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We're happy to finally announce the preview of our UI Beta is now available! To opt-in to the UI Beta, simply click My FA > Account Settings and select "Beta" from the Site Layout option.
The Beta is still a work-in-progress. Pages are still being converted, edited, updated and revised, especially as we make improvements for tablets and smartphones. While development is done in a separate environment, changes to the templates can and will be updated during live usage and may cause momentary impact while updating (we'll try to keep live updates minimal).
Why a live beta? We felt that it was best to show the community that progress is being made, and we felt the community would be interested in watching the UI develop and would be interested in participating in the UI's development through feedback via Fur Affinity's Forum and watching the site's transformation.
FA Early Beta Preview: https://forums.furaffinity.net/foru.....-Beta-Feedback
FA EArly Beta Preview Changelog: https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....read-Changelog
NOTE: While code changes and fixes will be implemented during the beta this is NOT a full site recode. We are, however, fixing quite a few things and will list them in the Changelog/Update Thread.
NOTE 2: Per the changelog update on the forums, we know that A) some fonts are showing much larger than intended. We'll be fixing it and B) the site is NOT mobile friendly(yet). We do not recommend using the UI on a mobile device until we can fix a few issues which have cropped up.
The Beta is still a work-in-progress. Pages are still being converted, edited, updated and revised, especially as we make improvements for tablets and smartphones. While development is done in a separate environment, changes to the templates can and will be updated during live usage and may cause momentary impact while updating (we'll try to keep live updates minimal).
Why a live beta? We felt that it was best to show the community that progress is being made, and we felt the community would be interested in watching the UI develop and would be interested in participating in the UI's development through feedback via Fur Affinity's Forum and watching the site's transformation.
FA Early Beta Preview: https://forums.furaffinity.net/foru.....-Beta-Feedback
FA EArly Beta Preview Changelog: https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....read-Changelog
NOTE: While code changes and fixes will be implemented during the beta this is NOT a full site recode. We are, however, fixing quite a few things and will list them in the Changelog/Update Thread.
NOTE 2: Per the changelog update on the forums, we know that A) some fonts are showing much larger than intended. We'll be fixing it and B) the site is NOT mobile friendly(yet). We do not recommend using the UI on a mobile device until we can fix a few issues which have cropped up.
On a more serious note, I'm glad to see progress being made!
*mlg sad tune*
Oh dear! XD This sounds sooo fabulous! You made me start the day with lots of laughter. Thx for that~ :P
Take a look at some.. you could find euphoria like non other could bring yourself to.
For best effect, watch them VERY LATE at night.
Have fun
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Peace up, homie - CHECK OUT MY MIXTAPES
*pulls gun out of nowhere*
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Its a god damned Fursuit recolor is all it is.
So let me get this straight FA. You announce a site re-design, hire a rapist, he gets everyone to leave after they do all his work for him, then you fire him. ....then you wait and sit on your ass, sell the site to IMVU, then release Fur Affinity Phoenix under a new name so that you can trick everyone into thinking "Oh look! IMVU is a good thing!"
You're stalling politically. Badly I might add.
By the way it looks like a bad Weasyl rip off.
Also, everyone excited to wait another decade for that font to get smaller?
Oh, wait, it's Furaffinity. Yes it can.
Fite me m8
D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D
- Sephie, from FFVII (remake number 14, in same resolution)
(not to mention the profile pages resemble weasyl to some degree)
he just keeps making new accounts so he can harass people because they dont think what he thinks
instead of going where he belongs, SOME OTHER WEBSITE
"I've been on this site longer than 99.99% of people here so they don't have a fucking right to complain" Hahaha never heard anything so childish in my life.
Free doesn't mean free of criticism. Besides, stuff never gets fixed or problems never brought up if everyone just put their heads in the sand and said nothing.
In my opinion that is, what people are really upset about. They just have a different time, phrasing it right and complaining about the company, instead of the fact that FA secretly operated under new ownership for almost three month.
So, the point isn't that FA is free, the point is, that the contemporary FA is a slightly different one than before and people were left in the dark about it.
I'm a little confused, why is this comment thread off my comment? Square thumbnails aren't really my cup of tea (they're too misleading with the forced cropping issue) but it's not really "boycott" material--just an annoyance that keeps me from making that my 'home base' so to speak.
If it wasn't for the userbase, FA would die fast.
"Free" does not mean "beyond criticism". This site provides a service for the people that use it, and is therefore accountable for the quality of service it provides - and we're beginning to see people getting pissed off with being lied to, stalled, and ignored.
Regardless of THAT, even if the non-donating members shut up, there's still a massively vocal outcry from the donating members getting pissed off that their money has basically been wasted on useless things rather than being used to benefit the site.
But please. Continue to suck Dragoneer off. I'm sure he'll notice you when he's counting his tens and rolling off to the bank with FA's profits again.
But...you insulted people too though. Constantly. And your first comment came off as COMPLETELY uneceesarily rude and hostile telling people who just have an opinion whether or not they pay to "fuck off". That's enough for anyone to write off anyone else's arguments right there.
Not trying to piss you off, but just pointing out the obvious. You kinda went there too.
Yer a classy guy. Don't ever stop c:
Love this.
I mean come on. Just because people don't actually donate to the site doesn't mean they don't keep up with the upkeep.
- Commenting on problems in a constructive way helps add to the upkeep, whether you pay or not.
- Posting your artwork so that this site has something IN IT to bring others to said site helps the site. Without users, this site would be nothing, with or without payment.
It's a silly notion to think that the users here that don't donate are all in all useless to the running of the site.
this is the biggest furry site out there, yes? people are voicing concerns. seriously, what if FA were to die? it IS in archive team's watch list for sites in danger of dying.
take a chill pill, get a nice cup of tea. if you don't agree with something, try to maybe think of a better argument then, "your opinions mean nothing, fuck off."
So you being a long time member, you know how long FA has been the same. with its one visual update somewhere around 2007
People have been "leaving" for a while, regularly logging in to see if anything has changed. Just because they see the thing they had given up on ever happening, hooked in with a dishonest barganing chip, I'm not surprised people want to say something about it.
I think you're giving it too little thought when you start throwing "drama" and "wambulance" around like you're making a point.
Apart from that, you are right. It isn't that hard to create alternative accounts somewhere else and watch those favorite artists who fled FA already, except when people decide to have a problem with that, that is. I find it not hard at all to have an account here as well as elsewhere. Therefore it will be easy for me to go if the sale means that FA will become unbearable. Until then I stay.
For starters, and this is more of a personal problem, I have no option to view thumbnails of the entire image, so all art is essentially shown to me by giving me a picture of someone's face. Then I have to click EVERYTHING instead of just what I'm interested in, and I might get a faceful of something I would have preferred to see as a tiny image instead of a full size image.
And now, a major site problem for viewers: It's a very user unfriendly site. Tag systems SUCK. Nobody uses them properly. Most people won't be bothered to fill them in and nobody will fill them in for anybody else. There are many different ways to say some things so you may never even find some of the things you're looking for. Due to the lack of a strict category system, art of a certain kind can either get totally lost, or mixed in with other kinds of art you don't want to see (and then get surprised by thanks to the current thumnbnail system), and searching for art requires multiple separate searches of a subject because you don't know what words to ues, and they inevitably wind up intertwined with other things you have no interest in.
The layout of Weasyl also makes it feel difficult to find anything, since there are pages and tabs all over the place for everything, and everything seems laid out in a way that tries to force me to do the most navigation and looking around just to get my bearings. Sometimes favorites are on top, but other times they're on the bottom. Of course, the text for this is on the RIGHT, not the left, so you can't just check at a glance which is which. Then, much of the time there's a GIANT "recent submission" taking up most of the page and preventing me from just seeing everything I need to look at right from the top of someone's userpage. If I can't get all the important info (primarily submissions and journals) before having to scroll down, your design has failed.
That said, FA's new design is picking up both new advantages it needed, and terrible assfucks as well. Weasyl isn't a good site for the average joe to move to because it's a wreck, design-wise. Maybe it looks nice, but that's all that's "nice" about it. If you want the biggest slice of users, you have to make it easy for them. That's what FA got right. It'll be next to impossible to lose their userbase of watchers as long as it stays safe and comfortable.
At this point... my art is homeless... well it would be if not for DA. I dont do commissions or make money so I am happy hosting my images, photography, and avatar mods there just so they have a place to sit and be seen.
I'm not going against what you're saying, I'm just wondering that if you say there was no reason to take them down, then they wouldnt. I've had things not rated properly and all they do is ask me to up the rating for them
Hang on a minute...
Although there is the extra step of setting up a blocked tag list
but I agree about being stuck-there's not really anywhere else to go and we don't need more fragmentation from random people getting one or two people to join, because then it would be even more things to crosspost to and check.
I'm fine with the current theme, though other things are trying my patience.
New UI, I think, is pretty appropriate. They've just changed how people are interacting with the site. But, if they really want people to be happy they'll have to really consider the experience people are having when using the site, as well as how they can add new features to fend off stagnation. Until then, sure it might look new but you're still playing with the same old deck of worn out cards.
And how is it even a "bad Weasyl ripoff"? Aside from the colors, which would actually carry over from FA's dark theme, nothing is alike. A few things moved and it even has ADVANTAGES over Weasyl, like actually putting the fucking navigation buttons at the TOP of the goddamn page instead of assuming everyone will only want to change pages on the bottom! The buttons are bigger, they're not as far away, the browse page still doesn't use that shitty keyword+wildcard system that most people hate and would never use, thus driving away people who like just naturally telling the site what they want.
The positioning of the dropdown lists is stupid but other than that, the site changes don't make it "like Weasyl" any more than turning on the dark theme does. Everything has remained much the same as it always was.
Just look at the timeline of Fa Phoenix and IMVU and see for yourself.
I am not well versed with any other furry art site other than FA, so I am reluctant to leave.
As an artist, what happens when I do?
What will that say to my customers?
Some will be pleased.. others may think I am intolerant to change..
Maybe, that's how it has to be?
Facebook is shit, dA is worthless unless you are fucking famous..
I don't know where I am going with this.
I'm just not happy with what I am seeing, regardless of hearing out both sides of the argument, those who are for, and those who are against..
Then you should look on my page. I have every icon and text there.
Personally, what I would do (as I have) is move all my artwork to another site. I suggest Weasyl, since it looks and functions like FA would if FA had actually done anything it said would over the past decade. Then I would delete your art here, or change the submission file to a protest image and link to the image on weasyl or whatever other art site you use.
Yes, unfortunately you may loose a lot of customers, but if they don't care enough about your integrity and art to follow are they even worth having? Second of all, IMVU is going to do harm to us anyway, so if its unavoidable why not retain your dignity? And if IMVU is putting artists out of business then there should be no question they are bad news!
This is where we fight to keep our Fandom a Furry exercise, instead of a corporate interest.
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> Yes, unfortunately you may loose a lot of customers, but if they don't care enough about your integrity and art to follow are they even worth having?
I think you should go one step further and start using that site exclusively instead of participating here. It's a win-win, the people who aren't worth having are left here.
If you consider yourself a fulltime artists and most or all of your business comes from one site(not just FA, any one site) then you really fuckin suck at your business and you deserve to go broke.
FA is a shithole, always has been, and it's about time the place finally croaked.
1) Keep posts civil, constructive and polite
2) Keep discussion on topic to the post at hand.
3) Treat your fellow posters with respect.
Please keep the news post rules and policies in mind when making comments.
You're not a shareholder, and as such you wouldn't understand the ramifications of "Tabling conversations for a later time" by a CEO can cause lasting repercussions down the line.
Maybe fill out a job application too, while you're at it.
Because if you don't, you're not any better than them?
It may sound unfair, but life is sometimes unfair. We can't expect others to follow the rules, if we don't follow them themself - after that, all our arguments will be irrevelant, because we'd be hypocrites.
the size will be fixed im sure I mean its a beta lol
Its just blinging it up (badly) not making it useable. Its useless to ask, they aren't going to do anything...
I'm sure that the screenshots are sufficient evidence for any artists whose art has been stolen, so you'd probably accomplish more in the fight against art theft by sending the link to them instead of throwing it in a place they might not even check like a political pamphlet.
RE: The third post - https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....53920999477250
Fourth Link requires a full analysis that I don't have the time or energy to do right now, but skimming it gives the impression that it's emotional propaganda against some kind of great injustice or social problem.
(And I'm sure that a discussion on transfer of a furry art website's offical on-paperwork ownership certainly needs political rhetoric instead of reasoned responses and logic. {That's sarcasm, just saying so for clarity})
Oh, and here is what you have to do if you want IMVU to take it down.
First you would have had to have paid 200$ upwards to have your yiffy character federally copywritten.
Then you would need to get a DMCA legal form and fill it all out. Then you would have to carry it down to the courthouse and pay 50$ to file it and wait to see if IMVU even responded.
But in order to even SEE it, cause chances are it is adult work, you would have to pay IMVU 20$ a month, thats 240$ a year in order to see adult content.
So getting your art taken down requires you to spend about 500$ and thats just for ONE piece of art. Imagine if you have 20 pieces up there.
So in other words, very few people are going to do that. IMVU will get to keep that art up there and profit off of its sale. Its not that the art is up there that is the crime, its IMVU's complete lack of respect for it, and their insistence that us joining the "IMVU" family will be #Furriffic at the same time. #Furriffic Indeed.
Also, showing that you AGREE with that statement by Dragoneer blows away all your credibility, so I'm not even going to bother explaining the rest.
DMCA does not require paying "to have your yiffy character federally copywritten", nor does the DMCA process require filing anything at the court house. All you need to do is fill out a form and send it to IMVU's DMCA agent.
IMVU's Access Pass is a one-time purchase. It's absolutely problematic that misused art exists behind a paywall, but there is no need to make it out to be worse than it is.
You are in no way obligated to like or agree with everything that happens to FA, but please stick to the facts.
Wrong.
> Then you would need to get a DMCA legal form and fill it all out. Then you would have to carry it down to the courthouse and pay 50$ to file it and wait to see if IMVU even responded.
Wrong, you send a DMCA take down letter, there is no 'legal form'.
> But in order to even SEE it, cause chances are it is adult work, you would have to pay IMVU 20$ a month, thats 240$ a year in order to see adult content.
Wrong, anyone can screenshot and send you a copy of the offending link. There is no pre-requisites in a writing a take-down letter that states you must verify it as a first party.
...my only regret with that whole post is I'm certain it was a waste of time, as you'll read it, laugh, and continue your pitiful hate-fueled crusade against this site and IMVU.
Also your complaints and criticisms are warranted and civil, unlike some peoples', and that is appreciated by me, and more than likely the site staff too, although I won't speak for them. Thanks for being nice about it.
At a minimum keep the conversations distinct.
I thought it was the browser not completely loading.
...so wait, if i'm seeing that (or rather, not seeing it), does that mean that i'm seeing the beta even though i didn't opt-in for it? o.O
edit: nope, nevermind, it definitely wasn't the beta woah.
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls/messages/
I'm sure the notification will be fix.
Literally Dragoneer just released the half finished Fur Affinity Phoenix from July of last year after sitting on it till he sold it to IMVU so he can say he did something.
Its a re-color. There is no improved usability. Its like putting Armor All on a used car to make it look new.
UI: the skin of the website
backend: the engine behind it
get it now?
now please stop spamming with imvu bullshit on other comments.
let' give it some time, see if the money from imvu gave the neccesary motivation for actual changes.
I don't like imvu either, but there already is a change from Dragoneer, which is a good sign.
you said this skin is something that was done last year.
because EVERYONE though they made this in the last 2 weeks...
no. it's obviously something they worked on for a while now, and that is OKAY
It was FINISHED (half-done) almost a year ago. This is just what Zaush made for FA Phoenix before Dragoneer sacked him after he was accused of rape and turned out to be a jerk and made a lot of admins throw in the towel. Point is Dragoneer waited until NOW to release it. He's been holding it as a card for after he sold FA. Its meant to distract us by showing us something that's been "done" when all it really is is half finished crap from a year ago.
but as long as they really start developing it now, I'm okay with that too.
not happy, but okay.
all I mean is we should give time for it. if it stays like as it is in a month or two with no updates... well I'll be very pissed myself too.
but really, what else can I do than give another chance?
Hopefully they will fix most of that soon.
Think I will put of using the beta until it is significantly less gaudy.
Really not sure why they would even release it this soon.
I have to jump over formatting buttons to get to Post Your Comment which is pretty awkward.
The bugs and things that were apparent are still present but I couldn't agree more. This is a good place to start.
'and my favorite class is this pie.'
Mario Savio didn't politely and nicely go to the Berkeley board and go "Can we please have our first amendment rights please?" No he stormed the university center, and won. While I'm not yet advocating we throw our bodies upon the gears I'm certainly not going to quietly and meekly demand to be respected.
voice for improvements dont just complain
pretty much all you are doing now is screaming at everything trying to blow everything overboard.
Based on the history of your posts, the only thing I am genuinely getting from your posts is that you are overly dramatic and reinforcing the furry drama stereotype. I don't think you're doing us a favour.
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I just can't wait to see it finished. Maybe move the profile info back to the top so I don't scare off customers with my crazy fetish/likes XD and fix the scraps folder bug where when I try to view more of my scraps it takes me straight to the gallery.
But I can see the resemblance and how it feels. Weasyl's profile set ups fit how the profile is designed. Small space for profile info and BIG faves/submissions area. It should be evenly balanced since the profile info is how the artist expresses themselves to attract customers and to let people know what they are okay with or not okay.
Maybe they can make it like DA where you can manage your panels.
...Its a recolor. Its Fur Affinity Phoenix released half finished which he waited to do until after he sold the site to IMVU to make himself look good.
It doesn't do ANYTHING differently.
It's got a responsive web design now, much better for mobile devices.
I didn't say there weren't bugs. There are very evident issues on both forms, all of which have been pointed out already; so I don't feel the need to repeat them.
i recommend, not doing that
dont make furaffinity weasyl
keep furaffinity, furaffinity
I like the original layout much better, it is a big part of what makes Furaffinity Furaffinity in my opinion.
I hope they will have an option to keep the classic mode in the end.
I only use this site to buy commissions and fave stuff now - but the option to keep the classics would be greatly appreciated.
Opinion discarded :^)
Seriously?
Opinion discarded :^)
What the hell is going on..
I suppose there will always be supremacists but even so..
Fucking hell
I personally don't like it.
The site banner being bigger is nice though.
"Keep it the same!"
Make up your mind!
people demand change. they get change then cry about how shitty it is.
i personally like the beta, even though it is looking a hell of a lot like weasyl. they just need to make changes and make it more unique, but holy shit it's a step in the right direction imo.
I already mentioned it with the Project phoenix. Too cramped, too blocky, too weasyl
i migrated from e621 because the UI is generally the same, and the fact theres even artists pages, with all this interaction between them is wonderful. furaffinity is a content host, not web3.0
good job dragoneer
the rest is :/
Weasyl, Sofurry, Artstation, Drawcrowd... basically most art-sites have huge banners nowadays
Oh never mind. Carry on
But yeah I get its in beta so far, but...it's kind of a mess right now...hope it gets better
I'd LOVE to be able to move things around, this would solve a whole lot of nitpicking regarding the layout, and end arguments of "WELL I PREFER X ON THE LEFT/RIGHT SIDE."
But sadly it might take a decade until we have a chance for something like that. Would be super cool to have a bit more freedom on our profiles' designs. o:
Did that help?
right now honestly it looks absolutely horrible - such a mess >:/
Its throwing glitz and glam at us to distract us from the fact that nothing has changed.
The beta doesn't seem to take usability into account. It ends up looking disorganized.
The profile page area though imo is where important information goes and how artists Greet their visitors and welcome them to their page. shoving that down and off to the side is like tossing your Welcome Mat into the bushes.
I generally skip over the profile and check journals and art. I learn more about people there than I could ever learn about them in their "furry family" profile.
But for most artists who use their profile page area to display important and relevant information about their work and commissioning info and what not, it's really not beneficial to SHOVE that out of the way under the pics
Along the same lines, people could use the text info behind their Profile ID to put more lengthy information and whatnot. Could even add text to the Profile ID image that states there's commission info, etc to be found within the Profile ID area. (Just wanted to toss this suggest out there for anyone who may find it useful. I don't see enough people really -utilizing- the Profile ID beyond just having the image itself there.)
Mine stated for over a year that I was open for commissions, with a link to my pricing, but the only time I ever actually *got* any commissions is when I posted journals or submissions about it.
That is basic advertisement, though.
If one does not keep themselves circulated in the "New" feed, then it becomes difficult for people to find you. People on FA
can't search for artist's profiles, they can only search for new submissions. Journals also can't be searched on FA, either.
That means that only people who watch you get any new information from Journals.
it isn't "easy" to actively search for an artist who is open for commissions here
without their information being swept away by the "New" feed or their advertisement just
being profile exclusive.
It's more... if people can find you.
Commission info on Profile- Viewable only to those who look at your profile (no notification of change)
Com info in Journal- Viewable to those looking at your RECENTLY posted journal, or watchers.
(Unless they are the type of person who like to ruffle through Journal upon journal to find info)
Com info on a Submission- Viewable to people who look at your profile, Watchers, AND non-watchers (new eyes)
Submissions are Also SEARCHABLE meaning that even after you post, the info can still be found
without an update.
(Not to mention this is a VERY visual based community, meaning a picture ad will attract their attention more.)
Another thing that I have discussed with people over the profile verses commissions.
I have learned that if an artist does not State SOMEWHERE that they DO accept commissions (even time to time)
the viewer thinks that this artist is most likely an "Uncommissionable artist" without that statement.
And another thing discussed with people who are and aren't commissioners. Availability.
AKA having limited slots. From what I've been told OVER and OVER again by commissioners,
it's that having limited slots brings more attention for people to buy because,
"Oh no! There's only a LIMITED TIME that I can get this commission."
It gives people less time to think about if they REALLY WANT to buy a commission.
This is a big tipping scale for people to buy artwork. "Will I have this chance again?"
by example
"See art first": Having art at the top (like now)
"See profiles first": Having the profile layout like before.
The option could be user set, not by the artist. Why? Because if artists could set up that for their profiles, some people could force us to swallow a HUGE list that nobody cares about with their likes, dislikes, artists that drew them, etc etc etc just to see they don't have any art uploaded, or that they uploaded random stuff we don't really like. Besides, it would be very annoying to see some people with art first and some with profiles first.
And as an extra, it wouldnt troll people with OCD.With that, technically everybody would be happy; the ones who welcome the change and the ones who prefer the old layout.
As far as artist go, generally the top of the page is the best location to display their terms, rules, etc. Also people can easily click on the gallery tab to see what art is within said persons gallery.
That's bad. Hiding parts of the UI is never a good idea, especially something as important as the favorites display. I know I tend to pick up a lot of new followers, just because they saw my most recent submission in some other person's faves.
Having users have to make an effort to view them is going to seriously curtail traffic.
yes please. ;u;
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
And messed up my entire 'front' page layout on my page.
Can't say I like how that did.
Ehhh.. it could use a good bit of work guys
We know why your page is having those issues (the βββββ formatting lines). It's still a beta, so we're looking to identify those things and fix them.
I really hope you make improvments to that. Its terrible to look at, things are hard to find, its all just.. awful
To me it looks fine-ish, if be it clustered right now.
but the single most annoying thing is what ever that last update did to my notification bar! If im viewing watches, comments, or journals, then im trapped there unable to click on any of the hot links on my notification bar to refresh the page. I have to click out to my submission inbox and back or F5 the page in order to see new content. An it's frustrating because I have years of habit being disturbed by this one inconvenience.
So that is why on the original Layout I have to be zoomed in 125% to be able to read anything but on the new layout I don't?
Of course its appearance needs further optimization and a few changes, but it's already looking better than before, and I mean better as in, not a site made more than a decade ago.
I suppose you could use the "classic" template of the site if the new one annoys you for some reason, it's still in beta after all, so it's bound to have "issues" for lots of people.
but to be fair, there's not too many more routes an art site can take as far as layouts are concerned. at least yall are trying make it look like the site's just a fossil from the 2000s.
edit: OR LOL, THEY DID FOR A MINUTE I SWEAR
It's not at all phone friendly
I don't see why the site should be "fixed" when it isn't broken
The layout has been working this far just fine m
Unless this is the new IMVU owners ways..
The first thing I'd like people to see is my contact info and commission information.
Featured submissions are also important and that's going to be an issue for me.
Yes.
I really dislike the profile info being at the bottom. Being able to freely arrange like DA would be great.
Why? Would you do that?? Literally no other site doesn't have a "featured submission" feature.
I do hope they're paying attention to these comments and fix these issues.
I personally don't like how the gallery looks at the top of the page, and I'd like to be able to have my profile info back at the top again. Looks a lot sleeker though. I like the rounded edges of comments, and the typefaces that you have used for text. :)
(also, been a fan of yours for a while! <3)
btw, A thing: The "submissions" page doesnt have any space between the submission names and the artist. Put a <br/> between them to make it more readable.
- Fixing the "submissions" page
- Change the color of the "nuke" buttons in your inbox (xxC xxF xxJ) to have a darker red and lighter letters, because right now their text is sightly difficult to read well in some screens (including my cintiq)
- When its released, even if this layout becomes the default, offer the option for the old one, so people who hates change can stay with it, even if they lose some possible features.
- In each artist's page, offer a field to put above the submissions with artist info, or put the current artist info a the top. While its nice to have the art noticeable, sometimes I prefer to see who's the artist before having the porn right away. Or even more simple; it may act as a simple "cover" if you're browsing fA in public and dont want to close the artist page. You just go to the top . xD Or even better, offer an option so everybody can see the profiles as they like it the most.
Thats it for now.
"The Beta is still a work-in-progress. Pages are still being converted, edited, updated and revised, especially as we make improvements for tablets and smartphones.
you guys like to jump to jump in without reading, eh?
Majority of the comments I'm seeing are along the lines of "just change it" without giving any direction on where to change it. I've only seen very a handful of people giving technical feedback for the bate to fix.
I'm seeing a lot of criticism, and not a lot of constructive criticism which is funny seeing as this is an art site. People should know that saying something looks like shit isn't going to be helpful if you're not going to say something constructive so people know what to fix.
Some people act like a bunch fo spoiled brats.
http://abload.de/img/29dug5.jpg
http://abload.de/img/3yqu7n.jpg
(I really like this current design, even if it is outdated)
That's...really not good.
The lack of a featured submission is also a point against it.
The banner is fantastic by he way!
I also like the edition to the Site news. It is very helpful.
I have a question.. For the journals that we make ourselves. Would it be possible to have a check box system for those? to make it easier to delete or find certain journals? (it would be mighty helpful if so)
It's better to have the profile info at the top to put better emphasis on important information, as is a lot of people have trouble noticing these things
Also my own opinion, making the submissions box on half of the page is a lot less obtrusive looking, there's jut as much information in the half-box view as in the wide screen view without it looking really gigantic and weird. Favorites would be better in the half box view and just under the submissions as well, the way they are in regular layouts, linking the favorites and submissions so closely is offputting
yeah, it looks way so much like weasyl
it feels like a copy
...sad but it's still progress.
honestly, if it werent for the money, i wouldnt be here ngl
It's alright.
Journal problem, however. It looks like a page with just text and no HTML formatting in the journal area (like when a page half loads, it's white, literally everything is aligned to the left, etc) That kinda thing.
But uh, yeah it looks alright. It doesn't look like it's been stuck in the late 90s anymore. The big thing I notice is that text is much larger. Could read on a 4K monitor.
Did I die or something along those lines?
On a more serious note, it doesn't look bad, but it has an unnatural "zoomed" in feeling, as when you use the zoom option in your browser accidentally, doesn't feel that comfortable I just can't put my finger on exactly why. Also, It feels as if there is too much space between the info in the comments and the decoration parts as the rounded rounded border areas, giving a feeling of negative space.
Outside of of that wow... just wow SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED
Go there~
Besides, people almost always complain about the new layouts everywhere, from facebook to youtube. Give them time to fix the bugs and then to people to get used to it.
Losing everything can be a very good motivator. lol
However; I do agree with the others, placement of where things are put were very poorly chosen and should be revisited sometime in the very near future. However that is basically my only complaint so far as I have switched back to the Default FA format just to compare them. lol
Is that such a good idea? When you have no messages, that's one less link to access the notes system.
But it's not like there aren't other means, it's just maybe the familiar one that people use.
A quick spin under the new beta style, it's alright, things moved around, I see there's a quick search bar globally. I think I still prefer the classic style since it has a light design though.
FA should be trying to enhance the things that have drawn their audience to them. Not copying some other site, just to be trendy.
Another issue on the same subject: having to move a submission into your scraps for your profile ID has never been a good idea., and scrolling through every submission ever to find the one you want is awkward. How about a checkbox when you edit the commission info? Think about it.
Also, I preferred the profile info being at the top so people might actually read it.
Overall, though, not bad. Feels more modern.
Also I can't figure out how to edit a current gallery image to put it into scraps >_>
Right under submission category you can select to put it in scraps! :D
Also, not sure where "Submission Category" is on there.
Then beneath it on the left side, click "change info" http://gyazo.com/6f69f9482c4f8a3dbbbf27b86db7feaa
Then, click on "put in scraps" beneath the Submission Category dropdown menu. http://gyazo.com/fef132a9942f68726bbe7acf067f6f0d
Hope this assists you! :D
I'm talking about in the Beta preview that the post is talking about.
See: http://i.imgur.com/YwpbLCp.jpg
I feel like a dumb now, but it was an honest mistake
Also agreeing with you on profile info location. I don't know why everything has to be spread out so much and statistics has to be a fat pig and hog all that screen space, either. Do people really need to know I have XYZ total comments when they are probably really looking for a link to my commission status journal?
Though I appreciate that FA is trying, the impression I'm getting of this new layout choice is changes for the sake of saying you changed it, rather than a real effort to actually improve anything.
The front page looks like a clusterfuck with different thumbnail sizes like that.
I think the page shouts take up too much space.
Overall, good direction but definitely needs adjustments.
I look forward to seeing future progress.
everything could also be a bit spaced out like it is on the current website. everything feels very large and packed together, though i do like the general format of it all.
despite this, it also does feel like the website is becoming something closer to Weasyl, format wise?
regardless, i do understand that this is a beta, and is to be worked on! i am anxious to see what's coming up next o:
OMG IT LOOKS TERRIBLE.
ITS A BETA
Oh and it's a weasyl ripoff.
They looked nothing alike until Myspace tried to gussy itself up AFTER Facebook came out trying to copy its design so it could "compete" with FB.
If Myspace had stayed the same and not changed... TONS of people disappointed in FB would have gone back to Myspace and said **** FB! I know I would have. D:
Try a better comparison. ;)
why is there no search option still in the notes to be able to search notes, and why are there still no art folders for this? are you planning on adding these things? or are you just going to ignore years and years of requests for especially the second thing I mentioned?
But if you really want to get art from someone I'd suggest you to take a note outside of FA, and maybe if known add the price rage for what you want too, with such a list it'll be easier to organize your art-shopping. And you have an over view even if offline and when checking your savings, without going searching and comparing tab by tab. Don't rely on FA too much! xD
One thing I noticed is the fa extender is broken, but I was expecting that since it's a third party item.
One thing I can say right now is I don't like the comment box font. it's too thin. it's hard for me to read.
another thing. the notices and hide/edit/reply buttons are too far to the right.
I'm not going to lie. I was shocked when I first clicked for the "Beta" option and everything refreshed. It took a minute for everything to fall into place, but once it did I was REALLY enjoying myself!
This looks fantastic. I really love it!
One thing I would like to point out for a fix: My submissions on my user page do not show the submission title.
http://i.imgur.com/fG2OGNZ.png
It looks bad, and it's unreadable!
Small fixes, but this stuff reaaaaallly needs fixing for usability's sake. I like the overall style, though. Maybe widen the margins a little for readability, as well?
Apart from that it looks good for a WIP. Excited to see a change and see where this is headed. :)
Also, I'm assuming this is going to happen, but buttons (like Post Your Comment) need to have some sort of hover state, so they don't just look like images.
I'm gonna switch back to the original for now and check back periodically.
It's like FA don't even know /why/ people use it.
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
Oh and they're all stuck in 2005.
Anyone?
In general not that bad. But please do your very best to change the font size as soon as possible. I had to change the tab's site via ctrl+ - two times so it looked properly, and having to do that every time I open FA would be super annoying on the long term, and that definitely for a lot of others aswel! :3
They definitely need to work on the fonts, since 'resizing' the entire window also makes everything else smaller, and that's again a bit annoying... But it's a beta, let's give them a bit of time with it. Better than no change at all. :P
I would prefer a brighter contrast with all the text though.
Before I get all nostalgic and nay-saying, I'm gonna give it a try for a while. I'm the last one to like ANY change, so we'll how I go with it.
Will the submission names be visible on profile page in the final version of new update or not? :3
Otherwise, this layout needs to get used to with and IΒ΄m definitely looking forward to see how this will come up in the end :3
Can we expect folders soon then?
Then I could know who replied to who during big comment piles.
Is there any chance we'll still be able to keep the classic layout as an option, atleast?
I'm hoping one day to be able to reply to shouts directly on my page and such, not sure if that was on the to do list when mentioning upcoming features.
I miss the small text, so I opted out pretty quickly - I'll stick with the old layout for now.
Edit: Also why is the profile information at the bottom it looks terrible. User pages expecially are absolutely horribly redesigned. :///
It's ok to go for a minimalist theme, but don't do what skype does with chat and make it impossible to immediately visually distinguish from one comment to the next.
The header and bar take up way too much space compared to the original, and in general for a new layout I'd motion you take what exists already and improve upon that instead of taking what another site does like you're currently doing.
Went back to Classic, images re-appeared.
Also of great note:
The FireFox plugin FurAffinity Filter is INCOMPATIBLE with the new theme.
Well, at least it's a step in the right direction, props to you.
Hey coders.... how about a SoFurry theme, too?
https://twitter.com/furaffinity/sta.....00545552105472
Concept is good but ultimately it goes down to who implemented it first. Remember, the iPhone was released way after the idea of a smartphone was conceived by their competitor! ;D
The one on the beta right now looks a lot more like Weasyl
Actually, that whole theme looks great.
The thumb's in this current betta doesn't look as good, but I do like the rest so far.
IS THAT....HONEST TO GOODNESS EFFORT?
MY EYES ARE WATERING, SOMEONE HOLD ME.
(Edit: Real talk. If this gets implemented I will be the first fucking critic to give a standing ovation.)
That aside, I'm excited to see some progress!
The fonts are too large! (I'll use Stylish to scale them down)
It would be nicer if profile's "recent submissions / favourites" box is at the position like the old theme.
There's a few things here and there that look a bit odd or could do with a bit of tweaking, but Early Beta? Can't complain! Looks great!
Whoo boy, I don't know what site you were using, but it sure wasn't FA...
make things smaller, sleeker. take into account the people who use it on tablets or phones, test it heavily on mobile because that was one of the original layout's big problems.
round off all the edges or round off none of the edges, also. the mix-match does not look good.
smaller font would be nice imo. i can't make my resolution large enough to justify such a large font...
on higher res monitors i'm sure its nice but most people don't have that kind of capability.
color-wise, the dull blue with the light blue is annoying on the "dark" version. if you have dull blue, use something more contrasting to be the accent color.
We had the design concept long before Weasyl existed. This has always been a variant of our design, going back almost 5 years.
"Pre-alpha" would be a more appropriate name this, so I look forward to seeing the results of your usability testing. I can tell you right now that you have some major de-cluttering and reorganizing to do because this design is not going to fly.
Which staff members worked on this?
That's the funny thing. The design is better, so weasyl seems to have left some impressions here afterall.
The whole design structure is weasyl so stop pretending you didn't copy it. Your old design has nothing in common with the new one except for the color, that's it.
THIS took five years?
I'm on a 1440p monitor and I'm not new to web design.
This took .... 5 years.
Also i'd like to be kept in mind, not everyone has widescreen and it looks terrible(for now) on my normal screen ^^'
However it will be cool if , even when this is out of beta, we can opt to keep this good old style of FA instead of this other :)
keep up the good work guys!
1) The profiles are below the gallery. When people go to my profile, it's probably because they've seen my work already. I want them to see my contact/commission information first and foremost. If anything, the Profile should be moved to the left right next to the gallery. I also feel the statistics and actual "Contact Information" box should be switched. No one needs to see my stats, but they might certainly need my Contact Info.
2) The two submissions smushed between the "previous" and "next" links at the top of each gallery page. Why are they there? Why isn't this weird layout quirk continued between the "previous" and "next" links at the bottom of the gallery page, too? In my opinion, this needs to be fixed, and there shouldn't be anything between the "previous" and "next" links. Keep a nice square layout with the thumbnails.
However personally I would shrink things down a bit, its very in your face and HUUUUGE I prefer the text size on the classic version, but the images look nicer on the beta.
Profile info still being on the 'top' in the centre of ones page would still be preferable but I like the look of everything else, good work so far guys
There's still a long way to go from a designer's perspective, but I really like this so far! Keep up the good work.
I really hope you're planning on rearranging things into something that at least kind of looks like some semblance of order? Because as-is, it's a goddamned clusterfuck. There's way too much wasted space, things are in places that don't make sense (why isn't the "Statistics" box in the same column as the "User Profile" and "Contact Information" boxes?) the removal of Favorites makes no fucking sense at all and just contributes to the "wasted space" problem...
Really, the old layout is fine - so why change that? It's the UI that needs to be updated, and doing that doesn't require "fixing" things that aren't really broken.
But I would like to see the recent Favs and Subs still on the left side, else the page looks too stuffed.
I think the new Font is way too big.
The adverts at the top need a border
And please make the option what I want to see from the people I watch, like Deviantart. Stream spam everywhere. ><
Seconded! And on that same tangent; a keyword-based filter system would be a helluva improvement too!
I think the profile is more important than the pics that are uploaded.
also, i think it should show the title of the pics on the profile page aswell, and not only in the galery.
The site statistics are not that important to me and could be moved to the bottom of the page aswell.
To me it is quite important to see the last watches that i added and the last people that watched me. it would be cool to have the possibility to sort the watch list by -date added- or -recent to oldest-
and one more thing that definitely needs changing: These areas where you write comments (where i write now) or where you edit the user page e.g. need to be a lot bigger! or get bigger when being filled with text!
i think thats it for now ;) XD
Otherwise I'm glad something is happening.
I'm glad you guys are working on things now and that's all that really matters to me
OMG why is all the text huge lol
For example, there is too much space between thumbnails on the profile page, as well as between shouts.
It would also be preferable if the page does not stretch to the edges of the browser. Side borders with empty space would make everything much more concise and be better scaled with different resolutions.
It takes a lot longer to load than the original did, and I think that the HUGE banner, takes attention away from the top sided Adverts.
Quick search. FAB! I love that addition, even if you decide to change the look, keep that!
The log out button is too close to the N/M/S notifications, I almost logged out a few times while browsing the changes.
The submission description area seems much less centered.
I like the new note system, looks much nicer. just make it smaller.
The ditching of the Featured submission I don't like at all. That is where everyone has their commission sheets. I guess we can turn the ID's into commissions sheets.
The commissions tab seems cluttered to me.
The contact information is nice.
It's a good place to advertise yourself so I don't like seeing it so low down. ;v
Though a quick tweak here or there should fix the issues I feel.
My critique won't be comparative to what FA's old UI was, since that was old and very outdated. So I'm doing it purely on a stand alone basis of what I feel a good UI design needs and doesn't need:
- As you scroll down through your page you come across layers of buttons. I don't like this, and it's not a clever design. Feels very much like this was intended for phone's purely.
- The quick search is a nice little extra.
- I run the website on a higher zoomed in mode because of my eyesight and strain to read letters, so all I see is the top part of the UI and I'm immediately bombarded with pictures, I get why this is, but it is rather overwhelming. (I've actually zoomed out more and noticed that this new design is in fact easier to read. So I think critique is nulled)
- Wouldn't a sort of tab system be better? Instead of layering everything from up to down. Have all the main features you normally have tabbed off in separate parts. While keeping things like your profile info and shouts always visible on the right side. There's definitely improvement to be had here.
- As others have stated it does feel like: for lack of a better word a clusterfuck.
- I also no longer see the featured submission picture. Which I honestly felt was a very important thing. Now I don't know if that's gone because I switched or because it's just not there.
- I'm going to try it out for a bit to see how it feels once I get more used to it.
It's a good starting point. My main issue is always speed and efficiency. And you seem to have gone down that route. However the phone style ui design is simple not something that's needed on a desktop computer and is annoying as all hell. Even if all the artists and viewers might use phones. You know for sure that anyone who does art has a PC of somekind so will likely end up using that most of the time. Though I'm sure you have stats to see the most used browsers etc.
Not too bad. Not gunna bitch. It's a beta version. Whatever. Glad that ya'll are working on making the site come out of the 90s/early 2000s.
<3
That said, it clearly is still a WIP, and does need quite a bit of work to be done to it.
Also going to a new page when replying to a comment is a major step backwards, sorry.
i greatly dislike the profiles though.
However if you can get all that reigned in it would be a drastic improvement over the current UI.
The new site UI is definitely newer but I fear it is still about 5 years behind current web design standards.
It feels very 'current' (comparing to other websites).
I hope there will be some customization options to the profile pages because at the moment the layout is weird to me.
Also that big banner is really REALLY nice!
It LOOKS great, like, it looks more like a decent website now than it ever did before.
But what I don't like is how User Pages are laid out. They're completely imbalanced.
β’ The user's profile information should ALWAYS be at the top, not at the bottom.
β’ The Journal widget space should be on the right on its own.
β’ The Statistics and Shouts widget spaces should be stacked on the left, to help balance out the bottom of the page.
β’ User's Recent Favourites link should be hidden if the user has their favourites hidden, otherwise it's a useless link wasting space.
As for Submission pages, a few things I noticed immediately and disliked:
β’ Keywords are too large, perhaps should use a smaller font or be contained into a smaller framed space.
β’ The Submission Rating image should be on the right, under the other Submission information.
β’ The artist's comments need to have some sort of border. Right now, everything just kind of blends together into one mass, and can be confusing on some Submissions.
I've also noticed on most pages there's a lack of space between things, like a lack of space between the comment text box and the Bold Italic Underline buttons below it, like someone just slapped them on right against the text box without caring for the overall layout of the page. It makes things seem amateur or rushed.
Other than those aesthetic tweaks, I think it is a step in the right direction. It has a ways to go before it can be on par with other websites in 2015, but it's a promising baby step.
β’ The font overall is just far too large. A lot of buttons are also too large, like in your message box for nuking/selecting Submissions to remove.
β’ On the Browse pages, there needs to be a line break between the Submission Title and the link to the artist's page. Right now, they're smashed against each other.
β’ Also, no Featured Submission anymore? I think the large image shown on the left of each User Page should be a Featured Submission, and not the most recent.
Edit: No more featured submission?
I think the profile picture and profile information needs tweaking in terms of position. I almost feel like they should be side by side instead of on top of each other? I like how pageviews and stats are displayed c;
In the space on the left now on the browse menu underneath the filters, why not have a featured artist or image? Or a "Jump to a random user" type thing, just to help people expand on what they already watch? It could be a user suggested thing.
The point of BETA is to test for bugs and feedback, not for it to be perfect, or even usable in every stage -u-;;;
Not only that, but it's also interesting to see how many people in previous admin announcements complained about the site not being updated at all compared to the amount of people complaining that the current design is perfect A+
XD Poor Dragoneer, life is hard. </3
Also I'm missing having a Favorite Submission be displayed on the front page.
1.) I can't find the Edit Submission button where I can move a current gallery image to scraps, edit the message in the submission, or change the image file.
2.) I hate floating comment boxes with no easy way to follow each box to the original response box. Like a line or something to follow up to the original comment.
The font sizes are insanely big.
My only complaint is that the submissions are floating in nothingness. They're not boxed in and looks weird.
My biggest issue with it is that everything looks too damn big... just make things smaller plz.
I actually checked my chrome to make sure I wasn't zoomed in.
That and I have to agree the banner needs to be smaller cause you cant really make out the ads
The concept is good but the layout could use some work. Has a more modern feeling. If the profile thing gets fixed i'd be a lot happier with it but so far.
I like the comments so far to, as in the layout and style. The colors are nice and I know this is beta and all. This is actually a good thing because all the issues can be addressed and fixed which I look forward to.
will take time to get used to
but I like it
:3
But I'm glad to see you are making progress, and this should shut up the haters.
(Also, not really a fan of the profile not being on top, looks a bit scattered, but I can understand why its made. Perhaps adding a scroll or something so they aren't as long?)
Besides that, I'm very happy to see improvement is being made!
So excited for all other changes!
/whispers... adult rating option for journals & folders...
Looks good btw!
CANT SELL A GOLD PAINTED SHED AS IF IT WAS A CASTLE
The pink "Remove" buttons in message center and the light grey text need more contrast. Not currently readable without some eye strain.
The rearranging of the things is nice, but you could keep the size of things from the current layout look ^^
Side note: Why does your avatar remind me of AuraBeedit's?
-points at my profile-
Currently, mobile in beta is unusable- as the boxes don't resize or move to fit the new screen.
I look forward to this new direction though- cheers!
dragoneer
And stop saying "FA filter chrome add on" its ok: but it lacks the ability to filter tags and ends up censoring alot of the stuff I want to see
I think this new layout is a clear case of go away and start again.
1. The gallery and profile placing, I liked the gallery by the side and profile on the top, so that you instantly saw the profile. I hate deviant art for this because the profile is the most important part of your page and should be up front and on top. Please DO NOT leave the gallery up above, I hate weasly for this also.
2. ID placement, that should not be in the middle of my profile and gallery, more so above the general info.
3. All the buttons and such look a lot bigger, which is fine but I feel This is to big. Making everything look crowded.
4. Featured submission, this needs to be a thing again, please.
NGL, I always had to have FA zoomed in to 130% just to read anything. Now the fonts work!
A thing though-
The edit submission is now gone from the beta.
Cant find the edit button either, but the whole layout when viewing a picture looks so unfinished like it was last-minute.
Speaking of fonts, the fonts on the session management are gigantic
Though i do seem to see that there are no edit buttons on submissions on the new version. Unsure if it just hasnt been implemented yet but i will have to switch back to the old version to edit things for the time being.
I will check back in on the beta from time to time and give feedback if i find anything out of place. :3
Front page!
Alright, I like that the news is posted right on the front page and that nice quick search bar is kind of cool. The background in the little popup window when you scroll over the images is to similar to the grey used for the news post. Making it darker would help distinguish it more and surely more coverage will be added for those who write and compose? I hope so since them folks deserve just as much attentionsas we who do the draws. The banner is pretty cool. Will we eventually be given a chance to upload a banner for ourselves or will it continue to be static across all users and chosen by ya?
Profile
My..profile is a clusterfuck ;__;
I don't think the profile information should have been moved down into a half page cell like that. I don't mind the art being up top the way it is though the display could be set up differently. There's to much negative space between the preview images. I feel like the statistics and profile cells should be merged and brought back up to the top under where my icon is again while the journals are moved to where there user profile is and have have the shouts beside it to the right.
Looking into my gallery the previews look kay but the title text is iddy bitty small while the next and prev page text seem unnecessarily huge.
Message Hub
The buttons! The buttons! They're everywhere xD! The text on the Nuke and Removed Checked buttons is also hard to read with how light the buttons are. Also again the title text for images is iddy bitty. Upping the size and maybe bolding the title then leaving the name of the artist unstylized (that italics is bugging my eyes out) would be the better option.
Viewing images
The advisory warning image should be put back under the image statistics and the statistics made smaller since it's kind of fighting with the image description and such.
That's all I have for now but I hope this helps some.
Some nice themes I like are from BootsWatch.
I guess I should also recommend this, for laughs? http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/
I'd rather just have FA use Bootstrap built-in
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6636256/
That said, fonts are a bit too big in some places. I think the font size in comments is just right, but the toolbars and buttons seriously need to be smaller.
Loving the update so far though!
The LOOK of the site is useless if the site itself is a piece of crap. Get better admins that will actually do their job right. Give us the things that has been promised for like 8 years now, like folders, better block system, and maybe like previews on all messages like dA.
The layout of the site is not a problem, but how this site runs and how the admins do things ARE the problem.
*Add: Still, folders and journal faving would make this perfect ;3
My biggest problem is the comment strings, they're VERY difficult to follow and the way they progress down the page with MORE space between them makes it hard to tell what's a reply to what. I don't really MIND it, i'm sure folks will get used to it, but i'd say maybe setting up the comments to be separated more noticeably would be nice.
Because, as much as I appreciate the work that you guys put into the page and everything, I do not like this new design at all >-<;;;
However, I think it's... decent. Obviously, the text is too big, and my page looks totally fucked. There's a scroll bar on the bottom of my profile, and I don't like that at all. The way profiles look classically is pretty much perfect imo. Everything is spaced out nicely. On the front page there's no spacing between the art title and the person that posted it, which is bizarre to look at. I too would like a permanent "classic" setting. I'll check out the beta again after the text size issue is fixed
Please note this isn't in disagreement with you, though. But they SHOULD post another status update with answers/replies to many of the standard questions and statements being made, i.e.:
"The New Beta looks like Weasyl!"
While there may be similarities, the original concept for this layout was thought up and created, though never presented live, before Weasyl came online.
"Will we have folders?"
___Yes/No reply with why___
"The site looks too clunky!"
(From Dragoneer) Size issue will be worked on tomorrow. (paraphrased)
Stuff like that. It'd clear up a lot of these redundant posts, I think.
YOU HAVE ACTIVATED MY TRAPCAAAARD
The profile should be at the top, it's your first impression and, for me at least, where one can have important information - if submissions are open for example.
Having the profile information being the most prominent on a person's main page gives it some contrast to the gallery pages. Not to mention I think it should be something to highlight the artist/person, as opposed to their works/commissions.
Additionally it's probably better to have both recent submissions and favorites visible on the main page, because I certainly believe that's how a lot of people run across artists and images they like: Through basically a grapevine of favorites.
how about useful stuff like folders rather than a half-assed weasyl clone?
I love the one we have!!
But no matter what I/we say, it'll probably change into the new one anyway..
At least, I think the box setup should be the same as in the old one. I also disliked we had no featured submission.
Though I do hope we will have the ability to maybe move things around/rearrange things we want on our own profiles. Or at least have it so our profiles aren't right at the bottom. It will certainly take some getting used to but well done on finally letting us see for ourselves.
The New UI is on average 25% smaller file-size wise, and written to be much more efficient and to offer better compatability cross browser (PC and smartphone).
Emphasis mine.
You sir, are a liar.
Nice going.
I realize that building the foundation is necessary to get a proper layout going, but when you straight-up can't run the site on mobile devices, that needs to be in big, bold letters, not "oh yeah by the way it has a few issues".
The padding is annoying to0 plentiful in a lot of places and inconsistent between same thing in different places (eg. shouts vs. comments)
Personally, I don't care for profile info being placed at the bottom of the user's page. Generally preferred everything about the old profile layout as this was one of FA's strong points.
The keywords on submissions is difficult to see (white on light-grey)
BUG: Submission titles and usernames run together any where they are shown instead of on a new line on the old templates. The text size here is small.
BUG: The more button on search does nothing. (Firefox)
Sadly, Mobile is entirely broken, and while it may just be my phone, I had to go to my desktop in order to change it back, as it was in fact impossible to do so while mobile. As for the design, it would take some getting used to, as it is in fact a more modern looking design and FA is ancient.
I'm looking forward to see how this turns out though, as it has yet to become as bad as YouTube in terms of fucking shit over.
Main issue is that banner\menu takes _alot_ of space, stealing it from gallery or picture. Look at Deviantart - there is banner in corner and menu along top line. That's ALL. Ad banners are in sidebars and opposite corner
As for the banner issue, I agree with you completely. It's way too big. I do like the idea of having some kind of small banner that is community created, but only if the staff keep on top of updating it periodically.
This doesn't address a single issue raised in the previous announcement, which I find to be grossly disrespectful to the user base.
1) I understand the concept of having the users artwork displayed at the top of the page, but the way it is now in beta..it feels a bit uncomfortable.
2) My featured Sub is gone! Halp!
3) I know this isn't implemented in classic or beta, but I would personally like the see the journal portion of my page smaller/shortened.
-Maybe more like a "Preview" of my most recent journal? Rather than showing the entire think on my page. (Mainly because my most recent journal
is quite long, and it takes up a huge chunk of my page.
Edit: On the bright side! I really enjoy the User profile and Statistics portion of the beta layout. The "profile image" is a little too big for my taste though.
The profiled really do look a lot like Weasyl, but to be fair, I like Weasyl's profiles more than FA's.
Keep the profile, keep the inbox the way it was, I think.
Also, on submissions, the advisory sticker is in a terrible place and the tags just being stuck under everything looks really scattered and like a pile of awful. Sure, change the look of it to match the new setup, but keep the placement the same. because submission pages look seriously awful like this.
2) We can possible allow users to hide stats, but it's generally a fairly popular feature.
3) Agreed, and it will be improved.
4) It probably got omitted. I'm making a list of things to correct/fix/improve for tomorrow. Just follow the patch notes. =3
It's impressive. You manage to take something that's functional, if ugly, and without changing any functionality whatsoever, just moving boxes around, manage to completely break it.
The only thing that displays correctly, is ads.
Glad you got your concerns right with IMVU's buyout.
You pick one up, paint it a dull grey, set it back somewhere else in a feeble attempt at making things look "sleek" and "modern".
And somehow everything explodes.
It's actually incredible. I'm genuinely amazed.
I've said before that I thought you're all incompetent fools, but I stand corrected. Incompetent fools can't make cardboard boxes explode.
Otherwise I am enjoying the new change and colors.
I think the current layout for FA is better not because I hate change >->/ pff butttt because how it's set up is best in checking out an artist.
Their name, their stats aren't so IN YOUR FACE you can see them casually and their actual profile is first
Everything about their info is FIRST and you know where to find them, how to commission them, etc
The featured submission then journal in the next tier, because seeing what the artist is most proud of is important
and are updates in ournals
Then submissions, ID, comments and MISC on the bottom
The original layout is set up in such a way you see things of most importance first in relevance to the artist and what and why they do what they do
Now you're just give of shoved submissions first in a really unorganized way, THEN ID and stats (which are more prominent for some reason and it seems extremely irrelevant* and you see their profile info at the bottom??? That makes no sense. I love the very sleek comment look, even if it's a huge weasyl knock off, but the actual profile interface is terrible x-x/ and all of the fonts are different sizes and I need to turn down the zoom on my chrome to even see half my profile page on the beta.
It's still in the works but those are my first thoughts, I believe in you!
I Like the new UI much better, putting the User's work front and center.
I feel like the spaces journal's take up are way too wide width wise, same with stats, takes away from the profile which has no defining feature to bring someone down to it and read, since its not visible just from clicking on someone's page.
although conversely you have people who have profile info so long you scroll down for ages.
also the Gray is just... weird only showing up behind the images preview on user pages... its just odd being there
But I love how crisp everything looks, with just the right amount of contrast to pop out each part of the user page
I hope the comments section doesn't change, its probably the best part about this right now, just the way it looks is great.
http://i39.tinypic.com/23jqt1f.jpg
1) It'd be nice if the Notifications bar was moved to the left a little so it wouldn't hug the side of the page. It feels really awkward for it to be right next to the edge with no buffer.
2) Those little highlights over journal entries in your Notifications that mention the word "stream" were really neat to have, and I think it'd be nice to retain those! Suddenly they're gone, though...
3) The text in the Notifications section isn't bolded for usernames anymore, which kinda bugs me. It's a small detail, but somehow it feels important to bold usernames so you'll recognize them immediately.
4) One thing I really miss is that you can't view both favorites and submissions at the same time at a glance anymore when visiting somebody else's page. You have to manually click to switch between favorites and submissions, which I personally see to be a bit of a downgrade.
Other than this handful of things, I think the changes to the site for the Beta are pretty nice! I very much like the new aesthetic as a whole; it all looks neater, very well placed and well organized.
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width" content="width=720"/>
Due to two content-entries to be there, i dont know which one gets evaluated, probably the last one, so your screen is resized to 720...whatever unit your phone picks, likely pixels. They still have bugs, after all :3
Very nice. Hope to see more progress like this.
1) layout is HUGE. Shrink it down!
2) Profile information should ALWAYS be first
Hopefully you take all of our comments into account.
thanks for reading!
Totally look forward to this coming out of Beta =D
I Have a full hd monitor and the layout takes about 1/3 of my screen
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r87lbj027.....eenFA.png?dl=0
Nuke and remove butons have awful colors. AWFUL.
that quick search bar with messages on the right.. I dont like it, it takes much space, I'd move messages back up next to mu username and the quick search box up.
Great start. I'll be waiting for the mobile site to actually become functional, but I'm gonna stick with the beta for now. I like giving new things a try.
But what I should suggest though, even though you dont have to listen, is make it so that a way people can select between the original or current format and the new IU format once it launches.
Truth is, as we all saw with the INVU thing, not a lot of people like change, so what I suggest is that you give members the ability to change between the old and new format. Just so that a way, everyone is happy and we dont have to be flooded with...
"I HATE THE NEW IU" and "LEAVING FA..." spam journals because something new was added to the site.
Again its just a suggestion.
And I can see a few comments of people already asking if we'll be able to switch between the current or classic design and the upcoming new design.
Of course people have their own decisions, views and opinions, i cant manifest that. But what we need is a more rational decision instead of blindly being manipulated by subjective feelings that this is good or bad.
But what the hell, furries are eccentric and will keep on doing their own unique decisions. -thumbs up-
Everyone has to complain about something, nothing in the world is perfect, what one sees as perfect and new, another will see as a infringement and have to go out of their way to point out all the negative things about it and try to get other to side with them on that.
Personally, I like the change and looking forward to the update in the future.
An update is not necessarily an improvement.
Case in point: this.
Like other comments I do agree that the UI should be shrunk a bit, when you compare it with the current FA UI its a big difference, and that's one aspect of the old UI that I really liked; how I could see everything at once, rather than having to scroll or moving my eyes all around the page.
It would also be really neat if we could upload a custom banner, or something to go behind where the name , register date is. Just a thought for later when you guys can add cool additions and perks.
Keep up the good work can't wait to see more
I really hope there's the option to keep the currenty layout.
I'm not noticing anything different.
Dragoneer, halp
I did what i feel the new UI layout should look like.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2v1v0rhu.....ample.jpg?dl=0
I would recommend moving the Statistics to the top in that empty space to the right of user information there is no need for it to be on its own, It just looks out place there. Doing that the panels would be level.
Secondly moving the User profile above the recent submissions and recent favourites. Mostly because so you can see what and who the user is and does before you go looking about.
Also adding the user's profile image next to the user profile makes sense as you can see the user and what they about right away instead of coming across it half way down.
Having the recent submissions and favs below the profile stuff to save people from not seeing or getting a glare at things that they might find rather gross and uncomfortable with right away. Because with the recent submissions in the place they are right now in the beta, Users have no choice but to get an eye of full whatever is that other user into and that can be really off putting, to have something you hate or dislike shoved in your randomly.
So for everyone's sanity i recommend putting it there
I did mostly the planning, Visuals and mapping parts. My friends did most of coding side ^-^
HEY ADMINS, LOOK AT THIS^ YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING HERE!
Doesn't need to be too complex.
If you change/update the design of something it should not be to different that it alienates the users.
*looks at paypal, skype and Photobucket*
I was thinking something similar to that concept actually, very nice how you put it together ^^
You should send this to Dragoneer or someone of direct influence to the UI design
To be honest do you think Dragoneer would respond if i sent to him?
Might as well give it a shot! especially how there are other people agreeing with your design/layout,
If you get a lot of responses add a screen-shot too with everyone's comments,
Or if you post a journal with it I know I can get my watchers to take a look and have them give their feedback.
(since it's not really easy to link people to a comment in another journal haha)
Power in numbers!
I'll do a journal first and tweet it.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6636742/
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....out-suggestion
I want it changed and i am guessing you do right. ^^
More people see the better.
can't be as bad as the current beta.
I really, really hope the staff takes this into consideration cause that's something I'd love to see FA turn too.
Changes are nice, a little bit of polish here and there and it will look great.
also the beta looks like crap and I had a hard time navigating it. just saying, sorrynotsorry.
Some elements are completely squared off, whilst others have a 10-15px border-radius, making things feel super inconsistent right now. Even right now as I'm typing this, I can see one button that's squared off and one shade of blue, and another that's a different shade and has 10px of rounding.
The logo on the header doesn't even have a proper amount of padding.
The comments section is filled with way /too much/ padding between comments. Again, inconsistency. Please either give padding to everything, or to nothing, or most preferably, try to keep it a sane amount everywhere.
Align the browse sidebar and the quick search
Align list boxes wherever they happen to be placed to be the same width.
Unify your UI elements to have a consistent look, instead of leaving some square, some rounded, and some even completely sans-background.
Remove the drop shadow on posts, it's the only place in the entire UI where those exist and clashes with everything else.
Perhaps replace the red text color with the FA logo orange. The red in general doesn't sit too great with this color scheme, and shrinking your palette down a hint like that would help.
Also, in my honest opinion, this being a beta does not excuse these quirks in the UI. Alignment, padding and consistency are very basic UI design principles, and for most of the stuff mentioned, it'd take 10 minutes to fix this stuff. Adding a "border-radius:10px;" property isn't rocket science.
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That stuff , It makes it look messy , that should be in the place the Stats are , everything eles looks cool but those things are just a pain in the ass
But honestly, while I appreciate progress, I won't be using this beta at all because right now it's dark theme only and I find reading light text on dark more triggering for my migraines. I would just ask that you please do not remove the option of the old UI until you have a light theme worked out. I don't use Weasyl for the same reason.
1) Your font sizes are... literally all over the place, -incredibly- huge in submission and journal titles on their actual pages, and so small they're hard to read in the submission inbox and browse pages. Also, greater line spacing on the notifications page please - as it is, it's downright hard to read.
2) Funky buttons; huge, unfitting colors and in a different font than the rest of the site. This is, again, particularly prominent on the notification and submission inbox pages.
3) Layout on individual submission pages especially looks... strange. I'd suggest to put the rating label back underneath the data where it used to be, and restrict the keywords to just the area directly below the description.
4) Profiles! Put the statistics back below the most recent journal, this worked better than the new setup; this is more of a "don't fix what isn't broken" thing than anything. Also, where are the favorites and featured submissions at?
5) For that matter, where did the non-visual art submissions go? Writers and musicians already don't have a great time promoting their content here, excluding them from the front page altogether doesn't help matters there for obvious reasons.
6) As for the site on mobile... yeah, this needs work.
Please Note: Quote = sarcasm.
In iPad (I guess tablets in general) show the mobile UI too, and everything is too big. Yeah its a mobile device but the screen is already too big for that.
The site should have a look for tablet User Agents
People having their profile info at the top helped to give a different feel to each person's page and make them somewhat distinct from each other.
Pushing the recent submissions up and the profile info and journals down seems like the focus is being put more on just the art while the actual community members that the pages belong to are being made into a footnote.
I ASSUME the end goal is to be able to move all the little sections around and have each person be able to completely customize how their page looks, but as is, I feel like it's changing the site from a bunch of PEOPLE'S galleries into just a bunch of faceless, random galleries.
Basically, I think this new layout will negatively impact FA's community aspects.
That's good goal only if there'll be option to disable custom user pages because everyone doesn't know enough about web design so there'll be badly customized userpages. I don't want to see shit like bad color combinations that make the page unreadable or animated backgrounds that can cause seizures.
Why has the about me shoved beneath the submissions? I quite like having my details, commission lists, TOS and intro to my page at the top of the page. Does the ID pic really need to be so big? I never really look at them, I tend to look at peoples submissions and featured artwork. Why is everything so big and clunky? I'm on a laptop, I have a good size screen, I'm not on a dinky phone. ><
But yeeeah it was kind of a big train wreck of mess.
Well shoot I guess there is a window for that.
(Not sure if that's true for the updated version though.)
Cons I see are;
-The format for the users who don't have a very high resolution is a bit "meh". Imo the font size is too big, it would be nice if we could change it as some of us prefer it smaller. (zooming out also makes the submissions smaller so.... :T)
-The color for the profile background has a tone where it's difficult to read black text, and again some of us like to use black text even on not-white background.
-Other user poined it, too, but it makes no sense for the user info (species, age, likes, etc) to be all under the profile, but like if it was part of it? I'd prefer it separated tbh, even if it's under the profle box.
-I like the stats box and the gallery preview, but would be cooler if we could see the gallery and faves at same time.
Also, how do we edit old submissions (description,tags, etc), or isn't that still functional with this layout?
Even with those things I like it. It's good to see the page improve visually after all these years...
Personally, I think the site should use the same sort of system as DeviantArt. That way, people can arrange the layout to however they wish.
want to go with this design is reasonably clear. Not bad, not bad, is first assessment.
Β Β Β Β Β Now beat the hell out it (and likely each other :- ) ) and you'll have it. The Open Sans
font is improvement.
Β Β Β Β Β That said, *** DANGER *** DANGER *** DANGER ***
Β Β Β Β Β Quickie check of FAWD pages shows that comment boxes have lost the ability to expand to
the right. The comment boxes are now fixed width.
Β Β Β Β Β Studied the old and the new CSS to see where this happened, then gave up (I've no fweepin' idea
how CSS's work). But I suspect this is a one-liner fix, somewhere in CSS that defines the 'desc' class.
Β Β Β Β Β The old-style comment boxes were generally too big, and text got splazzed out [unreadably]
across the screen. So a narrower CB is a good idea. But not if you *need* to make the box fit
the text.
Β Β Β Β Β Such as with 842 FAWD list pages. Can haz expandable comment boxes back, plz? :- )
1. User bio is badly misplaced, it should be on the top of the userpage.
2. Featured submissions are missing.
3. Fonts are too big
4. There's too much padding between comments.
I hope it'll be optional when it's finished.
The few pet peeves I'm having with the interface is the following I'll have to criticize:
1 - The user profile/statistics thing isn't on top like the old interface is. Also, the ID thing isn't below the journal on the front page like it used to.
2 - I don't see any option of "edit submission details," "change submission file," or "change thumbnail" anywhere in my submission(s).
Then again, it's just the beta version, so not everything's implemented, I guess. I hope the final version turns out awesome!
Good luck guys! :)
Also, I think the adds should be located in a separate place (maybe above the banner). Having it overlay he artwork kind of diminished the artist's effort in my opinion.
But I also agree: please do not turn FurAffinity into Weasyl.
In any case, I'm glad to see something happening and the site improving (even if the improvements are still works in progress)!
I like the look of this so far.
Yay for progress!
Not everyone is going to be happy, but I don't mind this. Its not that a drastic change.
I am assuming there are 0 plans on making the coding/website able to change usernames ( at least once, like deviantArt?)
Overall, I like it. It's less 2006 looking and feels more modern. However, there's a few things that I don't care for.
First, I dislike how big the font is. It could do with a downsize!
Second, the banner at the top is cool, but with the ads directly on top of it, it doesn't look very nice. The expanded banner would look better if the ads were moved somewhere else.
Third, profile info should reeeeeally be on the top. It's very useful for me, as a working artist, to have commission info right up at the top, rather than having to scroll to find it.
And lastly, I think the submission thumbnails should be bigger. I like the horizontal layout, rather than vertical.
Hope this continues to improve! I see a lot of potential, and will be leaving my page in beta. :]
as long as it stays as optional to switch between them at will and not be forced... "IMVU" then I'll behave and not have a "Drama-llama" moment as most furries love to do.
That and almost every poplure website gives a heads up before the changes come out.
which I MIGHT have to update....does that have anything to do with it?* Edit * Wait nvm I got it...just....wow it kinda does look like weasyl...interesting
I love that pretty new banner too! <3
Not bad, amigos... not bad at all. ;)
I would also advise against having profile content stacked one thing ontop of another for the entire width of the screen before you get to the journal etc because the fact that you can't see everything at once kind of defeats the purpose of not wanting "long" profiles. It takes me longer now to see the information on someone's page and I end up having to scroll down. It also seems very strange to me that the gallery is super super wide, but then once you get to the bottom everything is in neat squares.
I've never ever experienced problems with someone's profile being "too long" in classic, but if it does in fact exist it would be a much better idea to implement a character limit, I think. The part that would make profiles too long is too much text at the top bumping everything else lower down the page so a character limit directly addresses that.
It also seems very weird to me that my profile info is jammed onto the bottom left corner of my page, beneath my gallery and journal and such. That section of the profile is designed to introduce yourself, and shouldn't introductions be first?
Anywho that's just my two cents, it's nice to see that efforts are being made to make the site look current.
Look at YouTube, every time they roll a change (be a big one or simply moving one item) people complain for like 3 days like "WAAH YOUTUBE IS HORRIBLE NOW" then everyone moves on after a week.
All those changes make YouTube better and more optimized - look how far they've come from their old layout: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CYkvSgplf.....00/youtube.jpg
The IMVU acquisition only sped up the process because now FA has more resources & power to do so.
Main concern is, given this is a Beta, how much attention to feedback will be paid? Or better yet how do you plan to gather feedback?
Or is user input going to be null?
-it needs margins. most popular websites don't use the full width of the screen. margins will make reading WAY easier
-the buttons need better color schemes, better arrangement and spacing, and more consistency with regards to the text on the buttons. this is especially evident in the new submissions tab
-the user profile section and recent submissions section should go back to their original places, or something should be done about the way the recent submissions section is laid out. the size of the thumbnails is too small, or there is too much spacing and i dont like how it displays the thumbnail for my most recent submission twice
-font size is inconsistent in many places, and the spacing is too tight. this is mostly evident in the notifications pages
i think if these things get fixed it'll look really good
1: In submissions -> [Sub name][Owner] like this: [B]My artwork[\b]Owner please, put an space there! XD
2: The buttons where you go to check your journals are extremely close to the border, around 4~6 pixels. there is no allignment with the other buttons.
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but looks nice so far
I dont really like the new layout, everything is too big and the profile page layout needs some serious fixing, like where is my featured submission? Why cant i see my favorites and submissions?
As for people saying it looks like Weasyl, its similar, but not the same no. And why does it matter? If it works it works.
Could you also have an option for those that wish to still use the old layout included? I really dont want to be forced to use a new UI if i dont have to. Especially since given FA's previous track record, i dont hold
much hope that most of these issues will get fixed any time soon if at all. Sorry FA, you lost my confidence in you a long time ago.
I stand very corrected.
Immediate critique time, here as I don't have a forum account:
- There needs to be some padding between the title of the submission and the Username. On my end they jam straight together and it doesn't look nice. Give it a space or two, or a separator?
-Current text on the pink (usually nuke) buttons is incredibly hard to read for this version.
- Hiding a comment bounces said comment up to the top of the section, showing a line of text through the top comment, instead of it being nested in its proper line.
I'll add more as I come across things.
Positive feedback though, Functionality seems to still be intact for the most part, despite some of the small things that need to be streamlined!
For the majority things feel properly placed. I'm not struggling too much, which feels like a godsend when it comes to me and UI updates.
Don't be like them.
No weasyl has a much worse submission size on the submissions page and many other things that annoy me.
Did anyone else forget that Weasyl has been in beta since they pushed it out?
gallery folders is one I hear a lot. but another feature I like would be better formatting than just 'left right center' for profiles. like add columns for easier list making.
also make the text window for editing your profile more than just a few lines tall. its very hard to edit in such a little box
~Everything, seems so big and clunky, the text is way bigger, feels like someone was close to being blind when setting the text size.
~Switch/Move user profile with recent submissions. Profile info should be at the top so we know who we are talking/dealing with, Common sense in business and within the human psyche.
~Perhaps allowing users to switch sections on their own would be a fun useful idea. Being individual is key.
~Tabs are too pointy, it makes it feel cold and harsh.
~Add folders.
~Use of multiple coding inputs for Profile info could come in handy.
This is what I see that makes it a hard pill to swallow, with the changes suggested, it will be a special unique place for us.
For now I am staying on classic, I like seeing profile info first.
The list could go on, but obviously the beta layout needs more convenience than cluttered layout changes everywhere. We still need folders, block features on submissions, and non-timed edited comments. Stuff that actually makes the site worth to stay in.
We now have journal headers and footers. NO MORE COPYING AND PASTING CRAP.
The font looks a bit too big and a bit too small in some places, but that'll get fixed eventually. :3
I also LOVE being able to do a quick search from anywhere in the site. :D
I feel as if the ads on top should be differentiated from the banner somehow. It's a bit.. I dunno, distracting? (even though the banner is bloody awesome)
I also have to agree on the submission/profile info placement. Something neat would be to allow us to move these around on our page as we see fit, but that's just a suggestion (and kinda reminds me of DA :P)
Lastly, I feel as if there should be some sort of box around submission info. Also... I can't edit it. XD
I've literally NEVER seen an option for them. WHERE HAVE I BEEN D:
Don't change it please, ohgod.
Look at YouTube and Twitter, they change their interface at least once every year it seems like.
FurAffinity does kinda feel like it's stuck in the yesteryear.
You should center the website and have background on either side, like virtually every other website in existence.
-Banner ads on top seem to merge with the banner itself
-I would prefer light over dark.
It is hard to see who posted the journals now. the other way they seemed a bit bolder and were easier to pick out. It now just seems like a large block of text in which I know not many people would read.
It becomes difficult for the eyes to pick out. Maybe Bold the User names like they used to be.
didnt know we were in texas
....God I hate Texas.....Q_Q
well at least it's not like Arizona...deserted and fucking hot
But, back to topic, Dragoneer said somewhere here in the comments that size is being worked on.
here...
on this journal announcement...
while the 'UI Beta Feedback' section on the forums stays bone dry.
I think it's safe to say that I will not take anyone seriously who has to voice their problems here. There's literally a place that's more visible and directly dedicated for users to comment on the new UI's usability and aesthetic, and they pick this mess of hundreds upon hundreds of comments and think it'll make a difference.
https://forums.furaffinity.net/foru.....-Beta-Feedback
Go here. There are threads. There are discussions. You can agree with ideas, disagree with others, and someone who matters, like the one making sure the layout WORKS, will be attending to it to assure that their coding efforts actually PLEASE people, because otherwise, why are they wasting their time coding this layout in the first place? Speak in a place where people are listening, and not this cacophony of a vertical comments section. For everyone's sake.
Dunno. I agree though, just some people have either knee-jerk reactions and don't read, or just hate multiple log ins, or they're just super lazy. I'm a combination of the last two.
These comments are not organized, and nine times out ten, they're only read, not discussed.
So if it costs me two minutes of my time to make my voice louder, I'm going to the place with the better acoustics.
Still, the laziness is the "rather not". Multiple accounts to keep track of is difficult for some. No excuse, I suppose, if you saved your password to your browser you can look it up unless you had to restore your computer or get a new one. If I feel that my points are muted and ignored, I'll go pipe up over there on the forums. Right now, I'm hoping (stupidly, I admit) that Fender/Neer will at least address the common concerns and questions posed here in the comments.
Mostly disappointed that I have to be zoomed out to see anything (and I have a 1900px wide monitor?) , and left/right key navigation hasn't been put in (yet? please put it in, it's heaven everywhere else)
One thing that is a big problem instantly is the size of things. Holy cow everythign is HYOOGE! And I have a big monitor! I suggest maybe squishing the website to the middle and putting a background in. Too wide.
And yeah it really is different big time hahaha, it's sorta a good thing and not a good thing lol the text is huge though but it's a work in progress I actually can't wait to see where they take this. :U
I think people are always going to be uncomfortable with big changes. And while I definitely see some of the problems people are talking about the feedback thread on the forums is there to address them.
Also yay, divs!
But for gods sake DO SOMETHING about the text. it's massive. It's way too over the top.
A few of the things I am liking so far
1. The color scheme - I enjoy the Dark greys (and yes I know the other layout was grey) but something about this new layout, the color just makes it look really nice
2. The Chat Bubbles - I really enjoy the rounded Chat / post / comment bubbles. It makes everything more sleek and nice to look at instead of squares.
3. The Profile Layout - I honestly really love the layout! Especially how when someone visits your page you get a big image of what you just posted, and then a nice little area for the art you recently posted...(again I know this was on the other layout) but it's at the top and I think it makes for a nice feel. Then as you scroll down you get a 'recently favorited', and 'recently watched' List which is nice so visitors can view your favorites and see what artists you may have watched recently, leading to a possible list of new watchers for said artists. Honestly, I enjoy the profile info where it's at now. Some people may not like that it's down a bit, but I think it gives the profile a more message board feel! So Kudos!
That is just a little of what I like so far after only using it for about 5 minutes :)
I also love how the Beta version looks, but I don't want to use it yet, since I think there is still a lot to work on it, because it's really uncomfortable to use/find things and all the text is a bit messed up.
But looking forward to it! :D
On the Beta..
Is there anyway to "edit" a submission once it's submitted? I'm having a hard time finding it.. I had to switch back to classic just to fix a username typo...
i would put the profile info back above everything, instead of to the side and having to scroll.
as a commissioning artist, i live on my art, and want all my info ready to be seen without people having to search for it
other than that, keep up the awesome work
its nice to finally see progress and transparency
im gonna reward them and hope for the best man. ill take what i can get at this point
what people here dont understand is FA hasnt updated in almost 10 years i think? and this is just the BETA
things will be worked out. i have high hopes for the site, and really hope they turn themselves around
as long as i see progress, im here to stay
They MUST have an option to keep this page style.
That one is a joke. It looks like a few other sites I've been on.
Not impressed at all.
The submission icon line up stresses me out, journal is way to big and everything else just looks bad. Sorry.
I ACTUALLY Love the new format besides the info and featured image being taken/moved! Its nice to see some sort of change!
If you do bring this in at least give us the option to keep classic.
I dont like it because the screen feels like its zoomed in 200% and the banner is huge, and fff I just like FA the way it is now. v.v
β’ I miss the featured submission being easily visible right at the top of the userpage. That's what I use to show commission info, after all, since the actual commissions tab and layout has always been kinda... unwieldy.
β’ The font used is WAY too big and closely-kerned. Makes everything very cluttered and hard to read. I'd change the font entirely and decrease its size by at least two points, it's bad.
β’ It looks really a LOT like SoFurry, especially the way the navbar/header are laid out. Not actually complaining about that, it's just something I noticed.
Might comment more if I use the beta more thoroughly, but for now I'm sticking to the classic just because the beta fonts are so horribly sized and kerned that it gives me a very real headache.
It looks like it's trying to be something it's not.
I don't like our profile pages at all, either. x.x Please move the profile back to the top.
Edit: Actually, it makes me think of the late Sheezyart..
The only think I actually didn't like is how small the thumbnails look in a user's profile
and how the "loading" thingy you get for a thumbnail's full preview is just this.
Also, no icon list to add to your comments? Guess it'll be added later. It just feels different but it's not a priority imo. Hope more people add more constructive feedback to this whole thing, since it's obviously a step in the right direction.
"Profile could not updated: Invalid account password supplied."
Ya need a 'be' in there or take away the d lol
And I do have a critique or two in regards to the layout. It's new, which is going to take some getting used to, but I personally dislike that the profile information has been placed under my page's right breast as it were. That information, in my honest opinion, is much too important to be down there. It's sort of like my mouth as it does all my speaking and should, in my opinion, be placed somewhere on my head. In short, I feel like the profile information should be placed, some how, at the top of the page above my recent submissions.
Other than that, I don't really have any other complaints or input. It looks pretty decent.
ouo-b
http://puu.sh/h2QHC/aad9d2b891.png
If they were banning people's accounts for posting it in their profile descriptions, I'd see your point. Perhaps a better feature request would be being able to define your own profile field names instead of requesting for specific sites.
Why is this (This submission is copyright Β© 2015 "username") in these new Site Layout away? Is otherwise always under the Picture.
And again, dodging the concerns of the community.. A+
Yes, the fonts in general are really bigthe font for the submissions (when you look at a gallery) is so small i literally almost couldn't tell the letters apart (heck my dyslexic butt)aslo i think the gallery preview should swap places with the profile info, or at last move the profile info to somewhere other than being crammed in at the bottom of the page with the shouts, if that makes sense?
The art for the new banner is really nice!!! but having the banner take up a 1/5 of the page is a just bit... much.
It's not too terrible for a beta, though.
Copying Weasyl..... the format isn't popular lots hate it
what are you guys even doing... you're ruining the feel of FA
I FEEL like I'm using weasyl in beta so I'm staying classic
and please keep the classic layout :S
The Beta FA now looks like weasyl
Question: will we be able to switch between old and new once all this is finished?
Also, i might recommend moving the reply area to the top of the comments section?? I had to scroll quite far to get here! That's probably a nuisance even in standard browsers!
Nice to see progress! :3
With the Beta, which is nice to see an improvement, it feels very blown up and hard to read almost; my eyes somewhat scrambling to read and find things. Some text appears too big, [username, statistics, journal, etc.] or else the layout is generally too spaced/big. When I zoom out to 90%, a user page appears perfect, honestly.
I understand I may be set ablaze for personal input - but this is only beta and things can be edited/messed with correct? Anyways. It's neat.
*end*
If this spacing issue can be fixed, I like it. The colors are perfect for reducing eye strain. I've seen a lot of people prefer black to reduce eye strain but what I've found is that mid to dark gray is better because there is less contrast between the background and other things.
Also depending on the window size, scroll bars show up in odd places. I'll just go ahead and assume that is something being worked on.
The Layout of classic I think is quite streamlined, seems users want an updated colour pallete and flashier options.
-If user profile descriptions are getting too long why not have it as an expanding box a la youtube upload descriptions? People can put as many "groups" icons and words as they like and I don't have to care about it, and makes them put pertinent info in the first few lines. Changing the whole layout because of it sort of moves the mountain rather than the man
- I think the new layout is a bit cramped, that's what put me off Weasyl, flashy but a bit of a jumble
- I'd love to see gallery folders that we can organise, my gallery certainly is a hell of a mess without them!
- I'm a bit sad to see music so far has been shunted off the frontpage of the new style
- The two features of Weasyl I did like, dedicated "Streaming" upload option and an indication you were live on your profile and the ability to create your own banner over the top of your page
- One feature I liked in my brief time on IB: Multiple images per upload to create an image set. I love uploading the whole process, sketch, inks, shades, full colour. That would be great to see.
- Featured submission please
Back to pretending I don't care about updates
I don't envy you
(Please, forgive any possible grammar mistake, English is not my native language)
In the user front page:
- Font too big. The overall fonts of all site pages is too big, it looks cluttered and clucky.
- Profile info going to bottom. I feel we need to know about the owner of the page we're looking at at the moment, so either bring it upwards again, or give us the option to customize widgets like on Deviantart.
- Give us the option to show off favorites by default, in another part of the page. I feel like it's an important part of the community that users have to option to show what they are favoriting.
- Statistics don't need to receive such attention, in my opinion. I think the box could be smaller and more discreet and placed in another place, in favor of giving attention to more important things such as the profile info.
- Too much space between thumbnails in the 'Recent submissions'/'Recent favorites' box. All that space isn't really necessary and could be reduced or used towards displaying more thumbnails.
- The bigger preview of the currently hovered submission in 'Recent submissions'/'Recent favorites' is not clickable... I really feel like it should be.
- The profile picture is attracting more attention than the recent submissions...
In the submission page:
- Again, font way too big.
- Submission rating label right under the artist's comment doesn't make sense... that part of the submission page should be dedicated only to what the artist has to say and I feel like the label interfere in that. Have it moved to the right, right under the submission information.
- Keywords are too big and in an odd place to be placed... I feel like it would be better if they moved to the right, right under the submission information (and hopefully the submission rating label).
- Lack of options for 'edit submission details', 'change submission file' or 'change thumbnail' anywhere in the submission(s). This is REALLY a critical spot. We can go to the 'Control Panel' dropdown menu and go to the 'Manage Subs' section, and it says to click on the submissiom to edit, but the click doesn't work, the only option we have is to remove them, not edit. Also, this can be really dangerous, having the option to delete and edit submission so close to each other. A misclick can ruin everything by accidentally deleting a submission.
In the Message Centre:
- In the submissions message centre, the submission's name and the author's name are too close too each other. Probably a bug but a space between them is really necessary, and personally I feel like we need a 'by' between them too. This also happens in the 'favorites' gallery.
- 'Nuke all Submissions' and 'Remove checked' buttom colors are difficult to read.
- 'Remove checked' (in the submissions centre) and 'Remove selected' (in the comments/faves/journals centre)... this is more of a pet peeve, honestly, but two different ways of saying the same thing in an interface can be a bit confusing.
- If we have different options to click on 'Comments', 'Journals', 'Favorites' and 'Watchers' I feel like we should be taken to the respective section when we click them. E.g.: If I click on '#J', I should be taken automatically to the journal section of the message centre.
In the 'Submissions'/'Scraps'/'Favorites' gallery:
- Thumbnails to close to the edges of the site, I think some additional space would be better.
In the 'Journals' list/gallery:
- The posted journals list at the right side of the screen needs some sort of dividing. Probably would be better to alternate between a darker and a lighter background color behind the journal title.
During the submission process page:
- 'Put in scraps' checkbox is unaligned with the rating option. Not a real problem but it looks weird and buggy like this.
In the 'Search' page:
- The section where we choose the number of displayed results, the type of sorting and the displaying order is completely unaligned. I think it would work better if they were shown like topics instead of a single line, like the rest of the options.
Other things:
- The space between comments is a bit too big... especially for nested comments. I feel like they should be closer. It can be confusing like this.
- This: http://puu.sh/h2RFh/a53e8768a3.png - ...why this...? This is completely confusing and plain badly planned... X_X
- The 'Reply' buttom in the comments is very confusing. It can be confusing to know to which comment you want to reply to...
In overall, I'm really happy to see some progress. Hopefully you'll listen to what the users are saying and modify/fix some of those points. :)
- Featured submission should really come back...
- The comments sections are really really really confusing. The 'Reply' buttom is too close to the 'Link' option and it's really confusing me as to which comment it belongs to. :S
I just wanted to add to that since it's hard to see that my bold text leads to a link... XD; But this: http://oi59.tinypic.com/20it92v.jpg is how broken that comment string was before all those comments were hidden...
My only suggestions for this fix:
βreduce color scheme to 3 colors. The watch and send note buttons look incredibly terrible and get lost in spite of being on the darker BG, you should make them 3d or bubble in the same scheme so they look like clickable elements.
βLeast important information in the bottom either free floating or in a smaller font READ: stats et al/comment. Most important information gets mixed up, things like contact info and artist information should be at the top and not completely separated from the body of art.
βThe boxes (Stats/journals/ profile image/user profile) are staggered in a way that makes everything in them look cluttered. Reduce boxes to one side or the other. In spite of there being ONE LESS box (favorites is now a tab) it still looks jumbled to hell. Putting a lot more padding on BOTH sides of the screen might help reduce the eye wondering effect since the eye doesn't have to scroll so farβhaving information cover so much of the damn screen PROMOTES eye wondering and the eye has no one area to focus on. I can't emphasize this enough, it's incredibly bad when they key to galleries is getting the eye to focus one KEY ELEMENTS but the art being at the top is simply not enoughβwith the art box being in the top center of the page, BUT left justified (with the preview on the left) either every box after that needs to be left justified OR the elements INSIDE the box needs to be centered.
I really hate to diss the designer of the UI but it's truly awful for someone in the design field to feel this was acceptible when so many basic elements of design were tossed out.
Also asking for user bio to be on top on profiles, art folders, possibility to username change.
Good luck with continuing to fiddle with the site, though!
And instead of indiscriminately making the user's most recent upload the largest image in the gallery view, wouldn't that be a better place for the user's Featured Image?
Why would statistics come before journals?
It doesn't make a lot of sense in how it's arranged. Otherwise it looks... Okay? I guess?
I liked the light theme to differentiate this site from Weasyl. At the moment they look sort of similar, like this layout was a simplified version.
Maybe the ability to set up what you want people to see on your front page. Check boxes under the pictures (user side only) so you can feature submissions and favorites with a limit up to what you already have at max, and if you happen to use less like 3-4 it makes those bigger.
With the windows 8 theme being used everywhere (for reasons disgustingly unknown) designers should do what it takes to set themselfs apart from other people to become special. Right now, classic is special and the beta looks like recycled garbage.
I do love change, and it is important to see change being implemented, but it is taking what is special about the site currently and forgetting that all of that ever existed while moving forward. That is no way to grow and it is why a bunch of people are going to be and are expressing concerns.
Weasyl is garbage, beta looks like Weasyl..... Feeeeeeeeeex that
the theme is smooth, the profile page design is more organized and easy-readable.
Totally worth hoping for...other than unproductive Weasyl
Love it, and I hope to see more UwU
I do not like the profile layouts at all. I do not like how my submissions look scattered. I like that they kept the hover feature., and the shouts look nice! The actual UI elements are really nice looking.
I HATE HATE HATE the profile layout placement. The fact that profile information is all the way at the bottom just means that even more people will note me asking for commissions before bothering to read my information because now it won't even be at the top of my profile. As I said before I really don't like how the submissions look, at least on my desktop it looks very scattered and doesn't even keep the submissions in a very organized way for the latest/oldest submissions on my profile.
I personally like the older way of showing watchers/who you watch because I like to see the most recent people!
The fact that there is no more apparent featured submission makes your profile image look like it and thats... just.. bad.
Submission/journal pages are nice!!! :D although I don't know why you guys had to move the rating image.. I thought it was fine where it was? Tag placement seems okay..
On the front page there is no section for writers or musicians which kinda leaves those guys hurting (more than they already are lol)
I want to be able to see favorites on the profile page, I hate on weasyl that it's separated! I have always really liked on FA that you could see pretty much all the info you needed to see on someone's profile without having to go to separate tabs.
That's just my input.
If I could fix 2 things, I would put user information back up at the top again and make featured submissions a thing again?? Because maybe it's just me but that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore.. right now it makes my profile ID look like the featured submission. I would put that back to the right side.
I liked that the art aspect on the old layout was all on the left side of the page (submissions, favorites, watchers/watches) and the social aspect was on the right site (journals, shouts, ID, etc)
I recall a tweet of 'neers saying he won't be doing FWA. So maybe this was why :3
Aside form these, the few things mentioned above would be nice to see fixed. Not being able to edit submissions in beta, or having a featured submission. Overall, things appear to be going in a good direction, though!
to quote "Bevis and butthead" - "When somethings cool, why change ?"
Anyhow the new layout is interesting, but I'm on mobile device and it seems like a cluster fuck. The messages concern me as they aren't shown well and I think honestly, bolding them would possibly a good idea. Another thing would be keywords, like other sites are you going to force the need of tags?
Font size need making smaller like everyone is saying overall. But seriously the lag! 8 minutes in post just caused by the lag.
Just some thoughts as I am looking at it right now.
Everyone has already mentioned size and whatever, you guys are fixing it!
PROs:
Modern! Sleek, updated!
CONs:
Profile info DEFINITELY at the top as countless others here have said!
Other than that...? For me this is very heartfelt to see! Way to go, guys! >w<
Otherwise the new layout so far is ok.
On Mobile it is so god awful I switched back and will not be using beta till that is worked on. Its very choppy and while somewhat neat, its too gross looking and needs major polishing. I also noticed the banner and the IMVU ad were taking up too much mobile real-estate. Since I am never going to click on either of those blocks of dead space to me, more than happy to ignore the beta for now. I use my phone constantly for networking and browsing. I would have put more effort into the mobile looking better before launching IMO.
The positive to the mobile is the menu, but the rest, yeah back to the drawing board.
Only thing I would like to see is profile on top or split with art. No one used the commissions tab, I do mildly, but what this is going to cause, is people using the journal slot to add their profile info, making their journals even more spammy. Oh well. Still good show on making progress, and I hope the stuff gets more polished so I feel like using it. Its intuitive, just ugly and too rough for use.
From a look/feel perspective, please please please use some whitespace. My eyes cant breathe with all the jammed up elements vying for attention in every section of the page.
The sleeker, newer design
How submissions are displayed
Updates are once again on the front page
Statistics are at the top of your profile
Neat display icons for your other profiles
What I don't like:
No more featured submission
Journal header/footer is no longer displayed on your profile
Profile info is mid-way on your profile
Submission thumbnails are so far apart
Everything looks so huge. Not all of us own huge monitors.
It's been said time and time again on every update journal, every site improvement thread, yaddy yadda...
But seriously. WILL you or WON'T you be adding Folders?
Cuz, obviously people want that, and OBVIOUSLY it's a good organizational tool. If you want an idea, look at dA's folder system. That's a nice, organized way of doing it. Looks clean, looks good, and is super functional.
i quite rather have the artwork in a square kinda grid like it is now as well, rather than just a long line as well
the other stuff seems kinda interesting though
"Your change is not acceptable! Don't change it!"
Furries being furry I see. I, personally, like the way the beta looks. It's very large and crisp opposed to the other sites it is being compared with. Plus I get to keep it dark, which is a huge plus.
Pros:
~The performance Stability is pretty good. I haven't have too much trouble loading loads of comments from here.
~I also like the colors on this site It looks more modern and stylish.
Cons:
~Some things, are a little bit confusing like. the favourites being on a seperate page. I think there should be an option that you keep the favourites, on the same page or on a different one. This also applies to the other modules like the friend and watchers too. (Nonetheless, I do like having that as a feature where you can turn it on or off. Because I'm one of those people who do not like displaying my watching or watchers list.)
Other than that. I do think it's looks great, and I'll continue to use it. c:
- Consider having a max-width set up, the site does not need to infinitely become wider and it just makes certain parts look bad.
- An account's statistics don't need to be in a large box, let alone one of the very first things a visitor sees. I would recommend opting for the journal in its' place and maybe putting stats in a more discrete place. You could even make it a hide able platform.
-I mistook the search bar to be a new feature that lets you search your notes (first noticed it in the notes section), I would love to have the ability to search through my notes in the future.
Overall, it is determinately an improvement, I hope I am not jumping the gun with my points XD
It took me a min to get use to the beta
But I really like it
My suggestions are as follows..
1. Allow us to adjust UI scale somehow, or reduce it's 'size' from current to half of what it is.
2. Can we possibly.. re-arrange the content boxes? It feels VERY strange to have such spaced out positions for submissions covering the entire screen and having to scroll very far down to view the actual profile and shouts/recent journal.
3. Can't stress it again... but the scale is just gigantic. I feel it's very big.
Other then that? I don't mind it, maybe we could have user style banners to make our pages more personal/unique?
I like how 'modern' it feels aside from that but I may end up swapping back from beta to classic because the scale is just very very huge.. but I will likely keep an eye on it and checking to see the changes because I'm quite interested in the face-lift.
I hope the layout will be polished up before it really goes online.
Slightly reminiscent of Weasyl, but hey, not a bad thing.
ALSO I would love for the featured submission to be added, rather than the profile pic be so big. Also maybe put the profile info before the profile pic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphi.....user_interface
Plus it doesn't seem to have broken the FA filter addon, which is a bit of a bonus :P
EDIT: Additionally, when viewing submissions, the title of the submission is not spaced well against the username of the submitter.
Also add the favorites again in the profile, having the favorites hidden behind a click is bad. Visible favorites on profile is a great way to find other artists. I also like to have a bunch of pretty pictures in my profile.
I know very little of what makes a website good. So I'm kind of unable to really give a meaningful critique on this. I will say, it feels a little messy at the moment, like everything is a bit too big and is pushing up against each other. If that's intended, it's a bit jarring personally. But otherwise, it's nice to get a glimpse of what you guys have had in mind.
EDIT: I guess now that I think about it, I'd give a little bit of a margin to the submissions. It seems like they go flush to the top and bottom of their size, nudging up against the UI? Giving them a little bit of their own margin might help the cramped feeling I was having, as it was strongest on a submission page.
This would also allow custom backgrounds on either side of the content.
OH! And one question, is there going to be a light theme for the new layout at some point? Dark layouts and me dont get along too well o.o
That is all.
it makes me happy to see y'all having some progress on this after so long finally too. i hope it continues to improve with better feedback than my own. (only real complaint i have is where the tag lines/key words get placed after a submission. it's just REALLY something that could be placed on the side corner like before. where it is now just looks awful.)
"IIII LIKE IT!"
I want people to read my profile before they see my art
artist intros make more sense that way not to mention people add important info there that they'd prefer people to read before gandering into their things
not everyone is an artist so putting the gallery first only benefits the artists.
thankyou! Thats exactly what I mean! I want people to know who i am before flipinf through my stuff!
it looked like everything was zoomed in
Can you please add something on the profile info that we can also include our Weasyl profile link? It's a little silly to have SF, IB, DA all on there, but not put a way for people to easily see our Weasyl page link >_>
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....w-UI-%28WIP%29
Reply if necessary, and I'll be sure to update the post to address said issue. Please do keep it realistic, though. No fancy mumbo-jumbo until all of the necessary stuff is laid out first.
-The new layout seems very clunky, huge, in your face type at the moment. Like being on your phone and not being able to zoom out, so everything is too big and you constantly have to side scroll and move up and down.
-It's hard to navigate. I couldn't find very much, and got confused quickly.
-I very much enjoy the grey tones, but I feel that using warmer shades, and maybe adding in some soft blues (both on its own and mixed with the grey) would help ease the appearance. This (unlike the first one) reminds me of a poor mobile version of a site made on dudamobile. I also never looked to see if there were other color options, though.
It has a LOT of potential, and I'm very happy to see progress being made! I can't wait to see the final version, but for now I'll stick to the current style. c:
"FA is probably going to have an announcement soon.", then all of a sudden this. Weird.
Anyways, I have quite a few opinions on this new Layout.
Both good and bad opinions, some things that may help, and maybe
some issues that might be lingering and could maybe be fixed.
(Kinda like the all important "Edit Submission" button being missing.)
Over All, I like this. It could just use a little bit more convenience of space.
More of my ramblings can be found in the forums HERE
as long as it's easy for my watchers to access my scraps just as easily as accessing my favorites (I consider my scraps important)
That and the font over the whole site is about 2 times too large
not just irregular. It's all waaaay too big.
But keep it up~
Its clean, organized and easy to browse. Its about the same as the old layout, but much more pretty to the eyes.
If there's anything that needs a change, its having a 'Light' theme to the Beta.
I prefer when web pages are white more. Having dark pages strains and aches my eyes. Again, just a minor thing I myself would prefer, but overall, its a very nice layout.
... but then I saw:
<span class="fontcolor3 fontsize12" style="float:right;vertical-align:top;padding-top:5px">posted <span title="6 hours ago" class="popup_date">April 5th, 2015 12:12 PM</span>
Get that out of there right now. :B
Beyond that, it should make working on a new iteration of my custom stylesheet a fair bit easier. Thanks.
But then again, everyone else likes it so I need to get used to it.
As for doing math the difficult way, I just have to get used to it if this beta becomes the final form, if they bring back the complete number of messages, that will be more handy than trying to do long addition when I'm half asleep XD
Hmmm.
I like the sleek feel of it.
Of course as a lot of people have noted the text is an issue.
My biggest problem is the note feature actually.
I don't like how condensed the inbox now looks.
Like there isn't enough room for the buttons there?
Similar to Weasyl though.
The profile being on the left hand side still makes it promient and easy to find for those who use it for information. It also gets rid of the issue with people using the profile to fill with a ton of junk that I have to scroll down through in order to reach their galleries or journals. Please for the love of god keep the galleries at the top lmao.
There are some issues I have with the notes system and editing uploaded submissions though. The notes system looks really clunky though I think this is a font size issue which I know you've already acknowleged. The other issue though is I can't find a place to change or edit my submissions. Is this just an oversite? Can we get it corrected so I can edit the file/submission info without having to switch back to classic every time I need to do this. XD
All in all I'm happy to see the site updated and to finally have a ui beta to play in. It looks so much nicer imo and much more modern over-all.
Just as a side note...I brought up weasyl and put it right next to mine and...I don't really see it being a copy of it. They use similar color schemes, sure, but the layout is entirely different.
So many people cried out for change and for things to be more modern. That's what you guys are giving us and I am looking forward to further updates <3
Or am I missing it? @A@
May I also note that, the dark background on such light text is actually giving me a headache :c
Though I may be the only person who experiences this.
Maybe the text be a tad bit darker?? I just feel it's too high of contrast and I cannot look at the site for too long =w= β₯
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u.....on%20issue.png
The most notable problem on the other hand with this UI i see with comment chains, it was already sometimes confusing to follow in the classic UI and is even more confusing on this beta, id have the whole comment including Icon and name surrounded by a second bubble that if made as a reply to another comment would have a wire or extension connecting it with that other comment bubble. The size of the Fonts and sections seem a little cramped but that likely just because im not used to the UI thru issues may arise with mobiles because of the size(havnt checked) I would also adjust position of the profile info section back to the top of the page above, having it towards the very bottom of the page was illy chosen, concerning searches italicizing the user names connected to the submissions was crap. Rating Stamp should remain under submission stats rather then Submission description and the Tags/Keywords should be centralized.
Also the automatic signifier "This submission is copyright Β© 20xx username" from the old UI that the image is copyright to its owner/poster(commissioner) rather then FA is missing.
I would request at some point that a function is made avialible to hide comment chains longer then say 5 replies similar to the way comments on livejournal work. We would also need a dumping or checkbox option for our watches, gallery submissions and journals to delete mutibles of such.
As for journals and stuff I wish we could choose whose journals we watch, similar to DA. Some people spam their journals with nonsense too much, and some people get drowned out so I end up missing art deals. D:
Its new and different. Gives the site a fresh look. I was worried about the IMVU sale thingy but so far this is an improvement. I like it just keep classic in settings for people who do want to use it.
And I think the icons now are more higher quality.... I could be wrong, will only know when I see mine after this comment.
It definitely needed a facelift in terms of aesthetic, and I really like the cleaner approach, but the layout of the userpages is just not working for me. The old layout was logical and flowed well and the distribution of information didn't need to change.
I really, really, really disagree with hiding favorites in a different tab. Fave-browsing is the #1 tool for exposure and exploration of art, artists, and commissioners on FA and this makes it much less likely to happen.
Switching back to the old layout mostly because I'd like to see good art I didn't know about.
Actually, now that I think about it most gallery sites don't show favorites automatically on the front pages. To sound probably a little..eh..dastardly, I hid my favorites because I didn't want to promo other artists on my page. I want to keep people on my page as long as possible, not ship them off to other artists who's art I have plastered on my gallery page through favorites. At least with it being in another tab folks have to click it and it's still an option.
In a way I guess it's kinda a compromise for those who like and hate having favs visible on userpages. (Though I doubt this was the intention of the devs lol)
Sadly, switching back to classic wont hide my favorites again for those who are using the beta. Instead I went through and unfaved the nsfw favs I had that I didn't want people to...well..know I liked. There are just some fetishes people don't need to know I have. XD
If there was a similar option to hide faves (whether in whole or in part) on the new layout I'd be ok with that, but I really disagree with it being tabbed the way it is atm, especially since FA's search function is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............. magical.
Also the font is a bit small, or maybe I just need glasses.
Pictures/Artwork, Stories, and Music used to have their own separate spots on the main page, which was really nice, but now it just shows pictures, unless the stories and music are just mixed in with the rest of it, which isn't good either. As an author myself, I know it's hard for works of literature to get noticed on here. I'm sure music's the same way. Then if you take away the separate spots on the front page, there's little to no hope for writers to get attention. That's just my two cents.
It's Just an Scaling Bug
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsbox01se.....20Bug.png?dl=0
Can't really add anything else that hasn't already been said. Still would like the ability to change username, or alter characters in username, and folders of course.
Keep it up.
Jokes aside, I appreciate that changes are being made to the visuals to the website to improve the overall looks.
Personally though I don't really llike that it's basically a clunkier version of Weasyl's UI.
I think one of the greatest features of FA's current UI is the profile information being on top of the page, followed by both the submissions and the journal, then guestbook.
I get it that the artwork is the key feature of any online gallery, but I feel like FA most of all is about the community and furry lifestyle, hence why people do so many amazing things with their profile texts, like putting little symbols there or pixel art even and neatly arranging every piece of information they feel like is pretty important for other furries to know about them, wether they are artists or not.
I would like it if FA would keep this layout and make some improvements to that instead of making a complete overhaul that feels just like a rip-off.
Let's not forget the UI hasn't changed in so many years; people got so used to the way things are arranged now.
Why not build up on that and give the ability to customize it?
One thing I absolutely dislike is the fact that Writers and Music Uploaders no longer get any publicity at all on the front page! It's not like we had a lot of people viewing new submissions in those categories in the first place, but at least we had some publicity. I hope this is fixed in the future, which it probably will.
I agree with
My impression: "How to try to make an old site look new... and fail at it!"
I don't even... it almost sounds like a book title.
Nail #26275 in the FA Coffin.
1. The profile info is too obscure in a little box at the bottom. Sticking it down there just makes it that much more likely that it will never get seen, and some artists put important info there that you'd need to read before asking for a commission or looking through their submissions. I also like putting my info up there so new people I haven't met may learn a little about me before looking through my gallery.
2. The favorites are not visible until you click a link to view them. Honestly that is how I find most of the new artists I like- accidentally stumbling across something that someone else has faved, sure isn't usually from the home page. Once again, hiding them like that just makes them that much less likely to be seen. There's no real reason to hide them. If I end up on a profile of someone who has a gallery full of images I don't like, I'm probably not gonna stick around and start browsing their favorites. But if their favorites are in plain view one just may still catch my eye.
Maybe have an option of letting people choose where they'd like to position the different cells on the page? I've seen other sites that used to work that way.
I understand the urge for a new look because nowadays things just can't stay the same, always has to be the newest and most modern to keep people happy. I honestly find nothing wrong with the UI now besides what technical problems it may or may not cause behind the scenes, I see no real reason to change the way it looks unless that is what's causing problems. So what if it's a 10 year old layout, people really care that much about being "modern"? Why, what good does that do? If it worked back then and it's still working fine now, sounds fine to me. That's how many websites used to be but for some reason people just feel the need to change them just to keep up with the times.
- Bring back the "Featured Submission" section. Many people likes to use this one for example, for comission info and such...
- Spacing between gallery thumbnails in main page is too big, looks a bit awkward.
Other than this, it's kinda good so far :3
Did I already mention that spacing between thumbnails in main profile page for latest submissions and favourites are rather BIG?
Besides this tiny aesthetics and enhacements, I like -again- this layout, looks clean and functional.
Also about the long profiles being an eyesore- if someone chooses to have a lot of info in there it's what they chose to do. It's their profile to make it as much of an eyesore as they want. It's not the website's responsibility to "clean up" the profile info that people chose to display just cause some may view it as an eyesore. I view fat art as an eyesore, but the site doesn't just automatically filter that out does it?
I think the removal of Featured Submission is a huge mistake, but I like that the gallery thumbnails are larger. Its organized in an awful way, but its a step in the right direction. I dont mind profile information being placed under that. Putting art first is not a bad design choice.
There's too much padding between everything, and the amount of padding is not consistent. The fonts aren't consistent either. Have there been any fixes to FA's compression and resizing? Are features like folders coming?
dark layout without other options is a little harsh on the eyes, good luck with the tweaks and whatnot.
But it lacks something...
Cocks.
I don't post anything here, just favorite art I like, yet the new layout... No.
Right, let's keep broken things as is.
Convoluted comment threads? Are you shitting me right now or just trying to sound important? Because I KNOW that's not an actual concern to anyone...
And no, streamlined anything doesn't count. Usually things that are "streamlined" just means they are over simplified to a point where it becomes generic and difficult to do specific things.
Agreed. Let's not fuck with a good thing.
Haven't you seen comments with various replies where you are needing to be keeping the edge of your mouse on the reply's left side just so you can scroll up to see who that person randomly replied to?
Good luck telling the administration about that complacency though. You're gonna be forced to the new UI someday. :D
And no I haven't seen what you're talking about. Sure I have seen comments, but never that got in my way as you describe. Doesn't sound like an issue to me...
And I know there will be a new UI one day, I am not against change. I just don't like some of the things they decided to change. Some change is good, but not all change should be accepted as good simply because it is change. Some change is pointless and unhelpful, some is the opposite. I just hope they lean towards the helpful ideas instead of the pointless ones that just make it look like a lot of new stuff is happening regardless of whether it helps or not.
Make sure you keep in touch with admins for suggestions then~ :P
The colors also make it easier to read on the site in general and isn't as much of a strain for something more lengthy.
I will say that you could do with something like sofurry has with it's front page, having latest, popular and featured for art, stories and music so that all of them can get some visibility. As is with the current and the beta I never check the front page since you can't see what has been popular recently and only the most recent posts can be seen.
As for profiles I like that the submissions are front and center.
The content rating should be right below the theme or above views on the right side not all the way down the bottom on the left side.
P.S. If you do change the font size keep the font for stories larger, or give us font size options because currently on the live version the font is just way too small for my tastes for reading thousands of words in a story.
1) The links aren't in bold font anymore, so it's difficult to tell the difference between them and plain text...
2) Browsing Scraps, I clicked "Next" and it took me to the second page in the Gallery, not in Scraps...
3) It would be nice that the Submission rating image could be somewhere else than [the bottom of] the descriprion's text, preferably apart from it because there is a little bit distracting...
On the other hand, the improvents are amazing, so I hope you can tune it up a bit more before switching from Classic. Good luck!
- The Desert Fox
- the ability to rearrange your journal , profile image, artist information, etc. Though I like that your submissions are up near the top.
- adjustments for mobile layout. Things don't seem to line up exactly right. It seems that the page tries to keep everything on screen so if there is anything that goes outside the boundries, it doesn't line up right. Not to mention, sometimes it doesn't show responses as indented from the previous comment.
I do like the way things are heading though. And l look forward to seeing where this goes.
This is what this page is.
It has to be more accessible i stay with the another version, simple and easy to read.
My only gripe really is that the profile info is underneath the gallery, which seems really awkward.
The only thing Im complaining about this is the fact that I've heard people getting BLOCKED by admins for requesting to keep old/basic stuff or just asking questions POLITELY about this.
D:
Thanks dragoneer et al.
along with everything being too big (i think it's mostly due to the new large font- cutting that down a size or two would help tons), there is A LOT of scrolling that has to be done on people's profiles. the gallery stretching all the way across the page, along with it being very thick, is really just too much. it covers literally half of the page if you're scrolled all the way to the top. it looked much nicer when it was condensed in the classic layout and would also make room for the user's profile info to be closer to the top- a thing that a lot of people want in the update. contact and user profile are literally at the bottom and that's.. just not good. honestly, the way that everything is laid out on the classic profile works fine. if you just updated it with the visual style you're going for in the beta it'll look much better.
something to consider as far as notifications go: journal and comment previewers similar to da, as well as faster ways to clear individual art notifications like da. i know 'nuke all' is pretty effective, but sometimes i would like to clear individual art notifications quickly and save others to look at later if i'm short on time. having to check each individual notification and then scroll to click 'remove checked' takes unneeded time. being able to respond to comments in your message inbox is also a lot faster and more efficient
The only problem that I have is that the profile information is below all the way at the bottom of the page now. People want that to be the first thing that others see when they visit their page, because there might be important information there. Now that it's pushed completely out of the way, people might forget to scroll down to see it.
might just be me and my 'change makes me very uneasy' thing going on.
Mainly the profile pages. i just think it worked much better, and people are more used to, having profile info at the top, the gallery and favourites both visible and to the left, and the journal to the right with the id pic under it.
also, i think there should be some padding around the edges of the pages as a whole.
The other thing which I feel is easily remedied is how the page feels... crowded. I think it's the font size that's doing it. I screencapped how it looks on my browser and how it looks after using the browser's zoom function to adjust to 75% - I think most of my issue with it is fixed by doing that.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u.....100percent.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u.....r75percent.jpg
Also as an aside, I seriously don't see/get the Weasyl comparison, it just kind of looks like FA rearranged itself to look more like DeviantArt, if anything. Even then, keep in mind this is the first step.
For all the shit FA's management has received, I will give you this; You're making progress. Keep it up and DEFINITELY keep all the criticism in mind when developing the layout.
my biggest issue is where the profile info is, and i know other people have a problem with that too
i have my profile info set up to be right at the top and, with it shoved down to the left its just not as important. where is individuality? im used to deviantart where i decide everything on my profile so making it so that the first thing everyone sees on a profile is the exact same is just kinda boring. plus my profile info is pretty important to how i work on here and its set up to look best on a long horizontal view not shoved down to half the page out of sight
itd be great to move that back up or give us the choice of putting each type of content where we choose
i really like the other profile changes though c: maybe just putting the profile info back where it was and putting journals on the left would make everything look a lot better
This would be awesome, I agree completely. I've been using the 'classic' layout for the site for so long, it feels GOOD, there are some things that are broken with this site but for the most part, it's what many of us are comfortable with. It would be great if we could switch between either one.
That and this looks a little TOO similar to Weasyl's layout. Just saying. I like Weasyl, but still, I'd think that being unique in site design and not trying to LOOK like the competition would be a better move in the long run. It would be completely similar if there was added an option for us to put our own banners on our profile pages. (I would not be surprised if this happened.)
I wish there was a way I could read all my new FA journals like LiveJournal. Or another way would be like Deviant Art's Watch Feed. instead of going back & forth, back & forth etc from the list to read them and checking them off to delete them.
And when browsing new submissions, it would be cool to have a "-remove submission" button added. What I mean is when you click on a link from your new submissions list to view a new piece of art (art/photo/music/story etc) the next page with the full view of the artwork and user comments would have a "-Remove Submission" button added to it.
So if you didn't like the artwork, all you'd have to do is click on that button, and it would return you to your new submissions with that artwork removed from your list. (I hope that makes sense)
>FA becomes weasyl
http://new2.fjcdn.com/movies/9f/ab/.....b_5500450.webm
Even though one day this UI interface will become permanent... I can imagine people leaving over that. *sighs*
Shrinking the UI to 50% of the beta's current setup looks just about right, and also works well with the UI element fonts. The fonts of other things like comments and journals is also a little big, but doesn't need to be too much smaller, 80-90% of the current font size would be ample reduction.
I do like: The style aside from sizes (bubbles in comments, etc). These things create a more appealing look to things, and eases the usage of the site.
And that I can't seem to find how to modify image details/descriptions.
The text and the containers holding them could be much smaller and closer together. Feel like too much wasted screen space. Slightly smaller text and much, much less window padding, especially on the comments.
The reply button could be better placed to fix this too.
The art right at the top of the user page is neat, but the profile stuff I also feel could use better placement and be a bit more apparent, rather than just tossed all the way at the bottom.
Other than that, pretty good beta :D
Its a god damned Fursuit recolor is all it is.
So let me get this straight FA. You announce a site re-design, hire a rapist, he gets everyone to leave after they do all his work for him, then you fire him. ....then you wait and sit on your ass, sell the site to IMVU, then release Fur Affinity Phoenix under a new name so that you can trick everyone into thinking "Oh look! IMVU is a good thing!"
You're stalling politically. Badly I might add.
By the way it looks like a shitty weasyl.
Also, everyone excited to wait another decade for that font to get smaller?
Second, beta. Well, from the looks of things, it's most fitting as a pre-beta. Still needs much work.
Third, 'neer has a boss now. Someone with enough power over him that can make or break him. Unlike when he was freelancing the site, where he had no real pressure from above, he could stall how long he wanted to. Now that he has some pressure from above, he'll finally get his ass into gear. Like many peoples do, they slack when they're not presented with pressure to do something, so they put it off as much as possible. It's only normal, albeit unproductive.
Now please, stop being so salty, chill out, and keep carry on with your day of browsing for furry porn. Might I suggest e621? Since it actually HAS multiple filters. Much easier for finding artists that do the things you like, since there's a source button in there most of the time.
Hm...'neer should add better filters. Wonder how long THAT will take.
first off, agreeing with everyone else crying "weasyl". i despise the layout of that site, and well.. yeah. i dont particularly like it over here either.
100% agreeing with all the comments that everything seems huge. im not sure the word im looking for here but its all very "in your face" when it comes to the text?? if people need the text that big they can change it on their browser, you know? i cant see any reason to have it that big by default (except maybe to munch up extra space you didnt feel like finding a better use for? lmao) i think overbearing might be the word im looking for. the first thing i do when loading a new UI for a website shouldnt be double-checking my browser isnt zoomed in.
meanwhile the thumbnails on your profile are absurdly small. http://i.gyazo.com/d2f84ca7b7085a81.....bfaafd9a77.png like honestly, there is so much space there, i still have my thumbnails set to the largest so its not me. why exactly is all that space being wasted?
having the profile info set up like this is disjointed and doesnt really make any sense. it should all be under the name or it should all be somewhere else. if youre trying to be dA, youll notice the info bits in the 'name bar' are integrated a lot more. instead, we get.. MORE USELESS BLANK SPACE! wasteful FA bar, meet condensed dA bar. the bar on dA is half the size and has more info and elements than the FA bar does. i know icon size is part of it, but theres plenty of extra space on the top and bottom of my icon.
for that matter, why are the statistics with such a huge focus on them? one of my absolute favourite things about FA was that it didnt put a spotlight on your pageviews and watchers. that ALWAYS bothered me about dA and was quite honestly one of the reasons i left. and now youve done that twofold? i know that can be a matter of personal opinion but quite honestly i would LOVE to hear why you thought the statistics deserve that much attention, moreso than the user profile??? again, it couldve been implemented in a much more condensed way.
small nitpick: why do we need a 'read more' button on the journal showing on our profile when clicking on the title AND the comments gives you the exact same thing? more superfluous space-using instead of putting it to good use?
seconding what Sheeva_Aietsukima said about the profile info too. i was filing that under 'personal preference' at first but with peoples commission info primarily in their profile text, thats important to have at the top.
quite honestly, it just looks flat out poorly designed. it looks 'alright' aesthetically i suppose, but there are waaay too many glaring problems for me to be able to get behind it. things are sized poorly everywhere, whether too big or too small, theres a TON of wasted space, and a ton of extra things or poorly designed things left in to take up that space.
the full-length banner is the only thing i can get behind, honestly. but i had a skin for that with the old layout.
im glad to see something is being done at least, but honestly, i dont feel like theres much actual progress here.
edit: just noticed another thing. when you hover a small thumbnail on someones profile it gives it the big one to the left. but you cant click on it??? you could click the enlarged thumbnail on the OLD layout. absolutely what reason was there for changing that?
also when i clicked to edit my comment it threw the box randomly up the page into other peoples comments. a+. http://i.gyazo.com/d512aa3c4b290286.....1af113772d.png made it kinda hard to actually edit it properly.
Fonts are all way, way too big, site background isn't dark enough, the banner at the top is extremely distracting, and the browse page doesn't align properly, so images on the right-hand side of the screen get cut off.
As much as I want there to be improvements to the site, it's not enough to sacrifice the current slim, sleek, non-weasyl website I've come to know and love all these years.
Even if these changes become permanent eventually, I would want the classic option to be available if I want to view the site that way. It's simple using the 'classic' and 'beta' site flip right now, I would really like it to stay that way. Change 'beta' to 'metro' or 'modern' or whatever you want to call it, but I think that would make everyone happy in the end.
Has this been added yet or?
EDIT: I also have to keep my screen zoomed out just so it all fits. Not really important since everything is new and being tested but ya know
though the letter can be abit smaller but I also like the letter the way they are too it looks neat both ways though that my say lol that if no one think of it too ^^
The profile feels like some weird end result from the mating of Deviantart and Weasyl though...I feel like statistics should either be at the bottom under contact information or user profile, or in the top bar where the watch and send note options are. Maybe an option for featured submissions too? It feels empty and a little weird with the gallery uptop.
I had to do so since I find the new beta very hard to trade
I'd like to see a little more space between a lot of things and the edge of the screen. And to not see comments stretching to the entire width of the browser - limiting them to ~40em wide would be a lot more readable.
Edit functionality for submissions is currently gone, I'm sure that's on the todo list.
Comment box is crunched up against the formatting buttons, needs a bit more space there.
The footer is hella tall for what's in it.
On my computer (OSX, Safari) the search form is pre-filled with "Type here to perform a quick searc", with the C partially cut off. Typing text shows that the edge of the text box seems to stop there, despite having a couple hundred more pixels of the pale background that it's in. Maybe just change that to "Search"? And stick the standard magnifying glass icon to the side?
Rating warnings are mashed right up against the bottom of submission descriptions. Needs some padding.
Font size is fine for me, the people saying 'font is too tiny' make me suspect some browser/os combo is deciding to draw text super tiny. Hopefully some of the folks saying that mentioned what they use so you can fix it.
It feels weird that you can't click on the big thumbnail in the recent submissions/favorites section, only the little ones.
That's a bunch of picky stuff. Overall I'm a ton happier with this, I was really sick of the 'outlined boxes everywhere' look left over from the 90s.
There are definitely things that need to be worked on, I think a link to your username/profile next to your messages would be nice and my recent submissions appear cut off on my android device. I know this is still in beta, but so far I like the direction they're taking (hopefully it actually goes live this time) and I hope there is an option to keep using the default theme bc man I don't want to hear people complain nonstop about it
Knowing FA's record, this LOOKS like something that could be amazing. But it probably won't be. I'm waiting for them to prove me wrong, but I've been waiting for that to happen for years.
FA has been yanking their users around for years. Surly you're not trying to imply that they should not be upset. :3c
Also when someone opens up with their opinion on a public space like this, they are likely going to get responses. And most times, those responses are actual discussion, not spam.
Honestly you come off as one of those people who don't really read the comment sections on these journals, and just want to roll in drama that isn't really existant.
So try again? c:
This is amazing, it's reminding me of the Google - Youtube buyout except it involves much smaller, more autistic players that I can actually point and laugh at instead of nameless VIP's.
Actually you're probably exactly right.
Though I do recommend, since it's a past game system to change "Wii Code" to something like Nintendo ID, because the Wii U and such.
That's not a bad thing though. Project Phoenix, with Zaush leading the dev team at the time, was a glimmer of hope that things were changing for the better, and now we're finally getting to see the fruits of their labor.
It's far from finished, with even Weasyl being a more functional beta than this, but I'm feeling that glimmer of hope slowly start to come back.
Edit: I took a snapshot of this comment, just in case.
Just no guys.. please, we can do so much better than that mess
I would rather see both lattest submissions and faves instead of one or the other... and the profile info should remain on top: it is something to look first, not something you go hunting down a page... IMO... Asside from that, it is not a bad beta....
...Yet I am reverting to standard. ^.^FA's original theme was duplicated from DA. If it's functional, I see no reason to adopt it.
Love the bigger banner, the placement of statistics and journals and look of shouts just underneath that.
Nos so sure if i like the placement of the profile picture but there's actually nowhere else to put it so oh well.
Messages placement will also take some getting used to, and i think you should add in the easy access to notes again..
contact info placement is perfect too! Right where it should be, seems convenient to me <3
Everything else just seems.. perfect; great job guys!
I don't normally comment on these things cause i hate pointless drama and hatred; but i felt putting in my two cents was necessary this time around.
Keep up the awesome work!
Not saying artists shouldn't be standing for their rights, hell i'm a budding artist too ^w^
But what i'm saying is; if you can't go about it in a constructive intelligent way and instead call people crude words, belittle them, and shout out whatever without providing clear and easy facts to back up your claims, you will only be ignored and/or people will think little of it and you.
I do not appreciate being called moronic or unintelligent; but i won't hold it against you since looking at comments i see it is a very, painfully common thing.
And for your knowledge i am male and you will address me as such; thank you. <3
1) Favorites and submissions do not show their titles anymore, at least on the Profile page. It's a minor flaw, but often it helps...especially with stories, because you literally can't see ANYTHING about the submission until you open it.
2) As others have noted, yeah the fonts are a little large. Not insanely large, but it's a very noticeable increase and leaves the site looking unweildy.
3) While I know there's a balance between being "too busy" and being "too sparse" which can be difficult to reach, right now I'd say it *feels* like there's a lot of wasted space. I suspect this is part of what people mean when they say it looks like Windows for people with poor eyesight; Windows 8 has a similar "large blocks of solid color with big black-or-white Segoe UI font" aesthetic.
4) I think you should consider some (slight) repositioning of the Submission/Journal/etc. notifications in the upper right. Even though I knew where to look generally, I almost missed them when first using the beta layout, and they kinda crunch together excessively. Perhaps giving them full "buttons" (e.g. some spacing between the individual links) with slightly different color? Like blue for submissions, green for journals, red for notes, yellow for something else, purple for etc. etc. That way you can clearly see at a glance what you've got, and it's easy to pick out where they are.
Compact everything down some and it would be perfect
In profile view, image thumbnails for submissions / favourites could do with being larger - reduce the amount of empty white space between them.
I'm really not sure I like my "favourites" being hidden behind my submissions. I use favourites as a way to discover new artists - "Which other artists does this person who liked my art like?"
Where has the featured artwork gone? I would personally rather have my *featured* artwork shown on my profile page than my "profile image" - especially since profile images are limited to images in Scraps, not Gallery, and I don't want to have to "scrap" the artwork I chose as "the best and most representative piece".
Also, seeing as the preview image (please make this a clickable link - it looks like it should be!) is part of the submissions, I would left-align the "recent submissions / recent favourites" link to sit above the preview image, instead of floating somewhere in the middle where it doesn't seem to align with anything specifically.
I'd be inclined to suggest that the stats and the profile image (made smaller) could inhabit the same box, and that the featured image could appear in the current profile image box, or the stats could go UNDER the contact information (seeing as they aren't as critical to show above-the-fold as, say, profile info might be - although I personally don't see the benefit of profiles being above artwork, because my experience is that people aren't reading them regularly and use journals / submissions to determine when an artist is available for commissions, I can understand some people do use this.)
The "website" icon in Contact Information is currently showing me a broken image.
In gallery / scraps / recent submissions view, can you please put the artist name after a line break, instead of having it as a run-on of the image description?
I do like the larger text (in general) but I hope the font sizes will be made consistent sitewide - the difference in size of fonts shown on the Submissions page is a bit jarring.
I know that if I'd bought an advertising banner from FA, I'd be pretty frustrated and annoyed if it'll only ever display at the BOTTOM of the page - and I cannot actually see where it would go up at the top.
I know it isn't the final draft either, so I can't wait to see more progress on it. Maybe with some tuning, and community opinions we can have a new, as well as unique FA
- First off, in the submissions page, you need to put a <br> tag between submission titles and user names.
- Less space between comments. It makes it feel like there's a ton of wasted space on the page.
- Place a comment box at the top of journals as well as the bottom. With this new layout, it actually took me a bit to find the comment box on this massive journal; I can see it being a problem down the road as well.
- Buttons should have darker text all around. I know the lights / whites for text are your branding, but especially on the submissions page it's hard to read at times.
- The white text on the black background in the footer is painful to read.
- Your colors in the beta don't match your branding at all. Try to incorporate more yellows if you can. Hell, you're welcome to use my site as an example of good use of background yellows. http://drawncon.com
Either way, overall it's a nice improvement and step forward. Good work guys!
and this new design is so watcher/artist unfriendly, cutting things like favorites, pics names and more, or hiding them, wow....the "f**k the artists" policy is on march soon, eh? anyways, again, it's your house, i am simply a visitor.
It feels more clunky, less informative, and less open then the current build.
Did we step backwards in time to the previous millennia?
Everything about this beta format is too large-- particularly the text. It is IN YOUR FACE, and quite obnoxious to switch to after viewing sites like Weasyl or Facebook. I feel that you guys need to make better use of negative space and consider orienting the comments differently. Comments shouldn't stretch across an entire page. It's difficult to read, and painful on the eyes.
Another important thing I must mention (regarding eyes) is that, as someone with poor vision, it is very difficult for me to look at this beta screen. The backdrops for the comments are too similar to the background, with no clear border between the two. With my bad vision, this gives an effect where the background colour and the colour behind the comments mix together and make the entire format seem rather muddy and unclear.
Minimalism is cool and all, but perhaps consider making more concrete borders-- or making the various colours on the site more distinct. I'm not sure if other people with visual problems are having these issues, but I am just-- having an extremely difficult time reading your site right now.
I cannot stress enough how important borders and/or distinct edges are. Everything is washed out as it is, I'm squinting to read the comments posted before mine. Even the "Post Your Comment" button looks like it's fading into the background since it's of a similar luminescence.
Tumblr did something similar to this recently (removing the white borders around their posts) and I cannot even begin to express the amount of eye strain and disorientation I went through before xkit and stylish saved the day.
1. Favorite/Submission Area is kinda big. Something closer to classic size to me would make more sense.
2. I really liked to be back to see favs from the front page, so would prefer them seperated as with the classic.
3. My opinion it would be far better to put profile info and image up top as before. I mean for one thing, pages like
Do like the better search tools and the layout is kinda nice, but yea.
β« Automatic adjustments of the UI to match screen sizes with the use of Javascript or some other.
This would compensate the differences between large screens (ie; HDTV sizes) and small screens (ie; Laptop sizes) by which it automatically adjusts the size of the layout when it detects what size of screen a person may be using so that it matches it.
I can see that this current Beta UI would work for HDTV sized screens, but it doesn't work so very nicely for those with smaller screens 1366x768 is the usual normal sizes for Laptops, while screen sizes above that will be bigger. Just a little something so that it changes font size and buttons etc⦠to a certain size that's appropriate.
β« Inbox messages. from what I've seen so far with the layout, clicking on the messages links puts a hashtag into the URL, and because of that whenever you are still on the Messages Inbox page and you click it again, it doesn't refresh the page, I looked at the HTML code on that page and I see that it doesn't work the way it currently is. Firstly it needs an ID name instead of using hashtags;
this line for example:
<a title="Journals" href="/msg/others/#journals">109J</a>
should be more like this:
<a title="Journals" href="/msg/others/" id="new-journals">109J</a>
and this works and loads the page again when clicked on.
Second thing is on the submissions page, the text I'm seeing under a submission is a single"titleartist" on the old view they were on separate lines. The source looks the same, so probably just how a style is being pulled.
Does it look like weasyl? Yes...yes it does to me if only for having an identical background color.
Ho-we-ver, considering how long FA kept the exact same style for so long a change isn't a bad thing (plus this is a beta, hopefully all those comments about putting the profile back at the top of the page sunk in), so i'm actually just a bit glad they're doing SOMETHING instead of doing NOTHING.
Now can someone put the area where you comment section at the top of the page? This whole thing gave me a massive migraine.
Beta is a mostly done version of the stuff, with no new big features planned to being added.
Alpha is the one that is an early preview, with the promise of new stuff coming.
Yet beta is a more together version, its getting a lot closer to being done, but is never a final product. It's usually put out for user to help out with finding bugs (Which, looking at all the comments, people have been doing plenty of ;3). It will still need, and recieve updates. Best example will always be, ever played a beta game? They may seem like a shiny polished piece, but they still get massive updates and mechanic overhauls and major bug patches if those overhauls go awire.
The only thing that really stays as it is and doesn't receive much change is an official release ^o^
to be honest, this preview release is doing much better than I ever expected it to, users are actually being pro-active in helping for once (on a broad scale, I mean) in the way of support, appropriate suggestions and bug hunters.
they got a decent budget now, they can do a cool website that looks like it was made in 2015.
I want to believe this beta is only the layout for the site, and actual styling comes later. which would make this an alpha version.
not that calling it this or that really matters until they get things done, i think it only affects the impression of the few developers amongst the FA user-base... oh wait...
Forgive me for going to back to the mass-media analogy, but its like animated film making or franchise video games: things that come out in 2015 were made on 2012 technology because of how long the finished film takes, so by the time a 3 years in the making film comes out, its already outdated by 3 years of technology that it didn't get to utilize~
Not that that really gives them much of an excuse on the matter, cause that then leads to the very appropriate question of what the heck have you been doing with all that time O.O
My profile page looks too cluttered.
I'd keep the "Classic" interface as an option - for people who still want it.
I can see far, FAR less information on screen at once than before, and the flat coloured buttons on black look hideous and remind me of a combination of Weasyl and Windows 8.
You're going to keep the old style appearance as an option right? At least remember to add a light colour scheme. In fact, light back with dark text should be standard, I don't care how anyone tries to defend it, Light on Dark IS bad for the eyes.
I've experienced more discomfort from black on EYE SEARING WHITE than the other way around. See, microsoft office, youtube, the default settings for the gnome and OSX terminal emulators, microsoft office, paper in direct sunlight, and so forth.
Every opportunity I can get to change the background of a website to dark grey I take it. White backgrounds with dark text HURT my eyes and make things extremely difficult for me to see. Now if this was straight black with white text it wouldn't work quite as well but it'd still be less painful than stark white with black text...
The current FA light scheme uses a soft slightly bluish-grey background that is extremely easy on the eyes. The current beta UI physically hurts to look at for me, the contrast is too high and the fonts are comically oversized.
Welp, I'm late! Time to shout obscene things and offer my insight on this subject that no one otherwise gives a shit about! <3
:D
-Why can't I delete my notes?
-Will custom thumbnails make a comeback?
-How about the featured submission option? It seems to be missing on the user page.
As well, how about the ability of search through journals? Similar to the searching through images... but journals. I like to find different people to commission, and I think the option of being able to search journals for keywords like "Commission" or "stream" would be wonderfully helpful for me.
Its probably vein of me, but a 'Last viewed' list would be interesting to see. Probably show clickable names, and not the profile icons themselves.
THIS THIS THIS
This would come in handy so much for people that use journals to advertise stuff like commissions and streams and the like. Sure, you can just submit an image to do that, but that's kind of...I don't know, cumbersome, I guess? Plus it doesn't heart to have multiple means of promoting yourself that people can actually find without having to be a watcher of yours already.
If the art looks good, and you put 2 good stickers on it, it'll still look like a mess. Perhaps put an extra bar underneath with ads on it? I don't know. Maybe you can figure something out.
"TITLEOFPIC"artist^--its like that
That is legit annoying and I hope it's among the fixes for the UI beta (among many, many others)
In fact the way I see it is yes IMVU did buy FA but if you even bothered to read the interview with the CEO (I think) of IMVU it clearly says that IMVU will be supporting FA financially whilst current admins are to operate the site not IMVU! So quite honestly all of you who think that is a bad thing then stop using FA simple as that.
Also I quite like the new UI the old one was getting outdated and I hope the new UI has different theme options such a Light themes or just different themes and more of them.
Gods, FINALLY some with some sense around here lol
SP
We desperately need folders pls
1) It's TOO BIG! Everything is so huge that it looks like not fitting. Making it smaller and adding some sidebars could make the site look lighter and better
2) Profile info should stay on top, scrolling down for it feels really weird and unnatural
3) Fonts in new submissions are blurry and not sharp, hard to read for me
4) About comments: I think answers could be placed more to the right because at first look I took answers as normal posts, but that was just my feeling
Other than the fonts not rendering properly and ending up bigger than I think they should be, and the notifications being on the bar UNDER your username, where it's a bit harder to see...
I think this layout looks pretty nice.
Unfortunately, a new coat of paint on your Family Junker ain't gonna change the fact that it's your Family Junker, Neer.
Basically the fresh new paintjob (CSS Stylesheet) looks admirable. But that doesn't solve the problems of...
The engine being rusted and in one-too-many crashes. (Server Hardware.)
The car being an illegal model in 19 states. (Unnecessary content bans.)
The designated driver suffering severe cases of road rage. (Do I really have to explain this one to you, Neer?)
The GPS system giving the wrong directions. (Your rather questionable administration choices.)
The suspension squeaking and jamming until you throw it out. (How said admins have acted until you decided to ban a majority of them and hire new ones.)
The duct-tape-and-chewing-gum-patchwork of the leather seat. (The shoddily-written, easily-manipulated rules.)
And the fact that your passengers are whiny 3 year olds who scream like banshees. (You know who you are.)
But nice Paintjob, Drag's.
Conclusion: 10/10 dont blame Neer for selling the site. I wouldn't want to deal with the hateful and unhelpful things folks have to say and have this giant stresser looming over my head 24/7. Do I agree with everything thats been going on with FA? no, could I do any better?? Hell no. It just seems EVERYONE loves to hate FA and FA admins. While I'm not huge on the new UI I realize it's some form of change with more changes to come. Things I think FA could do to at least TRY to get folks to not hate everything all the time: Ask the populace what they want to see..put it to a cast voting system(if the changes are plausible) My only issues I've ever had with FA is this is supposed to be a site for the community but it seems no ones really trying to listen. I feel if the admins and whom ever is making the changes actually asked folks what they'd like to see over all folks would be happier. I'm hoping that trouble tickets will no longer be ignored and many things in the community will be fixed. I'm also hoping the IMVU buyout will change very little in the aspect of community and will only show to improve the site overall. I'm treating it as a wait and see type situation...because thats all I can do.
I'd like to see a "light" version of it tough. I'm not a fan of dark themes. Will there be such a thing?
PROGRESS!!!!!
its more appealing to look at in my opinion.
Can't wait to see what its like when its finished
-BASICALLY keep old user page layouts with new style - like keep info on top etc - dont merge the box that includes "fav artist/etc" in the info section - it looks really bad this way and a lot of artists work hard to have a nice about me section as the landing for their page/info
-Bring back Featured Submissions - as said in previous comments - its important for artists to have at least 1 highlighted piece because recent work doesnt always show the best of your work/make the impression that you want people to remember/possibly watch or not watch you for
-NOTES IN THREAD FORM AHHHHH - this is the most irritating thing about the note system. Like remember when you had a flip phone and wanted to go back into the convo to find out what they said by going through your texts? and now on phones is a simple threaded convo - I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH- the whole 'replies under it like an email' thing is sooo hard to deal with and looks like crap
-smaller font - holy cow
-folders for galleries
Its definitely working towards a better big pictures, but I will not be using this until a lot of things have changed -3-
I appears very rough and not with enough focus on art, like design takes focus away from art sadly. I really look forward to seeing the new features you think of though :)
There is no Change Submission File option anymore for Submissions!
This is definitely something that needs to be added in because it's essential to be able to change/update submissions in case of errors or changes.
Things I would like to be changed:
1. Info on top of everything as it is now.
2. Journal to be visible at the page instantly (as well as it static HEADER and FOOTER)
I keep a lot of important info for commissioners there, so I would like it to be there still.
Typography:
1, Fonts are too big,
2, Line height is too small
3, Paragraphs are too long (there is no max-width? why?)
UI:
1. Comment boxes are too wide ( no max-width? )
2. Edit Submission is missing
3. Submission image REALLY needs top and bottom padding. It should look like a frame.
4. In the submission description:
a, Warning is just floating like that in the middle? (maybe put it under or top of the stats?)
b, Keywords are really big, and also has a backgrounds. I don't think the keywords are the most important things in the description. The background is totally unnecessary.
c, There is an "uploaded time" under the user name and also a "posted" time in the stats.
d, In the container (where is the "older", "add to favorites", "download", etc.) there is vertical lines.
I understand that it has to separe the buttons, but it's the least stylish thing to do.
5. The user page layout is make no sense.
The recent submissions be on top, and the profile info down?
The recent pictures almost smaller than the icon of the user?
View gallery button align to right?
In the contact info there are colorful logos? Is this a commercial? At least use some grayscale icons.
etc...
After all is not so bad, I think it'll be fine, if It'll be reconsidered what are the users want and what is important to them.
Another big issue is that you can't reply to shouts. Whatever the original intent was for the shout wall, it's being used largely as it is on dA - for small talk, or thanking people for faving, etc. Without the ability to reply to those and have them appear in the same space, you force a disjointed conversation to take place on two profile pages at once, and you outright discourage socializing, which I would think is a central part of this site.
As for the changes that have been made, it looks nice, yes, but you've also significantly reduced the amount of information I'm getting in the page at once. There's a HUGE amount of whitespace all over the place. This thread for example - Right now, I can see four comments above this one, when there is room for at least double that amount.
Also please dont keep favorites in a tab, thats how a lot of artists get their work noticed!
Maybe just the typography is a bit too big but I like that FA UI. ^^
And: a new design HAS to come with a mobile version of the website. It can't be stated often enough. Have a mobile page - it's 2015, guys. You're way behind the global trend.
I think if anything allow people to change theme colours so that they can pick a less jarring mix of light vs dark. The "dark" FA layout is perfect in terms of contrast of light and dark, so I switched back immediately. I spend a ridiculous amount of time in front of the computer for school, burning out my retinas from my cintiq, so when I browse, I'd like to keep what little vision I have left.
I also think it would benefit if something were put in place to allow people to edit the layouts of their profile pages, similar to DA with the widgets- this would alleviate much of the concern from people re: the information being at the bottom, favorites not showing unless you click the link, etc.
Note says `click to edit image` but it just goes to normal image display mode from there.
So, I guess I can't move things to scraps and such yet then?
I noticed a typo, had to go back to the old version of the UI to make the changes. Other than that, it's a start.
-Bring back the "Featured Artwork" section. This helps a lot to either show your best piece in your gallery, or to feature comission prices in image formate, without sacrificing your profile photo.
-Speaking of which, if space is a concern, you can interchange profile picture with featured section... I don't see a reason you may want a profile picture, unless you are into fursuiting or such, in which case, you can always put that as optional and still have both...
-Fonts are inconsistent, yeah, you already know that, but also, they are AY too big on profiles, shouts and comments, sizing them to 80% or 75% should suffice for a clear reading.
-Spacing in gallery thumbnails in profile is way too big, either shorten it or make the images bigger (I would preffer the former)
-You can add a section in which you can customize if you are open for comissions, trades or requests, similar to Weasyl's, yeah, people complain this looks similar to Weasyl interface, this is the same idea, but is useful, ripoff or not, it needs to be added so you avoid using your profile info for that... This can be placed next to the Notification Indicator section.
-Account settings look cluttered, because fonts (again) are way too big, and buttons. Looks kinda bugged. The "Update your settings" button needs to be centered, looks ugly the way it is aligned currently.
-Contrast is a killer, it's eyesore, either make the background a bit (tiny bit) lighter, or the fonts in a shade of gray, it kinda hurts like it is right now.
-Someone pointed out that spacing between submission name and artist name is unexistant: http://prntscr.com/6q4dcm, you can always put the artist name below, like it used to be.
-Fonts on submission names in gallerie or scraps is way too small.
-"Go to Gallery" option would be named "Go to Scraps" and redirect to that place when looking a scrap submission.
-Unable to edit submissions in current beta.
-Favourites and watches need to be like they used to be in the profile in older template, many people are just too lazy to click to see your favourites in the section you provided currently. Gallery goes well in there though.
-The part in which you see your avatar on top of the profile it's kinda... empty? Is it a placeholder for an "artist banner" ala Weasyl? if so, it's OK then, if not, it's just wasted space... letting you add more info or the commision/trade/request status indicators may make it more useful... or you can add the statistics part in that place, where it currently is is just a waste of space, and it's also way too big...
-In stats section, the fonts for the date are way too small...
-Search bar should be located next to the main menu of the site, the place it has is just dull... and it needs at least the classic lens icon to actually see that it's a search bar... you easily miss that if you look too fast...
-Big thumbnail in profile for submissions is not clickable anymore... while it should be :3
-This is not a suggestion, but I rather like that the UI is quite responsive, and faster somehow than the older one.
-Talking about favourites section... why not placing it below profile information? seems apropiate.
-In general, the UI feels cluttered a bit, because of the big fonts, reducing them to 80 or 75% can fix it (I know I said this already, but its important for easthetics)
-Content advisory warning is misplaced, below image statistics is a better place for it.
-Not a suggestion again, but account settings is flawed, if you change template and set an incorrect password, it still saves your settings, CRITICAL security concern in here :P
Perhaps would be easier for them to read if we do a thread in here? If you have something to suggest, reply in here so we keep it easy, also, it doesn't matter if you repeat stuff already posted, it may help making a rating of most requested changes...
If you feel this is a good idea, go ahead...
Also whats with the filled steam contact when empty: maxlength = ????
Sure, Inkbunny has lots of MSpaint-scat-rape-cub-fuck but it looks much better.
http://buybackfa.com
http://buybackfa.com
http://buybackfa.com
http://buybackfa.com
http://buybackfa.com
Brilliant plan.
So, again, your naively believe they are gonna give money to the site for free, expecting nothing in return, because that's how your imaginary world works.
Also, ad hominem, as you are attacking my character in there. And very nice job addressing my other points which, surprisingly, address points you've made in the past.
That's what I read.
I'm just saying that IMVU has a plan, whereas, while there's a valiant effort being made, the "Buy Back FA" people have a half-baked concept that's less certain than the corporate entity that's bought FA.
And, I'll raise you one more: Any funds raised by BBFA will mean less money for commissioners, which reduces their purchasing power, hurting artists. According you your logic, BBFA is just as bad then.
AND, you, person who doesn't know arythmetic, Imvu will require not only a constant reap of money, but in bigger amounts because they not only need to keep the site afloat but to pay Dragoneer's wage AND have a profit.
Can you get that simple sum in your head or you are not even able to do elementary school math?
Also, I'm going to point out that, given an opportunity to prove your point, you've instead decided to attack me and not my logic, nor are you providing statistics, thus failing to reach your own standard of "statistics beats not-statistics."
You, again, assume IMVU can't handle floating FA at any point. It obviously can. It turns a profit. It's seen monthly costs, and talked out a wage for Dragoneer. IMVU is aware of the costs, is able to support them and, again, is confident that the situation will prove advantageous to them. Web traffic is a very important thing to online businesses. For a long time, Google operated for free, with stocks driven by web traffic. They've since expanded their business and have found other ventures to dip into, such as the Android operating system. You also seem to be assuming that IMVU needs every single user to do something profitable, which is an absolutely incorrect assumption. Like Skype, a perfectly free program, they don't assume every user will spring for a Premium Membership or click on every single ad.
A simple look at a complicated problem doesn't truly solve the issue. You're not even making an educated guess, like the Perfectly Spherical Cow is to physics problems. You're making grand assumptions and vague, simple statements, applying them to an extreme, and then establishing that as fact. That's not how logic works, nor math.
Ad revenue alone could not keep the site afloat before. How can THE SAME amount of money can keep the side afloat, pay Dragoneer's wage, pay the new coders and generate profit?
Is it magic money or what?
Don't talk to me about understanding, when you cling to a very simplistic and rigid outlook on the situation, as opposed to understanding that there are more nuances to the situation than you're admitting to. Time and time again I bring up plausible, not just possible, alternatives to what you say, and your response is repeatedly to claim "rhetoric" and disregard. At no point do I refute that the acquisition could go south in the longrun, but, instead, I refute your logic, your fear-mongering, the spreading of mis- and dis-information, assumptions, numbers grabbed from thin air, etc.
But what I say is based in simple arythmetic and bussiness knowledge
"Oh but bla bla bla bla"
Seriously, if you never finished elementary school is your fault, not mine.
Ad hominem: You are, once again, attacking my character by claiming I'm under-educated. Please, if you're going to keep these up, at least be fresh. I'm starting to make a drinking game out of your replies.
In the past, adspace was never enough to keep the site going.
Now, Imvu pretends to make us believe that THE SAME money will keep the site afloat, pay Dragoneer's wage, the coder's wage and generate profit.
But this is a deja vu. I already told you like ten times that even if you reduce all the wages by 50% the adspace money is still not enough. I told that several times. (and, just because I know you can't do math, 77,550 is more than the half of 128,000).
This is why I don't take you seriously and don't even bother myself anymore to even read what you post.
Again, you assume. You, again, assume FA is relying entirely on ad space, as opposed to members crossing over and dabbling in their program. You, again, assume NO ONE will do so. You, again, assume that success is only measured through dollars and cents that are generated solely from FA alone. You, again, assume that there is not a business at large that can capitalize on ownership of this site. You, again, assume that IMVU can't use existing resources and personnel to assist on the project of FA, meaning that they're shifting around existing resources, and not actually adding on to costs.
These are things you're either not considering, or unwilling to consider because, and this is my guess here, confirmation bias: it doesn't align with your own view, and thus you choose to deny it.
Hahaha, face it, you can't do any math.
Ad hominem: the usual from you.
Fact: You didn't understand what the mean wage of the top 10% (90th percentile) was, and claimed it to be the mean of all programmers.
Fact: Median wage is middle number, not an average, and its use can imply a couple of things. In this case, it is literally the middle number, as opposed to the mean. Use of a median also implies a heavy skew to one side, in this case the upper 50% sees a lot more growth than the lower 50%.
Correction: I am, again, pointing out how you are grasping at straws here. If you're not making sophomoric ad hominems or attempting to put words in my mouth, you're spouting rhetoric, mis-information, and outright lies, and have provided precisely one link to back up any claim you've made, which lead to no specific information at all. You state tings with absolute certainty, despite the lack of concrete evidence, and yet other, plausible alternatives are seen as foreign, conspiracies, or far-fetched.
Personally, I'm finding that any change in your responses comes from making up things about what I'm saying, and yet I can do more than say, "lol, you can't math" when it comes to critiquing what you say.
But of course, you can't do simple math, but you sure can write a lot of pointless rhetoric, have you ever considered creating an account in Tumblr? Hahaha
You don't understand basic math concepts and just yell at me absurd rhetoric claiming that I say "ad hominems", when stating facts is not an ad hominem. Now, you either are just that retarded or you don't give a damn about the future of furry artists and just do this in an asinine attempt to mock legitimate and logic concerns.
I've given more statistics, examples, and proof than you have. I haven't plagiarized either, unlike you. I haven't made any outlandish claims, nor do I try to slander your name with libel, instead bringing up direct quotes that you've made to emphasize points repeatedly, and when I've applied your logic to points, you've shot them down. I've addressed all your points, and even pointed out how you have a double-standard between how you're treating FA/IMVU compared to the entirely fluid, non-existent plans of BBFA, to which you really haven't commented on or attempted to defend, instead attacking FA, IMVU, Dragoneer, and myself.
I have, in short, responded logically to all your points, no matter how ridiculous, time and time again, spelled things out, and give tangible, real-life examples and information on how you are over-simplifying the situation to make a straw man argument in your favor, which has come out to be entirely ridiculous.
And you're going to sit there and say long posts means rhetoric, and this I'm wrong because you say so, despite the fact that you made a very poor attempt at trying to pin myself on doing. You're wrong because you aren't taking into account other, more complex variables that are, in fact, relevant to the situation at hand and do need to be considered as they provide a more complete picture of the situation.
But you're not going to listen, you're going to say I'm "ignorant, uneducated, and don't understand arythmetic," and that "it's not an ad hominem if it's a fact," along with establishing that your libel (what you call "facts") are true and that I'm obviously inferior. Also, it's "arithmetic," by the way. I've corrected you before, but your repeated misspelling makes it clear that it's not just a typo.
According to Imvu and Dragoneer, Imvu is going to stay "hands-off" the site and thus they are not going to install premium accounts or other measures. They say, their benefit from this acquisition (and the month to month costs it implies) will come from two sources: Ad revenue and new users getting into Imvu.
Lets arrange this as the following:
A= ad revenue
B= site's maintenance costs
C= Dragoneer's wage as new employee
D= the cost of the coders Imvu claims will bring
E= the cost of the site's acquisition
F= profit for th company
For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs, thus we have:
A<B
According to Imvu, the very same money that was not enough to cover costs, now is going to be able to cover them and cover all the other costs:
"A= B+C+D+E+F"
BUT, since A<B, then the correct statement is:
A=/= B+C+D+E+F
They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Will this new value "X" be enough to turn the inequation into an equation such that A+X= B+C+D+E+F?
Given 1, 2 and 3, again, this is quite unlikely to happen. Thus Imvu will have to find other ways to obtain income from FA... said new measures however, will inevitably damage the community's acuisitive power, and both users and artists will feel the blow when Imvu starts installing measures to squeeze money from us.
As previously demonstrated, what they claim will be their only benefits is not enough to cover costs and generate profit, thus, they are either lying or they are just willing to play charity.
Thats not including the money they get from their own site that they can use also.
They dont need to touch FA because FA is bringing traffic to THEIR site.
Now, let me teach you how to read baby:
"Their second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum."
First off, let's look at costs. You have Wages (W), for employees to work on FA. So far that's Dragoneer. Whether there are more programmers or not is another matter, but being a company with some already on staff, I find it hard to believe they'll bring in entirely new people instead of using existing resources, especially if they're looking to upgrade the site quickly. You won't need so many people to work on it until the end of time, after all. Next, we have Maintenence (M), being the monthly costs of servers, DDoS protection. Then we can have Upgrades (U), to buy new equipment, though this won't always apply.
Let's move onto things that measure success. We have Ad Revenue (A), we have Traffic (T), and we have Investment (I). Ad revenue is, of course, based on clicks, and IMVU, as any business should, can come up with an estimated number of ad clicks based off of traffic. Traffic, again, is a valuable asset to a website, and can indirectly lead to funds, and also shows a measure of success, leading to investors. Investment is large things like stocks and value change of said stocks compared to the number of stocks. (So, if the stocks split, value hasn't gone down, there are twice as many stocks at half the previous price). Now, we can find Profit (P).
The equation, then, reads as follows:
A+T+I-M-W+/-U= P.
You'll notice that I left the initial acquisition cost of $20,000 out. That's because it bloats the figures early-on, and gets incrementally smaller as the months pass. If one business takes over another and is intent on updating it, they don't expect profits right away. They expect it to pay out over time. In the business world, you have 5 years to prove yourself. FA has been around for much longer than that, meaning that, surprisingly, there's value in it.
Now, keep in mind that that's ONLY if FA is looking to be financially self-sufficient in the longrun. A similar business equation can be created for IMVU, with FurAffinity (F) as a possible expense, and New Users (N) as income. Traffic is compounded a bit, as FA is property of IMVU, and additional traffic into IMVU through FA (and vice-versa) does, in fact, stack.
IMVU has a successful business. FA didn't have a successful business model. Your three points are not backed, and instead assumed, as you do have a tendency to throw the words "most," "everyone," and "a lot" without understanding that your opinion is not opinion at large.
1) IMVU really doesn't need to disclose any details of the acquisition, nor does any other business. I highly doubt that you think too much about Facebook buying Oculus Rift, for instance, or Microsoft for buying Mojang.
2) SL is "better" in the sense that a curved blade is better than a straight blade. Each does something rather well, at the cost of something else. IMVU doesn't have the same level of user customization as SL, but it's great for people who don't want to have to knit-pick at everything. SL is terribly bloated and really doesn't run well on about any computer, leading to performance issues. IMVU has higher levels of traffic. SL doesn't mind so much about adult content, as long as it's in adult areas. There's a give-and-take between the two.
3) IMVU allows stolen art in the same way that Ebay allows people to sell stolen goods: they're middle-men. Agreeing to their TOS is a contract, and by submitting something you are responsibile for being honest about it. But, again, what about e621? Gelbooru? People post up pictures on Imgur that aren't theirs to distribute. Are these different in that respect?
Your logic is flawed. Your equation is lacking. And, to paraphrase you once more on this matter, you, yourself, say that a wall of text is little more than rhetoric and must be ignored, so, according to your train of thought, other people should ignore the post I am replying to. Straw man arguments, absurd and unfounded claims, hypocritical comments, ad hominems, plagiarism, clearly evident self-image of grandeur, very likely suffering from confirmation bias... Objectively speaking, you're not a trustworthy individual.
1) I already included the gains in the original equation, labeled as "profit", rendering your explanation about it obsolete. Also, what variables you add? You just mention some variables as V, but mention nothing about them. Smells like you just blindly copypasted it from somewhere else.
2) Maintinance is not the DDoS protection. It is included, but it also means a lot of things like paying the rent of the servers.
3) Lol, in their official statements they have said that they are hiring new coders, thus you ignoring them is stupid.
4) And the most important thing: you don't mention how they are going to make money to cover the costs and obtain profit without installing agresive measures like premium accounts. You sure mentioned a lot of pointless stuff, and you seemed like you were going to say in some moment something relevant, but you didn't, you did what you always do.
5) You account Investment as a positive value in the equation, when indeed it is a negative one since it represents spent money, not obtained money. You really are dumb don't you?
6) The rest is bla bla bla, so I'll respond you with bla bla bla. Also, Imvu doesn't owe us any information, but Dragoneer sure owes it to us after he swore transparency last time he fucked up things.
Oh and, if Imvu works better than SL according to you, why almost all my fellow furries in the comments of the past journals exclaimed in one way or other that Imvu's 3D chat is shit and SL is way way way better.
Also, in SL you can walk. Waaaaaalk.
1) You labeled it as "IMVU's Profit," as in "what they're skimming off the top." The equation is also woefully not-representative of the situation at hand, adding to the total that you claim Ad Revenue should meet. (Though, it should be "equal to or greater than." This is a point I should've brought up in my previous post.) "Variables" are just that, variables. I'm using it as a catch-all for other, potential costs or gains. Claiming I might have copy and pasted it doesn't make it true, either, but hearing such a statement that blindly C&P'd "$128,000" from a site without keeping its context (you called it a monthly salary, not a yearly salary, and also talked as if it were the mean salary of the programming field as a whole), I find your stance to be rather hypocritical.
2) You're literally saying what I said. Costs to run servers, DDoS protection, other forms of security... stable month-to-month costs that aren't part of personnel.
3) I'll double-check that myself, but you make lots of unfounded claims and operate on an awful lot of assumptions. Of course, a link would be nice, but you've historically been rather lacking on providing those, and in the instance you have it was incredibly lacking in use or function to further your point.
4) Ad revenue (A), Traffic (T), and Investment (I). Please read again. Premium accounts are not the worst concept in the world, and don't seem to impact how viable a site is, given by the continued existence of DeviantArt, Hell, there's even room in Weasyl's TOS to allow a paywall. But, I've seen your (exaggerated) claims of what FA is trying to do, and you've extrapolated things to the point of absurdity.
5) I explain what I consider as Investment. And ad hominem for attacking my character with the "dumb" comment, as opposed to leaving it unsaid.
6) I'm rather unsurprised that you failed to make most of the statements I anticipated (you, again, made an ad hominem by implying I'm of low intelligence), though I'd like to imagine you're slowly becoming aware of how predictable you are. A common clause in business acquisitions is limiting telling certain details pertaining to the acquisition. FA was his company. He doesn't owe us anything, considering he was operating it largely out of pocket. Also related to this rebuttal, you want FA to return to the way it was, in sole control of Dragoneer... whom you, again and again, have stated distaste for.
As for the "IMVU versus SL," it all boils down to a matter of preference. As for your findings, again, it's part confirmation bias (you tend to disregard anyone who says IMVU is fine as-is), and it's also a literal case of ignorance. You've put yourself in a bubble where most people agree with you, and when you leave the bubble you retain the assumption that there's this large, massive group of furries about to rise up again the site when, in reality... we're fine as long as the site keeps on pumping out smut.
And again, can you define "better?" I compared curved blades to straight blades earlier, for instance. Neither is outright "better." Curved blades tend to have increased cutting power due to more tangents resulting from said curve, and while excelling at cutting through flesh it falters when it comes to armor. Straight blades, meanwhile, were designed to deal more with armor. The use and deployment of the different blades corresponded with the geographical area, and what kind of tactics were employed. Areas that had light to no armor favored curved blades, and areas where heavier armor was employed used straight blades. SL and IMVU are still around, and both successful, but they draw in different crowds for different reasons, and appeal to different people. They excel in certain aspects, and falter in others.
And, for the record, I use neither. Haven't been impressed with either of them.
2 & 3) I have provided my links in the past but you just ignore them, just like in the previous point, you keep bringing up that "durr hurr coders don't make that much money" when I already demonstrated that the problem remains the same and I explained why.
4) Sorry babe, real artists here want to sell, and they will see their sells maimed the instant that Imvu starts taking money from users in whatever method. I explained this already but again, you just ignore that on purpose.
5) And? ANY INVESTMENT IS A NEGATIVE VALUE AS IT REPRESENTS SPENT MONEY, NOT EARNED MONEY You really must be an idiot to believe otherwise. And yes I insulted you, because you deserve it.
6) Nobody cares, Dragoneer didn't keep his promise, he just kept everything as shady as posible after swearing transparency to cover up his previous fuck ups.
Oh and since you think that Imvu vs SL is just a matter of preference let's check a few things:
1) In Imvu avatars look like creepy nekos. In SL, not.
2) In SL you can waaaaaaalk
3) In IMVU you can't have sex, indeed you can't even have an animation of kisses as someone stated earlier today
3.5) All things "murry and purry" are banned from Imvu's 3D chat. Maybe you live in a church, but normal furries do like to use SL just because of that feature
4) SL is cheaper
5) SL got what is considered "better graphics".
2) You provided one link, which did not provide any information. When I asked for why you put in to replicate your results, you refused to share. You're putting words in my mouth, as I have never said "coders don't make much money." The mean, nor median, wage of programmers is not $128,000, as you previously claimed. Your assumption, again, is simplistic, and doesn't take into account that IMVU as a whole can afford such a cost, and is expecting it.
3) Google started without having a product being sold, nor charging for its services. The search engine was completely free. It made quite a sum of money for providing a free service due to its traffic, which increased the value of its stock and encouraged people to invest into it, allowing it to grow. You're also assuming that IMVU will be unreasonably, detrimentally greedy, as opposed to offering what many sites do and locking advanced or additional features behind a paywall, which really isn't the end of the world nor a large impact upon an individual's available money. You, again, insinuate that it'll be required, and that it'll be a significant cost. You don't, however, seem opposed to the idea of donations, which while being equally optional, also have the same effect as you claim IMVU will eventually have on FA.
4) I gave you my operational definition of "Investment." If you're not happy with the term, then you should suggest another one. I suppose "Outsider Investment" would have been more appropriate. But, again, as I provide an operational definition of what "Investment" means in my equation (just like "Maintenance (M)" included server cost, DDoS protection, security, etc.), this really isn't a subject of debate. And, again, ad hominem. You're really good at these.
5) He has a right to privacy, as does IMVU. As do you and I. The level of transparency asked of FA is absurd when compared to other websites and companies. You ask for information, are given information, and seem to jump to the conclusion that it's either a lie or not the whole truth. Some people simply can't be satisfied with what's given to them. If you're unhappy, then I'm sorry, but over-reacting so soon with so little to go in is more akin to Y2K panic.
Some people seem to like the style of IMVU. There are plenty of shoddy-looking models and items on SL. You need to pay for a house, which is rather expensive. Walking is choppy, due to performance issues, and "better graphics" means little if it tanks even high-end computers due to its programming. "Cheaper" is possible, but it also depends on what people spend. One of my complaints with SL was its over-sexualized furry culture, with people being more interested in Yiffing. And, yes, you can have sex in SL... it's also clunky, needs a lot of adjusting, and can also slow things down as well. I've found it largely visually unappealing. Hell, trying to rent space on someone else's land lead to hearing about a Yiff clause, where I'd have to smut it up with my landlord.
So, again, give-and-take, along with difference in opinion. And, wouldn't any money spent on SL reduce the amount of money one could spend on art? Being a factor you often bring up, and considering how you resent the idea of any money leaving the potential pool of funds that could go to artists, I'm finding it hard to understand why you're advocating SL over IMVU in that regard.
2) Bla bla bla. Again, even if the coders earn 128k/2, the inequation remains the same. AND, I remember you pointing out that their wage was 77K, and I remember pointing out that that number is bigger than 128K/2 but oh true, you just ignore what is convenient for you.
3) Comparing Google to Imvu. LOL. What's next, you comparing yourself to Steve Jobs? Hahahaha
4) Whatever definition babe, ANY INVESTMENT REPRESENTS SPENT MONEY NO MATTER WHAT DEFINITION YOU GIVE TO IT.
5) If he does so, he should not have promised Transparency last time. By the way, he made TONS of transparency promises to cover up his fuck ups with a hacker admin and a suspected rapist admin.
6) "Some people" my ass. You just see the comments in the past 5 journals and you can see the vast majority of the comments saying that they won't get into Imvu, that they are installing Adblockplus to prevent their spammy ads, that they preffer SL because you can have adult content over there, because SL is cheaper, because Imvu is filled with 12 year olds, etc. Again, you ignore what is convenient to you ONCE AGAIN.
7) If you watched the site, you would notice there were artists ALREADY working and earning money from SL and NOT from Imvu's inferior and more expensive service.
2) Median wage was in the $77k range. Again, lacking concrete proof that IMVU is doing more than allowing FA access to currently-existing resources, we can sit here and argue wage, but the number of new coders is currently up in the air. If you'd like to provide proof, feel free to be my guest, but I'll do my due diligence and keep poking around.
3) First off, straw man: I didn't compare the two, but you're stating I did. I merely provided an example of a site that boomed entirely off of web traffic alone.
4) Go by the operational definition. Also, you're implying that people outside of IMVU can't invest into the compant, which would net a gain for the company... Which is literally one of the points of my operational definition. Also, here's a link to the definition of Operational Definition.
5) Lack of transparency is a personal qualm, not an issue at large. And, again, it was Dragoneer's site, he's able to include whomever he wishes, even if it might be a bad idea or PR issue.
6) I wasn't aware that there were 5 website updates regarding IMVU. Again, what you are referring to could be a vocal minority, giving the illusion of a large group only because the majority of individuals don't care to comment. If you look through the past few journals, you'll also see people reporting positive experiences, and saying they like it. I'm not one to judge in either case. "Cheaper" is a bit of a misnomer as, again, it all depends on how much you're willing to spend, and what you want to do. Do you want a house? Premium membership, then you need to rent land, then you need to buy all the items and hope that your objects aren't heavy on prims. Spammy ads? I haven't seen a real increase in the number of ads on the site, and only occasionally do I see one regarding IMVU. They're really not obtrusive, so I see no reason to install an ad blocker. Now, again, this entire factor boils down to personal opinion. You can dislike IMVU, really. I simply dislike both. And don't talk about ignoring what's convenient to you. Continuing to ignore an operational definition and choosing to bicker about the term chosen is ignoring the point because it's convenient to your argument.
7) Some do, yes, but IMVU is a bigger service. Furries are, also, niche markets on both services. If you can make money with SL, you can make money with IMVU, which goes back to a post I made early on saying that conversion rate is about 30% earned compared to the cost to buy the IMVU currency. So, possible and viable. I'm not arguing that people can't make nice money off of SL, either, but there are costs involved which do cut into the profits. Renting space to set up a stall, for instance, finding a good location, time investment into the product. SL's good with allowing creation, certainly, but there's also competition, and prime real estate isn't easy to find.
2) Bla bla bla the same shit. Guess what, I let you reduce the wages to $10,000 and the inequation remains the same. Such is your idiocy to not notice that.
3) No, your comparision was stupid and out of place. Comparing one of the biggest companies of all times to Imvu is like comparing yourself to Einstein.
4) Sounds like a poorly made excuse.
5) If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't lie. Dragoneer lied when he promised transparency and gave none.
6) And still, the vas majority of the people have from slightly negative to totally negative reactions towards Imvu in all the previous journals, and what is even funnier, they only seemed to get angrier from the first to the last journal. I don't care about your bla bla bla.
7) Except tht Imvu is shittier due to ALL the reasons I have already listed, those very same reasons that people gave during the journals. In SL avatars look better, you can do adult stuff with them, you can walk, etc. Yes, it costs sometimes, but a lot of people have stated that it's less expensive than Imvu. I was in SL once and had access to a lot of adult stuff in my SL account without having to pay an adult pass and any cent at all.
Just stop it =/ you were talking so well the other day with me
now your typing like a special kid on a rage secession
No new points this week?
The same argument points, your rants are getting boring. Your just loving the attention tho x3
Go and drink your milk, baby.
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I genuinely feel embarrassed for you and it really irks me that you don't comprehend it.
As simple as that kid. But since you are too butthurt by what I say, you will still attempt to find rhetoric ways to make absurd comebacks again and again.
also imvu probably screens out rapists during the application process
These off topic posts you're writing here are really perpetuating the furry drama stereotype.
Apparently you like it. Well, not everyone are masochists like you.
Rhetoric: You're appealing to emotion as opposed to logic.
According to Imvu and Dragoneer, Imvu is going to stay "hands-off" the site and thus they are not going to install premium accounts or other measures. They say, their benefit from this acquisition (and the month to month costs it implies) will come from two sources: Ad revenue and new users getting into Imvu.
Lets arrange this as the following:
A= ad revenue
B= site's maintenance costs
C= Dragoneer's wage as new employee
D= the cost of the coders Imvu claims will bring
E= the cost of the site's acquisition
F= profit for th company
For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs, thus we have:
A<B
According to Imvu, the very same money that was not enough to cover costs, now is going to be able to cover them and cover all the other costs:
"A= B+C+D+E+F"
BUT, since A<B, then the correct statement is:
A=/= B+C+D+E+F
They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Will this new value "X" be enough to turn the inequation into an equation such that A+X= B+C+D+E+F?
Given 1, 2 and 3, again, this is quite unlikely to happen. Thus Imvu will have to find other ways to obtain income from FA... said new measures however, will inevitably damage the community's acuisitive power, and both users and artists will feel the blow when Imvu starts installing measures to squeeze money from us.
As previously demonstrated, what they claim will be their only benefits is not enough to cover costs and generate profit, thus, they are either lying or they are just willing to play charity.
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Sorry about that."
The new UI is needed but without solid code backing it up it's just a new coat of paint on a poorly built dilapidated house.
When you are in Scraps, and you click "next page" it goes to the next page of the Gallery, not the scraps.
I thought you should be aware C:
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Things actually fixed in this beta that I am sure is not because of IMVU and is a load of hogwash to placate the masses? Comment stacking. Wow good job, 10 years to fix one thing. I'm a professional procrastinator, but damn.
Random "FA needs to be run by furries, not by greedy corporations" comment appears
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Really? STILL talking about it? Even in journals that have nothing to do with it?
Here are my thoughts so far on what needs to be addressed:
-The featured submission needs to be brought back yesterday!. This is very important for me. I use featured submission to showcase my best artwork I have. Many of my commissions vary in style and complexity but being able to put my best work up on my featured art section really shows what I can do as an artist quicker than anything else.
-Can we please get gallery folders?
-The text font is way too large.
-Gallery folders, please.
-Too much space in between the submission thumbnails.
-Favorites need to be brought back to the front page.
-Again, gallery folders.
I'm one of the minority (maybe it's because I'm an artist) that doesn't care if the profile info is no longer on the top. I can take it or leave it.
Aside from that, it's progress and I can't complain. However, I will be extremely butt angry if the Featured Submission never comes back.
here's some ideas to improve the new UI
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6636858/
But more modern.
Well, i will be waiting for the final version =)
Also, don't depend on floats so much, they cover up other things.
Having the comments, watches, etc. be linkable doesn't do much when the user still has to scroll to those sections.
On the topic of scrolling, it suffers a lot more scrolling than reasonable.
To. Shut. UP.
If you actually go and LOOK at FA and Weasly SIDE BY SIDE,(which Im doing RIGHT NOW) you'll see that there is BARELY anything alike between the two. MAYBE a color here or there, and MAYBE a shape here or there, but over-all, THEY ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Seriously, ALL I here is, "oh mah gawd, FA ish too mush liek Weasly noa, Ima gonna leaf cause Ima winny lil baby that dun liek changs, waaaaaa"
Please stop and leave already. Nobody will miss you if you leave. GOODBYE.
I for one, actually LIKE the new look. YES, it needs a LOT of work. BUT, remember folks, ITS STILL IN BETA!!! Things in beta are USUALLY gonna be buggy, iffy, and overall needing a lot of work, but so far, it looks quite promising. AND, if you truly dont like it, switch back to the current version and kindly stfu, please and thank you.
Good job FA. You may have screwed up in the past, but Im glad to see you actually trying to do better. Keep it up and Im sure those winny babies will kindly go away. :)
There is MAYBE a very VAGUE resemblance to Weasly, but I don't need glasses to see how far apart they are.
I could understand how maybe FA took some inspiration from Weasly, but I just....don't see it at all. 8/
there just peoples view points~ no need to get all up in a tiff~~~~~~
And yes there is some weasely things in here
along with a bit of other websites in the mix
They just took with what worked and looked appealing.
Alot of websites have a Facebook layout, because well thats what people are on 90% of the time
so its ok
just...calm down x3
I do apologize for that really. Im usually a lot better than that. ;n;
I was going to come back and say something but I couldn't find my comment again...O.o; But thanks tho! Now I can apologize to that guy for snapping >u<
I was just wondering why so blunt haha x3
Is this the beginning of the end for FurAffinity as a (relativetly) serious yet deligtfully minimalist website for furry artists of all the sorts? I'm not gonna bring out the doomsday signs, but things like this usually does not bode well.
I do hope you at least give the option to use the current UI at all times (with the dark theme of course), otherwise i have no reason (except for the fact that FA has aways been my by far most active website) to use FA anymore.
These are actually the only two reasons i still use FA.
inb4 fanboys crying and claiming that im crying, "go to Weasyl then"-bullshit and just plain insults. Not saying it will for sure happen, but i'm making the prediction that it will.
Because they didn't improve it at all. They just picked the half done things they already did in Phoenix and posted it as if it was something new. Of course, Phoenix was never finished, hence why this is broken, incomplete and buggy.
I know youβve gotten mountains of feedback from the FA community in recent days now that the sale to IMVU was publicly revealed. Many people have voiced legitimate concerns about this acquisition because they care about their community. Yet among the thousands of comments and opinions, you specifically reached out to me on Saturday with a very personal statement. I wanted to discuss it with you in private but you didnβt respond back. So instead of continuing my public expression, I took the last two weeks to try to calm my emotions and think rationally. However, with the numerous announcements, clarifications, and Q&As issued in the wake of the acquisition, my feelings about this deal have only solidified.
Iβve been part of the fandom for over half my living life with nine of those years on FA, growing into the fandom as the fandom grew into me. Through ups and downs, glitches and storms, Iβve been distinctly mute on any criticism on you or FA because I recognized that you and the volunteer staff had exceptionally difficult tasks. Despite the unfulfilled promises and errors in judgment, I stayed quiet. But do not mistake my silence as forgiveness or implicit agreement with your decisions in the past. And now, with the acquisition by IMVU, everything has changed.
On Saturday, I tweeted that the sale of FA was βa spectacular failure of due diligence and disclosureβ by you and IMVU. These words were not plucked from the air but picked with purpose and intent. It is in these words that you directly expressed disappointment that I did not contact you first and privately. However, the irony is deep: two years ago, I gave you everything I had on DMK in the hopes that you would take action behind the scenes to get rid of a leeching pest from our community; instead, nothing happened for over a month and I was forced to release my findings publicly. If you didnβt act on matters of fact despite my credibility and reputation being on the line, then I had no reason to believe that contacting you on matters of opinion would result in a different outcome.
Fundamentally, I didnβt contact you because you are no longer a furry protecting furry interests anymore. You and FA are now corporate entities who answer to stakeholders with financial interests, not the community for our well-being, and I have no qualms about voicing my opinion publicly on an entity whose goal is to monetize people for profit. I have stayed quiet in the past because we could rely on you having our best interests at heart, but donβt expect the benefit of my doubt or silence now that you and FA are part of the corporate chain and system.
That corporate system is at the heart of this discontent. Furry was the one last vestige where a fandom is truly free from corporate influence: Star Trek belongs to Paramount, Star Wars belongs to Disney, even MLP belongs to Hasbro. The Wikipedia entry for βFandomβ lists over a dozen notable ones, of which furry is the only one that is not derived from someone elseβs ideas or creation. Furry has thrived on independence and creativity as we built ourselves, almost exclusively free from external influence. Although no entity can ever own our community, you alone sold our most populous platform not only to an outside corporation, but to one whose association with furry is so non-existent that their outlook for a #furrific union instantly became a universal point of derision on Twitter.
Such is the chasm between IMVU and Furaffinity, as stark as the difference between the fandomβs creative design in anthropomorphism versus the sculpturing of stereotypical Southern Californian fashion models. To make things worse, you hid the acquisition from the community for two months, miring this acquisition in public distrust and suspicion. Despite how many times you repeat it, I will never lend credence to your claim that IMVU acquired FA just for ad space and to βgrow the community,β especially given how you and ownership were still and continue to be woefully unprepared for the communityβs questions and concerns. What remaining shreds of your credibility have been strewn across eight journals about this deal, each of which only regurgitates the same non-answers that spawns further confusion and concern.
What is most damning, though, is that despite having two months to put together a comprehensible rollout plan, the community had to find out for ourselves that the very entity that acquired FA is profiting off our intellectual property! Talk about adding insult to injury! People know that IMVU corporate is not stealing, but it is the failure of due diligence to identify that FA was being sold to an enabler of theft who has already reaped unquestionable profits with highly questionable methods. You and IMVU then insisted that artists must and can only go through the DMCA process to remove copyright material, squandering a prime opportunity to create and build rapport and trust with the community. Even worse, there is still no resolution to how our community can monitor the rampant violations in IMVUβs pay-only adult section. In a business transaction supposedly to create synergy, youβve created none, and from the get-go, itβs clear that you and IMVU wanted our trust on a silver platter when you neither earned nor deserve any.
Iβve kept my opinions strictly on the acquisition itself so far and have refrained from speculating on the future impact of IMVUβs ownership. That said, I believe the process to turn FA from a creative community to a corporate commodity has already begun: you and IMVU are so eager to convince us of this acquisition by touting about how many active accounts are on each site and how its traffic ranks, yet you canβt even quantify your assertion of just how βmany furriesβ share the two communities. Furthermore, IMVUβs repeated intention to stay hands-off but only change advertising is the most direct reflection of FA as a financial and commercial commodity. It will be a matter of time of when, not if, the foundation of the website dissolves and the ugly heads of monetization will rear on FA.
At the end of the day, regardless of how much you want to sugarcoat your rhetoric, the future of FA as the largest online furry website in the world belongs to IMVU and not the community that built it, of which you were once a part. You owned FA and had every right to do whatever you wanted, but that doesnβt absolve you from criticism from a community whoβs just as invested as you, especially if you nixed consideration of keeping this website within the fandom purely based on whether or not you would maintain control. Now, youβve become merely a figurehead for IMVU, despite what you or ownership want us to believe. Itβs a matter of when, not if, your tenure with IMVU ends and responsibility this website gets passed off to someone else whoβs possibly as clueless about our community and fandom as their social media team. I can only wonder if youβll sign another NDA to leave the community to fend for ourselves for months on end when this eventually happens.
For years, the community could always count on you to have our best interests in mind, but now, we face a future of corporate ownership whoβs demonstrated interests are not so much creativity itself but the commercialism derived from that creativity. In the end, you spurned numerous efforts to keep the worldβs largest furry community within the fandom, instead ironically selling to a company whose ad-stricken freemium service hosts users who had already been stealing and profiting off of our very community for years. Despite having two months of preparation, you absolutely failed to anticipate or prepare for the communityβs skepticism of the acquisition and remain utterly inept in addressing those concerns. The community is not bound to a website and can always move, but it should have never come to this if not for years of mismanagement, ultimately leading to this unceremonious and bastardized transaction to sell out to a bidder whose motives for our fandom lives on corporate balance sheets and not the hearts and minds of our community.
Note: This letter was provided to Dragoneer a day beforehand for review. The recipient declined to comment.
It was written by
Really, not tying this into the whole FA-IMVU thing here, that's citing resources 101. Bibliography. High school at the latest. Being "obvious" that it wasn't your own words doesn't excuse plagiarism. For all intents and purposes, you're claiming someone else's words as your own. Quote that. Link the source. Credit the author.
Very basic stuff.
Cite your sources. Proper credit. You bemoan people profiting off of art that isn't theirs, which IS a bad thing and SHOULDN'T happen, but here you are not crediting someone else's text word-for-word.
That letter is an open letter the author - November - posted in Twitter with a permalink in googledocs so everyone could see and share it.
You fail at trolling.
Plagiarism is a serious concern in general. But you didn't link to it. You didn't quote it, which indicates that they aren't your words. You didn't cite it. You didn't credit it initially. You literally took claim of words that weren't your own. I can find Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s I Am a Dream speech and post it somewhere, but just because it's publicly available doesn't mean I don't have to source, cite, and credit the words.
You fail at trolling, and that is a fact, not an ad hominem.
Fact: Ad hominem is attacking a person's character. Slander (or libel, its written form) would be spreading untruthful statements about someone.
Fact: Allowing it to be shared doesn't mean you shouldn't source it or cite it. Proper writing etiquette.
Please try harder.
"B-but all the bad things you say about me are ad hominems". Not really, you AUTHENTICALLY don't understand simple math, you authentically are ignorant and you authentically fail at trolling.
Libel and ad hominem, good sir, as I do know math, I'm clearly not ignorant, nor am I trolling, but you are, again, making claims against my character as such. If you're going to make a claim, back it up. I've cited you multiple times. I've pointed out your direct quotes and have broken down your points time and time again. I've applied your own logic to your own points, and you have literally shot down your own logic before. You always move on, making a couple of jabs and not responding to other points. You've refused to read a response because it was too long. You don't defend your points, you stomp your feet and insist you're right, waving around your "facts" like McCarthy touted his list of known communists.
And, again, for someone so concerned if someone is resorting to rhetoric, your lack of evidences and statistics that you claim are most important are severely lacking in your responses in general.
Seriously, you can write me a whole book, post it here, and still you won't be able to change facts.
Seriously, you never finished elementary school don't you?
Ad hominem: personal attack by trying to make me look uneducated.
In the past, adspace was never enough to keep the site going.
Now, Imvu pretends to make us believe that THE SAME money will keep the site afloat, pay Dragoneer's wage, the coder's wage and generate profit.
But this is a deja vu. I already told you like ten times that even if you reduce all the wages by 50% the adspace money is still not enough. I told that several times. (and, just because I know you can't do math, 77,550 is more than the half of 128,000).
This is why I don't take you seriously and don't even bother myself anymore to even read what you post.
GET OVER IT! EVERYONE IS TIRED OVER THE WHINING! REALITY SUCKS, I KNOW REALITY SUCK BUT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH REALITY! SO STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE AND DEAL WITH IT!
You like being abused? Ok, fine, but I am not sado like you,
You aren't representing the artists opinions that I recognise as ones who built the site up.
To be perfectly fair, you don't understand what is coming on because you don't know the facts. You have failed repeatedly to show reasonable facts to support your hyperbole and what could be considered, stereotypical furry drama behaviour that makes us all look worse for it.
Simple math kid. A ton of rhetoric can't do shit against logic.
You're making assumptions about my intent behind that, yet again you are reinforcing my previous points on the previous journal regarding your hyperbole, assumptions and so on.
> expect more 4Shit arguments to be posted through his account!
If that's your best argument to disregard what I have stated and will state, it's clear that you don't really have a leg to stand on at all.
For the record, I am not a user of Magic-rena's "edgy" 4chan site.
Nope.
> out of a tragedy
A tragedy is a three year old getting hit by a car, we are not at that level. Your ridiculous hyperbole is immense.
> so you are also self-trolling youserlf
I quite frankly don't know how to respond to such hyperbole and claims you're making in a way that would even resonate with you.
It wasn't an analogy. It was an example of the use of the word. Your use of emotive arguments by using words that are more dire than the reality do not sway me. They only call into question the ethics of someone that insists on using hyperbole to make their arguments sound.
> Today, what is at stake is the economic model of the very people who made this place a hole with excessively high quality art.
This is leading me to go down the fallacy of relative privation, which I'm not interested in pursuing.
Rather than doing that, I will use your favourite website for definitions and point out that your claims do match the definition.
https://imgur.com/rXmjYNR
I concur.
Now, were you ACTUALLY intelligent, you wouldn't feel the need to sit up on your soapbox with your nose in the air, decrying every process of debate you know. You'd just get on and discuss things like an intelligent adult. But, no, we have to use big words to make yourself appear smarter within a community that really, honestly, doesn't give a shit.
Oh, and don't ever assume anything in a discussion. Makes you look like an ass
If you'd like to add any more critique as to my logic, I do welcome it. However, implying snobbishness, immaturity, and claiming I lack intelligence aren't critique of the argument so much as potshots at myself, all unfounded and, as luck would have it, ad hominems. You might not like "fancy words," but they do save an awful lot of space.
You know, for somebody who says they like to 'save space' in their arguments, you do tend to go the florid, verbose way about it. So I'll re-iterate:
Using fancy words you learned on the Internet to show off doesn't make you look any smarter. And yes, those are potshots at you personally because, let's be honest here: who likes to debate with an insufferable, hypocritical arsehole and self-styled smart twat?
Insufferable? Perhaps, though that's a matter of opinion. I found Magic-Rena quite intolerable with his flawed logic, points, making the same personal attacks against people repeatedly, failing to back up what he claimed to be "facts." I'm not trying to look smarter, any more than using the word "insufferable" makes you look more intelligent. If you have a problem with the logic I've used, then by all means feel free to bring up your points. In particular, you bring up "hypocrit," so I am legitimately curious about your thoughts on that, and would be interested in seeing you expand on it. But considering you entered this fray trying to provoke me with the same comments that Magic-Rena has been using, failing to proke at my arguments and, instead, responding with potshots, I'm forced to draw the conclusion that you're on a soapbox, being a bit of a pompous ass, and I can, unlike you have thus far, point out hypocritsy in your own posts.
Mature, intelligent discussion, you say? I've offered you the chance to bring one here, and it's been for naught. I explain my assumption that you took issue with, and not a word from you on the matter. Or how about the fact that you, again, make cheap pot shots ("ad hominems") to try and prove something rather pointless? A community that doesn't care? Some people are upset. Some of those people decided to proclaim "the end is nigh." Some other people decided that was a bit too extreme, and voiced their critique on those claims. And, as you show, some other people decide those people have gone too far, and decide to comment while bringing nothing to the table. Bravo. Broken record? You literally restated, with some minor edits, what you said in your first post, as if I didn't already understand and respond to them, and only added one new point for me to respond to, which was little more than taking something I said, either coming to a false conclusion or twisting it into something similar but incorrect, and using it as a personal attack once more.
TL;DR: If it's your opinion that I'm a pompous ass, then power to you. However, I'm finding you to be the hypocrite here, bemoaning the lack of a mature, intelligent discussion while making sophomoric remarks and contributing nothing to the discussion/debate/argument.
u mad bro?
unless you went and personally asked everyone on FA, don't speak for everyone.
Now don't be saying for everyone here, because, for instance, I did not.
I wouldn't know how to respond to so much hyperbole either.
Still attempting to greentext I see.
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I'm using the style that is common on traditional BBSes, Fidonet, Usenet, e-mail etc.
More in depth information available at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_quoting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
It's fairly common.
Another perfect example of how you are unable to even consider the possibility you might be wrong in some way about someone or something you know little to nothing when presented with some factual information.
You've made so many arguments using emotive arguments, assumptions, red herrings and straw man responses. The only 'proposition' response I genuinely recall was you telling me to go to your 'edgy' 4chan website. But, I could be in the wrong, there might be a needle in the haystack.
If A was not enough to B, then A will not be enough to (B+C/2+D)
Because you have stated that you won the argument by demonstrating that the expected wage from coders is smaller. Well, even if it is just a half, the proposition remains unchanged.
Im waiting baby!
I said 'oh dear' because you again have made numerous assumptions and determined them to be undeniable truths. The assumption on profit made, the assumption on good will, the assumption on for profit, the assumption of cost through common staff, the assumption on costs through shared common infrastructure etc. There are so many variables that are also, unknowns.
According to Imvu and Dragoneer, Imvu is going to stay "hands-off" the site and thus they are not going to install premium accounts or other measures. They say, their benefit from this acquisition (and the month to month costs it implies) will come from two sources: Ad revenue and new users getting into Imvu.
Lets arrange this as the following:
A= ad revenue
B= site's maintenance costs
C= Dragoneer's wage as new employee
D= the cost of the coders Imvu claims will bring
E= the cost of the site's acquisition
F= profit for th company
For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs, thus we have:
A<B
According to Imvu, the very same money that was not enough to cover costs, now is going to be able to cover them and cover all the other costs:
"A= B+C+D+E+F"
BUT, since A<B, then the correct statement is:
A=/= B+C+D+E+F
They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Will this new value "X" be enough to turn the inequation into an equation such that A+X= B+C+D+E+F?
Given 1, 2 and 3, again, this is quite unlikely to happen. Thus Imvu will have to find other ways to obtain income from FA... said new measures however, will inevitably damage the community's acuisitive power, and both users and artists will feel the blow when Imvu starts installing measures to squeeze money from us.
As previously demonstrated, what they claim will be their only benefits is not enough to cover costs and generate profit, thus, they are either lying or they are just willing to play charity.
It's also unknown how many resources themselves will be shared that will reduce cost as well.
> For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs
But with consolidated resources, that can be a completely different story. I think of my own firm I work for, in which case, it could easily handle hosting in such a way that the impact to the business is close to nil. Additionally in my company, there are already set budgets for advertising (among other things), and even if the costs were not subsidized, it could be easily pushed into the existing advertising budget without a visible profit return from it. 'Balance sheet' wise, it wouldn't show up as a money drain.
Revenue in the terms of IMVU would also consist of paid features in IMVU from people using IMVU as well, I would imagine?
Of course, there is the following assumption you've made that the only thing here is revenue and not mind share or good will.
> They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers.
It's annecodtal, but I did have a bunch of furfriends try out IMVU for the first time recently because they heard of it.
> the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative
I'm pretty sure you've based that off an assumption, I really don't see nearly enough unique accounts posting to represent for "the majority of the furry community". I would argue that most of "the furry community" are unaware of IMVU, even.
> 1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
This is a long running theme of FA. I don't think that it actually has much of an affect as idealists would like.
> 3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
I've already invalidated this point in other comments. You don't have to have "AP", because you don't have to check as a 1st party to send a DMCA. The exact same process for other American sites. You don't need a lawyer to send a DMCA letter either.
Regardless, there are numerous unknowns, unconsidered variables and no previous data is capable of predicting the current situation when we don't know what the current situation is.
Do ho ho ho. First you accuse me of making up things, and now you are making up hidden and mysterious resources.
"But with consolidated resources, that can be a completely different story. I think of my own firm I work for, in which case, it could easily handle hosting in such a way that the impact to the business is close to nil. Additionally in my company, there are already set budgets for advertising (among other things), and even if the costs were not subsidized, it could be easily pushed into the existing advertising budget without a visible profit return from it. 'Balance sheet' wise, it wouldn't show up as a money drain".
You talk about reducing the costs in more mysterious ways. Stop making up things Ashie.
"It's annecodtal, but I did have a bunch of furfriends try out IMVU for the first time recently because they heard of it."
Oh Ashie, anecdotes mean nothing. I'll talk you about statistics. Check the comments in the last 5 Fender journals. Measure the amount of positive comments v.s. negative comments per individual towards Imvu. It's more than obvious that the majority of us either dislike or even hate Imvu. And people won't start paying to a site they hate from the beggining, specially because SL.
"I've already invalidated this point in other comments. You don't have to have "AP", because you don't have to check as a 1st party to send a DMCA. The exact same process for other American sites. You don't need a lawyer to send a DMCA letter either."
Tell that to the many artists like
"Regardless, there are numerous unknowns, unconsidered variables and no previous data is capable of predicting the current situation when we don't know what the current situation is."
In other words you don't know a shit and yet you are bitching at me for not believing Imvu's words as if they were God's law.
No, I pointed out an unknown. That answer could be zero.
> You talk about reducing the costs in more mysterious ways.
It's not mysterious, it's part of a budget put aside in my example. Said budget does not need to concretely translate into sales. In my experience (and I am working with different companies on average every three to six months), this is quite common.
My point, which seems to have evaded you is that there are many unknown variables that could be at play.
> anecdotes mean nothing
Anecdotes are useful, but they aren't conclusive to represent statistics. They do however offer insight for certain perspectives which is what you are ignoring.
> Tell that to the many artists like
Hi,
> In other words you don't know a shit and yet you are bitching at me for not believing Imvu's words as if they were God's law.
I don't particularly believe Dragoneer or IMVU but I don't particularly disbelieve them either (this also means that transparency wouldn't weigh in or out as to my belief on the matter). I am actually neutral because I haven't seen negative or positive evidence yet of any significant changes that would genuinely effect the current community or site either way. You however are automatically assuming the worst with little to no knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes. Unfortunately, many of your posts are written in such an emotive language with little backing, that you just reinforce the whole furry drama stereotype which really does nothing for your case and furthers stereotypes in our community.
2) If it's not mysterious, explain it mr Budgets
3) Statistics>anecdotes
4) Thanks for mocking Tartii, it shows up your maturity.
5) You use the unknown a lot, and sometimes you use it as a pathetic attempt to invalidate what I say. Because, if you actually read what I write, you would notice that I am not making any assumption at all besides the one being that Imvu doesn't plan to starve.
Not really sure how I should respond. I pointed out some unknown variables that can influence the formula you had written and identified that neither you or myself know the answer.
> 2) If it's not mysterious, explain it mr Budgets
You have a set budget for your department, you fit something into that budget for your department, nobody cares.
> 3) Statistics>anecdotes
Sure, but I don't have any statistics that mean anything and neither do you.
> 4) Thanks for mocking Tartii, it shows up your maturity.
I'm not mocking, you were calling me out for this person, so I made a genuine offer to this person. Feel free to get them in touch with me and my offer will still stand.
> 5) You use the unknown a lot
I've identified areas you have not considered at all.
> sometimes you use it as a pathetic attempt to invalidate what I say
Not particularly 'sometimes', you genuinely do not know. You have not offered any reasonable doubt that shows that you do know. It's simple logic, if you do not know the facts, you cannot make an accurate assessment. At best, it's a guess, however you are claiming absolute truths in your arguments, hence hyperbole.
> besides the one being that Imvu doesn't plan to starve.
If IMVU is generating an overall profit from their businesses, they aren't starving.
Because it's a BETA! And yes, this IS what project phoenix was. They are not saying it's new. People wanted to see how Project phoenix was going, so here you have it. Looks similar to Project phoenix because that is how they called this beta when they started
"Of course, Phoenix was never finished, hence why this is broken, incomplete and buggy"
Erm... a Beta IS buggy and incomplete. Hence why it's called a Beta. A BETA is not the FINISHED PRODUCT. Is it THAT hard to understand?
Almost a complete rip-off of the Weasyl site layout, but even more fucked-up and broken-looking. :/
Still, my point remains the same: this "beta FA" is nothing but the never finished Project Phoenix.
They call it "BETA FA" now because, just like EVERY VIDEO GAME, WEBSITE, AND PROGRAM OUT THERE, they ALL follow certain stages of development. Mostly, "pre-alpha", then "Alpha" Then depending on how much work is involved, "closed beta" where only a handful of people get access for testing purposes, then they move to "Open Beta", where FA is currently.
Take the game World of War Ships for example. Its currently still Closed Beta, but the people who are testing it STILL are reporting bugs. Soon it will move into Open Beta, where anyone can join in if they wish.
This is what FA is doing. They have done enough work on the new layout that now, they want more people to give their input so they have moved the project into an "open beta".
And lastly, get over yourself. If you hate FA so much, THEN LEAVE. People like you who spew their hatred over little things LIKE AN F-ING BETA TEST, and some company buying FA so they can actually DO SOMETHING now that they have money, are the kind of people who put a very sour image on this fandom. No one needs your negativity and your BS floating about.
Please kindly leave if you hate this so much, your only embarrassing yourself. I'm sure the number of other sites will welcome your BS and boo-hooing with open arms.
They make funny noises if you poke 'em enough. 83
... But I do agree with your statement.
What I said was that this Beta FA is most likely Project Phoenix now in Beta version. The project Phoenix your thinking of from back then was probably the Concept/Alpha version of what we're seeing now. Why did it take so long? I dont know, maybe because they had to update the servers, then we had those DDOS attacks, then FA had to do a lot of work to make the servers more stable for this new Beta version.(albeit, they still need a lot of work)
Im also really not sure where you got the idea that is something NEW. Dragoneer NEVER said this was a new project that has nothing to do with Project Phoenix. Your just ASSUMING it is. I've played and participated in enough Alpha and Beta versions of games to know this is most likely Project Phoenix moved into the Beta version.
But more importantly, all the comments Im seeing from you are hate filled anti-FA shite. Really, if you hate the site THAT much, you can go to the NUMBER of other sites and have fun there, away from the people who are actually WELCOMING this new layout, and want to see FA update its old and out-dated look and feel.
Im not saying FA has made the best choices over the years, but it finally seems like they are trying to change. The problem however, is people like you ONLY have bad, ugly, hateful things to say, and are ruining all this much needed change for everyone.
Thankfully, I think the admins of FA are still going to go through with this change. They are going to improve it and make it better, and if you dont like it, you can kindly leave because no-one likes your ugly attitude towards it. :)
And, if you DONT want to leave, then please kindly refrain from posting such hateful comments anymore. Its quite tiresome and you'll only succeed in embarrassing yourself further.
I hope you have a wonderful day. :)
.....and you mean to tell me this is a BAD thing?? You sir, MUST be either joking or rather high off of something, and it aint the good stuff either lol
Honestly, from reading all of your comments, it seems like you'd rather stay with a broken and outdated site, then update to a new look and with better functionality to come soon.....
I think you probably need to get your priorities straight because you seem to not at all understand whats going on here. Dragoneer now has a boss. He now has a fire lit under him to get this work done. He now has the funds to get said work done, and we are now seeing the benefits of ALL of that.
Yes, I know the base functionality hasn't changed yet, but its coming. I for one, have actually seen an increase in performance already. Albeit small, but its there.
Honestly, in the end, the only thing all of this proves is that FA is finally able to improve itself to keep up with times. All of your nit-picking and boo-hooing only serves to further the fact that some people just cant handle change at all.
Suck it up butter cup, because the world is ALWAYS changing. You dont like it? Then gtfo please and thank you. :)
According to Imvu and Dragoneer, Imvu is going to stay "hands-off" the site and thus they are not going to install premium accounts or other measures. They say, their benefit from this acquisition (and the month to month costs it implies) will come from two sources: Ad revenue and new users getting into Imvu.
Lets arrange this as the following:
A= ad revenue
B= site's maintenance costs
C= Dragoneer's wage as new employee
D= the cost of the coders Imvu claims will bring
E= the cost of the site's acquisition
F= profit for th company
For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs, thus we have:
A<B
According to Imvu, the very same money that was not enough to cover costs, now is going to be able to cover them and cover all the other costs:
"A= B+C+D+E+F"
BUT, since A<B, then the correct statement is:
A=/= B+C+D+E+F
They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Will this new value "X" be enough to turn the inequation into an equation such that A+X= B+C+D+E+F?
Given 1, 2 and 3, again, this is quite unlikely to happen. Thus Imvu will have to find other ways to obtain income from FA... said new measures however, will inevitably damage the community's acuisitive power, and both users and artists will feel the blow when Imvu starts installing measures to squeeze money from us.
As previously demonstrated, what they claim will be their only benefits is not enough to cover costs and generate profit, thus, they are either lying or they are just willing to play charity.
Anyway, to start this off...
"having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that"
Since when did you need a lawyer to fill out a DMCA?? Lol, this made me giggle I'll admit. You DO NOT need a lawyer to fill out a DMCA. And where ever you got that idea is absurdly wrong.
Also... "Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition"
What lack are you talking about? It was a business deal. You NEVER disclose that kind of info to the general public until BOTH parties agree its time to do so. For all we know, Dragoneer probably wanted to say something, but was under contract by IMVU to hold off until they gave the green light. Thats how business works. There was no "lack of transparency in FA's acquisition".
I honest to god want to know where you are getting all of this info because I have not seen any TRUE PROVEN facts in ANY of your comments, other than the fact that SL is cheaper and better. (not gonna argue that point)
Now, if you, SOMEHOW, had access to all of IMVU's and FA's financial records, and even if you didn't, you'd see that IMVU is most likely NOT paying the same as all the other ads on here. I for one have noticed that IMVU's ads have shown up for longer and a little more frequently than all the other ads. IMVU pays for that extra time. Hence the extra income. It could also be generating more page views for IMVU, which means it gets higher ratings and better stocks. But you dont have access to that info, so you are most likely wrong in that regard. And the fact that IMVU will be bringing new coders into the mix will cost more...how do you know tha IMVU wont just send their own coders over? The ones they ALREADY pay for? No extra cost there if they were already paying them. You also seem to think that Dragoneer will be getting payed the same, or MORE of what he was already making. He COULD be getting payed less as part of the deal now.
Also, stop speaking for the entire FA user base like you know what they're doing. For all you know, those ads could be generating much more traffic than you choose to realize.
The fact of the matter is, you prove time and again that you dont have actual physical proof of ANY of this, and it makes it look like your pulling it out of your a**. There are plenty of different ways IMVU could be profiting from buying FA. You only choose to focus on ONE of them, and thats never a good idea when trying to pass judgment. I have learned from past experience that you NEVER EVER pass judgment or ASSUME something, with out first having plenty of info, and have looked at it in other points of view. Something which you are doing right now.
And to end this argument here and now, Dragoneer has ALREADY stated, as well as IMVU, that they will stay hands off. I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT they would go against that now that they say it so bluntly, because of the sheer hatred that would generate if they went back on their word.
Honestly, your lack of trust in people is rather disturbing...I know Dragoneer and the other admins have not had the best practices and have made a few bad choices in the past, but throwing out this much hatred towards a situation that you refuse to look at from other angles and perspectives is only going to come back and bite you hard in the rear.
ps, if you are going to start throwing out equations for the costs of operating this site, bring along that actual numbers so you know what your talking about and can prove your point better.
1) On the DMCA being free.
Yes, filling the form is free. Like in any country, filling any form is free. But having it to take effect... that's a different story. Artists like
2) On the lack of transparency.
You must be new in here. Dragoneer promised transparency in FA's finances after the donations for the DDoS attack past year. FA's finances have always been dark and shady, and right after his promises of transparency the site was sold. More than one were and are angry at that.
3) On math.
Kid, you don't know any math. Seriously. The ad revenue was not en... ya know what, I won't repeat that again, read again the damn inequation because what you are saying is just plain dumb.
4)"The fact of the matter is, you prove time and again that you dont have actual physical proof of ANY of this, and it makes it look like your pulling it out of your a**. There are plenty of different ways IMVU could be profiting from buying FA. You only choose to focus on ONE of them, and thats never a good idea when trying to pass judgment. I have learned from past experience that you NEVER EVER pass judgment or ASSUME something, with out first having plenty of info, and have looked at it in other points of view. Something which you are doing right now."
Do you live under a rock? The sources of income I listed are the ones they have officially claimed in all the previous journals. Go and check them. They clearly said they would only rely on those two things and thus they will stay "hands-off" from FA, but as I have demonstrated, it is impossible.
5) ps, if you are going to start throwing out equations for the costs of operating this site, bring along that actual numbers so you know what your talking about and can prove your point better.
Costs of maintenance: Dragoneer stated SEVERAL times that the ad revenue was not enough to cover them. Again, do you live under a rock? Now those costs + extra costs are not gonna get covered with the same money, unless you think it's magic money.
Now...First thing is first....
Insults, un-true and un-proven facts, claiming I live under a rock, and claiming I dont know s*** about math....
I have seen you use this tactic on pretty much MOST of the other comments you've made. Unless you can come up with a new tactic, please stop. :)
Now yes, that is true about it being free to fill out a form in any country. BUT, for a DMCA (most other forms for that matter), you DO NOT NEED a lawyer to "back it up". Its possible IMVU wasn't the best in handling that, but Dragoneer has already said he and IMVU are working on solving that issue, and making it easier for artists to protect their own art.
Btw, I believe your math is off. Those coders you are talking about. You seem to be ASSUMING (yet again) that they are BRAND NEW CODERS, when, for all you know, it could simply just be coders who were already hired by IMVU for their own site, being transferred over to work on FA to get it up to snuff. Barely any extra cost there.
The site maintenance costs most likely have not changed. And now with IMVU buying more ad space, plus the current ad space by other people, that means more income.
You are ALSO assuming (no surprise there) that Dragoneer had his pay INCREASED from what he was already getting from running the site. For all you know, he could have taken a pay cut. Which, le gasp, means more funds to go into FA. :)
Btw, insulting people's skills in math and claiming they live under a rock? Guaranteed way to make yourself hated and look like an idiot in the process. Good job on that one. :)
Anyway, I'm getting tired of playing with you. You keep saying the same things over and over and cant seem to look at another point of view, other than your own. Oh what am I thinking... Silly me, you dont like changing! D8 Guess I'll have to put up with you and your parroting then. Oh weeelll. :)
If filling the DMCA's work like magic, then go and tell that to
Also, new coders or not, they are taking a wage for getting job done... are you dumb enough to believe that just because they aren't new they are gonna work for free? Hahahaha
"The site maintenance costs most likely have not changed. And now with IMVU buying more ad space, plus the current ad space by other people, that means more income."
Holy shit! So they buy their own ads to pay money to themselves? Hahahaha
"You are ALSO assuming (no surprise there) that Dragoneer had his pay INCREASED from what he was already getting from running the site. For all you know, he could have taken a pay cut. Which, le gasp, means more funds to go into FA. "
Hey newbie, Dragoneer never made money out of FA (except when doing donation scams), so much he even had to pay with his money the costs of maintenance sometimes.
Finally, you just said a post ago you were amused and whatnot. Why so serious now? Basically, you are either a newbie or someone who lives under a rock. And if people hate me, I don't care, I'm not here to make friends, but to perform a duty of saving people from Neer's claws.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6606222/
Take a look at that. He pretty much sums up whats going on now. FA and Dragoneer are working WITH IMVU to get all these stolen pieces dealt with much faster. :) Also, no-where does it say he actually "phoned" Dragoneer about it. As he states, he poked him to get it removed, BUT, (and heres the biggy, better brace yourself buddy) that was AFTER getting the other art removed already, BY HIMSELF. No need for a lawyer or any of that crud. If you simply read though Strype's journal that I linked, (which is right on his front page I should mention) you'll see ALL of the points I've also been trying to make.
Its as simple as this. IMVU gets to put their ads on this site and therefore generates more traffic to their site, and FA gets some extra cash to do the things they need to do. Not really sure whats so hard to understand about that. 8/
Also, dont call me a "newbie" when you dont even know just how long I've been on this site. Thats just proving your own ignorance and inability to actually get facts straight. :)
And when did I say I was done playing with you? All I said was you were boring now cause you repeat the same stuff over and over and dont like change. D8
Btw, for your viewing pleasure, here is a quote from that very journal I linked you. :)
"The thieves are getting their asses banned, and we have Dragoneer to thank for it. Maybe we should consider putting down the torches and pitchforks and help the guy out. If you spot thefts, tell the artists. And artists, take note of who's selling your stuff and note Dragoneer about it. That's what I did less than 12 hours ago, and we're starting to see results. This theft has been going on for YEARS before the buy-out, but now we have a chance to scrub it all out, which will be good for everyone."
There you go. All the proof you need for the whole DMCA art theft trite. No need for any lawyers or anything. Surprising I know right??? :) Enjoy! ^-^
2) Them putting ads here won't generate any significant traffic because of something I already wrote:
"They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Also, a lot of people are installing AdblockPlus to get rid from their annoying ads because, according to the computer geeks here, Imvu's ads contain malware.
Being a newbie is a bliss, isn't it Newbie? :3
Lawyers would be required for a DMCA takedown if IMVU considers the image in question to be legally on the site, as opposed to illegally.
Ad hominem: attacking his character instead of his argument and information.
Assumptions: You fail to produce proof of your claims.
Exaggeration: You continue to use the term "everyone," but I don't think it means what you think it means...
2: He's given actual proof to his statements.
3: He's not attacked you in any way.
4: You keep repeating yourself over and over, while providing no proof of your claims, despite giving hints to it being there. Which would help your case if you did, and it turned out to not being able to be used against you, like the Strype Journal.
5: Regarding the coder issue. You mentioned them not working for free, while disregarding the fact that if they work for IMVU already, they are already getting paid to work for them. Meaning before they got placed onto FA and after, they already had a income, use common logic.
6: With Strype, you said everyone have pointed this and that out. Did Strype himself point it out in the Forums? Because people can say things and them not being true, like you claiming just about everything with FA and IMVU which are positive to even a small extend are. Could Strype be a close friend, and having given him a call? Yes he could. Did he say though he is or did? No he did not, so we can only guess how he poked Dragoneer about it.
7: You only need a lawyer for a DMCA if the site does nothing about your DMCA, or the one its sent against, files a Counter-DMCA. Both are unlikely, but the good thing is that should you go and take things further and more into something public, then IMVU will get a big bad hit on them.
8: Since IMVU now owns FA, they do not need to pay for having their ads put up on here, they can put them up here for free if they so goddamn please, and they get income from the ads people pay to get on FA, along with any donations if they still allow that.
9: Yes, Neer never did get paid for being the owner of FA, if you look aside from the ad revenue or the donations. But he did have a job of his own outside of it, and now he have a job under FA being the administrator of FA. Whether or not he makes more or less than he did with his old job, unless he now have two, we will never know unless we somehow obtain his personal bank statements and documents.
10: Why do we care if this is Project Phoenix or not? There are so many reasons for why it never got anywhere, that its not fun to think about. But them now going into a Open Beta, something they were unable to do before, shows that some progress have been done to it, when it started or how much have been done to make it so, we can only guess.
11: The income they hope to gain from this can either happen or not happen. But they do not need any income from here, to get more income elsewhere. I mean they have their own site, people upload content there, both legit and stolen, along with getting new users of their own. This only gives them a extra expense, one they can easily make up for later with their own site alone, not the biggest hit they've taken I'm sure.
Just shows how badly wrong you are about so much and lacking in common sense.
You raised a very good number of points and this would make a good counter for any and everything they've said on this thread.
The verdict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDMrncAy4U
When loading up my profile page, why does the banner/ui take roughly half of the screen?
Why have ads over the banner?
Why are statistics placed in a prevalent spot? Journal should definitely be higher.
ALSO! Why do I have to scroll through 1500+ comments to make a comment? Why do I have to scroll through those to find my comment to edit it, and then, after I click edit, why do I have to scroll down again?
I guess that's all I've got for now. *shrugs*
There's no need for the statistics to take up that much prime real estate.
There gallery preview at the top of the userpage is cluttered and awkward.
The gallery thumbnails at the top of the userpage look too small for the huge area they're occupying.
The artist info that used to appear at the top of the page is now an afterthought, but a lot of people use that area for important information, and they want visitors to see it FIRST.
There are too many random boxes/tables/shades of grey crammed up in the top of the user page.
There are too many lines of buttons crammed up in the top of the user page.
The colour combinations are nasty (those blues and greens with those greys, this is an art site, not a waste removal company).
The front page is no longer divided by art type (writing, music, visual arts), which is pretty unfair to the writers and musicians IMO
The banner is really just too large.
Overall it looks like a weasyl ripoff (but a bad one)
I'm all for a visual upgrade, but this is not the visual upgrade that we need or want.
If you're not aware of what a poorly thought out UI "upgrade" can do to a site, go look into what happened with Flickr's userbase when Yahoo! took over and overhauled the site UI.
Flickr cried "you'll get used to it" while literally millions of users in the US alone stopped using the service. It was a shame to watch a community like that dissolve, and I'd hate to have to see it all over again.
Things I'd like to see change:
- Would like to have the profile info at the top, as well as Profile Image and Statistics underneath.
- Return the Featured Submission.
- Profile info updated to included tumblr and Weasyl options.
- Submission Category to include Mixed Media under the Visual Art section.
- Folders for easy sorting would be great.
- Everything's kinda⦠spread out? There's a lot of unused space here in regards to the images layout.
- The use of pink and light blue with white text for the Nuke and Remove buttons are difficult to read.
- Still it showing that a favorite was there even when the artist removed it with the Image Not Found. Maybe have it just be gone?
- On similar note, comments and favorites do not reflect what is actual number in the gallery as those images were removed.
Things I like to stay:
- The drop down menu of My FA no longer has second drop down menus (and Control Panel drop down menu added).
- The dark color scheme.
- The submissions to the side (and more of them in one frame) of the Most Recent larger image.
- The placement of the individual image stats being all directly below the image along with keywords.
- Trouble Ticket filing link under the support tab.
- Glad that Art Spots is no longer an option for an Art Site in the Profile Info. (Please again I ask you add Tumblr and Weasyl to go with the other art sites.)
Things that are glitchy?:
- There is no space between an image's title and the artist's name.
- There is no edit submission button on an individual image.
- It says "Type here to perform a quick sea"β¦ something got cut off somehow (or was a typo?).
- In the notes section, it's supposed to say "Select a note to the left to view it." but the word "Select" is partially covered up by the list of notes box so it just reads "ct" instead of "Select".
- When I select a note to view, part of the note's text is covered up by the list of notes box and thus cannot be read fully.
- The large fonts kinda have words slightly going over other words for the devices in the Activity Log sections.
That's my only real complaint, really.
Otherwise, go nuts, do what you want, I'm fine with whatever.
For real I was just about to post this
also, will we be able to organise our profiles with widgets? I feel like everything is in a strange place, especially the gallery view on the front page.
I really like the edit comment version, but maybe it can open in a page with just the comment your editing, rather than scroll to where your comment is ? (usually not really a problem I'd imagine, but editing on this journal with so many comments was a bit awkward.)
Also, I like how we can switch between beta and the old design. Can we please keep that function?
Damn this thin comment box font.
1) Everything's just so 'square' and 'rectangular'. It kind of makes me think of cubicles because of that, and not in a very good way because things get boring by the time you move partway down the page. The profile pages, especially, seem to suffer, but I'll get to that. Right now, the only elements that seem to have a softer edge are the text boxes that hold comments, along with the 'Reply' button.
2) Speaking of the comment area, you can't tell what comment you're replying to when you have a large amount of them orghanized together. Is the Reply button above the comment you're responding to or below? For people who are used to using websites, of course they'll think below automatically. But, for those who aren't, or aren't used to common practices in UX, it's a mess.
This is probably seen more easily when looking at the comments on this journal than anywhere else. If you only have one or two, then you can of course look to the last comment on the page to understand what button goes to what comment. But, on this journal you have hundreds of them. So, I'd say either move the reply button to the far left and position with the user's icon somehow, or add extra spacing between stacked commends so that they don't get confusing. Or heck, even place it just to the right of the text area instead.
3) The submissions area is boring. There's no other way to describe it. Even the featured image looks boring because it doesn't stand out from everything in the section with it, because it really just looks like images have been dropped into the block and they don't stand out in any way.
In the regular layout, it's kind of the same, but there are way less thumbnails and the spacing around everything is way more condensed so it works.
So, I'd consider making the area a bit smaller, or at the very least stop spacing things part quite so much.
Also, please rethink what you're doing with the larger featured image in terms of treatement on the page. Either it should be made more interesting and prominent, or you could just make it go away entirely and only deal with thumbnails.
4) The typeface is fine, but there's only one with makes everything look super same-y. Why not bring in a second to add a splash of style somewhere? I'm not saying go crazy and toss Zapfino all over the page, but using a typeface for things like usernames on profiles, journal titles, and stuff like that might be cool.
Either that, or use a font color as an accent in some places that isn't white or grey.
5) :( In the same vein as font color in #4, don't be afraid of bringing in accent colors here and there. The color scheme for FA is very 'safe', but all in all makes me think of SheezyArt or a really old DA. You can be dark and not boring at the same time by adding occassional splotches of color (and even giving users the option to modify which accent colors are used on their own profile using hex codes. The accent colors you've used for +Watch, Send Note, and other buttons throughout the site are a good start, but they're all so dark and subdued as well that it only weighs the place down further.
6) Font size could be brought down a little. It's overly generous at this point.
I haven't really poked around in other pages yet, but if I do I'll add some crits for those as well.
7) On the Journals page, add some extra padding to the top of the block containing journal text as there's only a tiny amount of spacing there and it looks cluttered.
8) Going back to font size: The size of the font is too big on most of the site, but the size used for submission titles on the Gallery, Scraps, and Favorites pages is actually too SMALL. It's impossible to read that. At a larger size, yeah longer titles might end up stretching to two lines but at the very least it will be legible.
9) In 'My Notes': When hovering over the 'Select', 'Priority', and 'Actions' options, the first selection in the drop down lists are aligned left while all the others are aligned right.
10) On 'Activity Sessions' and 'Activity Log' pages: The first three columns containing session information are using a humongous font size that overlaps with the lines above and below and is hard to read.
It looks modern and refreshing, way better than the old look :] Sure, there are still many things to improve, but it's a great start to make a new start! I have a few suggestions, though, maybe I can help to improve here and there! (note that itβs only my opinion tho, layouts and designs are still a matter of taste after all!)
β’ The dark colour looks modern, but for my taste, itβs a bit too dark. The white font on darf background is hard to read after a while, especially with longer texts! Maybe you could offer another colour scheme like the brighter, beige-ish one in the old layout?
β’ The different boxes on the profile look a little oddly placed here and there. As one of my before-commenters said: It would be really awesome if the profile was handled with widgets you can freely move around to customize your profile a little bit. (or removing widgets if you donβt want them on your profile) Maybe even customized colors to pick for your profile? Thatβll be bomb!
β’ The whole page and especially font looks a bit too big for my likings. Maybe a bit smaller, to keep a better overview? :3 (I just read carefully again, youβre already working on it - cool!)
β’ When opening a submission, the artistsβ description looks a bit loose to me. Maybe it could be fixed if you put the artists decription in a slightly lighter, own textbox? It fuses a little with the statistics and advisory warning since it really kind of sticks to the warning-image.
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I also would have a few more suggestions to improve the siteβs layout, Iβll just leave them here, hehe!
β’ A galery folder system
Should be self-explainable. Users should be able to sort their galery into custom folders. That would improve the quality of the galery a lot and I bet many artists would love it! It helps to collect comic pages, or to differ the own art from commissioned art (to reduce the βArt of my characterβ Accounts). Many, many possibilities! Thatβs the only thing I really still miss on here, man, that would be awesome!
β’ A group function
Stealing a little from DeviantArt here, but man, real groups with Admins and Members would be awesome! It helps a lot to browse Art of your certain likings, or just find furs with the same interests. The Account-Groups are really only an emergency solution and are mostly dead. I think it would be a great addition to the community if users could contribute to certain groups and collect art, make fanclubs, groups for different species lovers, writers, artists, to promote commissions, stuff like that. :) Works really well on DeviantArt, and I would LOVE to see this or a similar system on FurAffinity.
β’ Bigger image resolutions
the 1280x1280px is really quite small for detailed pieces. Maybe shrinking it down on display, but enabling the user to download it full-size? Would improve the quality of the art on here a lot! :)
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Well, thatβs it for now! As I said, I really enjoy the new design overall, surely there are still many things to fix, but hey, itβs just the early beta preview!
Iβm really happy and excited to see what you guys will change! Keep on working and thank you for the work you put into this!
But all these politics make me retch.
All this is is a gross fetish site, where my ascension will stop soon enough because I do not create fetishy art.
It's site about fetishy art. Furry on itself is fetish ...
Read my journal, if you would.
1. The artists names when checking through my messages. Their names appear smacked right next to the picture title in tiny thin italic and it's hard to not only make out, but read. I'd like to see maybe their names appear under the submission title again. Make it easier to see who drew or submitted the image.
2. The icons on the users front page to show the most recent submissions are pretty small as well. They look off or not sized correctly. Maybe a smidgen bigger would look better to the eye.
3. I'm not a fan of my profile information now under my profile picture and data about me. My commission information for my clients is now not right there, readily available as they click and view my page and that's unsettling to me. I'd much prefer for my clients to be able to come in to my page, see all my useful links pertaining to my commission information right there instead of having to scroll down to find it.
In the default UI, it's so easy; as the edit links are just below the submissions- no fuss, no muss. Now, you have to go to the control panel, select 'Manage subs', dig through all submissions (as both the gallery and scraps are mixed together) until you find that one image you need to edit...which is impossible to do in the new UI, as even though you click on the image to edit it, there's no edit options - it just takes you to the image.
So, until that bug is fixed, I'll be sticking with the old UI.
i don't need the 'send Note' option or 'add favorite' option on my pictures for me (For everyone else who sees it, yes, but not for me as I'm not going to favorite or send a Note to myself) I do need the ability to edit my submission files and the information in the artist's comment box though, quite a bit in fact
Also, way to throw something in to divert attention from the paywall issue on IMVU. I mean there's no solution to that bleeding wound, BUT HEY LOOK, SHINY KEYS! They make sound too!
Should the User profile be below the submisssions? What if they were alongside the submissions, would that look bad or
There is a LOT of space at the bottom of the page, not sure why so much space is needed.
I understand you're working on coding stuff still, but I don't know what you are and aren't aware of, so I thought I'd share.
1. FA gets in "trouble" with its users for being a shady piece of shit.
2. FA "distracts" everybody with a "new update"
3. new update fizzles and dies because incompetence.
4. rinse and repeat.
And that is very sad.
i've been here long enough to see this happen over and over without fail.
i'm convinced the only people who still cling to this site must be relatively new furs. if you've been with FA for 8+ years and you still have any faith in it, you are a fool.
The comment I left here was a kind of simplistic satire of how quite a few seem to act towards this thing. They assume it's all drama, that everyone will be back and nothing will have changed.
As for me, I'm watching. Already dusted off my weasyl
I've started trying to re-watch whoever I watch on FA on other sites.
A bit sad that many don't have any alternatives though
Me too.
> i've been here long enough to see this happen over and over without fail.
I've been on FA long enough to know that this doesn't matter.
> i'm convinced the only people who still cling to this site must be relatively new furs
I'm not new. I use it to commission art because it has some of the best quality artists here.
> if you've been with FA for 8+ years and you still have any faith in it, you are a fool.
Faith in a website is a strange concept. I'm here for the community, not the website. This is why websites like Ink Bunny do not mean much to me, sure they offer additional features, but I'm not using art websites for features, I'm using them for art. If they don't have sufficient art that appeals to me, they are not within my interests.
It's not an attitude, I'm expressing how your expressed issues are not issues to me (and likely others).
> keeps us all here, knee deep in bullshit.
I'm not in bullshit, neither are the artists I am commissioning. I'm still commissioning artists just fine and the artists are getting commissioned just fine. Artists are posting art just fine and I am viewing their art just fine.
I'm not seeing the functional 'bullshit' problems.
i used bullshit to sum up all the bad shit dragonner and FA has done. it is NOT just petty issues. i hate that people like you keep going around trying to undermine everyone who is upset, as if we are literally all upset over nothing. i can't believe you think that....wow.
it's like.... "yeah this bathroom hasn't been cleaned in years and bad shit keep accumulating.....BUT! it still has its BASIC functions, lets just keep using it!"
i thought that getting it out of Dragoneers hands would be the only hope for this place, but not like THIS. not fucking IMVU. jesus H christ.
No, but I do claim that certain individuals do reinforce "furry drama" stereotype. Particularly when they rely on hyperbole.
> i used bullshit to sum up all the bad shit dragonner and FA has done.
Clearly not a very good summary.
> i hate that people like you keep going around trying to undermine everyone who is upset
The problem is that you're making poorly reasoned points that can be undermined, make better points. This isn't a hug box.
> it's like.... "yeah this bathroom hasn't been cleaned in years and bad shit keep accumulating.....BUT! it still has its BASIC functions, lets just keep using it!"
Wrong, it's the fact that this is the place to do business and the issues you have raised really have had no impact on it and are therefore, irrelevant.
> i thought that getting it out of Dragoneers hands would be the only hope for this place
My belief is that a crew of dedicated volunteers would really improve FA. However, if you looked at the volunteer options, they're lacking in ability, knowledge, experience and have numerous character flaws because all the right people already have a job and aren't willing to donate the remainder of their free time to this. The only alternative I see to resolve this is to run FA as an actual business or be sponsored by a business with a fixed budget to hire competent people.
do you respect the artists you commission? wouldn't you prefer to commission them through a site that respects them too?
how does the constant bad decisions causing "drama" and making customers and artists leave not affect business?
how many months can FA last without something happening that upsets so many of the users?
there is ALWAYS SOMETHING. and even if the most it amounts to are these arguments, that is still affecting the community. we wouldn't have to be having a fallout every couple months if this site was legit!
the truth is this all does affect business and the whole community, but because your personal favorite artists still do business here, everything is just fine in your narrow scope of caring.
my points are not poor. anybody who has actually kept up on everything FA has ever done business wise already knows my points, it's all very easy to research and see for yourself. Once again you're trying to make it look like we are all upset over nothing just because i didn't needlessly link a bunch of sources, we don't need to. You either don't know all the bad stuff i'm referring to, or your very happy to be dismissive and in denial about everything.
also lies. plenty of well qualified wanted to donate time and assistance, but they were not Zaush so they didn't get picked. go ahead keep putting the blame everywhere except dragoneer where it belongs.
They are?
> do you respect the artists you commission? wouldn't you prefer to commission them through a site that respects them too?
I commission them through whatever method they ask me to. Sometimes it's a Google docs, sometimes it's e-mails and other times it's FA notes.
> how does the constant bad decisions causing "drama" and making customers and artists leave not affect business?
They are?
> how many months can FA last without something happening that upsets so many of the users?
So many? Like the 2619 users on my watch list, where four of them 'left' FA, three of which weren't artists and never commissioned anything and one called themselves an artist, but I wouldn't really go that far in my description of their works. Based off my anecdotal evidence, my calculations show that is 0.15273004963726614% of people, none of which I would commission, none of which I think anyone else would commission, none of which seem to commission other people either.
> we wouldn't have to be having a fallout every couple months if this site was legit!
What fall out?
> my points are not poor. anybody who has actually kept up on everything FA has ever done business wise already knows my points, it's all very easy to research and see for yourself.
I've done my own research in the matter already and I have been on FA for almost a decade now.
> plenty of well qualified wanted to donate time and assistance
I actually looked at a few resumes and didn't come to the same conclusion. Perhaps you could show me some of the resumes that you think are qualified for doing development? Perhaps you could show me the resumes of some of these PR people etc?
> go ahead keep putting the blame everywhere except dragoneer where it belongs.
Blame for what? As far as I am concerned, FA isn't dying. Traffic and users have only increased over the years, not reduced.
But I'm not too keen on everything being bigger for the desktop version. The top bar now takes up a 3rd of the screen as opposed to the fifth from before. Please consider shrinking it down.
Visually great though.
So far, it looks really nice, but there are a few things that I would like to suggest:
1 - As some have mentioned, the "Featured Submission" ability is something that I rather enjoyed and was a very handy place to showcase my commission prices and TOS. Now, it's the most recent piece of art (which isn't ALWAYS how I want to present myself. Having the featured submission image as the first thing viewers see was incredibly useful.
2 - I'm not sure, but are the emoticons being changed? I really miss seeing the emoticon menu. It was also very helpful to find the right face for the emotion you were feeling at any given moment.
3 - Will be able to adjust the layout of our main page? I'm curious about that. It would be great if we could, but if not, can we at least go back to having the "Featured Submission" image at the top.
Again, thanks for all your hard work. It really is appreciated. You don't have to do all of this, but you do...so thanks ^_~
In fact, I hate the Win8 fashion, it's ugly... Beware, I just express my felt, don't hurt me ;)
I really like FA, even if I'm only here since 2012, I'm felt like I'm here since 10 years...
And a question, why the links to access at our userpage have changed? Before, we could see how many notifications we've received, with three links--> 61(45S,52C..etc)
61--> link to see internal notes, submissions, journal, etc
45S--> link to see new submissions
and 52C,xx,xx--> link to see new watches, favs, comments...
Now the first link has disappear, the link for submissions is always here, but they're 4 link to the same access(C,J,F,W)
I know this isn't really vital, but that's strange to change those link which doesn't have to.
It's zoom and side-scroll on mobile is a bit buggy, but nothing intolerable.
There seems to be content conflicts that are blocking the drop down selection.
I already blocked the ad spaces because of this, but it is still recurring after F5 {refreshing}.
Want info up top
Wish things where smaller also.
But other then that I really like it.
According to Imvu and Dragoneer, Imvu is going to stay "hands-off" the site and thus they are not going to install premium accounts or other measures. They say, their benefit from this acquisition (and the month to month costs it implies) will come from two sources: Ad revenue and new users getting into Imvu.
Lets arrange this as the following:
A= ad revenue
B= site's maintenance costs
C= Dragoneer's wage as new employee
D= the cost of the coders Imvu claims will bring
E= the cost of the site's acquisition
F= profit for th company
For what we know with solid information from the past experiences, the ad revenue was not enough to cover the site's maintenance costs, thus we have:
A<B
According to Imvu, the very same money that was not enough to cover costs, now is going to be able to cover them and cover all the other costs:
"A= B+C+D+E+F"
BUT, since A<B, then the correct statement is:
A=/= B+C+D+E+F
They second claimed source of income, as they claim, will be an expectd influx of furries starting to get curious about Imvu's chat and thus get into it and start spending money in the virtual goodies it offers. This second source of income, however, it's pretty unlikely to happen since the perception that the majority of the furry community has of Imvu is negative due to the following reasons:
1) Lack of transparency in FA's acquisition
2) A lot consider that SL is better and cheaper (and technically it is better and cheaper)
3) Many furries already hate Imvu because of them allowing art theft and having long and complicated mechanisms to remove stolen art (being forced to have an AP to check stolen art and having to fill a DMCA and possibly hiring a lawyer to do that).
Considering 1, 2 and 3, one can easily notice that the influx of prople from FA to Imvu's chat will be minimum.
Will this new value "X" be enough to turn the inequation into an equation such that A+X= B+C+D+E+F?
Given 1, 2 and 3, again, this is quite unlikely to happen. Thus Imvu will have to find other ways to obtain income from FA... said new measures however, will inevitably damage the community's acuisitive power, and both users and artists will feel the blow when Imvu starts installing measures to squeeze money from us.
As previously demonstrated, what they claim will be their only benefits is not enough to cover costs and generate profit, thus, they are either lying or they are just willing to play charity.
if if IMVU was to mess the site up then we could all leave then
there are ways they can get their money out of the site without messing it up
and there are ways that would
... but until things break if they even do it is fine
Nice falacy. I spotted a few mistakes there, though
DrZed: tell that to all the artists who devote 10 hours of drawing to this site on a daily basis.
Also, i'm not willing_prey94.
Ironically, even though I unblocked him just a few days ago, he blocked ME, so... what's the point?
I imagine I'm just a huge durp, but buh? It's the My FA up at the very top, yes?
My FA (big button on top) > Account-management(Sub-list) > Account-settings > Style-section on account-settings page > set template from "Classic" to "Beta"
hope this works :3
The change submission info button is gone, the profile move based on a few people screwing their's up is silly, mobile is completely wrecked, you can't click the main image to get to the full submission (you have to click its thumbnail,) there is lots of wasted space...I know this stuff can be changed.
The biggest issue is pushing this as a newly made thing when you guys have had it for ages. That just feels like another big insult to the users' intelligence. :/ And how in the name of furry jesus do we still not have folders?
Only my opinion, but this shouldn't even have been presented.
1) Its a bit too much of the "Me too!" design compared to the rest.
it is mimicking a lot of stuff from other sites. kinda expected something with more of a identity instead of looking like its more recent rivals
2) It seems to be pandering for viewers.
Look i know a viewer-friendly site is great. very much so for a from now on Ad-focused site. but many of the new template's features seems to be "Form over Function" from an artist pov. The featured submission is THE way to grab attention, showing one's bestest work or their pricesheet. The profile no longer on top may result in people not seeing vital artist-info and result in miscommunication and the integration of recent Favourites with submissions rather then seperate...it reduces artist visibility greatly for it is by random "fav-hopping" that ive encountered most interesting artists and how ive gained a great portion of watchers. with the integration the scenario of "Oh hey. whose art is that in the fav?" won't happen that often as i doubt many will actively toggle to seeing what somebody else likes.
Point 2 is my (obvious) biggest concern. for most artists we use FA cause it has far better visibility. what we do has far better chance at getting spotted at random thanks to the current faving system. the new UI seems to much focused on making everything more pleasing for the viewer by removing the visibility of the content creators. please keep the desires of the artists who keep your site populated in mind aswell!
They'd rather copied DA or pinterest designs, which are most effective for both user and artist of that I saw.
*implodes*
On a serious note. I'll wait to see what it looks like I just can't handle an unpolished beta.
For those of you that are saying that the "design is too similar", a lot of the web has shifted towards designs that are really simplistic, with larger fonts (easier for page loads generally, and larger fonts assist in accessibility) -- they usually help make the page easier to navigate and from a really technical perspective, better for search engines. Don't get me wrong, a fresh design is always a great thing and seeing something that is great might be more important than the technical perspective, but do keep in mind that UI/UX developers create things off of frameworks all the time. This similarity is akin to developers who rely on things like Bootstrap -- yes, a lot of those sites look the same.
This structure is a bit more modern for sure. However, as a UI/UX developer for a company, I will be critical and agree that aesthetic design seemed to be a bit more important than effective functionality looking at the theme. One my biggest and most critical things: one of the nicest things about FA was the level of exposure that the front page received, which allowed for 14 of each submission type on the front page (42 total). That is something that should be a very high priority for restoration, because that invokes a level of familiarity and exposure that users will be familiar with. You have infinite real estate to pull this off in theory because of responsive design. This is a different kind of user-friendly: what you have is user-friendly in a technical perspective, but not user-friendly to the community.
eh, I could come up with more but it's likely not worth while.
Dates (x minutes/days/months ago) are missing on pictures
Favorites toggle removes them from easy view on the front page.
Still needed:
Search and tags really, really to be improved. (Hopefully that's coming!) My "do not want" list is excessively long, and if any artist has a hyphen in their name, it ruins the entire search to get rid of them. Can we beggingly please get Block Submissions, Banned Keywords, and Viewer Tags as functions?
Please find a way to keep Streams and YCH as a separate, noticeable item at the top of journals and user pages. Their posts are a plague on the actual submission list.
[Bugs!]:
When searching Scraps, going to Next restarts searches at the Gallery.
Tags listed end in an error.
I like the overall layout, though. It feels like it reads cleaner.
Understand that it is not 100 percent finished ( but it should be ) , it just feels so unorganized and everything feels out of place / not needed.
The design is great , but everything else lacks and should be been programmed simpler and quicker. For what you have now , its laughable and I find the old one to be WAY BETTER than the beta.
If yes this should be in alpha yes
https://forums.furaffinity.net/foru.....-Beta-Feedback
Like this, it will be sometime later today , probably afternoon or late evening
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....ate-04-08-2015
Lots of space wasted. Firstly, line that contains user name and profile.. now just user name, whole line is empty - WASTED
distance between thumbnails is larger than thumbnails, also waste. Rather than squeezing alot of them, would be better to to make slider view.
Profile squeezed down and pushed into seconds screen. I'm sorry, but MOST of artists use that area and journal area to promote themselves. You pretty much killed useulness of site, dear developer, most useless info is place on top and middle of screen, rest requires scrolling.
(Can't reach forum because after five years I still couldn't finish registration)
"Hidden comment" line needs to go I believe. I don't think it matters if someone makes a comment and then they hide it. What the point showing the "Hidden comment" if you can't even see the thing. It's just an eyesore and I believe in a submission and it plainly looks untidy and useless.
I'm sure I'm not the first or the last person in saying that. Plus it wouldn't even work in an auction view, because once it's hidden, you no longer know who it was. Another pointless reason for it staying. Most websites have it deleted and not to be seen by anyone.
So I think you guys really need to think hard about the comment engine.
to me the one we have now had grown on me and made fa, fa
for me. phew. laggy phone is laggy.
lets do the UI last and chop off the more important things. phew
I tried to use weasyl but it didn't work out- lmao
Here's one critique that I haven't seen yet. The log out button. It's red text on a black background. Whyyyy? Why would you even do this? Red appears the same as black to some colour blind people (those with protanopia specifically) so it's really difficult to read. Also, there are those buttons on the submission/journal/comments notifications that are really really light blue or pink with white text which is difficult to read.
Also others are helping to report bugs and issues to get them fixed. I grant you the logout button could be an issue for some.
There are currently two stylesheets users can use to fix some small bugs in the site, among which are the buttons.
[ Standard Fixes For All Users ]
https://userstyles.org/styles/11232.....a-stage1-fixes
[ Standard Fixes For All Users + Visual Impairment Support]
https://userstyles.org/styles/11234.....ixes-alternate
They're being updated regularly with the contents being passed back to Dragoneer for inclusion in the official site css.
It's always a good feeling to help out and make things better.
If you spot any further issues, drop a comment: here and it'll be looked into and hopefully fixed.
Anything else, please leave a comment at the journal I linked you to earlier, it'll save getting too cluttered in here.
Either way its ugly as sin.
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....ission/[INSERT YOUR SUBMISSION ID HERE]/
Edit Thumbnail
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....mbnail/[INSERT YOUR SUBMISSION ID HERE]/
Edit Submission Information
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....geinfo/[INSERT YOUR SUBMISSION ID HERE]/
Replace [INSERT YOUR SUBMISSION ID HERE] with the ID of your submission, make sure to leave the trailing slash.
i also hope you're going to fix the issue with text in journals and comments going all the way from one end of the screen to the other. as someone who uses a large, widescreen laptop, it's awkward, and formatting journals to not run so wide is a pain.
i'm also kinda feeling like the text is WAY too big, i have to zoom out to 90-75% for it to be less awkward and clunky.
i like the general idea you guys are going for but the hugeness of it all makes it feel so cramped and clunky.
someone up above me replied with links to the edit submission file/thumbnail/info urls, where you just replace the picture ID of the image you want to edit into the url...
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....ngesubmission/
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....angethumbnail/
http://www.furaffinity.net/controls.....ns/changeinfo/
and then you just put your image ID after the slash mark, depending on what you want to edit. I'll be saving those links in a notepad document until they can figure the problem out
Heck it would be a good start if, for one i did not have to scroll ALL the way down this post just to reply.
Feels more like a new skin than a proper UI re-design.
though I'm not sure about the placement of the profile information,
and I can't seem to see featured submissions on profiles anymore,
I look forward to more updates :3
In fact , it is OLD. It uses _ancient_ " theme of design, I even forgot where that went from, but basicly it's play gray on dark grey or cyan on dark gray horizontal design. Very strainful on eyes.
It's how sites and some software looked in late 90s. Either that or tile design (where windows 8 metro is from - it's exactly how MS site looked in 98). Some genius decided that's it's good design now, becaus e"everyone would have tablet PC and touchscreens, noone would use mouse and keyboard", so themes of 90s, oriented on low color (256 color screens) and low resolution came back. I can relate that most phones and tablets (except specialized ones, like Wacom) actually use only 32 k colors and in some areas are similar to old PCs.. but on other hand they push .png and giant banners here, which are.. excess
I just hope they see this one, this design really gives it's unique identity to FA.
Its so sleek looking and easy to look through
How typical
Thanks for working on the site! <3
The Beta just seems like they took a newer car but stuffed the same old engine into it. It might look better but it still runs the same
As it is, I only have one idea but I think it's a good one.
Content Filter-This is something I feel should have been implemented day one. There are a ton of great artists on here, but sometimes they get commissions or make art that I'm not totally a fan of; doesn't mean I wanna quit watching them for it though. Just, filter that out of their gallery or something.
P.S. Oh, and reduce the size of most UI elements and padding. If you assume your users are blind, they will soon become blind. Current Search shows five images per row - new one ALSO should show five images per row or more, not less, by default, and only change that amount per custom settings. If you don't wish to provide custom settings, boooooo.
I mean just look at Furgather. It uses a style very similar to Facebook
T think that the aesthetic of the new layout is really cool looking, it has a futuristic vibe to it and I like the gallery, I can get used to it. I also like the ask box being on top of the asks as that makes it a lot easier to just type in a message. The buttons under a submission are also nice! But there needs to be an edit button pleeaaseee! I do like how clean everything looks.
Things I dont like though, are on a submission the advisory warning is right under the description and kind of distracts from it and feels like its PART of what my description was and I don't like that, personally its ugly and should be off to the side with the other picture info ware the fave and pageview count is. The other thing being the page info/description being placed UNDER the gallery! I don't like that! I want my id and info to be above the gallery, or at least just the page info as I believe that that is more important than first showing off the gallery! Think of it this way, you have a piece of chocolate on the counter, and behind it theres a note saying "DO NOT EAT THIS" but the person first seeing the chocolate, doesn't care about looking beyond it to find the note! You would want someone to be aware of your rules or who you are or to hear what you have to say first right? Thats just my reasoning and I hope you do take this into consideration as you keep working on the site :D
I also don't like that I cant switch to the light layout as thats the one I use all the time, but im sure that will be accessible after the beta. A suggestion concerning layout color, is that you could add colors!!!! like a blue toned layout or pink or purple, green, ECT! That would be very cool :D Hotmail has that.
Another long awaited addition has been being able to change account usernames! Im really excited for folders!!!<3
You may as well have just gone for something like Bootstrap, at least the theme for that is current.
Artwork thumbnails too spaced out. I'd recommend something like weasyl does on their user pages. Make them all the same size.
There's a lot of free space next to the username, where I think the user info/stats could easily go.
Don't be afraid to add some small borders. I see you're going for minimalism, but given the color similarity it all sort of blends in.
Otherwise I'm liking the updated direction where this is heading. Less of a lurker site, more of an artsy site.
- If you're going to round the corners, aside from full-width elements like the top bar and banner, round everything. Icons and thumbnails look off with square corners against a rounded design.
- Should probably take this opportunity to make the comment editor an actual editor rather than a textarea with a bunch of buttons underneath it, turn that thing into a toolbar, stick it on top of the textarea, and round the corners!
I've been playing around with the new Beta UI, and it definitely feels visually a lot newer and shinier! <3 :D
I can't help but feel like the placement of a few things might not be very intuitive, though..?
The biggest thing I'm having trouble with is the new user page layout. The old design was very easy to use because the first thing you see on a user's page is their Profile Header, where any info you'd want to know would usually be (introductions, commission info, any links they want to provide, etc). I like being able to see the user's Featured Submission or Most Recent Submission at the top of the page, but scooting down the user's information makes it a little difficult to find... ^^;
Have you guys considered making the different profile sections customizable/rearrangeable, by any chance? That might be a nice feature to allow users to set up their own pages! :D
Thank you so much for letting us beta test the new layout! I really appreciate the opportunity to test the new layout and become part of the process! <3 ^u^
As a PC enthusiast, I want these back.
All aboard the NOPE train for me.
Seriously, it just makes it look like Weasyl. The number one reason i hardly ever use my Weasyl account is that layout. It's not appealing to me in the least.
Not to mention that I have a wide laptop screen, so the FA Beta made my page look plain. 12 visible submissions [plus one giant one] and somehow there's still too much space all over the page.
Just no. I'll stick to classic, thanks.
http://i.imgur.com/Bvtrhjf.jpg
There, everything you want to know at-a-glance. If you really want to read about how many cats an artist has and who they're mated to, scroll down to read the rest of the profile. But now it's visible right away and artists can cram in a "links to my prices/queue/whatever" in the first lines. Or not.
If the Most Recent Submission needs more space (I admit the one I chose for my mock-up is rather skinny), 5 rows of Recent Submission thumbnails instead of 8, possibly less spaced out than they are currently, would work fine.
I personally don't really mind if someone's favorites are visible immediately on their front page, but I know some people do and if consensus dictates it, it would be possible to include the thumbnails below profile image. I feel that while useful for exposure and/or determining what someone is in to, it is not the focus of a user's page and shouldn't crowd out their information.
If you can, post this on the forums, I just hope they see it, it's exactly as needed!
I would rather it be on the side if it just had to me removed from the top
using Windows 7 64 bit and Firefox
Also, what about the limitation to only being able to search up to 2000 results? Can this be finally removed, please?
Thanks for the entertainment *salutes*
I'm wondering how I edit my submission details though? I go to the manage subs menu and click on one, but just get sent to its' gallery page. Perhaps I'm fucking up in what i'm doing but it might bare looking at just for ease of use!
You and your admin or IMVU crew need to consult people, about these things, before implementing these things in the final end. That's not very community based at all or transparency as you'll say. ;3
Its also kind of a little too similar to other websites. Switching back to the old version for now. It doesn't look like the preview we saw years ago,a lot less streamlined.
2. The toolbar has been moved to under the banner... it's upside down, but I could get used to it.
3. Userpage: things have shuffled around, doesn't look bad.
4. A submission's page: Basically looks like you've made everything bigger and more spaced out... I hate it, I love space conservation, minimalisation, nothing should take up more space than it needs to. the new theme has everything centralised, and split into width filling sections. and where you used to have the artist description on the left, with information about the peice, like tags, and maturity setting on the right, that was a good idea, and helps make good use of space. the new layout gives each it's own vertical section, which quite frankly is a huge waste of space, meaning you have to scroll even further to get to the comments.
https://www.furaffinity.net/control.....gethumbnail/ID number/
https://www.furaffinity.net/control...../changeinfo/ID number/
Put the numbers at the end of the URL for the submission in place of the ID number.
But just to be clear, FA forget to put a button that allows you to change the description of the submission you are viewing for the new beta version, yeah?
I have another question if you do not mind answering it. So I just uploaded an animated icon to my gallery and I am getting this small 10x10 box with a question mark for the submission. I tried uploading a separate thumbnail to get rid of the box but it still remains. Would you happen to know how to fix this problem?
Will there be an option to use the classic theme when this hits? I know a good many people have grown used to the way the site looks and might find it hard to move to a new scheme, whereas others may enjoy the fresh new look.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/battle_franky/FA1440.jpg
Now, if you think that's a lot of work, we got another amazing suggestion with the cirrent template:
http://i.imgur.com/Bvtrhjf.jpg
Or... we can somehow make a fusion of both.
Please, take it into account :3
btw the forum is really slow atm.
But I'd love it if I could change the widgets around! And if I don't like it still, leaving the classic option open would be great~
The update is nice to see though. Thanks for sharing!
But I can't wait to see some more improvements you people have in mind. :)
People are angry because you've repeatedly squandered your promises. You're no longer considered trustworthy, from failing to deliver time and time again. You finally bring out a preview, and from what I'm reading around it's barely an improvement.
-if you want people to have faith in you and your staff again, I suggest you heed the follow:
- Find people who can get done what needs getting done in a timely manner. Cause it's quite apparent the guys doing this cannot do so, for whatever reason.
- Actually deliver on your promises for a change, and and make damn sure it happens. Until you do this, a great many users will continue to distrust you and show disdain and disgust toward you as businessmen, a human being, and a furry. Trust is important, if your user-base doesn't, then who is supporting you?
- Do not hire from within the community. It's already been proven that hiring within the community is a bad idea, as has been show by past incidents. Hire from outside the community, pay someone who will do the job and do it right, and do it well.
- Do not ignore feedback, actually take it into account, accept it, and use it as much as reasonably possible for the improvement of FA. Being the owner of an art-dedicated website, you of anyone should know that criticism is an important component of the art world. It's how artists get better and grow. It's how FA will get better and grow. Show you actually care about your website by heeding the feedback.
I've liked being on this website, and it tears at me to see so many angry people, as a result of foolishness and bad decisions on the part of website staff. Fix this, rebuild the bridges between yourselves and the community, by not fucking it up, over and over and over again. Only then will you begin to prosper again.
-I would like to see more space between the title and artist on my inbox of submissions.
Otherwise, it's nice.
few suggestions:
-I feel like the text is too large overall (I just zoomed out to about 85% a bit to fix this for now)
-The "Recent" thumbnails could be a tad larger
-"Statistics" and "Journal" both seem to fight for attention, Journal should probably take more precedence.
And it's a personal preference, but the space in the middle could be sliiiightly larger.
Other than that, I'm fine with it and look forward to this when it's done
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6656417/
I hope my feedback helps you all in improving on the Beta
little bugbear- on old FA i used to use ctrl and + to make text big for easy reading. on beta it also moves the text inwards so you see bigger words but also less.
a + and - would be nice, esp when writers are putting whole stories in the comment boxes.
https://forums.furaffinity.net/foru.....-Beta-Feedback
Also I really miss having a featured submission displayed on my page. I know I'm not the only one who uses it to have my commission sheet on my userpage without people having to go through my gallery to search for it. I know fa has a commission 'widget' but I feel the sheet still works better. More compact in a sense.
personally i think you should keep the and search page layout the same way and keep everything else the same as before. or perhaps a different profile page layout that would work better.
but thats just my opinion.
personally the only thing i like is the change to the search page layout for searching for art~
wow i can edit my messages
its not to bad at 75% zoom
this journal is lagging me though, and my computer isnt old by any means
i only have 1 issue with it everything is very large so it tends to fill the screen quite fast
This problem was noted on April 6th and Dragoneer stated that it would be fixed "tomorrow" (i.e April 7th):
https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....24847850459138
It still has not been fixed.
A big (ha ha) problem with the UI is that everything is too big, esp. the huge font. On April the 5th Dragoneer promised this would be fixed "tomorrow" (i.e April 6th):
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....2#cid:45182824
It still has not been fixed.
In fact Dragoneer simply stopped replying to comments, on the Furaffinity UI early beta journal, after April 5th.
The journal currently has over 2000 comments and he's ignoring it.
What has Dragoneer been doing since April 5th? He's been playing the MMORPG Elder Scrolls online:
https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....48325123547137
https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....20028910817280
Over the past few weeks he's been tweeting about that game a lot.
He claimed to be "rather busy" on April 12th:
https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....38673647562752
But doing what? He hasn't been working on the UI and people are still complaining about TTs and E-mails going unanswered. He didn't attend the FWA convention either.
"Most likely" doesn't sound like a promise it would be fixed by that date.
> In fact Dragoneer simply stopped replying to comments, on the Furaffinity UI early beta journal, after April 5th.
I wasn't aware he had to keep responding to this journal after he gathered sufficient information?
> What has Dragoneer been doing since April 5th? He's been playing the MMORPG Elder Scrolls online
I'm playing GTA V, yet I am still doing my IRL work to a high standard. How is that possible?
> He hasn't been working on the UI
He's not a developer?
> and people are still complaining about TTs and E-mails going unanswered.
This has always been the case.
True, but if you knew what Dragoneer was like with deadlines (fucking notorious) then you'd realise that his giving a deadline for getting shit done on FA means diddly squat. The man simply isn't dependable. Regardless of whether or not it was a promise, the fact remains that the deadline has been massively overshot. As usual.
> I wasn't aware he had to keep responding to this journal after he gathered sufficient information?
Perhaps not, but good PR tends to come from continued support of your userbase and allaying questions as they pop up - not simply throwing in the towel when you've had enough of a topic and letting valid questions go ignored.
> I'm playing GTA V, yet I am still doing my IRL work to a high standard. How is that possible?
You seem to be unaware of the importance Dragoneer places on his personal time over getting the site he owns in order. Let's not forget, this is a man that took a twenty-hour road trip to pick up a fucking cat during a time when the site was exploding over his pant-shittery in hiring a known hacker. The man simply does not know how to allot his time wisely and get anything done.
>He's not a developer?
Funny thing, there, you'd have thought from everything he says that he's the one doing all of this himself. Regardless - shit ain't getting done, and even if he's not personally implementing the fixes, he's the one responsible for chasing the issue up. So far he's done a poor job of being a team manager - but then, this has been the case since forever. Dragoneer is famous for being about as authoritative as a limp cabbage.
> This has always been the case.
Still doesn't excuse the issue, particularly after a supposed staff recruitment drive to bring on more staff to alleviate this issue. It's been at least two months since that recruitment drive, and we've, as of yet, seen precious little headway into getting staff on board to fix the issue.
Should I continue?
Fighting with idiots never gets you anywhere.
I have no problem with hating on FA for real reasons, like Dragoneer for things like being unreliable, for feeding wrong information constantly etc. However, if you're going to hate on something with accusations and presenting them as facts like the ones you keep coming up with and consider counters to that to be whiteknighting, you are acting like a moron.
> passionatelly
This is like the pot calling the kettle black...
I do, but Rena has a habit of over exaggerating things and repeatedly attempting to pretending to know the full facts when they do not.
> Perhaps not, but good PR tends to come from continued support of your userbase and allaying questions as they pop up
I concur, but this detracts from my point.
> You seem to be unaware of the importance Dragoneer places on his personal time over getting the site he owns in order.
I'm not aware of the working hours IMVU have paid for Dragoneer to be doing and I don't agree with the idea that people shouldn't have personal time because their work has a lot of work to do.
> Let's not forget, this is a man that took a twenty-hour road trip to pick up a fucking cat during a time when the site was exploding over his pant-shittery in hiring a known hacker.
I'm not seeing why you should judge how he spends his personal time off work. FA at that time was not his full time job. I don't feel that he should be obligated to do anything in his personal time if he doesn't want to.
> Funny thing, there, you'd have thought from everything he says that he's the one doing all of this himself.
Not really. I never got that perception.
> So far he's done a poor job of being a team manager
Considering that the team on FA were all volunteers doing this in their own time (I don't know of the current circumstance since IMVU moved in), I don't really see a difference here with open source projects I worked on that operate entirely on volunteers using their personal time. It had little to do with management on those projects.
> Still doesn't excuse the issue
You missed the point that it wasn't simply the case where people stopped complaining and then started again when Rena's theoretical story about Dragoneer not working is taking place.
> It's been at least two months since that recruitment drive, and we've, as of yet, seen precious little headway into getting staff on board to fix the issue.
Considering the drama each time someone is brought on board...
> Should I continue?
If you wish, but this is a very different thread to what I am raising in response to Rena.
Now, if you were kissing Neer's ass for money it would be reasonable, but you only do it because it makes you feel special. There is a website for people like you. Take all your shitposting and deposit it in Tumblr.com; I assure you, you will be quite welcomed over there.
Why is it not surprising you've gone after hyperbole?
> whatever gets posted under my name becomes an immediate candidate of your childish prejudices
It's still hyperbole, exaggerated, based on accusations rather than facts regardless of the fact you copy-pasted it.
> any normal person can also notice how much of an ass kisser you are.
I really haven't been saying anything positive about FA or Dragoneer, so, at best, this is yet again, another exaggeration/hyperbole. My actual reasons are much simpler than that.
> but you only do it because it makes you feel special
Again with accusations instead of facts.
> Take all your shitposting
Pot calling the kettle black.
> deposit it in Tumblr.com; I assure you, you will be quite welcomed over there.
I don't need or care for a hug box. Your repeated attempts to get me to go to another site are not making your points.
>I do, but Rena has a habit of over exaggerating things and repeatedly attempting to pretending to know the full facts when they do not.
Doesn't detract from the fact that Dragoneer is shit with deadlines and should know better than to offer such optimistic deadlines knowing full well the likelihood of his missing it is very high.
>I concur, but this detracts from my point.
I don't see how. Dragoneer has shown himself quite capable of running away and ignoring the tough questions rather than do any actual PR work.
>I'm not aware of the working hours IMVU have paid for Dragoneer to be doing and I don't agree with the idea that people shouldn't have personal time because their work has a lot of work to do.
Nobody said that Dragoneer shouldn't have time off. People are simply pissed off that the community manager of an ailing website would turn such a blind eye to the issues and immerse himself in video games and unnecessary road trips rather than confront the issues.
>I'm not seeing why you should judge how he spends his personal time off work. FA at that time was not his full time job. I don't feel that he should be obligated to do anything in his personal time if he doesn't want to.
So you're saying that Dragoneer can run this site in his spare time and then choose to neglect the running of the site in favour of dossing around? That's pretty irresponsible - the man needs to know how to prioritise..
>Considering that the team on FA were all volunteers doing this in their own time (I don't know of the current circumstance since IMVU moved in), I don't really see a difference here with open source projects I worked on that operate entirely on volunteers using their personal time. It had little to do with management on those projects.
See above. You don't hop on board a project like this and then neglect it and let it fester.
>You missed the point that it wasn't simply the case where people stopped complaining and then started again when Rena's theoretical story about Dragoneer not working is taking place.
'Theoretical', you say. Well, let's put the theory to the test - in ten years have we ever had any meaningful advance of FA's software and hardware past what would have been acceptable at the site's inception? There's a huge list of failed projects, half-assed updates and accusations of negligence. Those don't come from nowhere.
>Considering the drama each time someone is brought on board...
You're saying that the community outcry over Dragoneer's lack of transparency when bringing in staff members is wrong? Well, gee - in that case, we should all shut up, then. Let's let ol' 'Neer bring on more rapists, dog-fuckers and hackers behind our backs.
Oh, wait. I think you'll find that the only bitching to have been had was when 'Neer fucked it up. We're not to blame for his poor decision-making.
I could go on.
Oh, I whole heartedly agree. I'm not disagreeing with that, I am disagreeing that this was a 'promise'.
> I don't see how. Dragoneer has shown himself quite capable of running away and ignoring the tough questions rather than do any actual PR work.
I honestly don't know what role Dragoneer is meant to play with his original role of 'owning' the website, nor do I know what IMVU are actually paying Dragoneer to do. I will agree that he's failing at PR.
> Nobody said that Dragoneer shouldn't have time off.
People are complaining about what he does in his time off because there are issues with a website.
> People are simply pissed off that the community manager of an ailing website would turn such a blind eye to the issues
Which is irrelevant to what someone does in their time off.
> and immerse himself in video games and unnecessary road trips rather than confront the issues
I have no problem with him doing anything he wants in his spare time. I am not however seeing evidence of anything particularly identifying that he is or is not working his required hours on the site, which is a different argument.
> So you're saying that Dragoneer can run this site in his spare time and then choose to neglect the running of the site in favour of dossing around?
Previously, yes. If he's not employed by anyone to do a task and doesn't do the task, I do not believe he is obligated to do it. In the case of IMVU, I have no idea what his actual role is meant to be and what he's required to do in his work day.
> That's pretty irresponsible - the man needs to know how to prioritise.
It's his personal time, he should be free to do whatever he wants in his personal time. If he decides not to volunteer it at that moment, then that's his right.
> See above. You don't hop on board a project like this and then neglect it and let it fester
Again, if it's personal time and he's volunteering when he chooses, I have no problem with him doing whatever he wants in his personal time. It's not good for the project, but that's irrelevant when it comes to personal time.
> In ten years have we ever had any meaningful advance of FA's software and hardware past what would have been acceptable at the site's inception?
Off the top of my head, the meaningful advance of FA's softwware and hardware (and these are vital non-functional requirements) have been resolved numerous scalability issues, numerous exploits closed, response times improved, site uptime etc.
> There's a huge list of failed projects, half-assed updates and accusations of negligence. Those don't come from nowhere
Indeed and I am not disputing that.
> You're saying that the community outcry over Dragoneer's lack of transparency
I believe that Dragoneer should simply stop being transparent entirely. The more transparent he is, the more community issues are generated. I think if he took the Facebook approach of sticking to minimal communications, then people would carry on blissfully unaware and uncaring.
> when bringing in staff members is wrong?
Based on the perspective of community cohesion, yes.
> I think you'll find that the only bitching to have been had was when 'Neer fucked it up
No, there is plenty of bitching regardless of the facts. See Rena's posts as an example.
> We're not to blame for his poor decision-making
I'm not blaming you, I'm just pointing out that it is not unexpected human behaviour due to the reactions the community has.
>People are complaining about what he does in his time off because there are issues with a website.
You'd think that the owner and manager of the premier furry artwork site would have a more vested interest in running the site, and take a larger slice of involvement in figuring out key issues. I'm not complaining that Dragoneer isn't using every second of his free time to clear up site issues - however, it's also pretty clear that not enough is being done to solve key issues the site and site community has. Dragoneer is, as I've said, absolutely awful at prioritisation, and would rather ignore key issues than get some hard work done. This has been proven time and again, when he's dodged problems and deferred the issue rather than outright deal with them. Journals from the past twelve months or so should prove this to you. Regardless, the tl;dr is as follows: people aren't complaining that Dragoneer has free time - they're complaining that he's a lazy fuck that would rather ignore issues than deal with them.
>Off the top of my head, the meaningful advance of FA's softwware and hardware (and these are vital non-functional requirements) have been resolved numerous scalability issues, numerous exploits closed, response times improved, site uptime etc.
Oh, you mean the server upgrade that either weren't needed or weren't used when purchased, much to the chagrin of donators when they found out how wasted their investments were? The few bugs and holes that took months to clear up after being reported? The server hard-drives literally filling up to capacity and breaking the site because nobody checked on the hard-drive's status? Most of FA's 'fixes' are the figurative sand-and-bondo over an extremely old, slowly-widening rusty hole, rather than replacing the panel and saving both time, effort and money. None of these updates are 'meaningful' in any way - they're, by your own definition, bug-fixes, rather than the progression of the site as a whole. Need I remind you that FA is still running the same old, bloated code laid down a decade ago?
>I believe that Dragoneer should simply stop being transparent entirely. The more transparent he is, the more community issues are generated. I think if he took the Facebook approach of sticking to minimal communications, then people would carry on blissfully unaware and uncaring.
I refuse to believe you're actually this fucking stupid. But of course, ignorance is bliss - if you can't feel the gangrene rotting your foot away, it's not an issue, right? Right? Good fucking grief - you're honestly advocating that donators shouldn't get expenditure reports, or that the general members shouldn't be told when new staff members are brought on? You're actually suggesting that, instead of investing the community in decision-making, we should just be left stupid and blind? Gee, I wonder what happens when Dragoneer does thi- oh, wait. Of course. We get dogfuckers, rapists and hackers as staff members. We get mergers with questionable sites. We don't get shit done on the site foundations. We don't get any sort of choice about VigLink shit.
You dumb shit. I honestly refuse to believe you're actually that fucking stupid.
>I'm not blaming you, I'm just pointing out that it is not unexpected human behaviour due to the reactions the community has.
You're telling me that Dragoneer fucks up because the community bitches at him? As opposed to our bitching being a consequence of his fucking up? Have you never heard of 'cause and effect?
No, I was discussing the meaningful advance of FA's softwware and hardware as you asked, not the failures.
> you're honestly advocating that donators shouldn't get expenditure reports
No, I'm saying that Dragoneer specifically should stop being transparent and stop doing PR. Fro m what I have observed, he is very blunt, talks about agreed intents but not realistic responses. He's improved a little over the years by no longer making definite statements, but that doesn't seem to be sufficient. I think someone else should take on the role of PR or Dragoneer should simply stop, because his work is not working to FA or his benefit.
> or that the general members shouldn't be told when new staff members are brought on?
I can't think of any other major sites that actually declare when they have new staff members, so, no. I don't feel it works to FA's benefit.
> You're telling me that Dragoneer fucks up because the community bitches at him
I don't know where you got that from, this was specifically about Dragoneer running recruitment drives and why it is likely he's reluctant.
> Meaningful advance of FA's software and hardware
You're implying here that there ever were any meaningful advances. The only time Dragoneer ever gets anything done - or, leverages for things to be done - is when things break. Dragoneer is a 'don't fix it 'till it's broke' kind of guy rather than a 'fix the roof while it's sunny' kind of guy, and the site has suffered massively for it. And when things do finally break, we have massive donation drives to buy hardware that doesn't meet the requirements of the site, and precious few coding improvements to remedy the issues that caused the break-downs in the first place. The very fact that we're still ten years into a promised 'site re-code' should tell you a lot about how 'meaningful' FA's updates have been, but if not, I point you back to any one of the major site crashes - crashes that have never affected sites five times the size and complexity of FA.
The simple point is that there have never been any meaningful site improvements. Simple research should tell you this.
>No, I'm saying that Dragoneer specifically should stop being transparent and stop doing PR.
Again, implying he does much to begin with, but....
>From what I have observed, he is very blunt, talks about agreed intents but not realistic responses.
In other words, he talks a lot and says little.
>He's improved a little over the years by no longer making definite statements, but that doesn't seem to be sufficient. I think someone else should take on the role of PR or Dragoneer should simply stop, because his work is not working to FA or his benefit.
I'm glad you clarified that. You're still fucking stupid, but at least you're using your brain instead of blindly defending Dragoneer.
>I can't think of any other major sites that actually declare when they have new staff members, so, no. I don't feel it works to FA's benefit.
I'll be sure to remember this the next time Dragoneer hires somebody with a questionable reputation to work on the site. I'm fairly sure that blissful ignorance wouldn't have saved you had Zidonuke decided to go on another rampage - but, personally, I like to know who's fucking around with my shit behind the scenes.
>I don't know where you got that from, this was specifically about Dragoneer running recruitment drives and why it is likely he's reluctant.
Dragoneer hires shitbags to work for the site, doesn't tell anybody, and then wonders why there's a massive outcry when people finally figure this shit out and tell him how much of a fucking idiot he is. Gee, I wonder why he's reluctant to tell people which shitbags he's given administrative access. I surely couldn't guess. Maybe it's something to do with the fact that he's a fucking appalling judge of character. Maybe it's because he went over the head of the staff member responsible for recruitment in ever case and hired his fucking friends or the latest popufur instead of... oh, I don't know? Hiring somebody who could do the fucking job, maybe.
Is this shit beginning to make sense to you?
I gave a few examples of non-functional improvements (I get the impression you don't understand the terminology between functional and non-functional) that were pretty meaningful, there was nothing implied, it happened. I'm getting bored of your approach in moving the goal posts in this conversation.
You asked the following question to make your point, "In ten years have we ever had any meaningful advance of FA's software and hardware past what would have been acceptable at the site's inception?" and I answered with information that actually revealed we had. Now you're trying to focus on all the failures (of which FA had numerous from my perspective) and I don't really know what you're trying to get out of me. That doesn't change the answer to that question.
> The simple point is that there have never been any meaningful site improvements. Simple research should tell you this.[/b]
Yes there have, again, I will quote myself:
"Off the top of my head, the meaningful advance of FA's softwware and hardware (and these are vital non-functional requirements) have been resolved numerous scalability issues, numerous exploits closed, response times improved, site uptime etc."
I remember when FA would be offline for weeks on a regular basis, I remember when harddrive space was at a real premium for FA. I remember when the response times of page generations were up over 30 seconds. I remember when the MySQL database went down frequently. I remember when there was no resilience on harddrives. I remember when there were numerous SQL injection flaws in the site. In that past ten years, these issues have become virtually non-existent.
These are all very meaningful.
> Again, implying he does much to begin with, but....
I have no idea what his actual role entails or what the day-to-day schedule for FA work looks like.
> In other words, he talks a lot and says little.
Well no. He seems to be doing things I've seen managers that aren't familiar with programming project management do. In a meeting, a programmer says it will take a couple days of work to do X, then the manager relays to the client/community/whatever "oh, we'll have it done in a couple of days".
> but at least you're using your brain instead of blindly defending Dragoneer.
I'm not defending Dragoneer, I don't even know the guy and I have no emotional investment in him or this site. Just because I clarify that things aren't absolutes by ignoring unknowns like people are making it out to be, clearly makes me a defender of Dragoneer, great.
> You're still fucking stupid
I have a very clear picture of what's going on based on what factual information is available and I separate that from unknowns, yet you don't do that and call me stupid.
> I'll be sure to remember this the next time Dragoneer hires somebody with a questionable reputation to work on the site.
What you should have realized is that there are likely a lot of questionable people running a lot of sites out there.
> I'm fairly sure that blissful ignorance wouldn't have saved you had Zidonuke decided to go on another rampage
Perhaps everyone would have migrated to a 'better' website instead of maintaining the status quo that is now if that happened. Blissful ignorance can be helpful.
> I like to know who's fucking around with my shit behind the scenes.
You should really assume you have no privacy, you have no 'safety' from tampering on other people's websites. Knowing who is doing anything isn't going to help you.
> Dragoneer hires shitbags to work for the site, doesn't tell anybody, and then wonders why there's a massive outcry when people finally figure this shit out and tell him how much of a fucking idiot he is.
I doubt he wonders. The impression I got is that he thought to test the work being produced before making an official change.
> Gee, I wonder why he's reluctant to tell people which shitbags he's given administrative access.
> Maybe it's something to do with the fact that he's a fucking appalling judge of character.
I guess here I can be described as defending Dragoneer, but really this is just logic I am applying here.
This statement is really done according to the community's judgement, let's look at the facts.
I look at the Zaush saga and I still don't see any evidence of the rape, no police arrests despite 'undeniable proof' as others have claimed. He produced some new layouts for FurAffinity before being officially announced. However, I haven't seen anything since the community rejected him. Plenty of people had determined he was an admin when he had no admin rights.
I look at Zidonuke which apparently had done damage previously to other places and had apparently been working on FA already for quite a while. I did not see him particularly damaging the website. In fact, I saw him going through the extent of producing a ticket management system, prioritization of tasks and various functionality enhanced, fixed. Examples of this are some bugs around the 'unseen' notifications being corrected, blocked users no longer being able to receive new watch notifications, commission tab fixes etc. Obviously since the community outcry, Zidonuke hasn't produced any new work (and been removed).
As a bad judge of character, Dragoneer seemed to be giving people a chance to actually prove they were willing to do the work necessary and vetted them before announcing them, that's not really a bad way of judging someone's character, willingness and capabilities.
> Maybe it's because he went over the head of the staff member responsible for recruitment in ever case and hired his fucking friends or the latest popufur instead of... oh, I don't know? Hiring somebody who could do the fucking job, maybe.[/b]
There was only one person I ever heard of that was supposed to know how to do 'the fucking job' (I can't recall his name) however, as I recall, his resume had various bits and bobs stating he had worked for companies like IBM had no relevance to the current scripting language FA was developed in, resume had nothing on scalable systems, resume had little on database knowledge or experience. There were a few people in the community constantly chanting that this guy was great and I personally would never have hired him based on that resume which was considered the gold standard. When I raised all the requirements he was missing, I was called an idiot despite being someone who works in this industry. I was then told to ask the guy directly in question about it since I wanted to know; so I did and he told me he didn't want to discuss it.
Zaush from my understanding was brought on not to do anything scalable, but to develop HTML/CSS/Javascript kaboodle to be used as part of existing FA.
Taking Zidonuke into account, he had already experience in operating high traffic websites, experience in converting non-scalable solutions to scalable ones and had knowledge of the existing scripting language that FA was developed in.
While you've managed to produce hyperbole in your point, this doesn't detract from the fact that the community outcry pretty much makes a very human response to not want to try again. I don't think Dragoneer makes a very good PR and if he was articulate with words, he could explain things far better and trivially dismiss emotive arguments that have no basis, but he is not. I think recruiting wise, he has much to learn, but I think he's done better than what people would give him credit for.
> Is this shit beginning to make sense to you?
There is a French expression I think you would benefit from. Turn your tongue in your mouth three times before speaking.
The interesting thing for me behind all of this, is that there are very little offers I see genuinely offered to do development for FA and relatively none that are relevant. Th0ere are plenty of power hungry people who want admin rights and there are no offers for offering to handle PR for FA.
I think FA's largest problem right now is not development, not management, not administrative, not recruiting, it's PR. If FA had decent PR then recruiting and other roles as a whole would receive much better attention from volunteers.
That makes it rape, say 'yes' to stop rape.
-Featured Submissions, letting people highlight there best work.
-The Full View button. Sometime when FA is running slow if you just double click a picture to increase its size nothing happens right away leaving you to wonder if the clicks took or the picture was just posted small.
But some things I noticed about the new UI:
- You can't edit your submission or submission information after you've posted it
(this includes what's in the text box)
- I can't figure out how to move anything to scraps
Also it got rid of the dumb smileys
However, And I'm fairly certain I am not the first one to say this: The submission edit buttons/links are not to be found in the new scheme.
but for me it doesn't matter 'cause I wont be staying around here anymore :D
I enjoy the new Beta. For the big text issue I just use my browser option and have the age zoomed out to my likeing.
I'd just like to know why people keep repkying to this Anti IMVU people making this thread stupid long lol
Can there be a DELETE this SUBMISSION button on submissions?
I... hate having to go through hundreds and hundreds of submissions
in the "Manage Submissions" thing just to delete something way in the
beginning of my gallery.
I need to switch back to the old layout anytime I need to edit something.
Other than that, I'm loving the new look. Looking forward to mobile versions too.
1. http://i.gyazo.com/141af63cf308b8b3.....27473473aa.png If I just type above the comment box and click submit, it sends as the default box message ("Enter your comment here...")
2. If I type in a comment box, pause and switch to a new tab to look at something, and then return to the page where I was commenting, it automatically clears the comment window. This seems to happen only for shouts, though.
3. There is no link to change submission info.
Browser independant. Further I do not see changes, But the UI, the actual database entries and the way they works, all the same, not even a a table for groups added yet, or is that still in Alpha?
Are you planning to rennovate the database?
Also, just gonna throw this here. I'm selling my character Panini if anyone is interested. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/16301983/
I wanted to change something in my description and I can't find it anywhere, nor can I find the button to remove submissions either. I really don't like this layout at all. It's far too big, the text is obnoxious and I wasn't too happy with the site just changing before my eyes as I was editing things.
It would be nice if I could block that paytron or patranon or whatever keyword and have those not show up in my new submissions section.
Edit: Oh, I forgot to add that it would be nice if I could block ych crap as well.
its just very crowded and hard to get used to. a bit more complicated than it has to be.
I like the beta layout, but please try to work on with positioning user page sections for example:
- Put statistics under the "+Watch" and "Send Note" buttons
- Slim down Profile Picture, Gallery/Favorites, User Profile and Contact Information sections
- Get the user page section positioning bit more convenient looking
- Separate the Submission name and artistΒ΄s username on their own separate lines (currently those are together and making the submission name look so messed up)
Those are internet version fixes which annoys me a lot atm and which I want to see to be fixed asap, havenΒ΄t tried the mobile version yet to see how it has developed so far.
- Everything is rather large, I prefered the old font size. That never needed to be fixed! What you could possibly do to improve text more is give more options for coding. ie- Bullet points/lists and the like.
- I do like the new profile layout much more. The watch button is more obvious now which is good. I like the recent submissions also, however the thumbnails could be a little bigger?
- 'Statistics' should probably go way at the top in the info bar with watch, note etc. It seems like it's just floating around at this point.
- While I like the new layout for submissions/art pieces. The tags are a tad annoying. Maybe make them smaller or keep them to the side as before?
- As I've always preffered with uploading. There should be options to resize it, to stop art theft yadda yadda. Resizing means if it is ever stolen, those who reupload it are easily caught out because they will have the smaller picture. If that makes sense. While it's nice to see art up close, I am much rather worried about art theft. ^^;
- Uploading art seems to be the same so nothing to say about that one.
- It would also be nice if we could make groups or something here, to post our art in and get it shown. Because, just submitting a piece isn't always reliable. Especially if you're trying to sell. :>
All in all I think everything needs to be smaller (text wise). Thumbnails need to be bigger and submission pieces should have resize options. :>
I also think having multiple pages for comments would be helpful instead of having a massive page full of them, like this one x3
Thx for letting me play in your sandboxΒΆWhere do you want to be tomorrowβ
^..^
Now let's see if we can crash this tread, I took min of scrolling to get here to the bottom to post, but on my buggy Gallaxy Class 4, Chrome Beta with over a hundred tabs open, no free mem {even without Firefox or Chrome running,}
(I'm operating on <500Mb ram, SD, and internal memories free, 16 GB device <my furry ass> with nothing on it, just apps and bloat, no room for a single episode of a show... Not even an album of MP3s...useless ,{that's why I also carry my Galaxy Class 4.2 player, is just for media, Wi-Fi but no packet radio hence data plan and Verizon bloat, pure Samsung)... Where'd it all go android?) But it shows droid works at Windows 95 era free mem ranges better then M$ ever did, I imagine all the HDD clicking back then if I switched from Firefox to IE this quick and tried loading a page of rawr and this post bomb, so we got that going for us, which is nice. Good response times FA, well done, smoothest scroll of this tripe content (swipe spelling error left ;) type multimedia content, solid routing, and a hat tip to Chromes advance page cashing and compression, (basically using a Google connected server for static Proxy duty, oh, I only need one text message sized packet from the furry server, the new post, everything else I remember, like the full rez pic, so I can answer this one for you, just poke them with updates)
I like the classic look...
And with the BETA, you literally cannot read your notes.
What we do need is the abillity to upload images larger than 1280x1280. Instead of that tiny preview image, the default view should be whatever is best to fit on your screen, while full view is the full view, be it 10000x10000 if you wish.
looks good on my blackberry 8820 so far.
stop designing things for specific platforms, it's the hardware and browsers that must adapt to deliver the content, not the opposite.
The only things I'm curious about, which I'm sure has been answered somewhere but I haven't had time to dig around and look, is if there's gonna be folders and page customization options. I'm mainly curious about the folders, I really would like to organize my art :3 If not I'm splitting my stuff between the main gallery and my scraps, it seems to be workin out for me so far.
Honestly the simplicity of FA keeps me here, I don't like all the buttons and bells and whistles on DA, and Weasyl confuses me. Even tumblr confuses me so I don't know lol I don't understand the whole note and sharing system they have. Technology baffles me. @.@ Keep up the good work guys, I can't wait to see the site in all its glory when it's out of beta!
In Firefox they are side by side. This puts the note in a narrow column which can be hard to read. Better giving the notes full width.
Also don't like having to click the MY FA pull-down to get to them. Should be their own button as before.
Allow me to list some of the most notable ones I've noticed thus far:
- "Buttons" still look as primitive and messy/unorganized as ever.
- Scraps page is bugged (switching pages takes you to Gallery instead).
- Comments can still look messy if they get tons of replies (it'd be better if you could "minimize" them, or show some form of "connectivity" among comments).
- Still no folders.
- Still having to edit submissions to bypass the size limit (if there's a bypass method, then why the restriction at all?).
- Can't revert to default avatar when there are no avatars left at all (stuck on the last one you used).
- Pages disabled can still have their contents viewed.
- Deleting user submissions/journals/favorites/etc. is still unintuitive and archaic (can't nuke, have to manually delete one by one).
- No auto-purge of deleted submissions/journals/favorites.
At this point, and after nearly a decade without substantial improvements, I wonder why people are still giving the staff the benefit of the doubt...
Things that I think need to be improved:
-It's still a copy of Weasyl. It really is.
-The submissions box not only takes up way too much space, but the thumbnails are poorly spaced and much too small for an area that big.
-Recent favorites are no longer displayed. This will greatly reduce exposure for MANY artists.
-Recent watchers/watching are no longer displayed. This was a source of exposure as well. Small one, but still.
-Profile info NEEDS to be up top again.
-Seriously, we use that profile info to list everything IMPORTANT.
-It wont be noticed there at the bottom. Please put it back ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE.
-The fonts are a bit too big. Feel like everyone is typing louder somehow whilst reading comments.
-The new look is less 'streamlined'. Comment threads are harder to follow.
-Writing and music sections should be returned. Musicians and writers got so little notice as it is. :\
-The red "Log Out" is an eyesore.
-I have a very wide screen, so everything is EXTRA WIDE/HUGE for me. Would be nice for it to be centered a bit.
Things I actually LIKE about the beta
-The colors are actually pretty nice. I like the neutral greys of the background.
-I like that the front page displays more works at once.
-The new comment bubbles are alright. I liked the old comment boxes as well, but i could get used to the bubbles.
Icons are significantly too large, for display, and text scrolls off-screen to one side, forcing me to scroll to the side to see comments display properly. There is no horizontal scroll bar. I have to zoom out, on my already large screen, to be able to read anything without having to fight the layout of the site. The layout is a horrible rendition of a system that Weasyl has already made clear how to do properly.
User information is made drastically minimized, and serves no purpose anymore other than to inform people of what kind of artist you are, and whether you are a member or not. The actual profile information, now, gives way to showcase what kind of art you are able to do, and your pageview statistics, making me feel like some kind of a High-Class, DeviantART whore. I frankly don't give two shits what my pageview stats are, I'm here for the art, not attention. You know there's a problem when you have to scroll down to see somebody's profile information, and, to somebody who put a lot of effort into making his profile concise, and professional, I've just had my presentation drawn on by a group of kindergarteners with permanent markers and no supervision. Quite frankly, this explains my drastic influx of commission demands(And I say 'demands', not 'requests', since nobody bothers to ask me for commissions, anymore. They just tell me to draw for them.), since nobody is bothering to scroll down to see I'm not even taking commissions. Even if I made a journal detailing my lack of commission vacancy, nobody would see it since it is smashed off of the right side of the screen like an eye-sore. Switching back is even more problematic, since it takes me 3 tries to get my password to be accepted after resorting to copy-pasting the password into the text field.
I am going to stick to the Classic layout for the site, and I pray for you, that the option to stay on it remains, for other minimalists. Your beta website is a hideous, disgusting cluster of useless placement-changes, and a drastically horrid off-screen scroller. Quite frankly, if I want a ripoff of Weasyl, I would go to Weasyl, which is what I am afraid I will go so far as to do, if I am forced to use the current beta feature as a default. Despite FurAffinity being a stable anchor for myself within the community, with the direction this website is taking I do not see myself being a part of this community any longer. Your new beta website is showcasing a blatant disregard for the exposure you are known for getting artists and creatives on your website.
I joined the furry community in 2002, since I saw it as a creative group of enthusiasts that took pride in coming up with their own thing, and now I am seeing more and more of the fact that all people do is just rip off everything else, and slap some lense-flare on to try to dazzle people with horse crap. You are promoting your new beta to show you are making progress, but I am here to bring to your attention that you are not making any, at all. Since joining this website initially, in 2011, I have seen nothing but a linear progression into the same realm as DeviantART, which I formally moved to here to escape from.
The biggest 2 I have so far that no one mentioned yet (or have barely been mentioned) are:
-Browsing scraps is broken: Pressing next page when checking someone's scraps takes you to their second GALLERY page, not scraps, you can check the scraps page by typing "/2" or whatever respective page number on the url, but still.
-More serious, searching is utterly BROKEN: Pressing to check the next page of images on the search bar takes you to the second page, but if you keep pressing it it won't advance at all, and if you look for a new search word the results won't match either whatever category you placed or other settings you placed.
I have many of other problems that are as serious or more than the ones I mentioned, but those have already been repeated multiple times on this thread by multiple users so, no need to point em out, but those, as well as teh ones I mentioned, really need fixing.
It is still a little bit messy/structure less but it's a beta so still a lot of space for improvement!
my main Issue with it so far is the fact that ya'll took out almost every kind of frame/border out of anything to get that "modern" look. Which doesn't have to be indicated by a thin line like a photo frame, the composition is the key, not the color of the background or something. I would love to stick with this new design but it sure needs some work and I hope you guys can keep up with it :)
Besides the BIG CON that you barely can tell, expect of a color change, where something begins and something ends it is a good direction
Like, some of these comment wars are...just, lol.
Issues encountered while using the classic UI should be reported via Trouble Ticket, under the "Report a bug" category.
ink bunny is confusing aswell
It's always been like that: new content as a result of new advances in hardware and software (even having to adapt/work around them if it's too ambitious).
Just because it looks "good" in a given platform doesn't mean it'll apply for every other one, especially on newer models.
DA is horse-crap compared to everything else. They're a Hollywood conglomerate of money-grabbers. Weasyl is stupid easy; I figured it out in ten minutes, I just keep forgetting I have an account there, so I really don't understand how you can say you don't get Weasyl, when the new layout is a harsh ripoff of the website. SoFurry is much better than here, but I stay here since FA is just so minimal, and it is that simplicity that matters to me. Sure, a few extra features would be nice, here and there, but, I'm with the nay-sayers. You don't fix something, that isn't broken, and the only thing broken about FA was how it was managed. The classic layout, is just fine.
Whenever a big "drama" goes down because of something shitty FA did, people start complaining and talking about leaving this site.
When it gets really big and dramatic, like this IMVU thing did, FA tries to distract everybody with a "fake update" that never ACTUALLY gets implimented. it's just going to be promised until the drama from IMVU dies down again.
NO. our suggestions are NOT being taken into serious consideration and nothing is going to get fixed or improved.
DA's nice for people looking for all the things that come with it, I'm just not into all that. Plus they've made it really weird, dragging and dropping commissions into favorites is encouraging less views since a lot of people see the thumbnails and drag them into their favorites. I get fewer views, less comments, and my favorites have skyrocketed. I do like an occasional comment with constructive criticism but I don't even get that anymore. Now Weasyl on the other hand is just weird for me. It feels awkward. Sure, it's simple to use, but it's got more features than I'm interested in. It's weird because I don't understand what the purpose of a lot of the functions are necessary for. I've never even visited SoFurry, I have no interest in it at the time.
They're fixing performance issues and updating the look. It is broken. How many times has the website crashed or slowed down because of performance issues? I've honestly lost count. Maybe ya, it could be managed better. That's not any of my concern though, and it's none of my business how people run their site. People like the Beta, people don't like it. And a lot of people are hating on it because everyone else is. Nobody's taking the time to think of it on a programmer's standpoint, probably because they don't understand it. The website is old and outdated. It needs redone so it works better. It's not all about cosmetics. Little tid-bit, by hiding favorites, it gives people one less section to load. It makes the pages load faster (not that it matters at this point, but it is a bonus). I don't know why they're doing what they're doing, it's just something you need to think about. For all we know they'll have a classic option for people to use once this is said and done.
I'm with the yay-sayers. Nay-sayers can kiss mah butt.
Sure, the website could do with a few uplifts here and there, maybe a tweak to some things here, and there, but a full overhaul aesthetically when there is already so many problems to address.
Even as a failed programmer, I am more than aware that you don't fix problems with a major overhaul, unless everything is horribly mangled. As a minimalist, I see it as an eyesore. As a creative, the sudden drop in support for both music and literary submissions is appalling. I'm not jumping on a bandwagon; unlike others, I am able to form my own opinions, and ask questions. Namely, why would experienced programmers spend months building a beta website to showcase it, and get reamed? They wasted time, and money, that could have been spent fixing more serious problems and issues that contribute to the site being a problem.
If loading a favorites panel was taking a huge chunk of memory from pages, then perhaps it would make more sense to optimize that particular feature rather than hide it entirely. My stance, is if this new style is implemented, I want to have the freedom to continue using the Classic style, since it is minimalistic. It's simple, it's clean, and it works. If I'm forced to default to the new layout I'll split. The current look and feel of FurAffinity is the only thing keeping me from submitting to SoFurry and Weasyl, but if FA is jut going to become a Weasyl ripoff, I'm gone. On the other hand, so long as I have a voice here, I'll continue to say my part until it becomes clear that the voice of the general community no longer matters. After that, I'll just go my own way and find something else to do.
You don't make many friends by way of hypocrisy, either, dear, so it's a better idea to refrain from making accusations and remember that if you post your opinion to a public discussion, you are giving people permission to challenge it. This ain't a church, and we're all supposed to be adults on here, so let's try to have a discussion like one. If you can't have a grown-up discussion, than just stop replying, and remove your comments to avoid other peoples' opinions being put against your own.
There's a big difference here. I'm not looking for a challenge, I'm just looking for a civil discussion and debate, and you're coming off as hostile. I don't care if people respond to me, but I don't appreciate the rude subtle keys at being called an idiot, and if I misread and misinterpreted I'm sorry. I have no problem talking about it, but I'm interpreting your messages as rude and demeaning.. If I came off hostile in the first place I apologize and it wasn't my intention, but I'm looking for a friendly debate, not a rip-snort reaming.
At any rate, you do offer a nice argument on the matter and you do have very valid points. But I still like the change, it makes me feel more at home.
DeviantArt used to be a nice place before it went mainstream, I've been a member for 8 years. It's to the point there's so many features I don't need or have any interest in. I feel like not a lot of people aren't getting a lot of the exposure they need either. Paying for advertising is fine and dandy if you can afford it, but I can't so my stuff is still pretty hidden even after all this time. The most exposure I've received is from Sonic the Hedgehog art I did way back when I started. My more original pieces barely get any views. The website is governered by little kids at any rate, and the way the site works makes it harder and harder to get any views at all. FA at least encourages people to take a closer look before they shove the image into their favorites. People just drag and drop and don't even look at it anymore.
If FA can pull off the update and everything looks nice, then more power to them. You're pretty serious about it, and I can see why. I usually just sit back and let things happen, but I've got plenty of concerns myself. They're out of my control so I don't tend to worry about them or mention any of them since it seems pointless. I can see you like to voice your opinion loud and clear, and that is a trait I myself don't delve in to (as you can see lol). It's not really my strong suit.