Doing an Ultra is like a Super - you do a double motion then all 3 Punches/Kicks. Example: Ryu's Shinkuu Hadoken Super is the Hadoken motion twice then any Punch. The Metsu Hadoken Ultra is the Hadoken motion twice then all 3 Punches. For the grapplers, you do a 360 motion twice.

As I understand it, the SF franchise is called so because it basically launched the tourney fighter genre and deliberately stays rooted in 2D to not overcomplicate its design. It's refined simplicity, over what I see as Tekken's rush to bling out their graphics and realism (kinda) and everything. I grew up on Tekken 2 through 6 and when I got to 6 I just said "fuck this, the Arcade mode sucks and my main man Hwoarang is getting more and more confusing and unplayable with each iteration".

If you need any halp with the game on PC, I'm always available. c:

Oh dear, all those 90 and 360 motions have never felt right in my fingers at all. The 90 motion is rather common in both Tekken and Soul Calibur, so I was KINDA adjusted to Street Fighter from the beginning... Ever so slightly. Yet doing the 90 one twice in a pressured situation just never worked out for me at all. I have too clumsy fingers. I do see the point that Street Fighter has a more simplified touch about it that some might find appealing. Yet I think that I'll stick with my Soul Calibur and leave the Street Fighter franchise for those who can see its proper potential. I do very much appreciate the attention though and your offer of assistance =)

And this is why Mortal Kombat is the better fighting game!
*takes cover*

I actually liked the fighting games, when they were only a few moves and few combos, since I had many characters to practice and be good with, so to me, the magic was there, when it was simple...Nowadays, I have to learn pages of moves for only one of the characters...Uhm, no. Maybe I am getting too old, but I liked the simple/few move version much more...Oh well.

-facepalms- You just HAD to remind me of Mortal Kombat, yet another popular franchise that I have never delved into. Halp...

You like Nostalgia Rides?

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3035618/

I know it does not, but I'll ask anyway: Does your life s*ck???

Does my life suck? Uh... Isn't that a kinda odd thing to ask? Not sure what to answer to that.

If you visit that journal, then you'll understand, why I asked it. HINT: Read it's title....and a little more! :)

Oooooh, gez. Of course. I'm soooo perceptive... Yeah, I get it now! Also checked the image. There's definitely a few known faces, such as Duke Nukem and any FF7 Characters. Still remember all the good times I had with Duke Nukem: Time to Kill and Duke Nukem 3D <3

See, see? :lamo: Wasn't that obvious of a joke, so no problem, if you have missed it at first! At least now you are not findig my question (and me along with it) odd...or do you! Good. I am odd...in a funny way. *Khm!*

To me, there are only a few unknown faces, since I hve tried a lot of those. I was deeply fascinated about the evolution of gaming so I tried out most genre at least once. So many hours wasted...

You won't be getting any flak from me, because Tekken and Namco fighting games were always my go-to fighting games throughout my childhood well up until Tekken 6. I took Tekken and Namco over Street Fighter and Capcom any day. Since the release of the first Tekken in arcades in 1994, the series has always been the superior 3D fighting series above all.

I remember the first time Tekken 2 and 3 came into my life some point in the late 90s. As a Playstation kid, those games were essential, and I always played as Yoshimitsu or Jin. Then, with the release of the Playstation 2 also came the release of the first Tekken Tag Tournament on home consoles. I played the HELL out of that game to unlock every single character, with my favorite being Unknown (the possessed girl with the wolf demon).

Even when i got older, I never outgrew Tekken. A few years after my obsession with Tekken Tag Tournament, Tekken 4 arrived in late 2002. I remember having an excellent sound system to go with it. Tekken 4 was another unforgettable game for me, as the graphics were mindblowing to me at the time, and every character's story was interesting to me. After that, my interest in Tekken kind of faded for a year or two. But then came Tekken 5 and that was the game that reminded me why I loved Tekken in the first place. That was the game that captured the essence of Tekken for me.

After Tekken 5 is when I started losing interest. I kind of skipped over Tekken 6 but I do have Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for Wii U. I highly recommend it since you have a PS3, but the Wii U version is a bit better in my opinion.

So to conclude, Tekken is vastly underrated compared to Street Fighter. It's just always been the better fighter to me as the combination of moves is superior, as well as the tight controls and 3D gameplay. You and I have something big in common dear.

As much as I've played so many hours of Tekken and loved the game immensely, I still seem to favor Soul Calibur above Tekken. The reason is probably that I feel drawn to the use of ancient melee weapons because I can relate it to the wondrous medieval era that I love so fondly. Yoshimitsu was also one of my favorites from Tekken 2 and 3, and for obvious reasons, I was also quite elated by the fact that Yoshimitsu stared as a guest character in some of the newer Soul Calibur games. Guess he was pretty much cut out for the crossover since he was the only character from Tekken who has stubbornly brought a sword with him to a fistfight since the birth of Tekken. I honestly also enjoyed how they poured a little personality into him in SC and actually granted him the ability to speak words that mortal men can understand. In Tekken, I was pretty attached to characters like Heihachi and Wang. They both share the blessing of excelling at swift and powerful blows that can send their foes flying. The same obviously applies to Brian Fury but I just never found the proper way to execute his moves at the right time and such. Jack was bloody neat too and probably the most fun character to use ♥

Ah, yes... Soul Calibur. My favorite one of all is the classic Dreamcast version of the first game. My heart became attached to that game not long after it had come out. My older cousin had a Dreamcast back then, and I would always play as Maxi, Siegfried, or the one all the noobs used: the staff-wielding Kilik x)

Even though it seems silly now, but I was just plain blown away by the graphics of that first SoulCalibur game. I got into SoulCalibur II on GameCube as well, as did my other cousins because everyone loved Link and Legend of Zelda, but SoulCalibur on Dreamcast is the one I will always be most fond of. The legend will never die.

Arh... I got Soul Calibur II for the PS2, so it was Heihachi and the green orc-like dude for me. Not that I complain though, always liked Heihachi. It just felt like he didn't really fit into the SC universe due to his lack of weapons.

I have both the GameCube and PS2 versions of SoulCalibur II. Both are great fighters, but I will always prefer the GameCube version. Link is just one of my favorite protagonists of any genre of game ever, and he fits within the universe better than Heihachi did in the PS2 version, and Spawn in the Xbox version.

Well only flak i can realy give tekken and soul calibur is that..some button mashers can get VERY far...in SF u cant do that.

Nonetheless, both r great series with AMAZING stories!!! Great gaming rant, i wanna delve more into SF at least wen SF5 comes out. Cant say much about it other than the skill it takes to master it.

Arh, I don't really know... You see, due to the fact that I'm at least a little used to fighting games, I stubbornly insisted on playing SF at normal difficulty from my very first experience. Trust me, I do realize that there are a dozen harder difficulties above "normal" but I just refused to use ANY difficulty with the word "easy" in it. So I played through the game with a couple of characters to delve into their storylines and I quickly found out that the AI had a hard time defending itself against when you leap towards the enemy and greet it with a foot to the face, then deliver hard kicks to the legs while the opponent is stunned after having blocked or been hit. If a foe got on my nerves, I usually sacrificed the dignity of combat and just used this method to bring him down. Even without knowing absolutely nothing about the moves for each character, button mashing did push me through the story line fairly manageable. Dudley was a problem though, because his moves are kinda... unorthodox. They didn't work so well with my back-up lame strategy, so I had to rely on button mashing and hope for the lucky punches. Do keep in mind, I would never take credit of being a pro gamer, because I'm certainly not! I just play for fun and to unwind. Now that I think about it, I think most fighting games suffer from the fate of being effectively played by button mashing, but when it comes to player VS player action, people claim that "a skilled player can always outsmart a buttonmasher". Wonder if that's true.

Its a dumb excuse that people bring up. I was hella experienced at Soul Cal, yet i played a frend of mine who NEVER PLAYS, and he REKT me on my best characters while hes jus switching to different characters hes literally NEVER USED his entire life. WTF?

And well, thats a problem, when you HAVE to be incredibly skilled to take down a button masher. So u have to be highly skilled to take down people that have no skill and use a lame strat for victory? That is hella lame..i respect soul cal tho for an amazing combat system anyways, and its AMAZING customization, characters and story. But i just cant take it seriouely competitively, but fuck it..does every video game have to be competitive? Theyre meant to be fun anyways lol

Being monotone and repetitive is actually what I accuse SF of but I think its most of all a matter of perspective. If the gameplay doesn't suit your style, then its bound to get boring fast. Yet for those who are actually intrigued by what SF has to offer, I'd assume that there is promised many more hours of fun. I'm by no means a professional gamer myself but I do consider myself fairly experienced. Experienced or not, I've also encountered the awkward situation if having a surprisingly hard time fending against a button-masher in Tekken. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect what really benefits the button-mashers especially in games like Tekken, is that the most basic of moves actually do a substantial amount of damage. The basic kick with X-button, for example, can take a neat chunk of your health and is super easy to pull off. Sometimes, it almost feels like the fancy combos are just there for show and don't really yield much reward for execution, even if every hit lands successfully. So if you're too eager to use your arsenal of amazing combos, and the button-masher keeps catching you off guard with cheap attacks that deal noticable damage, then the button-masher is quite likely to come out as the victor. Utmost irksome...

All right, I'll set myself up for flak: I DON'T LIKE GIRL CHARACTERS IN FIGHTING GAMES. There. It bugs me and ruins the whole mood on a number of levels.

Aww, but honeeeeey! Ivy from SC is pretty darn awesome ): Yet I do get your point with characters like Xiaoyu from Tekken and Xianhou(?) from SC. I like the cold, confident and broody ladies! The silly, anime-like types with high-pitched voices... not so much. Actually, not at all. Talim from SC... ugh. She should head back to school l: Hardly ever use her.

I felt like mentioning the female characters in the Dead of Alive series by Tecmo. They are definitely better than the male characters in my opinion as my control smoother and are faster! I play as Ayane, Kasumi, or Hitomi any day if someone wants to play DOA with me.

NO! THEY ALL SUCK!

Bruh.

Eh its a different approach to the same genre really, see Tekken and Soul Calibur are both 3D fighters and with Tekken you have motion capture and the whole skeletal based animation system that can allow for a insane amount of moves that can just be put onto any 3D model they have. In fact In Tekken 4 and up that was a feature of the game, making a thing called Combot that was essentially a create-a-fighter like mode. Also as you pointed out, there is no ultras, supers and the like in Tekken. It has always been a game of button presses and little movement of the joy stick. The combination of it being easy to animate the moves, the simple approach of a button press equals one move, that button certain distance is a move, and one direction motion plus a button press is another totally different move, and then making up for the lack of specials and super moves with multiple button press "Target Combos" and it creates a much different fight game.

Soul Calibur is more or less the same situation as Tekken, they get a lot of moves via motion capture, apply it to a digital frame/skeleton and then can tweak the move from there and change its properties to give it a bit more flair or to change a few things. So that explains again the amount of moves, but as for the amount of characters, you gotta remember that A.) Soul Calibur and certain Tekken games have many clone fighters save for a few property changes between moves, and B.) since about Soul Calibur 2, and Tekken 3 or 4, they have archived a ton of this skeletal data and found a way to take from one game to the next. Meaning that besides the models and the stages and the engine the game is going in. A lot of the animations, and move sets are going to remain the same and repeat on the same characters. But in either case this is the best method to approach a 3D fighter, simple to execute moves to make up for not having a centered fighter (moving in a 3D environment), and planning moves on the fact your character would have to cover a lot of situations such as being attacked on the side, attacked or grabbed from behind, recovering from the ground has different move properties and the like.

Street Fighter has always been a 2D fighter and stuck to the roots of the genre it pretty much wrote the book on once SFII came out. Has it been guilty of multiple releases of the same game? Yes. Has it been largely the same system of motions, charges, and button presses to make up a majority of its fighting mechanics? Yes. Are all SF games the same? Absolutely not. Especially when your talking about the difference between the numbered squeals. Every game post Super SFII has added a change to the mechanics and fighting system. Super SFII Turbo had the selection of non-super and meter based characters and ones that have super arts and the same version of the character from Hyper SFII. SF3:Third Strike had the universal over head, the taunt moves, meter system of one full bar equals one super, allowed you to select a super and that could change some characters in how they handled, and of course the parry system people love. Ultra SF IV is the first one to use 3D models so its become easier for the game to create a lot of characters much quicker and easier. Back in the old days they had to animate individual pixels to create a move, and that was for every move for every character. The move to 3D has made it easier to tweak moves and apply moves to different characters, as well as making the models easier to do, hence the huge cast. Especially since in Ultra 4 you have Hugo, Poison, Elena, and Rolento from SF X Tekken so they are just the same move set but with some new properties. Then you have Seth, Decapre, Evil Ryu, Yang, Yun, Oni, Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Goken using similar move sets from other characters, or being Shotos and having fundamentally the same move set.

Your second complaint being on the limited move set is just how core 2D fighters have been and just a different system for a different system of play. Like Tekken, a button press equals a move. Unlike Tekken you have supers which require a input, a hold/charge of a button or direction, or multiple directions and a button press to execute a move. You then have to remember all the moves have 3 variations of it that change in properties or are just completely different moves, and then the fact you have EX versions which is also a very different take on the same move. What might be seen as limiting has over time become vastly complicated as the combinations to make the moves, as well as the timing and the properties of fighters has created a rather deep and complex system on rather simple mechanics. Its just a different approach to the same genre and very different camps of how its best to do things in those boundaries. I mean look at Skullgirls, Marvel vs Capcom 3, King of Fighters XIII, or any other 2D fighting game and you will find move sets are "limited" compared to Tekken and SC. But look at ALL the characters move sets and you will find they all handle differently unless they are a Shoto, and have way different ways of using them. Tekken and SC have a much easier point of entry and are more new comer friendly, SF and most 2D fighters are completely different and require study on how the moves are done and also the properties of each variation so not so easy to pick up and play.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other as I play both 3D and 2D fighters and I prefer my 2D ones but I do enjoy the occasional Tekken bout. But what I will say it is very different approaches to the same genre. Two sides of the same coin if you will. Sorry for the long response, I just really love my fighting games.... ^_^

Oh and sorry what I forgot to put (cause its rather early for me heh), is that each super or special move in SF has a variation based on what button you use to make it come out. For example Hydouken is QCF + Punch. Well QCF + Light Punch is a fast but very minimal damaging fire ball that doesn't go far, with medium punch its a fire ball that goes further but it takes longer to come out, and the heavy punch version goes full screen and does more damage but it takes even longer to come out, and then the EX version of the move comes out quickly and does the same amount of damage as the heavy one but it also costs meter to do it. And that is for pretty much any move in the game unless it states you HAVE to press a certain strength of button.

Very intellectual response; quite mind-blowing too. It is definitely not the first time that you've delved into discussions about fighting games. I honestly think that SF is both cursed and blessed for having devoted itself to the old 2D style, because it is bound to attract some players and throw others off. Even though that SF didn't really appeal to me, even I felt a rush of nostalgia when playing it because it brought me back to the wondrous times of SNES. Perhaps I have adapted too much to the 3D style of Tekken and SC, because nowadays I feel immensely handicapped if I don't have the option of circling around my opponent. Additionally, I have a tendency to grow weary of a fighting game if there aren't plenty of moves for me to explore and master. The battles get so monotone when the same basic moves are executed again and again but thats just my opinion. I also feel more at home with the more realistic-like graphics of SC. I think that I do see now why SF receives so much praise but I would wish that gamers out there would show more appreciation for games like Tekken and SC too! Street fighter is definitely not for everyone like the reviewers want it to seem.

Hey what matters the most is if you enjoy the game. I think your rant is partially from a curse SF as a series has. That it's biggest consumers are people who play competively, and that in some ways hinders the series ad if anything is too different, or imbalanced they won't buy it. So whole unique expressions of pushing 2D mechanics is hindered in favor of making a balanced fighter. So characters like El Fuerte, Dudley, or Hakka are few and far between.

Second is the legacy of people who play the series having there noise in the air to every other fighting game. Their attitude is largely "Who cares, SF will sell more and still be the number 1 game competively", for the most part they are right, it sells more and had the biggest tournament turnouts. But that is where this whole thing of putting the series on a pedestal has come from. A competive scene and it being the first truly defined Fighting Game, that made the genre as we know it. It does sadly mean SF players have a ego and defend the game to the death. I just feel it's a great 2D fighter, bit there are a lot of good ones do its not the king it once was and the community needs to learn that. I love it and plan of picking up SF V, but if you don't like it then it's fine. We play games to have fun, not to feel frustrated at. So just wait for Tekken 7 and all will be good. :3

Trust me I know a loooot of people that don't find the series there cup of tea.