WRONG. YOU'RE MAKING THIS ALL ABOUT THE MEN. YOU FUCKING MAN-LOVER. GO RIDE MORE DICKS.WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a good list.

But white, cisgender, straight men are not oppressed. They're not. Oppression is a systematic thing, it's all pervasive in our society, and since it was set up to benefit white, straight, heteronormative, cisgender men, people in that group simply do not have to face discrimination the way marginalized groups do.

And as a quick note: it should be cisgender/transgender, without the -ed at the end. Since both are adjectives and not verbs. Otherwise, it can seem like someone who is transgender is not male/female/other unless they have medically transitioned. Just a heads up!

I'm sure there is at least one cisgender, caucasion male in the world who has been victim to at least one of the problems listed.
and I'm sure that their experience doesn't matter any less or is any less terrible because they are cisgender, caucasion or male.

In fact, I'm 100% positive!

Beautiful response ;;

While I do understand Jive's point that cis white men in general may have an advantage in some societies, I agree with you that we can't ignore an individual's problems just because of their race, gender or whatnot. We should see people as human beings and not types or labels

Exactly!

Getting rid of labels denies people of their identities. I am a mixed race transman. That's what I *am.* Saying I am the same as a white, cisgender man is writing me off to default... and default is white and cisgender. Saying you don't see labels or types just clouds the dynamics of privilege.

While it may have sounded like I said we should get rid of distinctions like gender and race, what I really meant was we shouldn't use distinctions as concrete slabs to label people. Sorry if it wasn't clear ^^;

I never said all white, cisgender straight men lived perfect lives. But they are not systematically oppressed. Since they're not victims of oppression, their "experiences" are not the same and have little bearing on feminism as a whole. Sure, men would benefit from the "smashing of the patriarchy," but that shouldn't mean they get equal say in this matter, and it definitely doesn't mean all men's opinions on feminism are valid. And this is coming from a man!

Also, "caucasian" is actually quite the racist, backwards term. The history of the word is particularly nasty (with "caucasian" being appropriated from PoC who originated in the Caucasus mountains and used to differentiate between superior, white-skinned peoples and the rest... deemed mongoloids and negroids), so it's something we should probably phase out of use.

just to kinda agree/paraphrase -

the way i've seen it explained is, like. you can't go up to your boss and tell him "YOU'RE FIRED" and have it mean anything, but he can go ahead and say "YOU'RE FIRED" and that actually does mean something. it doesn't mean he doesn't have problems of his own, just that he's got the power as far as the system goes.

oppression doesn't go both ways. v :) v just as an employee can't oppress their boss and a slave can't oppress their master, women (in the us, currently) can't oppress men. can they do great harm? yes! but it's not oppression. can they be cruel and heinous? of course! but again, it is not oppression. it's not from a widespread system of power, but rather done on an individual basis.

(which is not to say you're somehow then justified in being cruel to the undeserving. it's just an attempt to clarify terms and agree.)

While society (I'm assuming American here, but I understand there are others) may be more advantageous to cis white men on a general scale than other types of people, it's important never to resort to racism/sexism/genderism to combat it (though I'm not accusing you of those things). While I also understand that misogyny may still be a problem in some circles, we should never forget to look at the world as human beings and not just as "women", "white men" etc. Just want to add that - peace

No, acknowledging differences is important and necessary to deconstruct the problems society faces where inequality is concerned. Without distinctions such as "man/woman/agender/genderfluid/etc," we could not know that cisgender men are the oppressors in American society (and all others I know of, currently) and therefore work to correct it.
Additionally, saying "we're all human beings" really erases the experiences of minorities and marginalized groups. A white, cisgender man will not face the sort of nasty remarks and constant skepticism a black, cisgender man will. Or a white, transwoman. Or a mixed race, agender person. The examples are endless. By saying they're the same, you are erasing a part of the oppressed's identity and experience because they're clearly different and the white, cisgender experience is default.

Is that saying all white, cisgender, straight men are actively oppressive? No. But oppression--as stated before--is a society-wide thing. If one is privileged (be it by the color of their skin or gender or sexual orientation or ability etc.), one cannot simply opt out of the system and not experience the benefits. The benefits are built-in. And so are the negatives.

I'm not sure this makes as much sense as I'd like. I'm sick. So if it's convoluted, my bad.

I didn't say we're all the same, and I didn't say we should erase distinctions, but I did say we shouldn't judge people based on their distinctions. By "human beings", I meant not seeing people as blank slates, but rather as individuals. If anything, I'm for the variety this world has to offer.
Again, I'm not saying that prejudice doesn't happen, but bigotry either way is never the answer.

But it's not bigotry to tell someone they are not the point of a movement or that they are oppressive. It's not bigotry to tell someone who says "in my country, women have all the power, men are oppressed" that they're wrong. Because they clearly are.
It's not bigotry to tell a man "you are not oppressed," because he's not. He can be bullied, excluded, and even discriminated against, but he is not oppressed the way women are. That's my point.

I agree it's not bigotry to say that "men/women have power and women/men are oppressed", but bigotry is when you start to use something as a means of hatred for one kind of people, and that's what my concern is. Again, while I understand the frustration of inequality, I just can't standing seeing 'rationalised racism/sexism' i.e. "die cis scum" and things like that, you know? It's that as much as the oppression that you talk about that needs to be stopped, or else it's all just gonna be mindless hatred and no compassion.

My problem is with shit like this:
"It's that as much as the oppression that you talk about that needs to be stopped..."
Because saying "fuck white folks" is not the same as hundreds of years of genocide, slavery, and colonization. It's just not. I have a lot more sympathy for someone who has been treated the way many transgender people are treated saying "die cis scum" (which, by the way, as someone active in queer communities both online and off, I've NEVER seen/heard anyone say outside of a joke) out of frustration than a cisgender person who denies their privilege out of simply not wanting to acknowledge it.

I think I might know where you're coming from, but feel free to correct me.
There are these "straight pride"/"white pride"/"male pride" etc groups that are popping up recently, using the guise of "equality" and "freedom of speech" as a disguise to basically "justify" the same old discrimination.
Like, for example, the straight pride group on facebook. It's a disgusting, gut-wrenching, vile, hatred-imbued place that chars your eyes out just by looking, so I'd suggest not actually looking at it.

But
If a woman genuinely rapes a man, that man deserves just as much right as a woman in a fair trial.
"Oh he's a man, he probably deserves it cause he's a man and he's probably a jerk"
That's a human being there, and even if that person is male, cis and straight, what if he is a nice, kind and sensitive human being? Does he deserve to be blamed for the wrongs of others simply on the basis of his physical appearance and identity?
Yes, that is discrimination. No, that has no place in the world.
EVERY HUMAN BEING should be judged by the content of their character.
No privilege, only equality.

.....however, I believe that groups who have undergone long-term discrimination should be allotted resources to recover from the past. Just as a person must undergo months and months of physiotherapy for severe wounds, so too does society need to give those people time to heal and the means by which to heal and integrate back into society, while educating society itself to properly accommodate these groups.

Well said! And your last point about recovery was interesting :)
"EVERY HUMAN BEING should be judged by the content of their character. No privilege, only equality." - that there is what it's all about

Very nicely put! And thank you for understanding the point I was trying to get across.
If a cisgender, caucasian male is raped by a woman, it should not be shrugged away and deemed not important because it's a problem that happens more often to women. Or because it's a problem that mostly men commit. Everyone deserves the same kind of support system.

Also, I especially like: "EVERY HUMAN BEING should be judged by the content of their character. No privilege, only equality."

Of course a man who has been raped should get the same kind of support and trial as a woman, but that's not at all what my point was about.
I would elaborate, but I'm afraid I'm sick as a (heh) dog and will have to put this off. I can't think straight right now.

I hope you'll feel better soon. You seemed quite on edge with me previously ^^;
Basically all that's being said here is that people should be respectful of each other. I'm sure on that we can all agree :)

Oh gosh, get better soon!
I hope you don't have that flu that's been going around here, it was horrible.

Hey I kinda know you/see you commenting around similar places I do so I thought I'd ask a friendly question, as it's something I actually looked into today when my boyfriend asked a rational question. I was wondering if I could ask your opinion!

Ok so! The thing he asked was, "In what ways are Canadian women facing oppression in 2014?", speaking about rights violations and such.

I actually couldn't think of anything off the top of my head besides the sexual objectification/rape culture/violence against women type things, and the way there's a disparity in wages between the sexes. I looked it up as well, and found this list of how far we have come:
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/en/browseSu.....omenRights.asp

It was definitely very insightful, so I did ask myself the question. As a woman in Canada, what kinds of things would I like to change? What things do I feel need different laws, what would improve the situation? Also, what the "situation" was... I learned today that Canada has /no/ abortion laws, and in my province they're even paid for by the government. :0!

Now I know the U.S is having a lot of women's rights issues, I understand that business seems to come before people in the US. I think this is where feminism should be focusing on, and I will generalize but in the "middle east" as well. Though in Canada, I'm not sure what else I should be focusing on, thinking critically on, and trying to find solutions for. At present, I actually can't come up with a solution for the things I mentioned are issues I've found(i.e. violence perpetuated against women)... It deeply depresses me that the technology isn't there, to "prove" when an assault happened... UGh.






Sorry for the long post, just some things I've been pondering today I thought I'd share.

Whereas I DO agree with you that white, cisgender, straight men are not oppressed in the strict definition of the word, they ARE still hurt by the patriarchy, even if they don't realize it.

Here's a good example of the kind of thing I'm talking about: http://thetomska.tumblr.com/post/73.....-need-feminism

I agree that men are harmed by patriarchy! We're on the same page, there.
I just don't think that telling people that not listening to every "but I'm discriminated against too" story from a white, cisgender, straight man is wrong is kind of over the top. I mean, this movement benefits men, sure, but it's not really about us, and that should be fine.

Ah, I get what you're saying! I agree. The WHAT ABOUT THE MENS reactions ARE pretty obnoxious.

When I said "Supporting and listening to those who have suffered" etcetc, what I actually meant was... not ignoring it/considering it unimportant/not as important?
Clearly I didn't mean you have to actually listen to everyone's individual problems or you're a bad person or something!

I changed the journal wording to more accurately explain what I meant. Sorry if it confused you.

"But white, cisgender, straight men are not oppressed. They're not."

They are. Fuck you.

I love to teach, and do it best in a one on one setting, but I'll never be trusted by society to be alone with a child for any length of time without everyone assuming I'm going to molest him/her. Even single fathers get glared at when walking around with kids, 'cause people assume they're all in mid-kidnapping or some shit. This is one tiny example.

You've got a whoooole lot to fucking learn about prejudice.

Those things don't happen because you are white or cisgender or straight. If you were gay, you'd be looked at even more as a pedophile. If you were trans, you'd be looked at like a pervert. If you were black, you'd be looked at like a deadbeat father or abusive or an outright criminal.

I'm not saying things can't suck for people who are those things. And the things you talked about suck and are shitty, but it's not oppression.

They happen because I'm male. And people like you don't give a shit, because since we're 'in power' (and people like you will cite how men are the majority of CEOs, but never mention how men are also the majority of homeless), it doesn't matter what prejudice we face.

Let's see if I can explain this in simpler terms.
You know who has a very high chance of homelessness? People of color and LGBTQIA+ people (especially youth). They are homeless because of reasons related to their oppression (race, sexual orientation, gender and presentation thereof, etc.).
White men are not homeless because they are white men. They are homeless because the system is broken and many people are unemployed, living in poverty, and otherwise disenfranchised. But what they are not is oppressed simply because they are men. They are not oppressed because they are white. And they are not oppressed because they are cisgender and/or heterosexual.

Do you know why people look down upon men who care for children? Because that nurturing attitude is seen as effeminate, "womanly," and therefore weak. That's patriarchy at work.
I'm male. The patriarchy hurts men, too. I never denied this. But that is not oppression in the way I mean it. In order to be an oppressed class, you have to not be "in power." A little backstory, here: I am transgender. I was raised to conform to female gender roles. I am now accepted as male in most circles of my life. You know what I've noticed? People take me more seriously. They listen to my concerns and acknowledge the worth of what I'm saying. They don't write me off, laugh at me, or mock my passion in the same way they did when I was read as female. Our society treats women more poorly than men, and knowing this does not hurt me... and it does not undo the maltreatment I've received.

In summary, the whole system is rotten, but do not forget to acknowledge the privileges to which you have access... otherwise, no real progress can be made, because we are not on equal footing at the start.

Men not in a relationship are three times more likely to end up homeless than women (51% of homeless vs. 17%, http://www.nationalhomeless.org/pub.....acts/Whois.pdf), with 6/7 of homeless overall being male, and over a third of homeless are white. Go lecture /them/ on their privilege, I'm sure they'd be interested to hear it from someone who has a place to live, Internet access, and the luxury to whine about "privilege". And while you're at it, care to explain why there are virtually zero shelters for male victims of domestic violence, and TONS for women, EVEN THOUGH women commit half of all domestic violence (http://www.eworldwire.com/pressreleases/17670)?

"Do you know why people look down upon men who care for children? Because that nurturing attitude is seen as effeminate, "womanly," and therefore weak. That's patriarchy at work."

Look down upon? I'm not talking about someone merely thinking I'm 'girly' for wanting to teach. I'm talking about being UNABLE to be alone with a child because it is ASSUMED that because I am MALE, that the only thing every stopping me from molesting a child is OPPORTUNITY. And I'm talking about how story after story comes out about some male teacher who irritated some female student with a bad grade or whatever, so they make up a rape story, get him in tons of trouble despite no evidence, and ruin his career and reputation even AFTER she goes ON RECORD admitting the whole thing was made up. When it comes to men, guilty even after proven innocent is par for the fucking course. Some privilege.

I am petrified of entering the field I love because girls and women have the power to ruin my career, reputation, and life, PERMANENTLY (because no one fucking cares that the girl went on record admitting it's a lie, no one cares that there's no evidence, everyone is SEXIST enough to just assume the accusation is correct, because he's a man, and that's what men do, in their eyes), with one, fucking, lie. And society is not only okay with this, they're complicit in it! They make it possible!

Fuck you and fuck your self-centered horseshit. This is why people like you aren't taken seriously. You have this bullshit black and white view of things that actually allows you to say immensely stupid things like "white, cisgender, straight men are not oppressed".

http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-va.....f-mens-rights/

Bias and/or ignorance are the only two explanations for that hate-filled statement I just quoted. Which is it?

My boyfriend takes this sort of opinion in arguments but I always have a chuckle at him even though I agree, since his privilege is that he's got to live a normal healthy life with great parents, healthy and plentiful food, and has never undergone any traumas.

Myself on the other hand... Because I was a small and attractive young girl, I've been taken advantage of sexually by many men in my life(including family, friends, roommates, internet relationships, etc), been bullied and looked down upon for being female in school(from K-12), been told I wasn't "equal" to my peers in the furry fandom of all places, not believed when I came forward about having been raped, and not to mention the countless times I've had to endure "rape jokes" on the internet and being told to "get back to the kitchen" when I'm kicking ass on xbox..

My boyfriend has never experienced rape, sexual harassment, bullying/discrimination based on gender, and he has never been hit or yelled at in his life. Sure you could say, it's because he has better parents than me, but I find that a lot of the time the reason I got abused is because I was a small cute little GIRL that couldn't do anything to defend herself. My little brother only ever got yelled at because, and I quote, "he will be big and strong one day since he's a boy".


This is the privilege, in my opinion, that males have today. At the same time though, everything you brought up are ALSO concerns but using them to try and downplay the violence women experience today isn't really a good move to make.

People would take these opinions more seriously, IMO, if men wouldn't bring them up whenever people are talking about women's issues. It's generally rude when people are saying they have it bad, to come in and say "I have it as bad if not worse than you so shush!".

That's just my opinion anyways, and also note I haven't finished reading the OP and context of this situation, just from having read this comment, this is what I wrote. xD

"At the same time though, everything you brought up are ALSO concerns but using them to try and downplay the violence women experience today isn't really a good move to make."

It's NOT the move I made. At ALL. Please read the things I wrote more carefully. The move I MADE was to defend myself against that OTHER person doing EXACTLY this: claiming that the 'other side' experiences no issues based on their gender. This is the key differences between these pathetic husks ruining the term "feminism" (which used to be about women fighting for equal treatment to men, but is presently more about female supremacy and male hating/erasure (case in point: "men can't be oppressed") than anything else) and people like me: people like me DON'T act like anti-female sexism doesn't exist, or like females NEVER get the raw end of a deal because they're female. But these so-called "feminists" of today do act that way, towards males. They actually have the gall to claim that men never get the short end of the stick simply for being men.

Well, here's one very big and very obvious example: it has been shown conclusively that the incidence of domestic violence is pretty much 50/50 between females and males. And yet, compare the number of shelters built specifically for female victims of domestic violence to the numbers of shelters for male victims of domestic violence. That is, if you can find even ONE of the latter.

Because that's the kind of "privilege" men have in this society. No one gives a shit if our girlfriends and wives beat us, or injure us. No one's there to help. And if we try to reach out for help, in many places police will AUTOMATICALLY arrest and suspect the man to be the aggressor. We can get beaten, call the cops with black eyes and bruises and cuts, and they show up and put us in cuffs. According to this, in England and Wales there are 60 shelters for men vs. over 7,000 for women. ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2.....estic-violence ) Remember, men don't commit 99.99% of domestic violence (that's literally the ratio it would take to make this ratio of shelters reasonable): it's about 50/50. And yet, over 100 times as many shelters for women. I'm sure abused men feel very privileged in societies like these...

Here are a lot more examples of how men are oppressed in a LOT of facets of society:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/.....le_oppression/

I feel horrible that your vulnerability was exploited by manipulative people (though I know several 'small and weak' guys who were also taken advantage of, physically and otherwise, growing up). Unlike the scumbag I blew up at, I'm not here to erase your experiences. I'm just not going to let someone get away with trying to erase mine, or treat men like they never get the short end of the stick for being men.


"People would take these opinions more seriously, IMO, if men wouldn't bring them up whenever people are talking about women's issues. It's generally rude when people are saying they have it bad, to come in and say "I have it as bad if not worse than you so shush!"."

Out of the two of us, which one said that the other person has nothing to complain about/no problems? Hint: not me. You're aiming these remarks at the wrong person.

And no, no one takes issues that effect men seriously, that's why the MHRM exists. See the domestic violence example above. And the "local" example of someone claiming that men have no problems in society, That itself is proof enough that men NEED to speak up, because people like that are MORE than willing to completely erase our concerns and treat us like second-class citizens for their own selfish gain. You just made my point for me right here, do you realize that?

Again, I accept that anti-female sexism exists. All I ask is that female supremacists like the person I responded to, who hide under the "feminist" banner in hopes of making THEIR sexism legitimate, don't pretend that anti-male sexism doesn't exist.

P.S. By the way, this whole post wasn't about "women's issues". It had a great, gender-neutral message--go read it again. I didn't complain about it, I think it's great! The comment I originally responded to was venomous and hateful, and it didn't get half the backlash it deserved.

Yeah I did read after and looked around, was prompted to write this up which you might enjoy reading.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5690556/

P.S. I'm not a feminist, or any "ist" for that matter. Sorry for not fully understanding your post as well, I suppose I should read more contextual stuff before going on a rant hah! :D

I don't have the time or energy to dispel all of the misconceptions I saw on that page, ugh. Firstly, since you think false rape accusations are so rare (that 1% figure you mentioned has no basis in fact), take a look at the Community for the Wrong Accused, where 'fresh' stories of false accusations, and what happens to the poor men who deal with them, are aggregated regularly: www.cotwa.info

Very few rape accusations are able to be shown to be definitively true OR false in court. But the fact of the matter is that even when they are shown to be DEFINITIVELY false, confession to making up the story and everything, the accuser receives minor or no punishment. This is why sociopathic women see it as such a useful weapon against any man they want to destroy. And destroy it does. Even in cases where a false accuser completely recants and admits they made it all up, the accused male's reputation is STILL ruined forever. Everyone remains suspicious, because despite any court or justice system, when it comes to rape, the mindset among people at large is guilty until (and even after) proven innocent. Again, www.cotwa.info if you think this isn't a thing that regularly happens.

Also, there is no contest between breast cancer and prostate cancer when it comes to funding and awareness. The pink ribbons and the walks and everything are EVERYWHERE. Do you even KNOW what color the prostate cancer ribbon is? I bet you don't, without looking it up. After a few seconds of Googling:

"In fiscal year 2009, breast cancer research received $872 million worth of federal funding, while prostate cancer received $390 million. It is estimated that fiscal year 2010 will end similarly, with breast cancer research getting $891 million and prostate cancer research receiving $399 million.

Even when it comes to private foundations, the picture is the same. For example, at the American Cancer Society, breast cancer receives about twice the number of grants as prostate cancer." -- http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/05/b.....er-of-victims/

Ok well I guess that stuff is awful too, but it isn't like that here in Canada. :/

Yes, it is like that in Canada too.

There was only one shelter for male domestic violence victims in Canada. The man who founded it, himself a victim of violence at the hands of his ex-wife, was unable to continue to fund it because, unlike with women's shelters, it was impossible for him to secure any sort of government (federal or provincial) financial help to fund this very necessary (remember, before this shelter, there were ZERO places for male victims of domestic violence to go for help--that alone tells you how much Canadian society cares about male victims) service (and of course, those same governments hand out money by the truckload to fund women's shelters). All of the money for this one and only men's shelter for victims like him, came out of his own pocket.

Penniless trying to fund the shelter all on his own, and distraught with a government that didn't give two shits about him or male victims in general, the founder of this shelter committed suicide almost exactly one year ago.

Read this article, realize there is a lot more of this sort of thing where this came from, then maybe you can begin to understand the frustration you read from me before.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0.....arent-suicide/

Here's another nice tidbit about male "privilege": http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5836/24675342.gif

You missed the point of everything I said. Privilege does not mean you aren't at risk for SOME things, but it means others are more at risk for other things than you. If you honestly believe that men are more or as oppressed as women in western society, we don't have anything else to discuss.

"If you honestly believe that men are more or as oppressed as women in western society, we don't have anything else to discuss."

Except that's not the point you made, you disingenuous scumbag. This is the point you made:

"white, cisgender, straight men are not oppressed. They're not."

Fuck your goalpost moving (I can almost see a smoke trail in the wake of your backpedaling), and your bullshit smokescreen for your sexist, heterophobic, cisphobic venom. You're right; there is nothing to discuss--you're a hate-filled pustule, and that's that.


P.S. Giving you as MUCH credit as possible, and taking those two statements as evidence, it is apparently your argument that only the demographic MOST disadvantaged by virtue of being members of said demographic is entitled to consider themselves "oppressed". Your logic would dictate that, for example, Japanese Americans have no right to complain about how they and/or their parents or grandparents were put in internment camps just for being even 1/16th Japanese in the US after Pearl Harbor, because the Holocaust negatively affected a greater number of Jews. Again, that is the MOST generous conclusion that could be drawn about who's 'allowed' to claim oppression. Looking at it any other way makes you look like even MORE of a colossal asshole.

Wow, cool sudden aggression.
I refuse to respond in depth to anyone who calls me a scumbag for simply stating facts. This is a pathetic attempt at baiting. So here's what you get:

Who oppresses women? Men.
Who oppresses PoC? White people.
Who oppresses transgender people? Cisgender people.
Etc.

You cannot be a member of a privileged group and simultaneously claim oppression for being a member of that group. You can be oppressed as a black man, a gay man, a transman, etc. but you are not oppressed for being male.
Your last paragraph makes NO sense, since Japanese-Americans are PoC and therefore NOT a member of a privileged group.

Also, your mention of homelessness? Yeah, black men, transmen, and gay men are all at higher risks for homelessness... and women are at higher risk for rape, murder, assault, and any number of other things. You need to get your mind into some intersectionality, and stat, brother.

MEN coming to a group supposed to be about feminism and talking about men's rights is derailing and obnoxious and really offensive. That's all I really have to say on the matter. And you've made it clear that actual discussion is a waste of my time.
Anyway, I'm never on this shithole of a site anymore, so have fun with your asinine persecution complex.

Valuing prejudice based on frequency is despicable. I wonder if you'd have the gall to tell battered men that they don't deserve domestic violence shelters that cater to them when their wives/girlfriends beat them, using the argument that "men commit DV more, so who cares about you?"

Individual people are more than their demographic, you simpleton. NO member of ANY demographic deserves to have prejudice against them dismissed on the basis of "well, that demographic is in power". That kind of thinking is not only disgusting, it's dangerous: it encourages evil to be committed by people by increasing the chance that they'll get away with it.

"MEN coming to a group supposed to be about feminism and talking about men's rights is derailing and obnoxious and really offensive."

Except this post has a great message reminiscent of what feminism USED to be about: equality. And no one with a good head on their shoulders would accept your kind of vile erasure as anything but the poison it is. NO ONE deserves to have prejudice against them minimized or ignored (key difference between radfems and MRAs I've noticed--out of the two, only radfems refuse to acknowledge that the 'other side' gets the raw end of prejudices too). There are a lot of things men have to deal with for being men that women don't, but you don't see me being a scumbag and acting like women have no problems.

And yet, here you are. And you got called out for your prejudice and erasure. I HOPE that offends you, because you deserve it.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti.....-violence-rare Fucked up the stat, so hid the comment.
this study reveals that an estimated 99+% of rape accusations are true. Saying people make up and/or lie about rape is fucking hideous and offensive and disgusting.

http://www.cotwa.info/2012/12/the-t.....alse-rape.html <-- Yup, CLEARLY every single one of these is a lie. The idea of false rape accusation is all a conspiracy, even/especially the widely-publicized cases of established fabrication. Oh, and ESPECIALLY the ones where the fabricator fesses up to it.

Only thing disgusting and offensive is the fact that you're seriously willing to ignore reality when it doesn't advance your sexist, racist agenda.

I stumbled across this post and thought you might want to take a looksee.

We are all affected by the patriarchy

we just have to recognize it, and the more we do the more we can address it and fight it

True this. Brainwashes some, oppresses others.

In that this patriarchy forces expectations on men as much as women?

Good list.

i would gladly consider myself a feminist if it weren't for the mentality of some of the comments below. treating someone different based on anything (including born privilege) is bullshit. if you treat someone poorly or even differently based on privilege then you're not fighting for equality at all. you're taking a backwards step in what us equalists/humanists are fighting for just so you could "get back" at a certain group (which is stereotyping) for oppression INDIVIDUALS of their group have caused.

well... comments above.

You mean egalitarian not feminist.

Egalitarianism is feminism. And if you refuse to acknowledge that, you're not egalitarian.

I commented that 4 years ago, Fortunately my views have changed completely since then!

Good, good. Haha