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... Go GO AMERICA! *facepalm*

As insane as this bill sounds, it's real, and I urge everyone to get the word out about this, and do something to stop it.

What's worse, is that PETA is one of the powers behind this bill, and they're the assholes who already make an effort to prevent animal aid. The Humane Society also has a big role in wanting to pass this bill.

It may be real, but have you read it, or even the website you reference? Specifically paragraph F of Section 3.

"ANIMALS OWNED LAWFULLY PRIOR TO PROHIBI7 TION OF IMPORTATION.—This Act and regulations issued under this Act shall not interfere with the ability of any person to possess an individual animal of any species if such individual animal was legally owned by the person before the risk assessment is begun pursuant to subsection, even if such species is later prohibited from being imported under the regulations issued under this Act."

It makes it very clear that if you legally own an animal before the law takes hold, you face no fines, citations or loss of the animal.

Whatever I may think of the bill, promoting opposition through lies is not a way to win my support.

But did you also happen to take a moment to think how someone is supposed to feed their animals if nobody is selling them anymore, or their food?

You can own the animal, but cannot breed or sell it. Any bred animals are subject to confiscation and termination.

it's still retarded. are there extremely dangerous/poisonous/disease carrying animals on this list, or inoffensive animals as well?

Well technically, most poisonous or dangerous animals require a permit to be kept. Basically if this is passed, the only animals anyone will be allowed to legally own are cats, dogs, rabbits, goldfish, and farm animals... That's it.

No hamsters, geckos, guinea pigs, pythons, rats, beta fish, clown fish, iguanas, tegus, chinchillas, sugar gliders, etc.

that.... that is quite retarded... what, guinea pigs get away, fuck like hell and then invade the country or something, cuz otherwise I don't really see what's the problem...

That's the thing. There is no problem, but PETA and the Humane Society, as well as the National Conservatory Institute believes there is.

If they're so intent on reducing the impact of wild animals on native species, then why the fuck aren't they banning cats?! Cats do far more damage than Beta fish and Guinea Pigs! When's the last time you heard of mass devastation and deforestation due to hamsters?

I blame guinea pigs for Huricanes as well, DUH! everyone knows that.

That does not change the fact that the most inflammatory thing you said "any citizen found in ownership of the animals specified, will be subject to confiscation and termination of their pets." is not true. It is not good to try and drum up support with a very explicit lie.

Or that you stated they could not be owned in the US, which is also not true.

No matter what my view on the bill, this is the wrong way to fight it. You should not use such easily discovered falsehoods when you are talking about a subject, and then try to divert attention from the fact that you lied about it by changing the subject.

The bill also does not contain any restrictions I could find about supplies for legally owned animals.

It only bars the selling and breeding of them. Which means that by the time the law is fully in effect and may affect the supplies of food and such, all but the longest-lived of exotics will have died of natural causes. The long-lived ones are common enough that their supplies will remain common.

It's far too little, far too late, and is likely to be implemented wrong and ignored for the most part, just like every other law that restricts the import and ownership of animals.

There are going to be a ton of exceptions too, or it's not going to go down. Zoos and other places that protect endangered animals by breeding them are going to complicate it and turn it into just another bit of paperwork needed to breed an animal.

Do I think it should pass? No.
Have you seriously hurt my opposition to it? Yes.

Think and gets your facts right before you post something like this. It will serve you and your cause better.

It bars selling and breeding. Who's going to be selling supplies for banned animals, if nobody sells them? They won't remain common, because there is no economic reason to have them. Henceforth, it would cause any law body to question weather or not a place has the animals on the premises, don't you think?

I'm not trying to falsify anything. I'm going from what I've read and have heard from this bill. If something comes up that I missed, I will correct it. You need to think outside of the box before attacking me first of all. Examine the economic complications behind it, look at PETA's history and their hypocrite president, and then look at what kind of morons we have in congress who would rather take a blank check under the table from special interest groups, than think about what peoples' pets mean to them.

I've pointed out two things you said that are not in the bill repeatedly and you have not changed them. I told you where in the bill they were. It doesn't seem like you have any interest in telling the truth of what is written.

You also seemed to miss the point that I don't approve of the bill.
I just approve of your apparent tactics fighting it even less.

Post bill passing, should it:

No ownership thereafter of banned animals. You cannot buy a banned animal. If you buy it, you are breaking the law, and are not allowed to won it. That's what I meant.

No breeding. Offspring of your pets are subject to confiscation and termination.

What do you want from me!?

The bill does make sense to me. There are ecosystems that have been unbalanced because of invasive species, like those pythons that are taking over the alligator as top predator in the Everglades, or invasive rats that have invaded Australia. I think this bill is to help prevent such accidental releases of non-native creatures into environments that would be devastated by such animals. If anything, this bill was created because of irresponsible pet owners who let their pets escape or willingly dumped animals they didn't want to take care of anymore.

Wrong.

This bill is a bastard child of PETA, which believes that people shouldn't own animals at all. If individual states (and remember, this is the US only) want to outlaw certain animals, that's their problem. Forcing the entire country to relinquish their FISH and LIZARDS, is insane and unheard of. Especially if they are not a adamaging species.

Cats are more of a threat than house geckos. I'll leave that as my response to your argument about invasive species. And just FYI, house cats are a non-native species to North America.

also this may add onto that a story that peta started harrasing a person for buying a purebred german shepord http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news.....ain.html?yhp=1 [it even says they didnt take time to start accuseing and searching and stuff.] Yet seriusly i can understand the damageing species like that but to force every one to basicly say they cant have this pet type in home.. even if have licenses to own the pet or what not they will still be harrased cause idiots think they are trying to break the law and stuff.

PETA's hate problem with purebreds, is more vicious than people owning pets in the first place.

Damaging species are species that have caused massive destruction of and loss of wildlife in an area, uncontrollably. This bill pulls in ALL non-native species, regardless of weather they are a threat or not. So in essence, hamsters are in the same category as ball pythons. I can really see the danger they pose on America and the environment.

Except down here in florida, Snakes ARE a problem that recently gained ground due to idiots releasing them in the wild thanks to their "invasive" type beings. Some pets really should be out of the hands of people overall, like high end dangerous reptiles..Course can't vote for this either, there's pretty much damn near everything and this espouts PETA type thinking..

I do not approve of this bill at all. If it passes, I'll lose Aluze too. Losing Aldo was hard enough, but I won't stand for this

Spread the word then! Call your congressman (and actually do it, don't just say it, if you love your Aldo you'll do it).

I've already sent my letter with my own personal touch to it.

I emailed my state Congressmen, Representative, and even sent an email to President Obama.

Get as many people as you can to do the same, and post a journal to let everyone know about this. I figured this was the best place to get the word out, seeing as we're all animal people.

You won't loose your pet. Read my comment up above, or read the bill yourself. Unless Aluze is illegal now, he won't be illegal for you to have after.

yet that wont stop Peta and them for harrasing people with outlander pets so to speak. PETA would still try to force owners of those pets to get rid of them. or accuse of haveing illigal pets then use that to enforce the law. i can see so much corruption comeing from this useing this law to enforce their views on the america's freedom and if try to go aginst it your placed under arrest for defending the decloration independence.

Agreed on all counts.

I only object to the use of lies and false information in trying to fight the bill.

I'm not lying! I am adding factual evidence. You're not listening!

This reply was to a statement made based on your original post.

Hmmm, I see your point

That bill sounds terrible. Certainly I would vote against it.

Unfortunately, it's not something you can vote on. The only thing you can do is call up your congressman, and say NO TO HR 669!

OMG! WTF are they thinking?!?!?!?!
IF they even dare... I swear I'll...!

Write your Senator, Congressman, and Representative. I just got done doing so, and even mailed President Obama. Took me 15 minutes to send 4 letters.

If everyone does this, we'll have a powerful grassroots support system opposing this bill.

Already done!

Failure of this magnitude hasn't been heard of since....the marriage protection act...something tells me PEDA would flip out over the 'termination' part

On the contrary, they're accountable for more animal deaths than slaughterhouses.

lol, how ironic

i own a ferret. and signed the petition on the website. if it does get passed will it affect me?

Well, it will affect you in several ways. Since nobody would be allowed to sell ferrets, they won't be selling ferret food, toys, medicine, etc. So if your pet goes hungry, or gets sick from lack of proper nutrition, infection, or disease, he's SOL. :/

nuuu! i love my junkie! well if this does happen i guess i can change her diet to cheerios.

I believe he'll get taken.

I can understand why they are doing this, but to destroy the animals is ridiculous.

My reps Boehner so that is a good thing. I do not like this bill either.

"Non-Native Species" as in what?
The backyard bred Fennec Foxes and the Boa Constrictors ripped from their forest homes and forced to breed?

Nevermind, excuse my ignorance.
I thought this was another "SAY YES TO SNOWLEOPARDS AS PETS" things.

Thank god I live in Canada.