This is a thing...? i give up on life

I'd rather donate money for boobs than potato salad.

i'd rather donate for sick children

And you should do that, if you want. People can choose what they want to spend their money on, it is their money after all. Nobody is forcing you to donate money to any cause. So let them have their fun.

i never said i'm being forced, i'm just saying this in my opinion is really stupid

That's just being rude though. I bet you would shit yourself in rage if someone said that on a journal asking for money for sick kids.

Not really. everyone is entitled to their own opinion~

Sure, if you think helping someone afford an incredibly expensive surgery for their transition so they can be happy and live in a body they're comfortable with is stupid.

You shouldn't have to pay to be happy with your body, its your body don't change it they way the media makes women think that a curvy body is the right body and that men need a toned muscular body to get women sickens me

Yeah but when you're born male and you're transitioning to female, you kinda need a little extra help sometimes. Hormones don't give you massive boobs, they usually just give you little A cup breasts and maybe she wants to go bigger. It's hard being trans and not having a body that reflects your gender, so sometimes you have to pay to get surgeries and hormones and whatever else to help your body along, it's not the media pressuring trans people to do that ;p

Thank you for putting it so eloquently.

I never said the media is pressuring trans people to do that, i'm saying you were born with that body, be proud! Don't try and hide it is what i'm trying to say don't pay to get the body you deserve don't alter your body just live with it

By saying that, you are kind of missing the point of being transgender entirely. You are not transgender, you have no idea what it's like being forced to live in the wrong body every day of your life and you can't just tell trans people to get over it and be happy with the body they were born in. It's both naive and insulting. If it were really that simple, there wouldn't even be trans people in the world and plastic surgery wouldn't be a billion dollar industry.

Do realize that the person doing this is transgender? She's probably having difficulties growing breasts that fit her body type, it's not uncommon in this case. I thought about getting breast augmentation myself simply because I was stuck at a "too small for my body type" size as well. It wasn't exactly fun but I no longer have to deal with that issue. If you're still extremely upset about this, then realize that it's not your body, and not your concern what she does with her body to be comfortable in it. And you can trust me when I say that it has nothing to do with the media in this instance.

Thank you for providing a wonderfully-stated perspective.

As a transwoman myself, I'm simply tired of being told just what I should consider as a standard of beauty. This person is preaching one side of the argument without taking into account the individual. She's no different than those who preach the other side. I'm just glad I was able to put it into words this time. No one, trans or cis, needs to be told how to look and what to do to their bodies (within reasonable health guides).

Also, you're awesome for doing this for your friend, and I'm happy that she has someone who cares about her. I've never talked with her, but we all know just how much even a little support does for a person.

I never said that i'm upset about this i just think its a stupid thing to do, altering your body if you're born a transgender be proud! Thats just me and yes i know i won't get it because im not a transgender, yea yea I won't get it i never will but im saying just be proud. Never meant to come out as an ass, realized that i seemed like an ass after reading my first comment -_-

You still sound like an ass.

"don't pay to get the body you deserve don't alter your body just live with it"

The reason most people transition (including the biggest reason behind my transition) is that we just CAN'T live with our bodies in their birth configuration. I'll be speaking for myself from this point on. When I was born as a male, it was the testosterone that was poisoning my mind. A mind that was built to run on estrogen, forced to run on testosterone, is a very very painful experience. Hormones will only take a body so far, and SRS (sex reassignment surgery) is very stupidly expensive, and something I desperately want in order to continue living without personal pain. This has NOTHING to do with how others see me, and everything to do with how I see myself/feel about the body I'm in. We only get one body per lifetime, and I just got the unlucky roll of being given one that really hurts to try to exist in. Telling me not to spend money to alter my body, and just live with it is highly inconsiderate and just plain rude. I know that your message wasn't intended to be directed towards trans people, but in this case it is. So you really should take a moment and consider just what you're trying to say, and if you should continue trying to say it or just apologize.

Another trans-girl here.

Imagine someone came along and cut off your leg, right now. Yes, it's like that; bear with me...

The brain knows what sort of body it's supposed to be steering about. MRIs on children born with birth defects have proven that the brain still has all the nerves firing in the right spots to operate limbs that the body never had; the wiring is laid out to operate a body with x number of limbs, a certain shape, etc. In transgendered people, it's the same thing as that phantom limb phenomenon. The brain freaks out (or BSODs, if you're a techie) on a regular basis, expecting the body to be configured a certain way, and it screams for attention whenever it's reminded that the anatomy doesn't map to the configuration files. Going the other direction, the incorrect hormones are setting off all sorts of alarm bells in the brain; in my case it was a constant fear of everything, that was killing me by inches. Not dealing with it is not an option. Hormones - at least for me - fixed all the problems I had with mood and outlook on life; most TGs I know say the same thing. Take hormones for a while, and you look in-betweeny, which is in a lot of cases just as noticeable, and makes people stare at you. I get it all the time, and I just stare back until people look away, but darn it, I'd love to just be unnotable. No one likes being stared at.

So, back to the phantom limb analogy, to relate it to something you might find more understandable: Someone cut your leg off. Would you pay money to have a prosthetic leg made up? You can go through life without it. Would you pay for that limb, so people don't stare at you, and so you can do things that are considered normal?

How convenient, i really just got my right leg amputated and i'm not getting a prosthetic leg, what happened happened and i dont care at all what people think so they can stare, call me names, make fun of me, what ever i dont care

A cosmically amusing coincidence.

Well... Hope it all goes well for you, but the true test will be how you feel about it in 5-10 years.

Oh? And how would i feel then? Hm? can you tell me from experience?

I just speculate you'll feel differently, having known a few folks with prosthetics. That's all.

no, i know several people with prosthetics and they accepted it even people who dont have prosthetics

Love the icon btw x3

Wow, dude, thanks for soapboxing.

Yes, there's a fundraiser going on for a trans friend. Yes, sometimes cosmetic surgery is a part of the transitioning process. Yes, the surgery is expensive. Yes, in an ideal world, we'd all have the bodies we'd want, and no one would judge.

But that's not always the case.

I'm not speaking for my friend, but from MY perspective as a trans individual. Perception and acceptance by others is a HUGE aspect of my transition. I want to LOOK completely female. Some people can pull that off with a year of hormones and some makeup. I know that /I/ won't, so that yes, I'll be looking at some surgery down the road, as well. So you can see why I would take offense to some of your statements, both on behalf of a friend, and on a personal level.

Because as selfish and superficial as it might seem to you, these are our own bodies. So when you come in with your negativity, trying to pass off grandiose claims on the evils of society and associate them with MY desire to be female, I take considerable offense. I'm honestly, too angry at this point to say anything constructive. Zynoth and Rapps said it far better.

TL;DR - Thanks for mouthing off. Try to understand more than your own perspective, however high in esteem you hold yourself.

Not trying to be an ass im just saying you were born with your body be proud of who you are! But if you want to get a stupidly expensive surgery fine be my guess im just saying to me, it's pointless and you shouldn't care what people think about you

It's different for everyone... most want it to feel more comfortable with themselves. Most don't care if other people see they have breasts, necessarily... but perhaps they would feel more at peace with, perhaps feeling the weight on their chest... because their mind is telling them they're a different gender, and it's like something is missing to them. It can be devastating and torturous to someone who feels physically wrong every day of their lives... like something is missing that defines them. While "be proud of the body you got" seems like a noble, righteous statement... when you can't experience the kind of discrepancy between your mind and your body for yourself, it's difficult to understand.

I had to get my foot amputated, i lost my job because of it and i can't walk. i feel physically wrong every day. i have to live with it. i don't have the money to get a prosthetic foot. I have to live with it. i'm proud. My job was helping out my high school MARCHING band with marching, i loved doing it and i cant anymore, i can't change that. yes they can get surgery and look like the other gender. great but i cant march anymore. I feel physically wrong every day. The point of all my posts are that this fundraiser is very stupid in my opinion and i'm entitled to my OPINION. Live with the body you have. Yea yea"i don't know what it feels like to be the wrong gender" whatever. you loose your foot and the ability to do what you love and then tell me you feel sorry for someone who FEELS like they are the wrong gender and want breasts.

Thank you.

I'm not sure what you expect... you're voicing an unpopular opinion where it's not appreciated. Your circumstances are different than someone else's. If you wanted to raise money for prostheses or something, you wouldn't appreciate someone telling you "ENJOY YOUR BODY THE WAY IT IS NOW." Just because you have a different set of values doesn't make your self-righteous attitude about what is right for anybody else any more valid.

If someone said that i wouldn't care, it's their opinion -_-

So, you're being very prolific across this page, and I'm still not entirely sure why.

You've said that you don't agree with the idea of cosmetic surgery. While that's an opinion, and you're entitled to it, I'm not clear on why you decided to state it here. Was there a purpose to saying it in this venue? Were you hoping to dissuade people from helping in this endeavor? I can only assume you're on some kind of crusade to convince other people of your opinion, otherwise you would have simply said your piece and moved on.

You're right that everyone has a right to an opinion, but in expressing yours, you've accidentally(?) stated that you consider the idea of transgenderism to be "stupid." Everyone has a right to state their opinion (depending on their citizenship) but when those stated opinions become hurtful, we enter a gray area. Yes, you have a right to an opinion, but I have a right to my own opinions as well.

My opinion is that this is a worthwhile little endeavor, and you have every right to disagree, but when you try to devalue my opinion, you're denying my own right.

I've argued online before. I understand the need to defend your own position from all comers, but I think that after a few deep breaths, we can agree that at this point, presenting your ideas on your own journal might prove more efficient than writing the same thing repeatedly on mine.

I never said the idea of trengenderism is stupid.
I never denied you your own right
and if you don't like my comments, simply hide them.

That's always a weird argument. "If you don't like hearing/seeing this, don't listen/read." There's a logical flaw to it, but I've never been able to pin it down.

I dunno, man. Like, doesn't everyone have a right to do what they want with their bodies without people judging them for it?

Regardless, whether it was your mission or not, you've trolled this post to the point where I'm bumping it for something else. So, congratulations, you got the thing that offended you so much off my front page.

I NEVER said they shouldn't alter it. Never once did i say that.
And PLEASE point it out to me where i said i was offended im just saying, it's a stupid thing to want to alter your body. Never once did i say i was offended or was moving to get this journal bumped -_-
So that's all on you~ Gratz.

Thank you so much Frogapus! -hugs-

I hope I didn't hinder at all!