the power suit also requires fuel and needs to be repaired or else you can destroy parts of it. i was worried about it too but it's not as op as it seems lol

Its not the power suit itself that bugs me, or killing the deathclaw - its the whole thing happening in first mission. An action set piece, as if they were afraid people will be bored and stop playing unless there is something big happening on the screen - thus, it aint better than Call of Duty or any such game in that aspect

Well its the only action setpeice in the whole game as far as I can tell, the rest of the game is playing it rather straight. I can understand why they did it.

They couldve leave it for later and it wouldnt kill em :o

Considering it's the first real set price they've ever done for the game and did a rather awesome ode to the brotherhood of steel I think it was rather terrific. Gotta say my lore side of me got gitty when it wasn't was some "armor" you put on. It actually has girth, has its own function and because of how powerful you can make it the fact you barely make by killing the deathclaw helps new or newer players show just how hard to kill certain things are.

I wont ignore the fact that im rather a minority when it comes to disliking the new fallout - several reasons might play a part in my opinion: the fact i spent so much time on MGS5 and that i replayed both skyrim and fallout games sans the third one - but it is a good and functional game, but not great as everyone make it out to be...as for the lore part, im hardly able to play the game two hours at a time before something else insults me, or rather dissapoints me (Silent Hill homecoming was insultive, fallout 4 not so much). All in all, F4 feels like dumbed down version of F3, which was already a wathered down version of original fallout games - and seeing how fallout NV was simply amazing, seeing fallout 4 with all its new gen set pieces, horrible UI and being nothing more than skyrim with guns left me kinda cold

No worries there ^_^

A lot of the functionality of story telling gets much better the further into the game you get in the main story. At least as far as the game goes there are a lot of features to be desired. (I honestly hate not having repair function's for weapons and armor)

If you're a fan of Battlestar Galatica theres a soft nod towards that story near the end of the game. And the fact that you get to see factions play out the way they should have more so in the franchise is one reason why I enjoy it from a story standpoint (IE brotherhood of steel)

All in all, as far as games go its definitely not as buggy as Fallout:NV, haven't had the esteemed and famed first day crashes that Bethesda games are so well known for. Definitely the most stable of games they've released on a day one release to date. And like all Bethesda games there are memorable glitches and issues in the game that makes it a Bethesda game.

I enjoy the game for as far as it throws but at the moment I think a lot of the reason I enjoy it is the fact that it doesn't have all the day one issues and glitches and crashes and compatibility issues that Fallout 3 had for Windows XP (Hate HATE the Microsoft games UI) users and the lost saved files after every patch that New Vegas had on consoles and PC. There was nothing I hated more than spending hours in New Vegas only to have the game hard crash and lose 2 hours of quick saving.

This is in no way bashing your opinion, I respect anything and everything you say regarding it! I just like striking a conversation =)

As one person said "If ya dont respect opinions of others, you dont respect your own either" ;3 So yush, as a work of art, a game will garner lots of different opinions, and i respect that, even tho i might sound quite stubborn when talking about mine. With that said...

I havent played much of the game due to stop and go attitude, but i always stick to the "first 30 minutes" rule - if the game manages to grab my interest in those 30 minutes, i will stick to it. The Warhammer vermintide strikes me as a good example, since I dissed the game in first 10 minutes and never touched it since. It might seem like a strange attitude, seeing that games are much bigger than what they show in such a small time period, but most of the UI and simple mechanics that will stick throughout the whole experience will show themselves during that time. But back to topic - yes, F4 is amazingly stable, considering other games from bethesda and runs smooth as baby buttock down the slide, but the inherent problem im having with it is, as said, the consoley UI. Everything seems to take a few seconds longer than it should and switching between buttons on keyboard is as cumbersome as trying to navigate with mouse (PCs and Convos are a good example here). All in all, the game is too much streamlined for my taste - gone are the skills and actual options when it comes to conversation, the world seems both crowded and empty at the same time. At danger to sound like a conservative, its too different comparred to earlier games and character centered storyline isnt helping it either. In older fallouts, the protagonist was both a bringer of change and looking glass into the world of Fallout, while in all bethesda games (starting with morrowind), the world revolves around the character (oblivion being a sole exemption here). But, under the line, is F4 a bad game? No. Is it a game that every RPG should look and get inspired with? No. And that kinda bugs me, since im so used to binge play every single bethesda game, but with this one, i just cant - if it wasnt called fallout, then yes, it would be great, but with all the betrayals to the standards of the series, it just leaves me with sour aftertaste

So all in all, fallout 4 is one, big meh - not bad, but not good either

I play it cause i HAVE to XD Too big of a fallout fan to miss out

You can still move when the power core goes out.

Better than black ops 3.. believe me when I say this. I had to UPGRADE to windows 10 in order to play this POS on my machine. And why did I do that? Because I was comped a copy and people were waiting on my review.

Getting a cricket bat shoved up yer ass and twisted is better than playing any CoD or BF games - but thats just me

I agree, that bit made me go "Really? This soon?" And my problem with it, in the other games you needed training to use power armor. IT was something you had to work up towards. I COULD buy it if our character had such training as someone from the past, a single throw-away line would have done that.

But the bit that really made me roll my eyes was the beginning, just before you regain control inside the Vault. You can tell, they really wanted to get an emotional reaction out of the player, but it is so heavy handed and transparent, it just made me go, again, "Really?" No emotional reaction here. And it set a precedent that the game is going to continue to try and be more serious than humorous, and it's the humor that puts Fallout above other post-apocalyptic settings.

Though, for me personally, Undertale spoiled Fallout 4, as it did everything emotion-wise that Fallout 4 is trying to do, RIGHT. The first hour of that game had me on physically tense and on the verge of tears, and it's a silly, Earthbound-inspired 8-bit-ish RPG. I spend my days playing Fallout 4, but I'm still dreaming of Undertale. (RECOMENDRECOMENDRECOMEND)

Yah, i got undertale, gonna play it at sum point ^^ As for F4, I know what ya mean - "CARE FOR THESE PEOPLE!!!" the game went as i had to play with the kid and hear "I love you" several times XD

Sorry, cant hear ya over how much fun that part was, as someone who played Fallout games since the old days, it was nice to just find the PA to be pure fun.

So far its what I suspected since E3, this is Bethesdas Fallout and ironically, that's made it a far better game then 3, heck better then NV in some regards.

As far as the pacing goes, yes, its more active than fallout 3 and NV - but the games energy feels more like a child thats high on suggar and set off the leash in toy store than a fallout game

*shrugs* I have to disagree, especially since I dont see this high energy you speak of, especially if you do what's best with a Beth game and just explore, taking ya time.

So in the end I guess we have to agree to disagree, to me this is definitely a Fallout game and a Damn fun one to boot.

Playing several fallout games (yes, even the fallout shelter), having the game tossing such things as afformentioned fight and slapping you in the face with BoS invitation in just first hour of the game is basically throwing out the best cards you had to work yourself towards to in previous games. So, the dynamic of the game changed drastically towards player empowerment and i cant get away from the feeling that bethesda seemed afraid people will lose interest if they didnt get cookies every half and hour.

And "Agree do disagree" is kinda of a lost argument on this topic, since we dont stand on the oposite end of the spectrum, like me saying its the worst shit that plagued earth since E.T. for atari and you on the other hand saying its the best thing since baby jesus. Its because I love Fallout games im criticizing the whole thing, not because i hate em - i would hardly buy something that i know i will hate ;3 But, the whole idea of the exercise is to explore if the changes they did are "right or wrong"

Shouldn't use such a loaded title then if ya didn't want to give the impression of hating it (or the fact the journal only contains complaints and no compliments to balance things out)

As for empowerment, I dont see any different empowerment then what we saw in the old games, or any other protagonist, especially since ya not forced to neither accept the invite nor is it mandatory you run into it within a hour, I triggered that quest after 3-4 hours doing other things and even then I denied there offer.

How loaded the title is depends mostly on ones own perception, but quite honestly, a neutral title will never spark a conversation

But yeah, with empowerment, i meant that in older games ya needed to bust your ass and find things - in fallout 4, the game simply throws them in your lap constantly

Not really, the opening part might give that impression, but that's just a starter kit before you leap into the deep waters to find things on ya own.

Depends on a person really - im just one that puts much on first impressions, since im not buying into "the game gets really good after 10 hours" story...i want it to be great now. So far, Fallout 4 is just a big meh and not a game changer, let alone game of the year everyone says it is

More like good after 2 hours, well for me its been good since minute one, but that's personal taste for ya.

And then you realize that the game can be much harder than before regardless of having that power armor. You still need to repair it and have power cores that can be a pain to obtain lol

I never said that the game is easy or hard - im just saying that it is plagued by the stuff that is usualy reserved for more action oriented games like shooters

True, they did give it a faster pace in some areas for combat, but so far playing the game that was the only big cinima style action sequence I have seen so far. I would say this is where the line should be drawn, any further then we will see fatman launchers shooting Mountain Dew and Doritos

Ill leave that for fallout 5 in six years time, since i hardly doubt im to see another such sequence in this one ^^

That's what mods are for, how about some Thomas the tank engine death claws. Toot toot!

Mods are good and all, but i think the vanilla game should always stand on its own, since im kind of a purist like that

It's all good :) plus random thought, did you used to live with two furs (phyxis and griff?) cause your name is so dang familiar

Nawhs, since I avoid furrs like a plague in real life :o Comes with the bad fandom around these parts

Alrighty, just wondering ^^ was years ago anyway

Been enjoying it so far.

Only complaints is the companions AI can be a pain in the ass at times, and there's no person pips on the compass.
Collecting all the power armor.

Power armour feels more weighty now. Feels right. Although, the stealth armour in fallout 3 & new vegas is more my thing