I still love your art, hun. ^_^

Thanks I am glad that you like my artwork.

Cool

As much as I love your art, you really suck. I understand all the reasons people take art down, but stunts like this put you on the top of my '#1 jerks list'. Not that it matters. What fans want have never mattered and will never matter to people who do things like this. I'm just a random fan who had some favorite artwork taken down because an 'experiment' was over with and will probably loose a lot more when your next experiment happens. Ignore or rebuttal, I'm not reading it.

You should've known as an experiment it was bound to end sometime. I half expected it to end and am not surprised nor pissed off about it. You shouldn't be pissed off about favorites missing in your list. Always save artwork from an artist you like since a lot like to go off the deepend and delete everything.

By the way I was actually surprised to see Mike-son do some yiff and sure others were too. Don't get bent out of shape that Mike-son's not drawing yiff anymore. There are plenty of other yiff artists out there and honestly art should be paid attention to rather it's yiff or not. I just hope Mike-Son continues with regular art now.

So quite obviously you never read the main page. Where it said, clear as day, that the account was opened just as an experiment. It still has the same message and has not changed since the account was created. There were many experiments made using the account. If you have a problem with participating with experiments, than perhaps you should not have participated in it to begin with. You looked, you favorited, you contributed to the experiments.

And you'd be getting this exact same reaction if you had closed this account and kept the other one.

least we still get your art =)

Well I'm certainly going to miss all the sexy naked girls and yiff artwork. But lets wait and see what you post on this account. maybe it'll be just as good :)

Noted.

Why did you not continue it? Your art and animations were so good.

He did not continue it because it was only supposed to go for 1 year to begin with.

umm yes what the f why close an account its illogical

He closed it because it was just an experiment.

Ah, okay.

So how were the results of your experiment?
And it'll be nice to see some work on this account again X3

I do think that your reasoning is lame, no offense... experiment or not, people did like your work in that account.

But, as a watcher, it is not my place to interfere, and I will have to respect your decision. Doesn't mean I approve, however...

If you have a problem with experiments, than you had the option to NOT participate. Do not view his artwork, do not favorite, do not comment, do not watch. It was stated on the main page that it was just an experiment. That statement is also still there and has not changed since the account was created.

I'm cool with it either way, erotic or non-erotic artwork is still artwork to me. Keep the art flowing! Woo-hoo!!

I don't have an opinion on your closing the other account, as most of my favorites are general audience material anyway, but if the question you were looking to answer with this experiment is what I think it was (which account would get more attention), then I'd say it should have been a no-brainer.

The only way this fandom could produce the opposite results from what you no doubt found would be if it were entirely commercialized to the point where corporate-owned properties would be the mainstream and independent hobbyist artists like us would little or no role in what gets consumed within it.

It was already known between Mike-Son and I what account would be more popular. This was done because there were people who insisted on arguing that that was not true. It could be said that an artist was not determined by "what" they drew, but "how" they drew it. This experiment proved that it was indeed "what" you drew.

I'm curious as to whether the folks who argued against this opinion used any counter-examples (yeah, I was thinking Kacey M.) before the yiffmasters account was established, and if there is anyplace online where these discussions were conducted where they are still readable.

For the record, I still don't hold an opinion as to whether this audience's tastes are a bad thing or not (which is where arguments such as the one you addressed with this experiment almost always come from), just that it's inevitable given where this fandom sources the material it consumes (i.e. recreational artists).

I though the other account was so you could put you're yiffy stuff in a separate place then you're regular stuff.

Mike-Son and I have actually discussed that as an option and I think ultimately the decision is to keep YiffMasters a closed experiment account. Maybe somewhere down the road a new separate account will be opened to re-display the mature works, but at the moment, it is unlikely.

Are you still going to make Okami pics? And I agree with ACDCwuff.

I keep telling him he needs to. From what he tells me, he has plans for an Okami flash video. But since I have not played the game, he does not want to tell me too much as he would have to explain the scene to me and possibly ruin some of the storyline by accident.

Always enjoy your art though I am curious if you will do more and where they'd be, but as always enjoy your art and enjoy talking to you. Do you use the same messengers?

He does use the Yahoo messenger, but he never signs on.

I would like to ask, why delete all your old art from the other account?

The old account was an experiment. If you read the main page, it says everything.

That doesn't really explain why the art was deleted, all the journal entry says is that the experiment is over.

When an experiment is over you don't destroy all the work that was done for the experiment.

For an artist to delete all the work that was done for over a year feels like a slap to the face of their fans.

What if Max Blackrabbit deleted all the work he's ever done form his accounts and told everyone 'the experiment is over, bye'? Or if Sean Connery left the movie industry and had all the movies he's done wiped out, never to be seen or heard from again? Or if Beethoven had all of his music burned because his experiment of making great music was over?

He did not delete the artwork, it still exists. It was removed from the gallery as the final step to the experiment. How hysterical would everyone get that the art was removed? The difference with all of your examples is that none of them were conducting an experiment. Everything done on the YiffMasters account was experimental. There is still his main account. Mike-Son never wanted to draw mature art. He wanted to keep everything clean. We were discussing how to get him page views. I told him to draw porn, and that would get him page views. The answer to that was no, plain and simple. However, suggestive artwork was doable. Part of the reason everything was removed is because the results were gathered and if everything remained, the results would keep going and changing. There had to be an end. If he just said, "I'm done," more than half of the watchers would not be aware of it.

If you really have that big of a problem with the experiment and what was done, unwatch both accounts.

If they're not deleted then where are they? I can't see them on the other account, nor are they on this account. So where is it?

My examples were supposed to be in theory, that's why I included the words "What If", and my question still goes unanswered; what if great artists just deleted their work when the 'experiment' was over?

To that point, what harm does more page hits do to an inactive account? If the experiment is over and the data collected, then why should more hits count? You're no longer counting them, no longer using the data provided by the experiment; you can never look at the account ever again and you'll never have anything to do with it or what happens there.

If Mike-son is willing to put aside his morals for an experiment, why not make another new account and draw nothing but Cub Porn for a year to see how cub porn hits match up against normal G-rated ones? I think it might make a great experiment, especially since Mike-son isn't that against re-opening the Yiffmasters account (not sure why since the experiment is over)

And I unwatched both accounts because of the removing of the artwork when it first happened; I feel it's a big slap in the face to the fans when someone deleted their artwork and walks away. I found Mike-son's artwork because of the Yiffmasters account, but this kind of action really turn me away from any artist.

The artwork still exists, just not on the account. He has the originals and I have copies of the files as well.

Your question is unanswerable beyond the obvious. If they were participating in a giant experiment, than I think the answer is pretty self explanatory. What if great artists deleted their work when the experiment was over? Simple, it would be deleted. What more do you want?

The pictures were deleted because he did not want to take care of the account anymore. The experiment finished, so why keep up the account? If there was a way to actually delete the account, it would have been fully deleted.

Mike-Son never put aside his morals, he did not want to draw porn. He drew mature art, but nothing that was sexually explicit. Questionably suggestive maybe.

As for re-opening the account, it is being considered because there are so many people who found a nicer way than you have to bring it to his attention that they would like the account to remain active. As well as politely ask him to reopen and re-upload everything.

If you feel that un-watching his accounts is a slap to his face, you go right on ahead and keep believing that. Because honestly, it means nothing. FA does not inform you of when you are unwatched, nor does it say who unwatched you. So basically what you are saying is because he removed his mature art, you have no reason to continue watching him? I say good riddance. You are nothing more than a fap account if I have ever seen one.

"OMG, no mroe pr0nz!? fuk dis hax0r i'ma unwatch him and tht'll show 'em"

No, un-watching an account is not a slap in the face, deleting the art is, you must be mistaking what I said with something else. I've said it quite clearly in all my replies here that it was deleting the artwork that is the slap in the face of fans; how did you get 'watching and un-watching' mixed up with it?

And I said I unwatched both accounts; not because of the lack of porn but because of what the artist did. I actually never masturbated to the art in Yiffmasters account, it was never porn, it was good art. Art I liked, art that I felt was worth looking at and admiring. I'm sorry that I felt strongly about Mike-son's art.

So basically what you are saying is that, you prefer to look at everything and you never read the descriptions or the journals he posted? Every time he said something, anything, about the account being an experimental account, you just ignored/never read or listened to it?

Masturbating to his artwork has nothing to do with anything. If you did, congratulations, glad it made you feel good. You favorited YiffMasters artwork.

What about Mike-Son? Have you ever favorited anything on that account?

Out of 385 favorites, 16 pages displaying 24 pieces per page, you favorited 299 mature works and 85 general. And you have never favorited anything from Mike-Son. You did not stop watching both accounts because of the experiment or what the artist did. You stopped because you are mad that there is no longer any mature submissions. You never commented on anything of Mike-Sons aside from this journal, where all you did was bitch that you feel he slapped you in the face?

Yeah, I buy that. He betrayed you, you who has never commented, nor shown any other appreciation for the real artist. He slapped you in the face. You, who has never uploaded anything yourself, and even admit (right in your own journal) that you have the account for porn. You, who has been around for 2 years and the only thing you have ever contributed is one journal.

I got watching and unwatching confused with a slap in the face? No, it's basic psychology. He deleted the art from his alt account, so you unwatch him. You don't have to say it directly, it is a backhanded statement.

Yeah, I don't have anything favorited from Mike-son because I removed it all, just like I removed all of my Yiffmasters favorites (they were now blank submissions anyway). I periodically go through my favorite list to remove the blank submissions from artists who have deleted their work or if I unwatch them.

And you seem to be confusing it again. Watching and unwatching was not the slap in the face. I never said that.

As I said in the reply before, "And I said I unwatched both accounts; not because of the lack of porn but because of what the artist did." (meaning the deletion of the artwork)

And in the reply before that "And I unwatched both accounts because of the removing of the artwork when it first happened; I feel it's a big slap in the face to the fans when someone deleted their artwork and walks away."

And in the reply before THAT "For an artist to delete all the work that was done for over a year feels like a slap to the face of their fans.

Could you please point to where I said the watching and unwatching an account was the slap in the face? I thought all those were perfectly clear.

Also, unless I missed something Mike-son never replied to me, and I wasn't bitching when asking about why the account was stripped, unless "I would like to ask, why delete all your old art from the other account?" is bitching?

I am not confusing it, you are not listening. It is basic psychology, you do not need to say anything. You feel that because he removed the artwork was a slap in your face, you are going to unwatch him as a slap to his. It is the same as a backhanded apology, "well if I did it, I'm sorry." You don't have to say it directly!

Saying that my friend virtually slapped you in the face because he removed all of the art from his alt account is the same as bitching and is rather rude. So excuse me for getting defensive when I feel that my friend is being passive aggressively verbally assaulted.

Really? Wow, I never knew I was thinking that. Back when it happened I thought "Huh, that's stupid." And I deleted the favorites, unwatched both accounts, and left it at that. I never talked to Mike-son about it (despite asking for a reason, as I was curious) and had forgotten about it.

But, wow, I never knew those quiet actions that I did with no malice or hate was in fact me bitching and carrying on. What else can you tell me about myself that I never knew?

He thinks he knows you in real life. You know, because he's clearly met you and knows how you're a complete jerk in real life, don't consider anyone else's feelings, and other such things which are NOT TRUE. Because, you know. He knows you so well. Unlike me. Nope, I don't know him at all, do I other guy?

Watch your mouth, or I'll start some drama on your ass.

STFD

How about you? You're standing up for an artist that Shadow thinks is doing something stupid. You're not him/her, let this person stand up for him/herself. You look like a big ass by screaming about how Shadow's smacked this person in the face when your worshiped artist isn't even commenting on this thread.

My worshiped artist? I know Mike-Son in real life smart guy.

By the way, STFD = Stop The Furry Drama. It is a stamp that I made in my gallery.

That's a new one, I've always seen it used as "Sit The Fuck Down"

Oops, my bad. I have a picture in my gallery that explains it.

Where does it say in the closed account that all artwork will be deleted once the experiment is over? I've looked back and forth and I can't find it.

I even find this entry http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/303920/ where Mike-son says

"I cannot turn my back on all 1120+ of my fans who would miss my artwork. Just like I made a difference for that young kids life, Namonis video did the same for me. (Also, the people who have begged me to come back and sent notes I cannot forget you to)

If my artwork can touch so many lives, I will continue to draw my heart out…. For my fans."

Which came just after he said

"Ok some of this furry drama is getting way over board. I am going to put my Yiffmasters account on hold. I hate to do this, but I need a break from all this.
This page will no longer be updated as of today." in the previous journal.

So Mike-son can't turn his back on his fans, at least until the experiment is over?

Someone sent him a nasty note and that is why he was going to stop drawing altogether. I told him to ignore that one annoying person and to continue drawing. So are you saying that you want him to stop altogether? Okay, I'll call him right now and let him know.

He wasn't turning his back on anyone. He closed the YiffMasters account and left his main account open. If he WAS turning his back on anyone, he wouls have closed both accounts and said "goodbye." Almost everyone here understands it, you are the only one who is crying that he won't draw mature works anymore.

The only one? Really?

So Gatekat didn't say "As much as I love your art, you really suck. I understand all the reasons people take art down, but stunts like this put you on the top of my '#1 jerks list'."

Nor did ShadeRose67z didn't say "what the f why close an account its illogical"

Or Takara_Kitsune's "I do think that your reasoning is lame, no offense... experiment or not, people did like your work in that account."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those sound like the same thing, even worse in my opinion, they cursed and called Mike-son a jerk or that he sucks, I only asked why the art was deleted (and despite all this, Mike-son still hasn't said one thing about it, to me or the other fans), and I haven't said anything like that except feeling like fans of his work were slapped in the face.

Plus there's the people who complained that replied to the Yiffmasters journal about the closing. Unless I'm wrong, I'm not the only one who's complained about the closed account; even if I'm the only one continuing to talk, but that's only because you've continued to reply to me in the absence of Mike-son.

You know, you are right, because I never said "almost everyone."

So what about the picture I won?!

well it's your account but my god i'm afraid to ask how much hate mail you're getting over this.

Actually, he has not really gotten anything in the lines of hate mail.

oh good, yay for fans not being assholes

Yeah, well, most of them.

If you really WILL draw yiff piccis, use to hell* your own characters. it makes only problems if you use "trademarked" characters...

*i dont wana use the word here in the bad way. look my "furiotic artwork" if you wana samples. anyways, romance is the best artwork ever.