What The Crap Is Even Furry 3: Revenge of the Furs
11 years ago
The definitions I put forth in the original post http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5640372/ seem to themselves be arbitrary, and given that they're arbitrary everyone gets to decide for themselves what they like, but I don't know if them simply acknowledging these points are arbitrary is the end goal.
Usually, we have a premise of expectations when it comes to our definitions. This is going to be more conjecture than the original post, which was closer to direct reporting.
So what do we believe furry IS when we say something is furry or not furry? I think I ended up making three larger distinctions with smaller gradients inside each, because each of these will usually vary widely between people.
A. Furry-As-Fandom-Membership
Furry is almost always treated like a fan definition rather than a professional one. Someone can then claim membership or non-membership, but to a certain degree, one can also deny membership despite having all the other hallmarks. Hallmarks usually include, as its premise of the fandom membership, being a fan of anthropomorphism (usually of animals, depending on your other definitions). I think some people drag this a bit too far--if you ever liked Bugs Bunny at all you MUST be a furry (in which case my dad would be a furry and you'd have to stretch that definition REALLY REALLY HARD).
I think most people in the fandom would reasonably assume that if you're a fan of a property DUE TO the presence of anthropomorphism, and that said presence could reliably predict your enjoyment of other properties, then you are probably a furry, as in, IF you were to seek out a fandom that covers your interests, this one would be it. Creating a new fandom just to avoid the word "furry" is in this case redundant, despite what one might believe to be its inherent flaws. After all, one can be a gamer and not associate AT ALL with the abuses that go on in tournament play fanbases even if they're the largest fanbases that gaming currently has--it doesn't make one LESS of a gamer to do things differently.
B. Furry-As-Fandom-Clusivity
Clusivity is the distinction between being either inclusive or exclusive. This means whether or not we call works made outside the fandom "furry". Since furry is a fan-definition, unless somehow furries creep into the professional world, occasionally when people say "Furry" they mean fan-created work only, and not professional work that happens to have fans in the furry fandom.
Fandom-centric work, that is, media specifically made for furry consumption and not general public, is often seen as pandering. But most furries first established their interest in the furry fandom from work that was not fan-media (Sonic, Lion King, Star Fox, D&D, TMNT, Rescue Rangers, werewolves, Looney Tunes, MLP, a random character from any media that doesn't even focus on anthro, etc). While each of these usually have their own fandoms that are not furry--that is, fans of these properties for reasons other than their anthropomorphic fixation--it seems odd that membership in the furry fandom ought to instantly exclude the non-fandom properties that attracted their fans in the first place.
But as I have said it is a fan definition only--the furry fandom is sizable but not so much that it's a demographic with considerable buying power, or else the market would be more sustainable than it currently is. So, most properties, unless they are made by people who identify with the fandom, would not be considered to be geared for the furry market in particular, but would nonetheless find fans in the furry fandom who will think of it as furry, regardless of whether or not it's "furry" in this sense of the word.
(Also, this occurs whether or not they appreciate the considerable amount of porn they're invariably going to generate.)
C. Furry-As-Fandom-Composition
This is the one that is more up-in-the-air because we're usually running on definitions of furry that are simultaneously paired and also exclusive from one another. This is not to say these definitions do not have crossover demographics--they do, and to a considerable degree. But it has caused consternation and confusion in the past when, say, How To Train Your Dragon AND Toy Story 3 were both nominated for an Ursa Major Award in 2011.
When we say "furry" there's almost no question whether a fox person who stands on two legs and talks is counted as a furry or not. It's almost the literal definition, as any definition of furry would be hard-pressed to exclude a bipedal fox character from the definition. So, this one is usually easy--it's when we move out from this into the more vague areas of the definition that it gets harder for some people to agree whether it is "furry" or not.
For instance, is the movie Cars "furry" (if we were to speak inclusively)? As in, would you really expect it to appeal to the exact same demographic that sees the bipedal fox as the most basic ideal? When put up like this, it's easier to see where one might and might not agree to these being in the same fandom, because to an extent they are not.
Besides the narrower technical definitions (machines with human bodies, taurs, whether lizards should be furry or "scaley") there's often a divide in the fandom I have noticed, and it starts from basic premises. None of these premises are "more right" than any other because, just like the narrower technical definitions, they rely entirely on the taste of the individual.
We COULD mean 1)"furry" is JUST the house style of anthropomorphic animals and animal-like things, 2)"furry" is all animals-in-media regardless of degree of anthropomorphism, or 3)"furry" is the same as anthropomorphism of any kind so long as it's not 'just human' (or sometimes even 'just animal') and therefore shouldn't favor premise 1 over any other.
These are all radically different premises. Nominating How To Train Your Dragon confuses both 1 and, to a degree, 3, because the movie goes out of its way to make sure its dragon characters are seen as animals, even if they're a BIT idealized for humans. It confuses 1 all the way because there's not even a BIT of funny-animal going on, even if they LIKE the movie (though they'll usually show their appreciation by MAKING the animal characters sufficiently furry). People who start from definition 2, because they see the fandom as a base for appreciation of any animals in media whatsoever, wouldn't see any problem with the nomination.
Nominating Toy Story 3 confuses both 1 and 2, even though by all technical accounts it fits into premise 3 which we PRESUME to be the full scope of the fandom. Even if Lotso might technically push the definition, he doesn't make it a furry story by premises 1 and 2 any more than Alan Rickman makes Die Hard a British film.
Now, this is mostly conjecture on my part of where I think a lot of confusion and dissension crops up in the fandom based on my analysis of how the word furry is used--that is, what we think we're saying when we say "furry" and the sorts of expectations we have of the fandom as a result. You might not even think of furry as being premise 1 2 OR 3 exclusively, but if you find something "off" when something like Cars is brought up in discussion of furry, it MIGHT help to understand which definition you're basing your assumptions off of.
Personally, I think that there's a large part of the fandom that runs off of premises 1 and 2 and are bothered that 3 always needs to be dragged in even when they're not interested, but they can't go off and play with their own definitions because we have to acknowledge 3 all the time, like we're nodding and saying "yes, I suppose I'm part of the fandom thatfinds Lightning McQueen sexy thinks anthropomorphic cars are inherently neat" and actually thinking maybe they belong somewhere else.
Usually, we have a premise of expectations when it comes to our definitions. This is going to be more conjecture than the original post, which was closer to direct reporting.
So what do we believe furry IS when we say something is furry or not furry? I think I ended up making three larger distinctions with smaller gradients inside each, because each of these will usually vary widely between people.
A. Furry-As-Fandom-Membership
Furry is almost always treated like a fan definition rather than a professional one. Someone can then claim membership or non-membership, but to a certain degree, one can also deny membership despite having all the other hallmarks. Hallmarks usually include, as its premise of the fandom membership, being a fan of anthropomorphism (usually of animals, depending on your other definitions). I think some people drag this a bit too far--if you ever liked Bugs Bunny at all you MUST be a furry (in which case my dad would be a furry and you'd have to stretch that definition REALLY REALLY HARD).
I think most people in the fandom would reasonably assume that if you're a fan of a property DUE TO the presence of anthropomorphism, and that said presence could reliably predict your enjoyment of other properties, then you are probably a furry, as in, IF you were to seek out a fandom that covers your interests, this one would be it. Creating a new fandom just to avoid the word "furry" is in this case redundant, despite what one might believe to be its inherent flaws. After all, one can be a gamer and not associate AT ALL with the abuses that go on in tournament play fanbases even if they're the largest fanbases that gaming currently has--it doesn't make one LESS of a gamer to do things differently.
B. Furry-As-Fandom-Clusivity
Clusivity is the distinction between being either inclusive or exclusive. This means whether or not we call works made outside the fandom "furry". Since furry is a fan-definition, unless somehow furries creep into the professional world, occasionally when people say "Furry" they mean fan-created work only, and not professional work that happens to have fans in the furry fandom.
Fandom-centric work, that is, media specifically made for furry consumption and not general public, is often seen as pandering. But most furries first established their interest in the furry fandom from work that was not fan-media (Sonic, Lion King, Star Fox, D&D, TMNT, Rescue Rangers, werewolves, Looney Tunes, MLP, a random character from any media that doesn't even focus on anthro, etc). While each of these usually have their own fandoms that are not furry--that is, fans of these properties for reasons other than their anthropomorphic fixation--it seems odd that membership in the furry fandom ought to instantly exclude the non-fandom properties that attracted their fans in the first place.
But as I have said it is a fan definition only--the furry fandom is sizable but not so much that it's a demographic with considerable buying power, or else the market would be more sustainable than it currently is. So, most properties, unless they are made by people who identify with the fandom, would not be considered to be geared for the furry market in particular, but would nonetheless find fans in the furry fandom who will think of it as furry, regardless of whether or not it's "furry" in this sense of the word.
(Also, this occurs whether or not they appreciate the considerable amount of porn they're invariably going to generate.)
C. Furry-As-Fandom-Composition
This is the one that is more up-in-the-air because we're usually running on definitions of furry that are simultaneously paired and also exclusive from one another. This is not to say these definitions do not have crossover demographics--they do, and to a considerable degree. But it has caused consternation and confusion in the past when, say, How To Train Your Dragon AND Toy Story 3 were both nominated for an Ursa Major Award in 2011.
When we say "furry" there's almost no question whether a fox person who stands on two legs and talks is counted as a furry or not. It's almost the literal definition, as any definition of furry would be hard-pressed to exclude a bipedal fox character from the definition. So, this one is usually easy--it's when we move out from this into the more vague areas of the definition that it gets harder for some people to agree whether it is "furry" or not.
For instance, is the movie Cars "furry" (if we were to speak inclusively)? As in, would you really expect it to appeal to the exact same demographic that sees the bipedal fox as the most basic ideal? When put up like this, it's easier to see where one might and might not agree to these being in the same fandom, because to an extent they are not.
Besides the narrower technical definitions (machines with human bodies, taurs, whether lizards should be furry or "scaley") there's often a divide in the fandom I have noticed, and it starts from basic premises. None of these premises are "more right" than any other because, just like the narrower technical definitions, they rely entirely on the taste of the individual.
We COULD mean 1)"furry" is JUST the house style of anthropomorphic animals and animal-like things, 2)"furry" is all animals-in-media regardless of degree of anthropomorphism, or 3)"furry" is the same as anthropomorphism of any kind so long as it's not 'just human' (or sometimes even 'just animal') and therefore shouldn't favor premise 1 over any other.
These are all radically different premises. Nominating How To Train Your Dragon confuses both 1 and, to a degree, 3, because the movie goes out of its way to make sure its dragon characters are seen as animals, even if they're a BIT idealized for humans. It confuses 1 all the way because there's not even a BIT of funny-animal going on, even if they LIKE the movie (though they'll usually show their appreciation by MAKING the animal characters sufficiently furry). People who start from definition 2, because they see the fandom as a base for appreciation of any animals in media whatsoever, wouldn't see any problem with the nomination.
Nominating Toy Story 3 confuses both 1 and 2, even though by all technical accounts it fits into premise 3 which we PRESUME to be the full scope of the fandom. Even if Lotso might technically push the definition, he doesn't make it a furry story by premises 1 and 2 any more than Alan Rickman makes Die Hard a British film.
Now, this is mostly conjecture on my part of where I think a lot of confusion and dissension crops up in the fandom based on my analysis of how the word furry is used--that is, what we think we're saying when we say "furry" and the sorts of expectations we have of the fandom as a result. You might not even think of furry as being premise 1 2 OR 3 exclusively, but if you find something "off" when something like Cars is brought up in discussion of furry, it MIGHT help to understand which definition you're basing your assumptions off of.
Personally, I think that there's a large part of the fandom that runs off of premises 1 and 2 and are bothered that 3 always needs to be dragged in even when they're not interested, but they can't go off and play with their own definitions because we have to acknowledge 3 all the time, like we're nodding and saying "yes, I suppose I'm part of the fandom that
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Honestly though, I think it'd be great to put your writings and thoughts about this into a more cohesive essay or writing, all in one place. Maybe it's been done before, but its neat to hear what you have to say, and would be nice if it was all organized under one document.
Personally, I can't express how nice it is to see other people actually thinking and analysing and >trying< to get others to be aware of stuff too.
I live foe teh LOGIX
I'm enjoying these immensely
Don't try to describe what it is.
Try to describe the possibilities of what it could be.
From there, all of the possibilities can be explored.
I hadn't really realised how much detail you went into for this. you put forward a buttload of great points. :P
If you're interested, here are some articles I liked: Service, Furry Mythology, and The Structure of Furry. They also have a page about contributing.
And, unfortunately, I don't have much constructive commentary to add. You've hit all the major points I've considered within my years in the fandom, from the idea of the Looney Tunes fandom being inherently different from the furry fandom to the belonging of anthropomorphic cars and planes within the fandom.
I do have an interesting postulation to bring up, however: specifically in regards to planes and cars and magical clowns, I suspect some of the crossover between the idea of the furry fandom and these other anthropomorphic entities results out of, in part, a fascination with "other shapes" - transformation, specifically. Whether this be sexual or no, the fetishism behind adopting a different form seems to recur among people who enjoy anthropomorphic buildings, trains and what have you.
It's an interesting observation - albeit not properly supported by statistical evidence, and could thereby be bunk. If accurate, however, it would suggest that people are attempting to satiate definition 3 without having the most robust understanding of why the interest in non-animal anthropomorphism exists within themselves and others who share that interest. It may be that these people *are* attracted to the premise of "furry", but for broader reasons that may have to do with interests that are technically outside of the scope of furry. Not that this makes them any less a part of the furry fandom, but it does call to question what is a component of the fandom and what is an "aesthetic adoption" - is transformation a part of the fandom? Or is it a personal aesthetic interest? How about leather, and BDSM, and puppy play - are those part of the fandom, or personal incorporations into one's personal expression of such? Stuffed animals, inflatable toys and tentacle monster - none of these are necessarily inherently "anthropomorphic animals."
Not that I'm trying to be exclusionary. I wouldn't say incorporating one's personal ideas into expression is inappropriate - on the contrary, that's what brings richness to art movements (if furry ever gets to that status, which is doubtful but stranger things have occurred).
It's a puzzle to try to get at the "gestalt" of the furry fandom, a thesis that properly unites everyone - I've often said it's simply a "collection of people who enjoy the concept and aesthetics of anthropomorphic animals". The inclusion non-animal anthropomorphism would be easy enough to add in to that statement - "...concept and aesthetics of anthropomorphism" - but that doesn't really seem to get at the real gist of the fandom, in a general sense. The best way to explain this is through example; if you were told a convention about "anthropmorphism" was going on, and you showed up to Further Confusion, would you be seeing what you more or less expected? Or would being told it was a convention about "anthropomorphic animals" seem more in line with what you'd end up seeing?
Of course, that's also based entirely on each person's personal expectations. But I figured it's worth a mention, since I do think there are compelling reasons to believe anthropomorphism and anthropomorphic animals are, in effect, not entirely one and the same appreciations.
But of course, each person will draw their own relative lines somewhere, as with all categorization!
At least, for me, "anthropomorphism" has always made sense - there's a distinct difference between appreciating the aesthetics of something and appreciating *assuming* the aesthetics of something. But back then, there might just not have been that much contemplation on it - it was a much smaller crowd back then, the members of which were all talking about enjoying cartoon characters for a pretty long time. And there's certainly enough overlap that the difference between the two might not be so inherent unless you just really sit down and philosophize on it.
Though I suppose there are some parallels to associate between adopting the moniker of a particular character and "assuming the aesthetics of something"... you see it somewhat in the anime fandom, with people cosplaying and taking nicknames based on characters they like, but perhaps not to the same extent.
As do certain Transformers, while many of them clearly exhibit animalesque forms, the human ones seem to automatically be excluded, I'm noticing. Which I guess is the fandoms version of saying, "hold on a sec, maybe this shouldn't be here." Although, permitting it to certain degree's anyway. (Such a cool fandom )
This isn't the first site I would visit, to get my gundam fix, that's for sure. But when I see a bit of awesome macro gundam art, of course I fave it.
People who object to analysis seem most often to be people who for whatever reasons, don't actually fully understand the analysis or underlying tidbits of how and why that it produces. They know they find the joke funny, but if you explain why it's funny, and they don't fully understand the explanation, now the thing that was a cause for mirth is a cause for inadequacy or insecurity or whatever else they feel by being presented with something they don't understand.
I love being aware of why I like something I like. I love being able to articulate the specific reasons and workings of my enjoyment of a thing. Most people seem to stop at "I dunno, I just do" and that's the best they can honestly do to explain their enjoyment of a thing. It's fine when that's all there is to it - taste/preference doesn't always have reasons, sometimes you do just like things for no discernible reason. But it sucks when you try to discuss a topic, weighing merits and faults, etc, and someone who "just likes it" steps in and just gets in the way of anything other than "yes, I like it as well."
Despite liking to be intellectual and tending to write my ideas densely in long sentences with big words, I have an aversion to jargon. It is good for academics but cuts short the discussion for laypeople.
A poem by Croc O'Dile of TigerMUCK which captures a bit of what it is to be furry.
If the true meaning of furry you wish to understand
You must think in terms of paw and not hand
You must release your mentality from society's cage
For furry prefurs no race, sex, persuasion or age
You must sort through the hype and the exploitation
Because to be furry needs no justification
It is to reach out and embrace the unknown
To be surrounded by friends and yet still be alone
It is not a gimmick or a political movement
It's nothing so pretentious as a method of improvement
It's only to seek solace in the presence of friends
For when one is furry, the search never ends
It is sometimes to be controlled by one's emotions
It is to often be unsure of depths of devotion
It is the sweet pain of impossible dreams
It is never quite as close or as far as it seems
It is feelings being known without words being spoken
It is the inevitable occasional heart being broken
It is the type of love that now seems cliche
It's experience gained from having learned the hard way
It's a smurgle, a fuzzle, a rumble or purr
It's scales and whiskers and tails and fur
It's what we are, not outside but within
It's the binding force that makes us all kin
It's a howl in greeting to friends held dear
It's a bristling growl when confronted by fear
It's a friendly lick or scritch to show that we care
It's a deep understanding, a compassion that's rare
If what it is to be furry you still don't comprehend
Then consider this advice, my curious friend
If you're willing to respect that which you don't understand
Then come take my paw and I'll take your hand.
-- Croc O'Dile w/help from Tony DeMatio - 6/95
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That being reposted, please accept the advise from an old fart that has been in the fandom for 20 years now. For your own good, forget it. Ask 10 furs what furry is and you get 15 answers... if you are lucky.
There have been flamewars and movements and none led to a even remotely clear defintion of what furry is. Find your own definition and ignore everything else.
My two cents and good luck whatever your decision will be.
Those fans were made rather uncomfortable in science fiction fandom, being labeled as "skunk fuckers", so they eventually broke off and formed their own gatherings, zines, BBS's, and eventually their own cons. As they presented a fandom that centered around anthropomorphic animals, they attracted members who had interests across many genres of media featuring such characters.
Those cons were still fairly exclusive, more of a club involving those who were well connected. The rising popularity of the internet in the mid-Nineties changed all of that, bringing in a flood of new people. The exclusive club suddenly had a lot more new members, and the cons swelled with attendees. And that brought certain complications....mainly that the new generation of fans had interests that went beyond the original mass media, but started to include alternative spirituality (therians and shifters and totemists) and alternative sexuality.
The cons as a result started to look a lot stranger and started to attract a lot of negative attention.
Members of the old generation of "graymuzzles" started complaining at length about this new generation of fans and how they really wish that they could purge the fandom of these unwanted elements.
Look up the whole "Burned Fur" movement to see the apex of this drive. There is no drama storm in the whole Furry Fandom that compares to it. Not that it did any good in the long run, as the old generation realized that the fandom has no formal structure and that you really can't ban anyone from it. Sure, you can ban people from cons for bad behavior, but as far as the fandom at large, no one has any control over it. It didn't help that the "Burned Furs" ultimately imploded due to internal drama, and the events of 9/11 swept away what was left of it as people realized there were bigger issues to worry about than fandom politics.
Turns out, as I've gathered over the years, enforcement by raw shame is practically impossible over the internet. Sure, you can shame individuals, but rarely everyone at once--and without being yourself an anonymous mass, the act of active shaming, and indeed communities based around shaming, changes them in such ways that they become suspicious of one another simultaneously. The same thing happens in governments, usually just over longer periods of time as information control is SOMEWHAT possible and there is actual authority in place.
What I learned then is you can't carry out such mass campaigns on the internet AS SUCH . . . you can really only learn to work with both sides. And if you really want to define the fandom, stake your claim and don't go out of your way to provoke anyone else. Which is why despite all that, furry HAS mostly managed to avoid being narrowly defined as (just) a fetish, despite people on the outside and inside insisting that's all it can amount to.
I've noticed that the Brony community has this same problem, though they've been somewhat more cognizant that it's impossible to really stop these problems altogether on the internet, probably because they're more internet savvy than people were in the mid-90s.
What some of them wanted, at least, was to be able to participate as creators in the mainstream comics and animation industries and not be looked down upon because of their membership in the furry fandom. So if there was no fandom, that would have served them just as well as having a clean fandom.
They underestimated how on the internet people can gather into smaller groups to support each other, so even the pariahs still find people who will accept them. And they didn't realize that things change so quickly on the internet that people can have very short memories. So their movement is largely forgotten now, and furries as a whole have edged more towards the mainstream, so maybe it's not quite the liability that it used to be.
Though I understand that the politics continue in places, amongst the people who organize the cons. I haven't attended any cons in quite a while so I'm not sure what is happening there, but that might be a good place to inquire.
Quite a stimulating discussion you've started!
I'm building my OWN empire from the ground floor up anyhow! I do hope though that the mainstream-ifying of the fandom will still allow for mature stories to be told without necessarily NEEDING them to veer into porn (as basically happened around that time, and still does happen but with a bit less obvious visibility), since I enjoy a broad range of stories and would prefer cartoon animals to be able to reach out of their former for-kids-only niche.
Best of wishes to you and your endeavors.
I really need to get off my ass and start drawing.....
Others were inkers of a comic series called 'Xxxenophile' when they started out. Xxxenophile was about sex and humor.... much humor. The writer and penciller of that one still makes his webcomic Girl Genius, which is published in print form and as PDF.
There was also the case of two starting german artists visiting a convention in the US and a publisher taking a likink to their artwork. Their comic 'Submissive Suzanne had several reprints of single issues before it was collected. A very rare occasion in adult comics. Back then they used an alias. Today they are a local mainstay and even teach about comics in lectures in schools.
Just to show that fear of loosing the job, while the risk exists and may be high, is not always valid.
As for your second paragraph,
Alan Dean Foster - Spellsinger series and Humanx Commonwealth seriesand other novels.
C. J. Cherryh - Chanur series
Mercedes Lackey - many of the Valdemar books can be labeled as furry (it has intelligent animals)
Randall Garrett - Gandalara Cycle has large felines that can create a mental link with humans. The main character (a visitor from our world) accidentally pushes his feline into full sentience (a great scene when he realizes what he had done BTW).
All mainstream writers which used furries or intelligent animals in their novels. Some dating back even before the fandom. WHich shows it is possible to write furry stories without needing to veer into porn.
BTW, one of the funniest lines I've read was in one of the Spellsingers book, were a four-legged male and gay Unicorn makes moves towards a anthropomorphic Otter. "You may be small, but you know what they say. Where there is a will, there is a way." It was at the end of the novel and the jonke is better if you read the build-up. It also happened at the last page of the book, so we will never know what came of it. The writer did that several times in the series, leaving it to the reader's imagination what may or may not havs happened.
As with everything else, everyone in this fandom stays here for some reason. Be it a fascination for anthropomorphism, social aspects, or maybe one or a whole lot of other things. Being a furry is a self-proclaimed 'title', and its a way of self-identification; ranging from just having an association to the fandom, to proclaiming the fandom as a lifestyle. So why do people identify as furries? As mentioned, there is about as many reasons as there are furries, but I would think that most members furry fandom do have in common that anthropomorphic characters is something we can relate to in some way or another.
This arises a fundamental question. What in particular is it about anthropomorphic characters that we find so relatable, and why?
The answers to this question are often very deep and personal, and they might to my belief form be the most unified clasifications of what being in the furry fandom is all about.
You seem to be mostly looking at >everyone else's< usage of the term, and simply trying to understand (and share that understanding) what the most common or shared usages are, what points are up for debate, when the usage varies, etc, etc. Basically, you're looking at the term objectively to see what the most reasonable and rational understanding of it would be.
Several people though, seem unable to read any of it outside of their own subjective viewpoint. People see you as trying to tell them what the definition is, or should be, or they just gloss over everything you've said and give a "well, here's MY definition" because that's the closest they can come to have something to engage the discussion with. You're analyzing the greatly varied usages of a subjective term as objectively as possible, but to people who can't look at things objectively, you appear to be speaking subjectively as well.
Basically, I just find it interesting that people lacking in ability to look at things objectively themselves also lack the ability to see when someone else is being objective, and assume that they're just being subjective too.
But I do think it still causes some confusion around point 1 because some people divide point 1 and 2 based on whether or not the animal can talk--and they couldn't in HTTYD, even though they had technically impeccable body language and intelligence otherwise.
Ah well, I don't care that much. If someone wants to consider any anthropomorphic object furry, fine with me. As long as they accept me to disagree. We can still both enjoy The Brave Little Toaster very much, I'm sure.
For instance, the creators of Toy Story, HTTYD, or any of the Disney movies, did not make their movies to be "furry". Put another way, they didn't make a "furry" movie, and they'd never see it that way. These things are "furry" because other people say they are, not based on the wishes of the content creator nor the intent of the creation. Bowser and Digimon are perfect examples of this. Never the purpose or wish of the content creator, just the result of other people's labeling.
In that way, you're "furry" if you say you're "furry" and not "furry" if you say you are not, regardless of any other properties -- at this point. Surely there is a core definition, such as the "house" definition you list; but if the term has become as generalized as suggested in your analyses, then the inescapable conclusion is that "furry" has lost all empirical definition and become a solely subjective, personal reality. In a more concrete example, that would be the same as you being classified as being Asian because you say you are Asian, rather than because of any phenotype traits that can be observed.
Taken to that farthest end, "furry" has lost meaning in the sense that it no longer has definitional power -- tying it right back to the opening point of it becoming degenerate. Ironically then, "furry" and anthropomorphism share identical "meaning space" then, just with anthropomorphism having an actual concrete, empirical definition while "furry" is just whatever we say. But hey, anthropomorphism is harder to type and speak, so there's that difference!
Dragons are at least animal-like, and have been living under the furry umbrella for long enough to be accepted into the 'feral critter' loophole. I don't count elves as furry. Painting them blue and adding a tail doesn't help.
I think people need to accept that furry is a very broad term that gets all kinds of people shoved into, whenever it applies or not.
Due to my interests in Cartoons, Games, SciFi and Fantasy I like pretty much anything be it alien, machine, fairy tale creature or talking animal.