire any artist too much in the future.

>Yes I did offer a reference for you, and you said that is unnatural. I adopted your opinion and accepted your version. What is wrong with this?
>If I did something that you felt uncomfortable, why didn’t you mention at first? The commission was designed especially for you, so you could tell me your good or bad opinions all the time. Well you didn’t.

You are contradicting yourself. You know I expressed concern and discomfort, particularly when it came to moving into hyper territory, as you mention in the first quote. When you later decided you wanted them just like the ref, which you originally said was not the case, I tried to go along with your wishes. This is why I was not able to produce satisfactory work - hence a refund was the professional option. Your large objection was that I would not accept further modifications to the concept and do a second commission. It was my right to decline this, and I have given you some (but not all - I don't believe all of this needs to be put out in public) of my reasons.

As for wet vagina closeup photos not being porn, well, I don't even know. I guess all I can say is "yes, they are" and no it is not comparible to drawing a tasteful nude pinup. I think most people could agree with me on this one. A lesson for the future perhaps would be to provide a link to the image marked NSFW instead, so that people know and can choose what they view rather than just having it splash up onscreen unexpectedly.

I am glad to see you have decided to move on from this and hope that you can do so without further drama or accusations, and with an understanding that I did not refund you or refuse your second commission to be "selfish" "shameless" "evil" "uncaring" or whatever else to you.

Things are over. Everything has changed. I still love your artworks, but I know I cannot let you draw for me anymore. I should have known any risk in last November, but I didn’t.

I am so sorry for this situation. We both lost.

An artist can decline a commission if it's outside their comfort zone, they can decline a commission for any reason they wish. It seems like you persisted at the artist to get the slot, knowing they don't do the style of work you like and after you'd paid tried to coax them into doing something they didn't like. That with the porn email and the persistent harassment in these journals had made me quite certain that you are firmly in the wrong. I actually think this is also classed as a call out journal, despite not having a name and being belittling, and name calling.

Just because an artist draws tasteful nudity doesn't mean they will draw your porn or other fetishes. You should really, -really- read the artists ToS first before commissioning.

The artist was polite, declined your commission. You got your money back. Move on with your life.

You still do not know the progress. I do not want to explain anymore.

Yet people are supposed to "boycott" based on your say so? :/