Xeon ftw

Quite a lot of ram indeed

AMD server cpus have more cores and are better designed for multitasking though. Intels are mainly for top end gaming rigs and top in work stations with hyper threading enabled. btw im not a fan boy of either i use both

OH my god, all that ram. . .


How Wonderbar~ <3

Whoa Whoa, wait really?

Dual quad core... I need new pants

16GB of RAM costs about $60 right now. c.c

luulz, i have 32g ram in my computer. ^^ its nice to have, and im sure its even better for servers. Never hosted one, but i would guess its something extremely necessary. XD

Mine's 48gb of ram. Still far less than what the new servers EACH have, but then I'm not running a server like this. :P

Funny how such large numbers these days are tiny in comparison to human needs.

XD, yeah, mines just in my desktop, im not sharing with anyone or running a server or anything. just personal 32g ram. XD

Excuse me, but... why?

Why not?

There's no reason not to, sure.

But it has absolutely no use. Even if you were doing everything possible to raaaaape your computer, you'd never be able to use more than, like, 12GB. >_> That's a lot of empty money being spent.

It was actually cheaper than 8ram, lol, was on sale hardcore

Seriously? Lucky, dude. ;-; I'm jealous.

:p just caught it at tge right time, I guess

Is it off brand ram? x3

no its corsair.

Why're you jealous? You just finished saying that was more RAM than any one person could ever use. :p

The one thing I find is that, being a male - bigger numbers are always cool even if they're impractical.

Except when it's a price tag or taxes.

I only have 8GB and so far nothing I do pushes THAT amount o-o

I wish I had my old server back... ;n;

My computer only has 12GB of RAM installed. Though it does run a hex core Xeon so its pretty much instant at everything regardless. :)

I would upgrade to 16GB, but because its a Xeon system I'm stuck using ECC memory (though, tbh, I wouldn't have it any other way in a performance system). 8GB of Kingston ECC Value RAM (aka, the cheap stuff) is currently on sale on Amazon for a whopping $85.

The good stuff is alarmingly more expensive, with 4GB DDR2 1066MHz selling for an astronomical $78 a pop!

I just remember when I built my current desktop years ago, I didn't realize that 4GB of RAM was going to be woefully inadequate soon.

See there's the thing with mine. I don't have a single core with more than 10gb of ram. I have 8 cores with just over 6gb of ram a piece. With most games these days only making use of up to 2 cores, that's up to 12gb of ram usable by any one thing. While that's more than plenty, the other cores manage other things so unless I'm really pointlessly running as much as I can on my computer, none of the cores should have all of their ram in use at any one time.

Finally, someone who gets it.

Sorry about the late response; I just found this post. But I beg to differ. I have 16GB of RAM, and there have been times that I found myself wishing I had more.

It may be a special use case, but as a developer, I virtualize Linux, as well as Android. I could easily burn through 32GB, or even 48GB, of RAM.

Shoot, my minecraft server (which isn't hosted on my main computer, but in a data center) takes up 16GB by itself.

personally running 32 and 16 in a ram drive dedicated as "swap" so it's effectively 48 with a slight speedpenalty when hitting the 32 GB barrier. It's nice to have when running more than one VM. Successfully have run 8 VMs plus guest OS with no slowdown.

I'ma have to introduce you to KRONOS XD

I have 32GB, too. Nothing uses it though. No game will utilize more than 8GB, and most won't touch 4GB still. Even Photoshop doesn't use that much. Still, I got on it sale and ridiculously cheap, so... no complaints. =3

same, I've always had more ram than i "needed" but I feel better safe than sorry, plus having it on sale? cant beat that! my laptop had 16, and i figured, eh, why not upgrade when i get my deskie. XD

I'm running, skype, livestream, photoshop, a billion windows, wowcrack and vlc (or wmp, depending) and not a single issue. ^^ its niiiice.

But if you have ZFS...

Seriously, use ZFS.

I just built a new VM server with 384GB of RAM. <3

For gaming performance it's all about ram speed and CAS Latency for CPU rendering :P

Now this is a server! Upto 2TB yes 2TB of ram. Supports 8 cpus with upto 10 cores each x3 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005B1AP2Q

and it also costs double the money they had to work with for a bare bones, Not including the CPUs, RAM, Drives, Or OS.
That being said that's a sweet piece of hardware.

Next to no one buys servers like that. For that money and that kind of performance you are far better off going with a Blade Chasis.

Wowww 32. I have 4 >_> Much lagg is had.

That is a LOT of power... Good thing for the servers! Will greatly improve the site.

If its 64GB for a database server then I'd be very careful with your MySQL configuration. 64GB can be run into the floor increadibly easilly with a high load database. Please tell me you wont just leave the configuration at the default and actually taylor the threads, connections, memory allocation etc. to suit. :P

It's not that much RAM, not when you're talking about large servers. The place I work recently got 1TB of RAM for caching streamed apps (applications that are streamed down from a server to a thin-client, as opposed to being installed and ran locally).

Finn and Jake FTW

best server names ever.

Awesome

I aprove ot these server names so hard man! <3

I was expecting something else, I suppose this is good too :I

Budgets, computers, 8X Seagate 300GB 15K drives, you know...

ADVENTURE TIME with Finn and Jake

Mathematical!

Sweet babies that's expensive!

Hooray, it only took ~7 months to fix the slowness!

That's actually faster than it took my ISP to fix to slowness due to overloading in my area. Took them almost a year. During peak hours (5pm to 1am connection would go from 10mbps to about 1mbps with 500 ping to a server that was less than 20 miles away)

To be fair that is probably a considerably more complex problem to fix.

fixing a network vs fixing a server.

One of them is me im very busy! thank U for fixing it

Those names

What time is it!?!

Addddventure Time!

You bet it is! XD

So what part is going to be named Bimo.. cause honestly, part of the tech system should be named after the game system XD

And that's "BMO"

Ahhyeah, sorry bout that.

And phonetically spelled Beemo.

Cool :3 'Big fan of the first few seasons. Haven't seen much of the newer ones other then a few, and those weren't all that good, though they were animated in the style of being an alternate universe. I hope the newer ones are as good (or better) then the first few seasons ;_;

Either way, congrats on the new systems and glad to hear things are stable :D

I saw "Adventure Time" and thought of the TV show.

wow what an odd thing to think of.

I know, and I don't even like that show. x.x

Welp

I'm dying

nice way to get me to click on that update link.

agreed.

Keep them alive! :D

dual quad core?

thats 8 fuckin processors....the nerds that drool over that much SPEED!

http://i.imgur.com/HIftJEa.png It only goes up from here.

theres jizz on your computer ;p

What are you doing that needs 66 GB of RAM?

virtualization

Well, 8 cores. Technically 16 cores if you want to count hyperthreading. But each chip is 2.5X as powerful than our current DB CPUs, so it should give us plenty of room and overhead for a while.

EACH server....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Like some and thought this was about something else, but this is good. :)

Love the new names ^^

as long as i can finally get on FA and not have to wait ages to go through my messages, i'm happy :p

Battery backup units or Uninterpretable power supplies? I've never heard of a bbu.(doesn't mean you're wrong. I just have never heard it before)

BBU is a battery backup for a RAID controller to preserve cache on the controller in the event of an unexpected power loss where the RAID volume is configured for write-back mode which means a write to the logical disk returns as soon as data is committed to cache (fast) versus write-thru where data is committed to the physical drives (safer but orders of magnitude slower). That said, LSI grossly overcharged for their BBUs - the batteries themselves are only about 20 to 30 bucks.

Chrome Battery has loads of SLAs at dirt cheap prices with free shipping! Every battery I've purchased from them has been top-notch.

http://www.chromebattery.com/

Makes sense. Thank you

Most hardware RAID controllers have an on-board RAM cache. In order to prevent data loss or corruption during a power failure, this cache is backed with a small battery.
Some can even hold up power to the hard drives for a (very!) short period, though these are somewhat less common (read as: I've only seen one which can do that)

Without a BBU, if you have a power failure, you're going to lose data. At best you'll have to resynchronise the RAID array (which for 8x 300GB disks is likely to take a full day, if not longer). At worst, the array won't come up and you'll lose everything.

You may have uninterruptable power supplies on the racks, but what happens if the UPS battery turns out to be defective and fails under load? The extra redundancy from a BBU is useful, if not essential.

Well, the facility we're in doesn't permit UPS. The entire facility has its own redundant power. What would be more likely to take us out would be a circuit breaker going bad or one of the PDUs failing. That's pretty rare (though it can and does happen).

Can and does happen, and I've seen it happen. Had a dedicated server (provider name redacted!) and the PDU blew out. Turned out the provider didn't have a spare and it took them two weeks to get one... That contract didn't last long.

The "no you can't have your own UPS" clause is pretty common too - that's a safety thing. Datacentres don't want their technicians finding live AC on a racks when they've isolated the thing at the breaker. In any case, a diesel generator and a decent fuel supply will keep you going far longer than any battery-backed UPS.

Or having customer installed UPS failing and causing issues, like a fire. I had a leasee's UPS on their phone system at one of our office buildings fail with an alarm to loud the while building could hear it. It took 5 hours to locate the fault cause I thought it was an issue with my equipment because it was so loud and high pitch that it was impossible to locate, plus that they had not informed me that it was even there and had hidden it behind a trash can.

frickin awesome!!

this is very math.

Two servers, both with dual Xeon 2620s, 64GB of RAM and eight Seagate 300GB 15K drives each?

That'd be... a 2.4TB RAID-0 or a ~1.8TB RAID-6... but that's a lot of processing power for a CDN server, especially if it's running, say, Nginx.

Are you sure you're not trying to mine Bitcoins on the side? (nudge-nudge, wink-wink, this is of course a joke)

Not actually a bad idea o.O FA isn't in use 100% of the time... anything else is wasted serverwise o.O
With proper management it may actually be worthwhile ^_~

Well, these are database servers, not storage. Our storage servers have 1 and 2TB drives.

The server is going to be run in RAID 10 and be used for database/processing over Nginx. Once we have those set up as our primary DBs, we're going to go back and retrofit some of our older servers.

So that means your database servers host a mirrored pair of 1.2TB stripes?

What's the logical volume capacity of your storage servers?

So why are the screenshots of 3 and 4 showing a greater subtotal than the items purchased?

Screenshot #4 shows a greater subtotal because we used giftcards that people sent to FA to buy the gear. So after our purchase, we only paid $5.

I guess I don't understand.

The item show costs $424.99, no shipping.
The subtotal should be $424.99, no matter how much gift cards you have.

Therefore, there were other items on this order and screenshot #3 that aren't shown in the capture.
Just wondering what they were.

It's $424.99. We ordered 2.

Ah, that'll be it. I didn't see the amounts. :v

aw <:c I expected a more exciting... thing. I mean I came here for adventure after all. Nope, got computers.

which is fine though, I guess o:

Lol a server with my name XD but no great more RAM!

So the case I got you guys during the drive, is that Finn or jake? Please say jake hahah


Awesome name gents.

Jake.

And yes, we had to find truly awesome names for some truly awesome servers. I originally was thinking Mordecai and Rigby, but then realized those names are equated with nothing but trouble.

Lots of 32gb RAM ish fun and really not needed for personal use but that's what I got in a non server setup lol, 64gb RAM ish quite impressive now I'm envious, take that Bill and your "never needing more than 640kb" lol

He didn't actually say that. =P

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/n.....s/1997/01/1484

Meh scandal I say he paid out millions to make that quote go away! lol. Oh well guess I learned something today, still have the video of good old Windows 98 giving him a red face, when it fell on its face when he was touting Plug n Prey.

And on the memory and Windows 98 topic, 98's so called ability to address 2gb, but grows unstable with more than 512mb installed, and completely fails with more than 1gb even with the system.ini mods.

Hmm...I had/have a Win98 tower that ran for a long while with about 640MB without issues--all I recall is that nothing I did with it ever came close to using it. A motherboard failure reverted it back to 512MB so I never got to see if the claims of instability were universal.

Then again, I got a Windows ME laptop to behave itself enough to accomplish useful work without drama.

I have a tower with win98 I used for playing older dos reliant games in my basement than run 2gb ram fine under win xp but with windows 98Se it gives constant not enough memory errors then I edit the system.ini file by adding the maxphysical page line to limit the memory windows 98 recognizes to 512mb windows will boot but I end up with all sorts of errors and my video ceases to function correctly. Swapped the ram out for 512mb and removed the edits to sytem.ini and windows 98 works like a champ.

Itll truly be an adventure once all systems are go.. and the software updates are released too :3

good. Now I can fap with way more space for porn.

So true XD

c: sell the old server maybe x3 enough storage there could be minecraft for every one on fa lol

We'll still be using the old servers. Novastorm (our DB server) is still a beast, and equipped with green energy efficient CPUs. Which is a good thing!

Nice lol <.< have you looked into solar power for your server building yet??? just wondering cuz like lol I would love to help install solar and stuff ^^; hehe im such a derp

Well, given we don't own the building and how much power it needs to draw... solar's not really an option?

Well.... Say you're using something like 500 KWh/month. At, I dunno what electricity is so, let's say... $0.20/KWh. 500KWh would be in the neighborhood of $1000. Even if your solar panels only generate 100KWh, that would be a savings of $20. Now, I've heard of people claiming to generate over 200KWh on standard residential places. If your building is in a nice, sunny area, with sufficient space on the roof, you could put a lot of solar panels on that thing... You could generate a hell of a lot more than that. Now this particular panel generates 305W. And let's say, you have a warehouse building or something, and the dimensions are 30'x50'. You could fit 7 the length, and 9 the width. That would be 63. Now, since the item I linked you to only contains 24 solar panels, let's use 24 for out calculations. with 24 panels generating 305W, that's 7320W. if you have an average of 6 hours of light per day (This is really what they use for all of the calculations I've seen) that would be 180 hours of sun per month. at 7320W and 180 hours of sun per month, that would be 1317.6KWh per month. at a rate of $0.20 per KWh, your panels would pay themselves off in a very short time. Now, keep in mind that I am no solar engineer, and I have had no education in this type of thing. But, I got my KWh/month calculations from this site. Honestly, I think this is a good idea to look into. I would talk to your landlord and see if you could have someone come out and maybe give you a consultation and talk to you about how viable an option it would be given your space to work with and your energy needs.

Now, if you wanted to put a wind turbine out there... I know some people.

redue your math there + there the server is there is no wind soooooooooooo

What's wrong with my math?

the server is in central PA power here is .11$ a kw

I said right in the beginning that I didn't know what electricity was at =P

The rest of the math is correct though.

yus lol but with the solar pay off is faster there is this odd rebate up here a 1 kw solar set up on your roof will pay off in like 5 years lol I put solar on my roof 2 years ago and I have all ready got my money back XD

Well. If they generate 1317.6KWh per month, at a rate of $0.11/KWh, they would make $145/month. At the cost of what they are, that would be around 60 months to pay for themselves, that's 5 years.

;-; oh that sucks

Well that's one way to make me click on the update link lmao

Flippin Awesome!

Wow, the first furry to name their computer after a human! Color me impressed!

Finn is amazing.

Dem server names

When are we gonna see the new layout they've been talking about for years now?

I should have an update on that soonish. And the new layout is a bit different than last seen. Will be working on that over the next few weeks to try to get that polished up.

I hope so! I'm really excited for it.

you guys keep saying "We're working on it" or "We're looking into that" or "Should be an update about that soon"

You guys promise not even a quarter of what you tell others. I asked in August last year if there will be a new colour theme for FA, and you said "Most likely in a few weeks!"

And if anything, you change something we do not wish. You should listen to the feedback, make something about it and instead of doing it COMPLETELY wrong, take suggestions. I honestly feel like you couldn't give two shits.

And for that I apologize. The re-done UI project started last year as a simple color scheme change, then started growing into something far more over time. I'll have an announcement on where the UI stands soonish (sometime June).

June of what year? Serious question.

This year.

I've offered to help him with it and am awaiting instructions as to what to do (since he said yes he would like help).

Yes, this year.

http://www.frostdragon.net/fa_frontpage.png

Well happy day. I look forward to it. :)

http://www.frostdragon.net/fa_userpage.png

I have to re-do the userpage and submission pages, then I should be good to bring it public for testing. There are a few quirks in it (works great in Chrome and Internet Explorer, not Firefox). Fixing and tweaking as I go.

Yeah, I don't mean to nag, but I'm REALLY hoping you'll come through this time. I've been on Furaffinity since the website first launched mid 2000's, and to put it mildly, I've seen lots of stuff promised that never went through. A lot of FA vets are eager to see what your team is going to come up with.

Oh, I know. I've heard your feedback on me and the site firsthand. I know you, and others, are frustrated. Things are going on schedule as far as that goes.

And I don't mean that in a bad way, just that I know people are frustrated. Hell, /I'm/ frustrated.

Don't mean to like, butt in here, but I must say i'm really digging that layout for the userpages. It's a lot more.. I don't know, harmonic?
Like Kayla i've been here for like ever too, so a change is something i'm really, and quite heavily, thirsting for.
Do hope you fix it for FF though. I won't touch Chrome. >.>

I fixed the FF issues.

Okay awesome, now it's just the waiting game then. =)

Fur Affinity!
Come on grab your furs!
We're going to very artsy worlds!
Jake the Server, and Finn the Server.
The art will never end, it's Fur Affinity!

They look awesome!

This was very cute.

I was expecting an Adevnture Time themed banner with this announcement.

lmao... Shitel? really? no wonder I get slow downs on FA alot, everything else works fine like Google, YouTube and so on but FA is complete slow-shit, lmao Intel... that's funny

Intel's funny? Err, how?

lol

You're trolling, right?

AMD have been nailed to the wall by Intel for at least the past five years - both in terms of clock-per-clock and Watts-per-MHz. They haven't been seriously competitive since the days of the Athlon64...

I agree with that one never thought I'd ever be back on an Intel based system since my old 486SX in early high school, and now here I am sitting at my recent self built 3rd gen Intel core i7 3770k powered system that I'd be willing to bet would trounce even the best AMD power system.

UMAD

And that is what people say when they can't come up with a cohesive and intelligent reply. *really needs to find a half smile or raised eyebrow smiley.*

People are mad :3

crazy mad or angry mad?

oh kay.

Crazy mad! Lmao dhnjfvcjdhujf

I know you aren't purporting that AMD makes a better processor...don't make me laugh.

They got the Cartoon Network edition, what?

Will this mean that FA will no longer be at times so slow it reminds me of browsing on dial up internet, or cases where I could walk across my house to get something and come back to still find a FA page loading?

FA's not quite so bad as dial-up. =P But yeah, it can get kind of slow during peak hours.

Not NEARLY as bad as dialup, a few years ago that's all I had to work with for a while. And waiting for anything to load was just mind-numbingly depressing. Take heart, you've never been THAT bad.

ily guise <3

Awesome news, ive been wanting to help pitch in but work cut back our hours. Have to get a 2nd job now. Once im back to financial stability i will see about throwing some equipment your way. Hoping i can attend FA: U this year.

You should! FAU is going to be pretty damn awesome this year. =)

Its going to depend on some luck with me, i have wanted to go to a con for a while now. If i can get my car squared away before then i should be able to.

300 Gigs a drive ain't too shabby, but 1 TB would always be better :3

Nice servers, and thanks for the update!

Not so much for database drives. 1TB is great for storage, but DB drives are speed. So like SSDs, you make a trade off of storage and performance.

Yeah, I was thinking about that later today, makes sense, as long as they're high speed drives and not 2008 SATA 150 drives, and more like 2012 SATA 600 drives.

They are some nice SAS Drives, Should be quite fast.

SAS? Solid state? Umm... a version of SATA? Well, sounds like it should be good!

Nah.. SAS is Serial Attached SCSI, it's an interface That's an evolution of he SCSI drives used in servers that makes the ports smaller, and uses single cables to each drive rather than one cable to all or many drives.

Basically SAS is to SCSI as SATA is to PATA or IDE

Oh boy, been a long time since i've heard anybody using any form of SCSI

Last time i've seen that port in use was the PowerMac series of computers, but it's probably just me.

Anyways, to Fender, nice job on the server anyways :3

site slow. throw MORE ram at it.

Good CHRIST! Them's some FAST servers!

Oh great >_>

Was like "Adventure Time event maybe?" *click* "Oh... dang it."

| (• ◡ •)| Furaffinity Time with Finn and Jake! (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)

you dont need all that god damn power, furaffinity is just a site for browsing pictures. with this kind of power you could host an MMO game, which is what I'm still waiting from with you guys because this site is bursting with creativity and all of us together could make one easy

Personally, I would have named them Romulus and Remus, but whatever floats your boat :P

>Servers named Finn and Jake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZbGSXeWWE

I wonder 2 servers, 16 cores 64GB ram and soo much hd spaces.... is there a ticklers built in too? in case someone might break in and ended up being tickled to death ... jk

You should name a few things Catbug, Impossibear and Wankershim! :D

CATBUG! °ω°

Hmm... Seems like the lulz are commencing rather smoothly. Carry on.
Also, HORY SHEET DAT RAM!

all the talk about RAM, i got Ten in my computer c:

Oh... My... Glob!

I'll bet it wasn't too shabby back in mid 2008 though.

And If Adventure Time gets cancelled, this is how we will remember them by.

What MEGAraid controllers are you using?

8888ELPs.

ahh, I was hoping the like the 9260-8i or such since I work for Dell and those are the base of the PERC cards. I know HP uses those cards.

Sounds like you got some pretty sweet servers for sure! And the names are definitely of epic proportions. c:

Did something happen with Trogdor?

Trogdor is still up and running, but has some hardware errors. One of the things we'll be doing is pulling the server and troubleshooting the hardware to figure out what the issue is.

How weird is it, that I chose today of all days to finally check out Adventure Time as a show...

So we won't be experiencing that one weeks hiccup again I hope. On a further note this is pretty substantial, atleast some hardware capable of lasting quite some time, I only say that cause its only running a simple based art site, Ive lately thought of FA ax a old body car with an suped up hemi engine, and the admins as the tranny but because of a free site they be rollin with a open instead of full power to thier wheels with a locker :D car talk for fun lols

Ps. Good server names

New layout (UI) is in progress, so design comes under same heading.

As for software, I don't think its changing any time soon.

Why not Bmo and Neptr ? Great names just the same ! http://youtu.be/_oiRNTLT2cU

you guys should make a CDN/load balance. one server goes down no problem.

Well, kiss my grits. You guys are working hard to bring quality fuzziness to my screen.

Thank you for letting your users know what you are doing with the money, I'm excited to see my donation go to use. I'm excited to see where this site goes from here. Best of luck getting things upgraded/updated etc!

Mathematical!

Mathematical!

I certainly hope that whenever the next two come along, they'll be Mordecai and Rigby.

Y'know. Seeing as how they're better anyway.

I love that show. 'n.n

Yay! Finn and Jake! Mathematical!

All that hardware and the site still runs off the same bloated, outdated slugcode. It's like the staff only know how to throw money at a problem rather than talent.

slowclap.exe

This.

I'm also waiting for them 300GB 15K SaS drives to fail, since seagate drives are so unpredictable and unreliable. Kingston Value ram also, har har.

You are mixing two completely separate issues. No amount of talent can fix a server that is failing and that's what is being replaced here.
FA's code is not bloated; it's rather small, fast and optimized. If site slowdowns are what is making you think like that, then code is not the bottleneck here - the database is. And we've just got two new servers for that.

> Small, fast and optimised

Yeah, no. That spin-doctor propaganda bull might work for the masses, but don't try and flinging it at me. Read the conversation followed via the following link:

LINKFUCK IN MY BRAIN

We've got site admins admitting that the hardware is a bunch of shit, that the site code is a bunch of utter shit, and that you guys can rarely be trusted with the money the fanbase so blindly flings at you. I will even quote the following:

I know the code is a problem
Yes, I agree that we could have/should have spent the money differently 5 years ago

Well, shit. Right from the dragon's mouth. The code's a piece of shit and you wasted donation money after being told what to buy by people who know better.

Now, let it not be said that I'm ungrateful. You guys provide a free service for a lot of people and I'm thankful for that - but that doesn't mean you're beyond reproach, not by a long shot. You're responsible for constantly upgrading and improving the site, and for providing users with a fresh, convenient experience they can come back to again and again. You don't provide that experience by ignoring the people who know shit about technology and buying shite hardware - wondering why that hardware then summarily fails so rapidly and consequently wasting the donation money that was given - and doing the bare jack minimal to the website to improve the code. How fucking long - HOW long, I ask, did it take for you code moneys to put the commission tab back in? Or a decent, reliable search function?

We've reached the point now where sticking the same shite code onto a new server configuration will only do so much. Get the sodding code fixed, and don't try spinning mindless taglines at me next time.

You are misquoting me and do not seem to understand the intent of my comments. The code is not efficient. There /are/ issues with the code, but efficient is not entirely the problem. There are some bugs and issues which need to be fixed, and certain things can be improved.

And we didn't "waste" donation money per se. We bought fantastic hardware that lasted nearly 5 years and it /still/ going strong. However, instead of two high end systems, we may have gone with two medium range. The other issue is that, at the time, servers cost a hell of a lot more than they did today. The 1TB hard drives we bought then were almost $200 a pop, and spreading that over multiple servers would have been even more costly.

Still, I would do things differently if I could, but given we had a quarter rack, 20A of power we made purchasing choices based on what we had at the time.

Also, the commission tab was re-written from the ground up after some time. The Search has been fairly reliable since 2007, as I recall. I'm not saying things are perfect, but I think you are projecting that things are far worse than they are.

Perhaps a better alternative to purchasing the hardware is hiring a couple of programmers to optimize the code? Then it'd be a win-win because you wouldn't have to upgrade the hardware so much. It's kinda like how certain OS's need a ton of RAM to run in comparison to something like Damn Small Linux - you can run that on computers made in the 80's.

I'm not criticizing you or accusing you of embezzlement or anything but I honestly believe that restructuring the site's programming would be a better investment in the long run.

In retrospect, I agree... but server hardware is expensive, and do have to replace the hardware we have with more modern, more reliable gear. I'd love to hire some full time people (both coding and admin-wise), but it's not in the cards just yet.

Ah, I see. Yeah in that case your decision makes sense and considering the fact that it may not exactly be easy to get sponsors for this site because of some of its content, it does make it a bit difficult. But that's okay. Just gotta keep going I guess.

I think we can simplify that to the following:

"I had no clue what we were doing at the time, so we threw this shit together and it held with spit and piano wire. Meanwhile we'll pat ourselves on the back for the site actually running, spend the donation money poorly, and do fuck-all to fix those bugs that've been glaring us in the face. Maybe throw a wrench at it from time to time, but yeah. I think things are pretty good until the next time the server shits itself and we need to go beg. Vacation time, anyone?"

You didn't buy 'fantastic' hardware, 'neer. I was there when you were taking the donation drive for the major upgrade, and I recall a lot of people offering you better hardware at a much higher quality and value for money than you were getting. I remember, I saw it. Likewise, does it really take so long to fix those bugs? You know, the security fixes, the functionality upgrades... Christ, even more layout schemes would be a showing of effort?

We've had this conversation, 'neer. I won. Don't throw away the slight respect I gained for you having the balls to admit your mistakes, by frittering it away on some politician's excuse. Get off your arse, get some work done, and if you can't, I can recommend five people that can. Probably to your face.

I'd rather not have respect from someone who's willing to be that demeaning in comments.

Hey, you're the one that, only a month or so ago, was agreeing with those sentiments. Don't act the tosspot now and tell me that life's sunshine and rainbows, and that you're completely beyond reproach because your fanbase bailed you out yet again.

Get some shit done, you lazy ass fuck.

You have the right to an opinion, but please keep them polite.

But it's not an opinion, you freak. I cited sources, sent you back to a conversation we initially had where you agreed that more needed to be done.

But no, somehow that's all magically resolved when you plaster the cracks in the wall with George mike-foxtrotting Washington. And you wonder why your community thinks you're such a poor fucking 'leader'.

*sigh*

Dragoneer is not responsible for the technical side of FA and thus can not be considered an official source of accurate information on related questions. Just as I can not be considered an official source of information on rules and policies.

It does not matter what he thinks of my choice of which hardware to buy 5 years ago now, with all that retrospect. It has served FA and every one of its users flawlessly until now; and with some slight refitting it will continue to serve just as well into the future. Just no longer in key positions of the backend architecture.

As for your reply,
You are using the word "code" as a blanket term for anything that is not hardware; when as I'm referring to the actual code itself. There is also:
* a database server(s)
* database layout
* data storage server(s)
* data storage layout
* code architecture
* network infrastructure

The code is, as I've said, small, fast and optimized. It is the legacy of poor choices made when designing the database and the data storage layouts that is causing FA issues at the moment. Something that is far from trivial to fix due to all the information being stored and anomalies in it caused by coding mistakes of the past.

As for your attitude,
We've had this conversation, 'neer. I won.
This is what it is all about. You are not exactly trying to be fair, polite or approachable. Your replies consist of rude and demeaning statements and you're not really looking for a discussion; focusing on trying to be as holier-than-though, dismissive and insulting as possible.
The problem is...
So are the people you are referring to who know shit about technology that we should be listening to.

So what we can take from this is that the IT side of FA sucks, the administration side of it sucks, and nobody can get the staff to fix it - or, heavens forbid, taking the site offline for a few weeks to get things stable.

Because people are going to freak out when they don't get their daily dose of porn, of course, and the staff sure as hell don't seem to have the 'nads to say 'want better service? Suck it up, Reclaimer'. Saying you don't like the attitude of the experts is likewise irrelevant - if a mechanic tells me I shouldn't be on the road until I get a new set of brakes, I'm not going to ignore him and keep whistling on sub-par brakes around just because I didn't like his tone. I'm going to swallow my bile, smile, and say 'alright. Offer me a good deal or I'm going elsewhere with my business'.

Admitting there's an issue is one thing. Doing shit about it is another, and the whole time I've been active within the fur community I've seen precious little to see improvements on what's touted to be the go-to site for any fur. And, you wonder why the staff, the site, and the drama is such a laughing stock?

Alright, alright. I'll give you credit. Running a site this large is a big deal, but swinging from one mismanagement to another like Tarzan on his vines is precisely why I ridiculed you, and will continue to do so until I see valid evidence for more than just throwing precious donator money at an issue as if it's going to hide the cracks. As I've said before, and will say again: upgrading your server components won't hide the issue forever. Eventually, those 'poor choices' won't just be small cracks you can plaster over; they'll be hefty structure-affecting issues with enough weight to shear right through this operation of yours.

I would urge you to hold back your bile and your pride, and deal with the issues at hand rather than flinging money at issues that could be solved without the liberal application of Washies, Benjies and Hammies.

whelp, that's wonderful, go for shit hardware released 2 years ago. I see comments "look at all that ram." You all don't know what you're fucking talking about. My LAPTOP has 32GB ram FFS!

On a server, and for something like FA, the RAM acquired should've been at least 64 ECC ram. Seems like whoever bought the hardware don't fucking know what they're doing.

Sorry, but server hardware's expensive. Server needs aren't measured in per year minimums, it's load type that changes what hardware you need. My guess is that 32 GB in your laptop is going to waste unless you are running hella VM's or the like. SO unless you want to pay for the hardware yerself, and then actually look at the hardware reqs behind what they are working on, than I'd suggest that someone take a chill.

I'm an engineer, I use every single fucking gigabyte. Number crunching, I do that, Mule (mulesoft), Java, R, (every fucking thing for number processing), I do that.

Cool, cool. Then since you are an engineer, you'll know that the best engineered solution isn't the one that has the best specs, but the one that does everything it's required to do, while simultaneously optimizing other important metrics, all while coming in at or under a reasonable budget.

Number crunching and bleeding edge technology on a laptop rofl...

workstation quality laptop

Though you may be too ignorant to understand.

You mean overheating, overpriced piece of junk?

Keep trying.

Thinkpad series here, a laptop I use for AutoCAD work too since the machine has a Quadro built in.

You are misinformed. Both Finn and Jake have 64GB of ECC RAM.
As for "shit hardware", do not forget, we only had $5000 budget to go on and we needed two fully fit servers. Try to build two of them with that money just for an exercise, see if you can do much better.

$5k is a week's pay, I expected FA to get more funding than a mere $5k. It's fairly clear there's no VC funding or any actual direction.

Sorry, not everyone rakes in ~$260,000 a year after taxes like you say, and not everyone has that money to blow on donations. Take your entitled drivel elsewhere, this site is put together for your (and other furs) amusement with no charge to you. So, if you still wish to complain, why don't ya donate a server worth what ya get payed a month.

A week's pay for /who?/ Sorry, but I don't know many people who make $260K.

Well now you do.

Well, congratulations.

...

xD Normally the whole 'burn' thing goes off like a 'yo mama' joke with me....with a big ole :T "really?"

This is the one of the few times where I actually laughed at it. Good onya!

FA has no venture funding; or any external funding at all for that matter. It is a free website that often operates at a loss to its owners.
The $5000 figure spent consisted entirely of donations.

This isn't really a place for you to be flaunting your financial status.

And my laptop has 16GB of RAM. My desktop has 32GB. But those aren't servers. They're meant to host database, which are an entirely different kind of beast entirely, and the amount of RAM a server has does not equate to performance in any way whatsoever. Most cloud computers have 8GB of RAM, no more. You'd be surprised.

Second, the hardware is current. It's not two years old. I'm not sure what "shit hardware" you're talking about, but we listed everything we bought. Go look it up. It's not "shit hardware released 2 years ago".

Oh, my bad. It's shit hardware a whole year old since release. I usually deal with bleeding edge gear, I'm not used to dealing with antiquated technology.

Such an angry young man. I guess money really doesn't buy happiness.

No, he's pretty much on the ball.

If you donated, you'd expect your money to be used in a worthwhile fashion. Example: you wouldn't throw money at new car tyres that'll fall apart fifty miles down the road after the mechanic urged you to get some better-quality ones, and then wonder why you're riding on your rims before you even get home.

FA is pretty much known for ignoring any advice proffered regarding hardware, and charging off blindly into the stores like a kid in a candy store to get the shiny stuff, and then wondering why it's throwing up every five minutes from bad sweets when people said "don't eat them all at once, you'll end up ill". This isn't the first time this has happened, and it won't be the last. FA just likes to clap its hands over its ears and pretend it's not hearing anything.

Why are you using amazon? Newegg is way better, is usually cheaper than other sites, and has sales on stuff all the time.

Those are some small servers for the type of site that is being run

This is not your gaming computer..... get out....

huh? What are you talking bout

Yeah I think it's be bigger than that, probably explains why FA is quite slow constantly...

We have about ten servers altogether.

ITT people who don't know how servers work

ALGEBRAIC!

Adventure Time ~

The next server should be Simon.
*cue Cheers theme and tears*

Mathematical! Slammacow!

Simon and Marcy should be the next names. Poor Simon and Marcy is all grown up and is the only one to remember the Ice King as Simon.

Adventure Time,
C'mon grab your furs,
we'll go to very distant forums.
With Jake the Server
and Finn The server,
the uploading will never end,
it's Adventure Time!
*Cwick.*

Bro hoof /)

So fur affinity is basically in your basement? Cool beans. My brother owns his own site/ minecraft server in his basement lol

No. They're hosted at a datacenter.

Oh lol ok. I just thought it would be funny to have all this server equipment in some guy's basement lol

I mean

You totally COULD lolol

Dragoneer's basement. Where the magic happens.

...woah o.O

I'm grateful for site admins that deal with all the negative feedback and criticism respectfully. And continue to keep the site running, even with all the criticism. I use it here in Hawaii and don't usually have slowdown problems. It isn't easy to re-write underlying web-code and satisfy and maintain the user base I wish you the best of luck keeping this site running! Props to admins!

sounds like it going to be awesome and wow 6th year FA.

Love the names x3

Up next... "Bubblegum" and "Ice King"...

Finally you guys show proof of your purchases. Not to be a stink, but Running that drive then suddenly going "OH GUYIZ WE BOUGHT A HOUSE" was REALLY bad, especially since FA was crashing MORE since then and no proof was being provided that you actually spent the donations towards the site.

Coincidence or not, you guys really need to show more proof of purchases when you run those kind of things. Even a picture with a date tag is more proof than "Yes, we bought the servers"

I agree here, doing this right off the bat probably could have solved a lot of stress and aggravation on both sides.

We always did.

I NEVER saw proof of ANY purchases from that last drive. Please, tell that to the several other people that also did not see it (by several I mean around 1000 or so) and also were lead to believe that the money was pocketed for the house.

You have just gotten proof of purchase for this round of donations, and there has been proof posted for every other donation drive in the past as well.

Why are you replying in such a hostile manner?