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Please make sure you've read my profile - it answers most of the questions you might have.
NOTE: Blocking this account does nothing with +watch, but only prevents me from answering to you. This is how FA works.
Please wait until you've been added to DNW list or write a ticket if you want this FA behaviour to be changed.
Regarding hidden comments: I hide only those, that does not contribute in conversation (for example if they absolutely lack opinions and impressions). Others will stay, no matter if I share their point of view or not.
Please make sure you've read my profile - it answers most of the questions you might have.
NOTE: Blocking this account does nothing with +watch, but only prevents me from answering to you. This is how FA works.
Please wait until you've been added to DNW list or write a ticket if you want this FA behaviour to be changed.
Regarding hidden comments: I hide only those, that does not contribute in conversation (for example if they absolutely lack opinions and impressions). Others will stay, no matter if I share their point of view or not.
But, actually, not, no pros in watching it back. Sorry. The only con is actually using it!
If you really feel you want to be removed, I can add you to do-not-watch list (there's no automation of it yet). But let's think about options. I can offer a few of them:
1. Notify without preview (only post link, name of the submission, and your name of course);
2. Notify only the name (e.g. "Synch has posted something new");
3. Completely remove from the system (including watch from this account).
What is your opinion on all of these options? And which one would you choose?
Or maybe you have something more interesting on your mind :)
(All of these options probably will work like this: you send a note with a keyword in a subject and the bot will handle it, sending a response that the command is successfull.)
I didn't ask or be asked to be added to a botlist. I very rarely post anything and when I do, my watchers will see it through FA regardless.
Regarding your rare-posting: Have you asked your watchers, are you sure this is the only way?
You see, I watch rare-posters and it's a pain to catch them. Why do I need to go to FA every time to see nothing new? These authors never announce updates on other channels, because we don't talk in any kind of chats and they don't have a twitter. This is how the bot idea was firstly born ...after a few years of these waitings.
Besides, I don't want an automated bot taking away the joy of discovery, and there's absolutely no point in trying to sell me something that I've said I don't want and never asked to be part of.
I'm quite appalled by the fact that someone else has decided to sign me up for this and I've been added, along with what looks like A LOT of other unhappy people, to something I'd like no part of.
So I'd go with the same, please. ;)
Anyway, done. Notify me if you'll change your mind :)
People are saying they don't want ANY part of it. For the love of everything, stop being a telemarketer and trying to sell something to people that clearly aren't interested.
It's like a child with a new toy.
I'm sorry, but why do you keep writing here if it's not your thing?
I'm posting THIS reply because someone has replied to my comment in the journal. It would be rude not to. :3
I'd suggest though, that rather than trying to continue selling it to people who don't want it, is to simply politely ask them why they don't want to be involved. People are more receptive to curtesy than having something shoved down their throats ^_^
If you presonally feel that this is forcing - I'm not going to argue with you, yet I've noted it and sorry if you felt uncomfortable. Peace.
It might have been stricter than I should have been. I am sorry if it was too rude.
But I really was surprised about this. Kinda belong to those people who seem to age fast and condemn everything that is pressed on them (Which is often not good, I know!). ;)
On the othr hand I am really not famous and my little gallery can be watched here, I wouldn't know why someone wants me on this, I am really not active here. ^^;;
But you don's have to use Telegram, this service is for your watchers that liked your commissions :)
PS: I'm not entirely a bot :)
Oh, and by any chance, can I get to know who asked about adding me to that list?
Sorry if the info about it already was somewhere and I missed it
This website has delayed info, so it still shows that you've being watched, so be quick before it will catch up your removal.
(PS: I have sent you a response on your note.)
And thank you for the note response too!
i never got asked before if i want to get watched by this "watchbot" or whatever it may be called
its an unnessecary action and if i put something on FA, its FA only
i dont need something else to "notify" others about my stuff
I don't need any watchers get updates on Telegram, if they look at a submission I upload on here, they do. If they don't, then they don't.
Besides, I did not even ask to be added to this kind of system.
Thank you so much! :3
Not that I don't appreciate that someone liked my work enough to want to do this but I haven't consented to being part of this and am a little uncomfortable about it (especially considering I don't know who included me in it) so could I also request option 3 here.
As far as I know, even my friend, who has 1.5k artists in his watchlist, recieves about 0-2 messages per hour, maybe more. So it seems you have a very productive artists in your watchlist :)
To deal with it, you may turn off Telegram notifications right in a bot profile (the Notifications checkbox), so it won't bother you, while you'll still able to see the count and look at it in that bot chat.
Another way is to click "Toggle sending", which will stop sending you the submissions. When you enable it again - it won't spam you with all that you've missed, instead it will wait until something new will appear after it was enabled.
Does it sounds good to you? Tell me if you have any suggestions.
And yes, the new journals notifications are also coming, but I haven't thought about filtering them out on a keywords, thank you for the suggestion :)
Please remember, that it's not a some kind of "mass-add" bot, it's a system made for users and someone wishes to get notified about your submissions right away (of course I won't tell who, I hope you understand).
I'm going to wipe everything on a days and make a new behaviour.
After bot will scan the watchlist:
a) if the count is below the limit, it will add all users from it;
b) if the count is above the limit, it will ask user which artists he wants bot to watch.
First limit will be set to 50 or less, then we'll see if it should be raised.
Forced limit to 100 was a temporary solution, or the watchlist of this account would've been about 30k watched users, which isn't good, as you might understand. And is a prelude for a customised watch.
I wrote a bit more info about current status of this feature here https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48921231
It will be live in a few days. Sorry for the wait, I'm sometimes busy irl too.
By the way. Currently, if this account watches users that is out of your limit, it still sends the notifications about them if you have them in your watchlist.
If you'll need a limit raise - just ask. I've added the feature to raise individual limits if someone needs to. But pleeease don't be too greedy :>
I hope this will answer your question. Tell me if you want to know more.
Because if I'm reading your service at all correctly...receiving alert notifications, from this site directly, is already doing a pretty efficient job at letting me know what's happening. Having another user like a servant, give me the same notifications, but through a whole other site...sounds like the most redundant thing I've ever heard of here.
For example, you do like mobile devices and/or not always able to check out FA website. You also have a Telegram, so you just start a conversation with bot and give it a link to your profile. The bot scans your watchlist and from now on you'll get the notifications based on your own watchlist you gave him, when a new submission is published.
As you can see, it's an easy way to get a personalised notifications - you'll only get what you want. Don't be confused by the watchlist of this account, consider it as a batch, from where bot filters out individual results for its users.
Ask me if you have further questions.
But this whole Telegram backbone...am I supposed to register on this whole other site, just to receive this so-called specialized bot-patrolling. Because you must understand how that sounds, and the plenty of reasons why no one will ever comprehend the point. If that is what's involved, then I'd also like to fully opt out of this nonsense, along with what the vast majority of users you've added have asked for.
But in other words, if you had the other options, such as jabber or something, this could made a difference? I want to understand you.
Also take a look at this comment by DragoMike https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48902456 And there's more in this discussion written by Foxxel :)
It then scans my FA page to get my watch list, everyone elses and goes from there.
All for the sake of notifying them immediately when -I- post something.
Simply because they haven't the patience to wait until they log on themselves?
Even though almost everyone nowadays has some sort of tiny computer in their pocket?
No Thanks. Strip me outta the system and put me on the DNP/Do Not Add/DO NOT ANYTHING list.
It's for a pure comfort. Why call someone lazy or impatient only because they want to get more comfort? Some websites offer a personalised mail-lists, which you may enable and recieve a notifications about the updates that you follow. Facebook, for example.
Do you still wish to be removed?
I politely request the following:
-Remove my profile and userpage from the bot's watch list.
-Add me to any Do Not Add/DNP list that is available (if you have one).
I did not ask to be added to a bot list, and I do not consent. So while I do not mean to come off as rude or abrasive, I ask that you remove me at your earliest convenience.
If you have a moment, please read this comment, maybe you have some opinions about it? https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48895236
Thank you for your prompt reply.
By "done" I meant that you have been removed from the watchlist and have been listed in the do-not-watch list.
You wish to be removed from that DNW list? Because DNW is a part of the system, which prevents service users to watch you again.
This has been the rule for Chrome and Firefox Plugins for FA for years now.
Probably a useful idea is to see the latest submission and have that get filtered through the bot.
EX: If the last submission was over a year ago with no activity, no need in adding that person into the system. Help keep things flowing.
Also; yes there should be an exempt, DO NOT ADD list. But there should be a notification for users with them in there watch list to let them know that they have exempted themselves from the system (PLEASE NOTE: This is a back end Dev decision on how the system should work, its also a ethical decision so if you are reading this please do consider the pros and cons to this feature since it can cause an issue with people).
But honestly I do believe in this and feel like this is an awesome feature and do hope that FA will look at this at being an awesome little bot as long as it doesn't hurt the site performance.
Would have never found this if it didn't follow me randomly like an hour ago or so :3
I'll add this option anyway, but I'll have to make a list of keywords, obviously :)
That's how I planned it currently. Tell me if you have suggestions about this.
Of course, this is a kind of problematic, since formally artist is followed by the same live person, who watched them already and wished to get more comfortable and quick notifications about artists' updates.
If an Artist is in the list of watched ones, the bot should ask said Artist for permission before it follows that Artist. That way the service/the bot does not force itself upon unwilling users, but instead provides a service to those who really want to use it/to artists who wanna let their watchers know of uploads in more than one way.
> EX: If the last submission was over a year ago with no activity, no need in adding that person into the system. Help keep things flowing.
That's actually great idea! I should definetly add this. Also...
> I do watch a TON of artist (some have left probably or don't post anymore (Ive lost track so why I don't clear my watch list)
...the bot might tell you a list of inactive users to help you out with that.
> Would have never found this if it didn't follow me randomly like an hour ago or so :3
I never wanted a popularity :) At least for now, since it's still a beta and now I'm fixing the mistakes in a concept (for example, insane watchlist, which is not comparable to people who actually use the service).
You may tell about it to anyone, tho.
> its also a ethical decision so if you are reading this please do consider the pros and cons to this feature since it can cause an issue with people
Yes, that's a problem. I always try to tell authors to think about it if I see that they might not see the whole picture.
For now I think that FA users just got comfortable in thinking that bots are evil. Yet I don't know why some of them are not willing to think about it again, at least for this service, which is sad...
Also I have an interesting thing to think of.
Some authors asked me to reveal who used the service on them. I always decline, but I'm actually not sure what to do about it, since I don't want to get someone in trouble. This policy won't change silently of course, and I don't think I should change it.
For most people think bots as Spammers (of which this has nothing to do with that) but again having that diagram to explain pretty much what the bot is doing does help.
At this point just work on the programming and fine tuning it and probably eventually present it to someone to making it official (or approved unofficial) app that works nicely along side with FA.
What Orenthes said above:
-Remove my profile and userpage from the bot's watch list.
-Add me to any Do Not Add/DNP list that is available (if you have one).
I did not ask to be added to a bot list, and I do not consent. So while I do not mean to come off as rude or abrasive, I ask that you remove me at your earliest convenience.
I think I should remind you, that this service is for personal use to recieve notifications about updates from their own watchlists. It never shares anything with anyone who isn't already your current watcher.
So, do you still wish to be removed?
Don't get me wrong - I don't deny the usefulness of what you are trying to accomplish; I think it can be a good thing once the kinks are worked out. FA's method is inefficient and old-fashioned (FA doesn't work well with mobile platforms, for example), and this is another way, one that can reach out to many people wherever they may be, without them having to manually log in and sift through their notifications. However, I would like the choice to opt into it, rather than being forced into something that I may not want at this time.
As odd as it may sound - and I do not mean any offense by this - I do not particularly care about generating quick views, favorites, and comments. They will come in time. Or they may not. FA is a repository for my work, and no more. For artists, musicians, and other authors that wish to use this as a means to generate interest and business, however, this can be a useful tool, but this tool is not for me.
So yes, I still wish to be removed. I wish you the best of luck in your work.
Anyway, you're removed. Thank you for your time :)
Thank you.
Despite some of the comments here being very rude toward you and your service, you've been handling this very cordially, and that is very nice to see. While I'm not a fan of bots, myself, it seems like you're only trying to help out, and I think that should be appreciated by anyone, whether or not they want to be part of the service, themselves.
I wish you all the best.
If you still wish to be removed, I will do this, of course.
Done.
Pretty much helps eliminate the need to check FA "1,000" times a day for updates. This way you know that there is something from people in your watch list or a fav artist.
Also helps reduce the impact of people hitting the servers; so basically one account gets a submission and sends the alert/preview/link to all the people subscribed to the artist that posted said submission.
Made this to show how it works: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7.....JkaV9xUm8/view
The only reason to be against it is probably the fear of something they don't understand... Sadly, they're not even trying. (On a bright side, they're not that many as you might think.)
Also I want to note, that many people share the direct links in the messengers (or even reupload in social networks, so the picture posted this way is missing all the mentiones about who drew this if there's no links included in the image), not mentioning the page of that works. Instead of this, telegram bot users just forward its notifications to someone (because it's the easiest way), and these notifications always have a link to the original post and mention the author's name.
And the fact is that someone do wish to get notified, since they've added you here.
But I removed you, okay.
From reading what you had listed (I did read everything on the main page and the detailed comment you've pointed out above to others.) the adding was automatic, based on who the person who requested was watching and nothing more, and that you'd be working out a more singular method of choosing in the future. I feel that my watch was an automated one by whomever was utilizing the service, and not a fully conscious decision. Sortof a "Oh hey, I can be notified of everyone! *click*" instance, if you will.
I do appreciate your compliance with my request to unwatch me, as most other and older watch related bots would never give a person the time of day, and I do hope the service does go well for you in the future.
Yes, I do work on a better picking from the watchlists currently.
Thank you for your kind words :)
Who are you even to command me around what to do and what not to do? You have absolutely no right to.
I have also reported the bot, the behaviour of the owner and this thread to the admins. I am curious what they will say about this case.
Dear onefatpokemon - https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48901178
Oops, sorry, I thought you was watched by this account, but you wasn't. You see, I just opened a bunch of tabs (see all those hidden comments here? they were just a plain ask to remove, and they was not contributing in conversation) and clicked the unwatch links. During it I've missed that "-Watch" was actually a "+Watch". It wasn't meant to be rude gesture, just a mistake. I hope you understand. Fixed, sorry again.
Regarding request to remove other users, I need their own confirmation. Because everyone can say "we're friends".
Dear demgriff - https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48901319
It's just a suggestion and question, don't get it way too personal.
Sorry if this is offended you in some way, I'll remove this line immidiately. In any case, it was meant to be temporary, and now I have the solution.
Again, I try to keep things transparent as much as possible.
Here's the do-not-watch list I published recently https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7371247/
As you may assume, they won't get added again. Cleaning won't affect this list.
By the way, you never asked to be removed, as far as I remember.
On the contrary i find this really convenient especially for mobile platform since FA is poorly coded for viewing it on mobile devices, this comes from a person that checks it quite often, it really helps me for keeping track on lots of submissions.
We are living on an era that big online services develop mobile apps for people's convenience, FA needs one of those but that's not gonna happen, I do understand people's concerns though, a proper introduction and invitation about this bot would be nice so people can understand whats this about.
I don't mind being part of this, its not like its doing something vile.
I do hope this goes well, keep up the good work :)
I can understand that some may find it as a "creepy stalking service", but its actions are triggered by an existing FA users, who is already watching those artists. And this is the thing that, I believe, they should understand.
It may not look so, but it's hard for me to remove someone from the service for that reason. Because it's almost like to get into someone's account and remove their watch, only because that author doesn't want to be watched by a particular user group. Honestly I don't know what to do with this, I keep trying to suggest some compromises, but it's not worked out yet :(
Good luck :)
Thank you, take care :)
1) For example you has telegram and use this bot
2) Bot whoooshes through the list of artists you're already watching and adds them to it's list
3) Once bot sees that some artist made a submission, it sends a message(with a link to a submission page and a direct link to picture) to every bot user who has this artist watched
4) ???????
5) NON-PROFIT!
So basically for now it acts as if you'd check submission notifications yourself for an updates, but it does it for a group of users instead of just one, and does it once in like a 5 mins instead of many users abusing their F5 buttons.
Not only am I contacting the administration to report this invasive bot, I am contacting the FBI, CIA, and Interpol as well. I hope the person behind this bot enjoys their permanent ban in prison.
But seriously, you don't have to be paranoid, because things kept private between you and the users that use this service.
Scream if you'll change your mind :)
And now that I've had to explain the joke, it is no longer funny.
Hilarious previews in your gallery, btw :D
That's pretty much what I thought, but just wanted to make sure.
On a side note, some artists (and also me) find this service more useful especially in case of watching so-called rare-posters. (By the way, I've already mentioned this situation before https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:48896683 )
it's almost no different than people obsessively refreshing their inboxes, but just slightly more convenient now.
As I said before, users may like to share direct links instead of post links, which is a kind of a problem for authors and for users, who wish to fav a submission on FA or comment it. Sometimes it's hard to find a post having only a direct link.
In Telegram, on the other hand, there's an easiest share option - Forward message. When submission notification comes from a bot, forwarding will always contain link to a post (it also contains name of the submission, name of the author, rating and optional preview).
Therefore, from my view, this service helps not only bot users, but also artists.
Needless to say, perhaps what this bot could also be summed up in an easy to understand nutshell both in your profile, and a pinned journal, sense you can pin journals now which is neat. Unfortunately a lot of people don't like to read beyond one to two sentences.
Yes, some people having an issues being followed by some spooky service, so they wish to restrict their fans from being able to get instant notifications. Which is sad to me, because I have to be an "executor" here. Well, I'm not trying to judge them, I can understand... but when it comes to distupting users who choose to be notified... Okay, it seems I'm upset with this service as well :D
And about sentences, well, that's why I try to keep them short :) But I understood what you mean, hehe.
The fact this is actually being handled by a person (sergal? heh!) and there's an open discussion is really nice too.
And.. one? Then I hope you'll be pleased - you're watched by 7 users here :) I know, it's not much, as the userbase isn't that big for the moment (since I don't advertise the service yet for good) and this number is comparably significant.
The service is handled by a sergals, to be exact! :>
I've seen your shout before (one of the sergals pointed me at it) and was upset when it disappeared, but I'm now happy to see your full opinion here.
Thank you!
Had they ASKED and actually explained WHAT this is, there wouldn't be so many people wanting to get out.
That's one of our biggest issues - we were never asked if we wanted to be a part of this.
Believe it nor not - not everyone wants to be super popular. use this all you want, but we should have been asked if we want to participate rather than being forced into this service.
That's what a majority of the people who DON'T want this feel, from what I gather.
Who wantsss to watch through watch?
You'll never guesss... It's your own watchers! :>
In short, you are watched by me because some of your watchers wish to be notified about your new submissions via Telegram messenger.
That's how it works: they added their own FA watchlist, service scans it and adds to this account. This was made to get updates in a quick and efficient way: instead of mashing the servers through countless galleries searching for a new pics, this service fetches only one page - its own "submissions notifications", where it gets all the updates, then sends the private notifications (with page link, your and your submission name and optional preview) to those who has you in their watchlist, and finally cleans that page, so it won't get flooded.
You don't have to use it just because you ended up here :) If the bot has watched you - that means someone between your watchers wants to be notified about your updates. More to say, they've added their whole watchlist into a service to be in touch with all of their watched authors. Think of personalised private RSS feed of your watchlist; this service kind of mimics it.
The notification contains: submission name, your name, link to a post and an optional preview. These notifications sent via private messages only to those who watches you, keeping this info only between you and your watchers.
Do you still wish to remove yourself? This will take away the ability of your watchers to recieve the notifications about your submissions.
Anyway, if you really want the removal - I'll do it. I just want you to know what watch from this account means to some of your current watchers.
Bots are useful and what you're doing has a lot of potential,
I'd just like to opt out rn
Done.
Either way, this idea is really cool, and I wish you the best of luck in updating and expanding upon this rather interesting service. :3
Yes, I will need some luck since there is some nice ideas for updates, such as notifications about journals, filters for comissions/streams, etc. And of course some options for watched authors, which even won't need having a telegram to control it :)
Considering that being watched by this bot is in no way any different than being watched by any random joe schmuck, I have no idea why some are getting their panties all twisted.
Personally I'm just honored that someone wants instant notifications about my submissions.
That's sad indeed. Some of the service users miss some of removed authors already... I hope they will change their minds someday, when this service will grow in the eyes of community. I try to be more specific from one response to another when describing this service to them; never use copy-paste to produce more good points, but it's not always working. FA community just seem to be scared of bots because of (long gone?) past. And sometimes get really angry from a one single watch on them... eh.
After this is done I will make an announcement and most of the users watched by service will be purged to keep things sane. Of course there also will be a time limits for the additions/removals to prevent abuse.
But you'll still be making a lot of queries. If you're watching 11000 users who each submit even 1 picture a day that's 11000 entries into your table. I understand you'd be clearing them out, but then that's another 11000 DELETEs.
Should this realistically impact performance? No. But at the same time FA has limited how many submissions you can clear from notifications due to the queries taking too long so I'm not exactly convinced things are optimized...
But regardless, it's not up to me. We'll have to see what staff says.
As a side note, current load with 9.7k in watchlist is about 3 submissions per 5 minutes - that's less than 300 submissions per day. (I think I should make a counter for that.)
Oh and don't forget that deletition is made in batch, not for every single submission. So that's always only one delete query in a five minutes (if there's more than zero submissions to delete).
I don't mind your thing as long as it stays in the furry/anthro/fantasy niche, and if it doesn't spread everywhere around like a shitty unprotected Tumblr.
I just wish there's no effect on my real life.
For the rest, I've so often written "fuck copyright" I mostly don't care as long as it stays in the furry niche.
This bot is purposed only for FurAffinity, and won't cause any effect on real life, except maybe make it a bit easier for the bot users to track new submissions on their watchlists here on FA.
Nor it will "spread" as it's a very site-specific tool, so nothing to worry about here, it is intended to stay niched.
Hope this will help with your concerns, if not - feel free to ask.
There are other utilities out there that offer similar levels of new material following, but this is the only one I've encountered that does NOT ask me for my username and password, and that alone is a security win for me.
Since it's a centralised service, it was a no-brainer to not ask for passwords :) Which seems to play good since FA users got used to be suspicious of "bots" because of past times.
I've added a new info line about how many service users is watching that person currently. It appears upon pressing a button with their name to toggle them.
This should help to decide if it is worthwhile to keep that person in your own custom watchlist or not.
Based on this comment here, even as I juggle my 800+ watched list and try to pare down the list to get the people I'd like to watch tracked with this, I'm finding that 100 is a difficult target to stay within. Something I noticed is that a good chunk of my custom list entries are loaded on the first half of the alphabet, and even as I go back and remove some to make room for the latter half of the alphabet, I've had to skip a small sum of people in the P-T range. Could I perhaps trouble you for a limit increase, please?
Of course, it's not a problem at all :> Since you haven't told me a number, I've raised it to 500. How much do you feel it would suit you better?
By the way, it's better to poke me on a telegram directly so I could make such changes right away.
I'm thinking I can fit my missing watches in about 50-75 slots, though I'll work on evaluating that here before bed.
I'm still getting used to Telegram, and wasn't sure if it would be okay to do that, and I wasn't in a big hurry to add anything, so I don't mind waiting. :)
Question, what's the easiest way to wipe my current watch notifications in order to manually create a new list?
Good idea! From now on you can use /clear and /all commands while in edit mode.
On a main menu there's also a button "Use shared", which is enabled by default (primarely for more easy transition to a custom watchlists) and allows you to recieve notifications about persons who aren't in your custom watchlist, but exists in your FA watchlist and watched by someone else (so the service is already watching for that person). You may disable this feature simply pressing that button.
So basically, custom watchlist is a filtered FA watchlist. If you want to recieve notifications only about your custom watchlist - you should disable "Use shared" on a main menu, which disables FA watchlist.
Sorry about the possible confusion :)
A quick helpful thing.. FA doesn't escape certain characters that it allows in filenames properly, such as [ or ]. A sed replace or similar to swap them for %5B and %5D respectively would make the links work properly on telegram.
Thanks for this awesome service!
That's the thing I've missed, thanks for noticing it :) I hope special symbols in links and captions are now properly escaped.
Personally I love this idea and may even sign up for it myself!
I noticed the bot removed it's initial watch and then watched my account again. Was that because a second person requested to get notifications from my account and the bot needs to "re-watch" for every request? or was that after a change to the bot and the main watch list needed a refresh?
Sadly there've been a slight behavior bug that now has been fixed, causing the bot to drop a lot of previously watched accounts(and those who's intended to be watched too) from its watch list,
And nope, this was an unexpected bug, not a normal behavior, by which no excessive re-watches are needed.
Thank you for your response and kind words =)
Yeah, sorry about that unfortunate incident... :( I won't let something like this happen again.
The service tries to be very gently, so it removes only by a little portitions and after waiting for some time, to prevent possible readdition abuse from users. I probably will raise that time up to 1 day tomorrow. Therefore, when user removes you and then adds you back - service don't do anything with FA (it even don't ever request its watchlist) if this happened before removed person gets removed from this accounts' watchlist.
Nope, this was due to a minor glitch, which is now fixed.
Sorry for any inconvenience it might've caused, there's a short explanation here in a thread just above, http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:48954506
I think the owner of this account will provide more detailed information if needed :3
Unfortunately, your case wasn't a glitch... Everyone who was watching you did not set up their custom watchlists yet, so that was a planned cleanup, sorry :<
When custom watchlist is not set up (for users signed up before Feb 14) - it cuts to first 100 persons in their FA watchlist when their watchlists are huge. Since your name starts on "w" it just got cut for them.
Thank you.
Okay, diplomacy-override of my own comment since I totally sounded like a bitch. :p Let me try this again.
It simply upsets me greatly how anyone can take offense out of a non-sentient bot doing a helpful thing, alerting people about new submissions. Blows my mind how last-century that attitude is :T
I only hope it will get better. It's kinda sad that some artists prefer to opt-out for some of their watchers. Maybe this should be a collective decision between artist and users, when the artists want to stop the service watch...
First of all: Will you ever make a small statistics page where one can see which artists people want to get notifications for the most? Would be curious to get an overview. xD
Secondly: What I'm missing with the notifications is a snippet of the submission description. The way it is now, having a direct link to the post AND the picture file, is that it is all too easy to just download, fap and leave without ever visiting the page of the artist.
People cannot see if there is anything meaningful written into the description, so ideally you would truncate that text and add a "visit the submission to read more!" link at the end of a small portion of it, like regular RSS feeds would do it. After all interaction is important and you need to encourage that. :D
Also >o> Why does the bot say words with a stretched sss at the end? At first I thought they were mere typos but there's a reason behind that, yush?
And another nice suggestion! I'll do this right after I finish two new features I'm working on this evening: new journals notifications and rating switch. So I'll do this in a few hours, I think :)
Thank you! If you have anything else in your mind - just tell me.
Always your,
hissing sergalsss~ :>
And I made an inclusion of descriptions :) If you have previews enabled - you will see them.
I hope they won't cause much trouble, since I haven't fixed the tricky formatting bug yet, that was found by Chorca http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:48945341
.. *WAITING*
Tell me if you'll see something strange.
But will get handled by a cronjob later? :P
Tell me if you think there's something wrong with it and I'll sort it out. But from my own, friends' and some users observation - there's no problems in lost deliveries.
By the way, it's not a cronjobs, but threading :) Much more control over the things going on. Also if anything gets interrupted this way (update, for example) - it always restores from the point it was stopped.
By submitting art to FA, the FA system itself already distributes messages to users. This is just an extension of that. It's not sending spam or bothering the watched artists in any way at all. I don't use Telegram, but I can imagine this is a useful service for some, so I hope you are able to carry on without getting banned by a trigger-happy admin (of which there are plenty here!)
Anyway, if some user feels that their favourite artist should be excluded from DNW list, it's up to them to convince that artists in doing so. But I should warn, that some of them are pretty angry about this service, so you may also get in a trouble talking to such people and probably get blocked by them :( So my advice: don't be too pushy about this.
On a side note: when new person is put on the DNW list, users, who watch them in the service, gets notified about this.
Thank you :>
This bot does nothing bad and will affect you in only positive ways.
It allows your watchers to receive updates via Telegram (a mobile messenger app) when you post journals or submissions to Furaffinity. It links directly to the submission/journal and will not take any traffic away from your content. All it does is allow people to be notified directly when you post something.
Frankly, I think this is a great idea. How do I contact the bot on telegram? Just send a message?
After you enter the bot name (@FAwatchbot) in search and pressing on its name - you should see a welcome text in a dialog and there also should be a big Start button on a bottom of it. Just press it and it will allow the bot to contact you. On that point you should see a message from a bot, asking you to drop your FA profile link.
I tried to make it easy to use, so I hope you wont get confused with its interface :)
I do not want to be mean, rude or anything, but while I am no against the program, but I did not ask to become part of this and i prefer to submint and follow artist by my own, so... Can i be removed from this?
Please...
Thanks :)
But sure. Done.
Do you mind telling more about this experience? You can write me on a note to keep it between us, but here in comments would be better to anyone who might be interested as well.
Honestly it would probably be best if you would leave a shout or even note artists to ask if they want to participate... It's kind of rude to just draft them into something they never asked for. :\
Thanks in advance, and I wish you the best.
Anyway, I think I get you correctly. Done.
I will never do such thing like you have suggested, because no one likes spam, obviously.
Please read the bottom comment I just wrote http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:49127990
Thank you.
About consent thoughts, please read the comment below http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:49127990
When someone you watched disallows you from watching, will it be okay? (I must remind you, that +block still allows to watch, if blocked person is already watching. There's no way to remove someone from watching you.)
Maybe you should speak to your own watchers with a journal post about this, asking them if they are okay with your removal?
Just a friendly suggestion. Because this affects only your current watchers personally, not this service. (Less users and less watches is actually better for the service.)
(And just a thought: When FA will make a new realtime notifications about submissions, will they add an option for artist to not be sent this way? I doubt so.)
The big difference between knowing people are going to be +Watching you and this service is that the +Watching is something the artist personally agrees and acknowledges when they make an account and post things to it. They are informed.
I'm not saying people aren't informed about this service, as the information is right on the front page if a person checks the person who started following them (like I do with everyone who follows me), but I AM saying that the fact that the artist in question isn't aware of this until After the fact is something that causes concern.
The service you're providing is a nice one, in my opinion, but I can understand why people are leery of being added to it, since there was no way for them to know until after the fact. Which, however unintentionally, can come across as forcing their consent and that tends to cause discomfort. (also I think a lot of us don't like the fact that blocking someone only keeps them from commenting on your work/comments directly. I know I'd prefer a more complete block.)
I disagree, however, that a person should make a journal asking followers if they're alright with them not being a part of this service. As their consent was not needed to be on this list, it's a little like asking people to go to a person who has kidnapped them and asking them if it's okay if they protest the kidnapping and if their feelings won't be hurt if they leave. (not the best of analogies, sorry, I am functioning on low caffeine at the moment) If someone wants to be off the list, it's okay to ask what the reason is, and to maybe mention that they could put up a journal alerting people that they are now on the Do Not Watch list for this service, but that's about all it should be. I realize you probably didn't mean for it to come out this way, but it really sounds like guilt-tripping when you put that bit into your comment.
(and about the last bit; when/if FA puts something like this onto the site -however unlikely I think that may be- that is something that users will have/be agreeing to through the site itself, rather than a stranger (although I'm sure you're lovely) setting up a bot to send to watchers (not that they even know WHO it is that did so) on a third party site (no matter how secure).)
I, personally, think this service is benign and really more of a help than a hindrance, but I understand why people are worried about this and I don't think this tactic of leaving a guilt-trip-feeling message will help make your point to anyone.
Anyways, that's my other chunk of text.
Thank you for the insight. It's really the thing I'm thinking of for quiet a some time.
I could do the notifications, but that leads to an unsolved problem: How?
1) Shouts are way too visible and they will look more like an advert;
2) Notes are nicer, but getting them from automated service is like getting a spam on your email.
Both variants will produce unwanted negative impression at first, so some recepients will probably write back immidiately, without reading further about this service at all. And I really doubt that they will write without blind hate (it was happened already to me a couple times).
Also I would like to mention a few other things:
Authors who knows about the service and would like to opt-out of it - aren't that many, actually.
As mentioned before, I have experienced some hateful behaviour and for that reason I decided to keep the usernames private from watched authors. I don't want to get them into a troubles or start a drama of any kind. All I can tell is the number of watchers. I might be wrong of course, but what is a better solution?
Oh and I don't force to write here if someone wants to opt-out. about third of DNW persons contacted me by telegram and notes. Speaking of which...
When the person is put on DNW all of their watchers in service gets notified and also recieves a link to a full DNW list (it's a journal entry as well).
I wish to find a way to make watched persons to be notified in a good way, to not stumble on a blind rage or just not to make them feel bothered. But again, I don't know how, yet I keep thinking about it.
How about using the bot for malicious intent?
Say am artist blocked a use for whatever reason, with the notifications if the user figured out that they could spam the user using the bot, there would be trouble.
Well, I removed one part of a code and we'll see if it will happen again or not...
Sorry about that.
And no, it's not possible to use nor (easy) transfer a single FA account on other Telegram account. Once it's created on a service - it gets bound in between and the only way to transfer or remove it is to poke me directly.
Also I think I finally traced down the issue and it should be fixed.
(This happened only for the new users. Turns out the user template was changing on a rare circumstances.)
Then you'll be in the main menu. To disable others you need to disable "Use shared" (which is enabled by default).
From now on, users will not recieve notifications while in edit mode.
But what kind of data do you worried exactly? The main thing you may be worried about is the link between FA username and Telegram ID (it's impossible to get phone number in any way). The service has only the minimum data needed to operate, such as FA username, Telegram ID, FA watchlist and the service settings.
Believe it or not, I made this service for myself and a couple friends, then made it public so other people could enjoy it as well. As I said before, the less users is better for the service, I'm not interested to make it popular and to gather something. But yes, I have a plans about putting it on github later, after I finish some other big features that I have in mind (yet I'm busy currently IRL).
For example, this account have 10 new submissions in queue. The service gets 7 oldest and seeds them, leaving 3 more for the next time.
On weekends the count of submissions may get up to 70-100, and on a holidays about 150, so... it might be delayed. Well, I guess it's time to raise to 10 submissions limit (done!).
PS: Thanks for the shout, I'm glad to be found handy :>
I've actually managed to get a BUNCH of good, quick-going commission slots through this bot, though, so thank you very much! :D
Anyway, I'm happy that you're happy! ^.^
I would first like to say that this is a neat idea. I totally understand the use behind it. I know I have a lot of followers who can't get to their computers or FA accounts, so that makes things both overwhelming when they can, and also means they might miss out on time sensitive things like auctions. Super neat idea.
However, I am a little wibbly about this whole 'you the artist have no say in this, you're just automatically put into the program'. Which, if I'm reading this right, is really the main issue a lot of artists are having.
I think, at least for me, it would have been nice to get a notice (from either the person wanting me on the list, or just an automated message from this account) Asking if it was okay for me to be added to the system. I would have agreed (and I am mostly fine with this as it went down now), and then everyone's happy! But it would allow people the chance to opt out, and sometimes that's all people need to feel okay with something. I now some people watch a TON of artists, so it'd be somewhat problematic, but I think it's a good compromise and would lead to a lot less of, understandable, discomfort with being added to something that feels more invasive than simply +Watching someone (whether it is or not isn't my point -although the main point of difference between +Watching someone and this is that this is going to a third party, no matter how secure, I think. It's just a thing that feels a little worrying, at least to me).
As it is, I'm alright with being on someone's list in the system, but maybe this is something that could get polished a little more?
This post got long, whoops.
Long story short - the notice feature for newly added accounts, some other minor automations and polishing were intended to be added a bit later, as this bot is still in development, but unfortunately the creator is a bit busy to work on it for now. It is updated though once in a while with minor tweaks, but those bigger tweaks are yet to come, so no worries =)
Thanks for your response and opinion on this little fluffy bot =)
I think I answered on both of your comments here http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:49479249
Just looking for some brief clarity on some of the nuances of this bot.
Thanks in advance,
~Puppy
Here are a few statements answering your questions:
1. This FA account helps to keep the FA server load at the lowest point possibe, while watching thousands of users. Basically speaking, the service fetches only its "new submissions" page to get all the updates, instead of thousands of individual galleries. (A bit more info about it is in the profile.)
2. This service only watches persons who was checked to watch on the bot by the service users (there's a custom lists for each user).
3. The users however restricted to use only their own FA watchlists as a source. There's no way to add into a service (or watch submissions from) someone who user don't actually watch on FA.
Now let's sum up these statements: Someone, who use this service, was already watching you on the FA and decided to watch your account on the service. And this FA account helps to keep the FA load low.
About revealing users... I want you to understand that some of the watched persons was very toxic to me and demanded to reveal who was added them to the service (probably to make more drama out of that). After this I decided not to reveal anything personal, to protect them from the troubles (well, I'm sorry). Yet I'm still not sure if I should or should not change this policy. I'm always open to discuss this issue!
A side note for the service users: Before any of you get worried about the statement above, I want to note that even if this policy will be changed, I will not reveal such info immidiately. Instead, I will make an announcement inside a Telegram and here on a week (or more) before that change will go live. So don't worry, there will be no sudden moves :)
What I currently can tell is numbers. For example, I can tell how many users watch someone (maybe I should make a page about it with live updates?).
I'll be happy to answer more questions if you have some :)
This account IS the database keeping track of the bot and users. So, the bot goes through this page, and not directly through the FA server.
As for me, I don't need to know explicitly who is following the group. I just was curious about how many people were using the bot to follow. BTW, as a moderator myself, I can sympathise with the drama and toxicity! Your operation here is 100% legal and not really that invasive. The whole process is also very transparent, so I have no problems with it.
~Puppy
There's the database on a service itself, which holds FA username, FA watchlist, Telegram ID and the settings - the only needed things to make the service work. Yet there's only one exception - Telegram username. It is used in case when there's something goes wrong with the service account and I need to quickly hunt down the problem (happened a few times).
It seems your account has 7 watchers on a service, by the way.
Thank you for your kind words! :>
I understand what you are trying to achieve, it's neat idea, but i think it's not exactly something i would go with as i didn't ask for it, thank you & have a nice day
Done.
Hey thanks so much for the hard work you've put into this, as someone whos being followed and a new user to this I wanna thank you so much <3 This is something I've wanted for so long and I finally have it!
Cheers!
The comments is mostly made due to not reading or not understanding what is this, imho... But who am I to force it if they get uncomfortable with it, eh.
On a bright side, DNW list is public, service users always gets notified through Telegram about additions and removals on that list, and may freely talk to that persons who is in there (which I often do), so maybe that will turn out nicely for everyone :)
no sergal stuff here anyway, only dragons.
So. As far as I understand, you haven't get the point of the service, so let me explain it to you in a few sentences: This service is just a notification delivery about new submissions. It works only if the service user (that added you) already has you in their FA watchlist. Therefore, the service watched you only because someone, who is already was watching you on FA, also wished to get notified about your newest submissions without sitting in a browser and hitting F5 :)
If you will change your mind, just write me.
if someone is already watching me, they can find me when they check their own list on this website. it's called a daily routine. also known to some as a habit. or daily browsing. take your pick. if i was an artist, maybe i'd care more. but the most irksome thing, and many have said the same thing, was no notification. if its a PERSON watching, than who cares. but you're using it as a service controlled by a bot that uses FA's systems as a database. and i'm not okay with that. there's nothing i can do to stop you, it's not my decision, and not my business. but like telemarketers, i can say bugger off politely.
so all that aside, i'm being nice in this sentence. thank you for removing me, and please be sure i'm on the do not watch list. thank you and good day.
Also I want to note that "many have said" isn't actually the number that should called "many", for my point of view. I get more feedback out of this journal, both negative and positive from authors. Don't get confused. (Here I should note that I don't censor comments here, except stated in a body of the journal entry.)
And please, don't judge what is better to everyone by your own habits. It's always hard to fit everyone's tastes, which I actually do by thinking about the feedback and asking for the opinions (again, not only in this journal). But of course, I respect the right to be removed. More to say, I've added DNW list after I got a 3rd compliant from an artists, just third. Because anything counts if it makes sense.
So I think you understand that I'm always really opened to any suggestions about how to make the service not only better, but also friendly for an artists, and if you have something in your mind - please go ahead :) I really want to hear a thoughts from someone who wished to be removed. Maybe it's possible to find a compromise, not only for you in person, but for other artists who wished to be removed or just feeling uncomfortable about this service.
PS: It's almost not possible to be removed without ending up in DNW list, to be sure the service will not bother you again in future. So yes, I'm sure you're there :)
And don't try to force your POV on people who don't want it. It'll make them want it even less. People say no, that's a no, not a "Perhaps if s/he continues trying to shove it down my throat I'll change my mind"
I just don't like other people signing me up for things, or people trying to sell me something I don't want :3
Basically, someone who uses telegram AND uses this bot, have your page watched, and added to the bot's list so he can get notified when you post something - both on FA and through bot in Telegram.
The bot just scans it's users watchlists and generates a list of artists they wish to include in the ln the "i want to get notified when they post anything" sub-list. then adds artists from that one to it's own "watched artists" list here on FA, so it can track new submissions.
Hope that clears your confusion =)
If you're going to run a stupid thing like this that you have to fucking OP OUT OF, you should be much more responsive on here. And you shouldn't just sign people up for this crap, I know many artist hate when people do stuff like this, trying to "Help them". Something like this should be something you have to op into, not something you have to op out of, and reading trough the previous messages you've gotten, you might want to look into swapping to OP IN. I'm not even an artist and I have zero interest being on this stupid list, I only want art I commission on pages I know about, the artist page(s) and my page if the artist is ok with it. So instead of letting ANYONE ADD YOU TO THE LIST, make it so THE ARTIST HAS TO ADD THEMSELVES
And speaking of this.. little something about this problem was said already in this thread http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:49479249
I'll relay your request to be removed from this service to the owner, it'll be done as soon as possible.
If I wanted to be in a list like this, I should have been asked first, like a message saying that someone wanted to get notifications on Telegram whenever I post something, and then followed by asking if I'm ok with it or not. And I'm not ok with it seeing as how I was pretty much forced into it, and didn't give me a choice into it.
But thank you for having them remove me, make sure they have me on list to NEVER BE PUT BACK IN
Since whoever added me to this bot can see my posts on here, they already get a notification on FA
I'll never do this. The spammy notifications about this would enrage people, don't you think?
Also "classic" bots works fully silent, scraping your gallery without your acknowledge at all. And there's an apps that runs per account and makes the same notifications, also without your acknowledge.
Unlike this service, who gets you into a watchlist and lets you contact me for a support or tuning.
Now you're in DNW list. A list that prevents your account to be added here again.
PS: You've been forced to be in many others' watchlists, who probably aren't okay to remove you by your request...
And I mean, with others watching me is different then the bot, since others are watching me to see stuff I commission, but the bot is to link others too what I post, which is something they will already see when they look at FA. And I do apologize for being snappy, it's just 3 days for a response on something like this is awhile, but thank you either way for removing me.
It's because someone from those 660+ people who has your page watched uses telegram and this bot, so the bot added you too and now they can get notifications when you post something
(I know you're trying to keep civil and personal opinions out of it, but I'll just say it for the rest of us, that I'm so annoyed at the ignorance of the many users here that opted out without even fully understanding the benefit that this is) especially the ones who want and tried to report it XD
Anyway, thanks again<3
Thank you for your kind words :>
But I'm still really confused.
From what I've gathered... someone on telegram wants this bot to watch me so they get notifications when I upload things?
What if I don't use telegram?
You don't have to use Telegram. This service is only a notification service that someone from your watchers decided to use, so they will be notified via IM in Telegram right away when you submit something new.
If I was more popular with how many people watched and talked to me, I would be fine with this telegram bot sending updates. It seems like an efficient way to get notified about posts other users make quickly on a phone or other device. But since I only have two watchers that I do not even currently talk to, I can only assume that there must be a person(s) stalking my page. Though it's not difficult to view this profile, I'd rather make it a bit more "uncomfortable" for them to get any updates.
This may not make sense to anyone, and that's OK, but whatever. It's what I'm requesting. Again, if you would so kindly remove me from this watch list and add me to the DNP (I think that's what it's called) portion, I would be very much grateful.
Also, is there a way to view/know who wants to get updates on whose profile? If there is, I'd like to see who requested my page for any posts I make. Thank you
Poke me if you'll change your mind :>
But still, watchers on FA are the same "stalkers". Maybe some of them feel uncomfortable to contact people, or maybe just try to be efficient with their own time, or maybe they even want to impress you with speed of faving/commenting :) There's many reasons can be. Also it's not a first time when new FA artist gets watched by this service, I've seen it a few times (artists contacted me, like you did). I think it tells about something good, not creepy :)
And, I'm sorry, but I have a rule to not reveal who is watching who (after an avoided accidents), I only can tell how many of your watchers using this service (only one in your case).
Not sure why people are so upset about it. This sort of personalized goods consumption is half the reason the internet is so much better than TV, you can tailor every "channel" whichever way you like.
Edit: oh it opens https://telegram.me/fafeat
It doesn't require a password, just a link and a watchlist, so is there any other measure that stops people from using your service from gleaning information that they would otherwise be forbidden from?
If that's the case, would you mind removing me from the list or put on the DNP list or whatever it is, please?
Is it okay to remove you from that DNW list after confirmation of ownership will be implemented?
Speaking of which, after it will be implemented, I will give a couple weeks for existing users to confirm their accounts, to ensure that everyone is legitimate.
Sorry about the delay, it was a busy month...
Also it's impossible to remove you "completely", since the do-not-watch list is necessary in your case to avoid letting your account to be added back again by someone.
PS: I wonder, where people get that "completely" word from... It's simply on/off switch, nothing more, so there's nothing to remove O_o
The bot is cool but I am not sure if its something I would be using enough to warrent keeping it on my Telegram. Also I apologize for everyone who cant seem to read the other messages before commenting to complain about something
If you just want to stop using the bot in Telegram use the stop button in bot info =) (just like with any other telegram bot)
If someone watches you on FA there's a list of those users. Is this available to people who don't use telegram (or anyone in general)?
The reason is quite sad actually. I had a few agressive encounters in which they also tried to order to reveal who watched them to continue the drama with them. These persons didn't wanted to hear why they were watched and what's going on here. So I had to make this rule for myself, I hope you understand.
Luckily I haven't seen such people for months already, so I hope there will be an info page with service watchlists. After next version will be released with new DB, I think (which happen in a month or two, depending on how much free time I will have).
But I can tell the numbers, they never hurt :) You are watched by 20 users.
Yet it is still possible to pretend as another user... But what's the point to use someone else's watchlist? It's just a notifications, after all, and I honestly don't see a big problem around it (but I agree, it is still a problem!). Of course, since you all concerned, it will be fixed asap. I can't work on a service right now, but I'll try to do it on this week, since I have a time now.
More info about the solution will be available later. Thanks.
As an artist, I actually feel pretty happy that someone is interested in my stuff so much that they want TG notifications. I think this bot is a wonderful idea, and I really don't understand people who want to be removed from it, as it does only good. Actually, this might be the most useful FA related tool ever!
It might have some shortcomings yet, but if you keep listening to feedback as you seem to have done so far, and keep improving it and addressing issues it will be fine!
Keep up the good work!
Yes, I am always listening! Almost every single suggestion is implemented, even those, that was coming only from a single users. Also users have created @fachatroom group where we discuss upcoming features sometimes.
And literally right now I'm working on authentification, that was bothered some of the authors.
Thank you :>
Starting today, FA account ownership confirmation is in effect for all service users.
The service itself is fully usable without confirmation for one week, within which users will need to confirm their ownership.
Confirmation is made using FA notes. The message will contain an activation code, that should be entered in a bot like "/auth 12345".
New users get the code automatically, existing users should send /auth command to a bot to recieve a note.
Unconfirmed account expiration date (and also the confirmation status) shown in a /help.
I'm not really a artist and everything I post is stuff done for me by friends and other people I know.
I kinda feel comfortable if only people that watch me here on FA see what I repost from friends of mine and others.
Anyway, you've been put to do-not-watch list. Poke me if you'll change your mind.
Okay and yeah I will if I do change my mind.
So I guess that being watched by this account means that someone out there likes my stuff enough to be IMMEDIATELY notified whenever I upload something? Is that basically the gist of it?
If that's the case, then I suppose I ought to be flattered (if I knew it was)... and I'm completely baffled about what exactly people are getting all up-in-arms about here, like what's the point, I cannot see what there is to complain about???
You have been watched by this account because some of your actual FA watchers would like to recieve notifications about your new submissions through Telegram IM.
Based on my experience, people like page links to fav, view comment and something like that. So yeah, I'd say it might bring more favs/views on you, why not. Also you might get a feedback right away after posting something, isn't it nice? :) (Well, not right away of course, it takes up to 10 minutes to deliver the notification, depending on how many notifications is in service queue.)
Well, at least I know some service users who requested to recieve new journals notifications for this cause :)
Thank you.
A few questions and comments:
Is there a way to know who started subscribing to you? I'm curious to know, but I think you said a few months ago that you didn't want to reveal that information. Has that changed at all, and if not, what are your thoughts on an optional opt-in “let this person know you started following them” option?
Why do you think a lot of people seem very against the bot? I think it may have a lot to do with the user profile description. There's a lot of information there, but it's quite hard to find what most people would care about.
For users, that would be this:
“When someone from your watchlist submits something (submission or journal, it's up to you) - you will recieve a notification in Telegram with an optional preview.”
For artists, that would be this:
“If you found yourself in a watchlist of this account - that means users of this service has you in their FA watchlist and enabled the notifications about your submissions to be sent in a private message.”
I think for a person wondering what the heck this is supposed to be, it's needlessly verbose and buried. That might be why so many people seem to want to reject the bot. (The “Sergals” name isn't very descriptive, either :P)
Might I suggest putting a short, easy to read summary at the very top? Such as:
What is this?
Sergals helps deliver instant notifications about new submissions and journals to Telegram users.
Why did I get watched?
Someone who watches you here on FA also wanted to get a Telegram notification as soon as you upload a new submission or journal!
I get FA notifications like 1S, 2J already. Why is this useful?
It's true you can already see when a new submission or journal was posted on FA. But you need to manually check FA to do that. This bot automatically lets you know what's new wherever you are by sending a notification to your Telegram account, much like a Facebook or Twitter notification!
How can I get notifications for someone?
<Instructions here>
...etc
Hope you found this useful, thanks!
First of all, sorry for not answering right away, I was really busy lately :(
> Is there a way to know who started subscribing to you?
Yes, I don't provide personal informations since some incidents. So far I can tell only the numbers.
Short story behind this: I have met some unfriendly people, raging about getting watched and demanding to reveal names to continue drama with them. (Some threatened me with harassment reports (wat), one of them even screenshoted sent report, eh. But they didn't mention that it is they who harassed me on Telegram over FA, eh.)
I wish I could change this, to be more opened. Your suggestion is really nice, I like it. Probably new users will be with revealed FA usernames by default, and current will be only notified about this new feature that they might enable. Also option to reveal Telegram username, because some would like to meet new people :)
Then I will be dealing with web interface to display thousands of records, that'll be fun. After this will be done, it will be released.
> Why do you think a lot of people seem very against the bot?
Because FA users got sick with useless watchbots here (also that's the other reason of "sergals" name - to not draw hatred right away). Now things got better, fortunately :)
> I think it may have a lot to do with the user profile description. There's a lot of information there, but it's quite hard to find what most people would care about.
I totally agree, it begs to be rewritten. All I did is just adding new important notes there, almost never rewriting anything. Because I check this account to answer comments mostly. But when I add something new to the profile, it's about some changes in a service that I have just made and have no stamina left to make a pretty profile ~.~ So, yeah.
Thank you for a suggestion and for poking me about this issue! I'll try to find an info about FA formatting tags and will think about new profile text right now.
Service users are now able to allow this website to show their usernames and service watchlists by a simple options in a bot menu, while numbers for watched persons is shown anyway.
That's really cool and I can see a few for myself. And thanks for taking my suggestions on making this account's user page more informative! (I actually had to read them to remember what this was about, and it actually did a good job telling me)
Since mid-september there's an actual unwatch queue implemented, so when there is no watchers left for the week - this person gets unwatched.
Maybe someone rewatches you for a month? Weird :) If you want, I will dig deeper into this, but I don't think there's a bug.
PS: Sorry, I was really busy lately :(
If no one is left watching some artist for a week - that artist gets unwatched by this service.
Maybe I should raise this period for two weeks or even month? One word and I'll do it :)
There's a thingy that restores broken watches (it can happen rarely on a power loss for example).
When service user gets disabled (when blocks the bot, or just haven't confirmed account ownership in time), their watchlist become abandoned and then queued to unwatch if no other users watch them.
Then the restoration thingy gets all them back on the same day, because it wasn't respecting disabled users at all. And that's the bug.
Now it is fixed, sorry about it!
It won't happen again.
could you add a filter to "FCFS" or "First Come First Serve" terms so those don't update? Not for me but for every artist. Telegram users would gain a massive advantage in taking those slots, while many like me don't even own a phone and couldn't register at all, we are hopeless in those competitions if there is a Sergals watcher participating.
hmmmmm >.<
You see, on the other hand, those who have more time to spend on a web have advantage over those who don't (if not Telegram). Actually that's the reason why I was asked to add journals numerous times.
Also there's an old group in Telegram for artists posting their ads (not linked to this service at all), which looks like an advantage over FA users as well.
Sorry to hear about the phone. If you accept my suggestion, maybe you might ask friends or relatives to use theirs to register an account. It only needs one SMS code to get desktop Telegram authentificated. I've heared some furs do this.
friends or relatives
friends or relatives
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Sorry about that and thank you for the message.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:51351645
Anyway, done.
I found myself +Watched by you a couple of days ago; I went through the replies here in this Journal post a couple of hours ago and found and looked through the Telegram homepage (at least for PC/Desktops) and I'm glad I gave some thought to how I felt about Telegram notifications for other +Watchers who wish to use it for FA notifications regarding my work here, prior to posting you now.
As far as I can tell, all Telegram will do in the case of a notification of new posted work, journals or updates for FA +Watched artists & users, is exactly that: a notification, which would prompt a given Telegram user who is using it as a assistant +Watched artist update, and nothing else. As long as this is the case, I have no problem with any of my +Watchers who would like to do so, i.e., to use Telegram to update them instantly to a new post on my public account.
I appreciate you letting me know that Telegram may be used by some of my +Watchers as a way for them to know when I post something new; I had no idea Telegram existed prior to your post and my looking into it, although it makes very reasonable sense that a platform like this (if not more than one) would exist by now. I'd appreciate you replying to my post, so I know you're aware of how I'm looking at Telegram's use.
Thanks, and have your Sergalselves a good one!
-2Paw.
That's right, it's just a notifications. I try to convince service users to use FA more and I believe they do :) At least from what I've heared and seen.
Some artists even asked me to make a promotional group, where they can share their advert notifications easely (YCHs for example). And people joined this group to be in touch :)
Telegram became very active in furry comunity, even it's creator knows about how many furries around there, hehe :) On a next month VoIP is coming (rumors, based on client source changes), so it can replace Skype completely.
Thank you for your comment!
PS: https://fabot.xyz/watchlist/fa/twopaw/
WIP website and not many users allowed this website to show their usernames, but hey, it's just a start.
On a home page overall numbers can be found.
Is all good. 2Paw is not a particularly busy guy usually, so understands that other folks may be considerably moreso. You're very welcome for the comment; I'm glad I took a look at Telegram's homepage and gave myself a better idea of what precisely my +Watchers who would use it for update notifications would be seeing, and the limits of what Telegram would, then, provide thus; I admit I was taken a bit aback in knowing that some of my +Watchers had included Telegram, not knowing anything really about it myself, but I'm glad I took the time to look into it before I declined or permitted it, one way or another.
I'm not big on the use of social networks, but if Telegram and its use as a notification provider stays within its limits as such, I have no problem at all having it used by +Watchers of mine who've chosen to make use of it. Thank you for +Watching me yourself, leading to my investigating Telegram as a result, and thank you for posting me said link!
Cheers, and have all of yourselves a good one!
-2Paw.
I don't get all those people denying to have their stuff appear real-time in some of their watcher's devices:P Looks like nothing but a bias...
I don't like bot/fake watchers but this one seems like nothing but an extension of somebody else's valid watch to real-time notifications FA doesn't offer.
I can understand the anger when some random website gets your stuff posted there behind your back(omg I demand getting added to DNP then too, so only I am allowed to post my stuff there if I ever decided to), but heck, it's NOT one of those cases O_o
So no, I don't get it.
I don't even understand how there can be an DNP for this... this way those 'artists' deny their very watchers having the comfort of using this:/
I'm wondering... if you didn't have suchc a DNP list and did your job anyway regardless of the given artit's baws, would the FA staff actually punish you if they reported you for watching them? O_o I was never inerested in that and I know very well (from a different category) that the AUP and ToS are not actually complete with all the necessary information...(:()
Some users told me that they reported this account (back in spring), one even provided me a screenshot of their ticket, but nothing happened. Well, actually that screenshot was about harrasment. Just think about it: harrasment with a +watch. (And I got literally harrased by that person in Telegram, while on that screenshot he wrote that he was polite to me.)
So, I guess better to step off the train rails if the train can't be stopped. And there we have it.
Thank you for your comment :)
So much fuss and butthurt about a +watch, this is the most riddiculus in all this xD Be it from 'just' a few people, it's still pathetic to see :P
I'm wondering what would they do if you disabled notes, comments in all journals and disabled the shouts(if it was possible, eh, I wish it would be someday...)... generally speaking if this account was uncontactable(sadly, impossible):P
I'm glad to see FA staff is wiser about it and don't react at all for anything concerning this account :)
Yeah, I'm glad too. And working hard to further limit the amount of requests to FA, just in case.
Also, my only constructive criticism is please never make the opt-out process a private thing. I love sharing your frustration by reading through this page. Don't deny us the satisfaction of ridiculing these people.
(reminds me :D)
But what can we do about it? I don't like stress, and don't want to cause it to anyone.
There's also software exist for the same purpose - to make notifications about new submissions. But it works 100% silent from artists and no one noticing it because it works per user, using their very own login/password.
And what FA users do with links, direct or not, is out of the control. TG notifications, on the other hand, even forwarded still preserve post link, caption and description, so anyone can go to that FA post and fav/comment it. What can I do more?
I'm upset about it. Oh well. :\
If someone told me "stop watching me" I would just ignore them.
If that person doesn't get the point of this service, that's a dead-end and probably should be avoided.
If they get the point and still want to restrict their watchers, then it's their decision, like disabling the FA account.
And some people just block the bot without a single word.
2- Are people opting out going to be a problem? I'd at least like it to notify me if the person I watched opted out
I hope this gets developed more. Telegram is pretty much the only app on my phone that functions. Everything else is so loaded with spyware that it is unusable. Ideally I'd get some sort of browser I can use from telegram, but having the main sites I use work from the app is a good first step
1) As it's said in bot's description here on FA - just ask =) Also done
2) If the person opts out and goes to DNW list everyone who has them in their watch lists are notified by bot
I love the idea of this bot since it allows to be able to both the watcher get notified right away and act fast about things like quick commissions and such. As for the artist, this comes in handy so that the bot users know right away when you post stuff and will be the first ones to favourite/comment.
I see this as just a simple tool for people with Telegram to get notified when their favourite artist posts stuff, and has nothing to do with the artist. It's kind of like an e-mail notification of a forum post you've posted on when you think about it.
While I'm not planning to use the bot since I have no need for it (yet), keep up the good work. Hopefully the opt-outers aren't bringing your mood down to continue developing the bot.
So, thank you! <3
There are things to be done, to make a better service ratings, since I'm adding an additional websites (FN/SF/etc) support for it, and they have a different rating systems that I have to implement. When this thing will be sorted out, I'll make a checkboxes instead of a switch.
Thanks for a suggestion :)
But I could ask kindly if I could be removed aka I´m asking for option 3.
From what I have seen, this bot seems to be harmless, but atm I´m not ready for that ^//^
Done. Tell me if you will decide to come back!
Btw, I'm fine with being listed. I'm just curious who wanted me to be watched by this bot. Is there a way I can find that out?
Here's where you can find out info about your watchers https://fabot.xyz/watchlist/fa/codyberry/ (please note that this website is incomplete)
I plan to remake it from scratch after some more important tasks will be completed. As a temporary workaround I will enable full updates to be ran every 6 hours from now on, at least they are working fine :)
Please check again - https://fabot.xyz/watchlist/fa/~wiggle~/
Considering the amount of people who feel uncomfortable with being on the list, my suggestion would be that there was a section on the F.A.Q. in the profile description, about how you could be removed from the system / change the settings like the three options you described instead of having to go to this journal to find any information about it - Might feel less "enforcing" for some people if they're easily presented with with a way to opt out, a bit like the 'Unsubscribe' link in Newsletter Mails
Cheers!~ ♥
Tbh, I'm surprised that someone ever notes the options inside comments. But anyway...
There are two goals of not mentioning DNW. First of all, most requesters don't even bother to read anything, and when they get in comments - some of them getting in doubt about their first assumption and finally read info about the service. The other one is to make it a bit harder to get into DNW, which I'm actually sorry for. It's always a loss when someone wants to be excluded, and service users knows it best - they are often asking me to get rid of DNW at all, to reject artists' requests. But I'm trying my best to sattisfy both sides, so here we have it... Again, I'm sorry for doing this :( It's a hard topic overall, discussed a few times in a comments above, actually.
(It is may be interesting, that on FN never was any problems, and on SF only one compliant popped up so far.)
Quick question. Any plans on adding support for Inkbunny?
Thank you and keep up the good worK!
I'm trying to sort out my other work to have a free time to continue... So stay tuned, I hope they will be soon :)
Thenk you!
I noticed I've gotten a notification of my own submission, and wondered if it has been that way for long and I've just forgotten or if I have stumbled on a bug of some sorts.
This was introduced since Nov 16 :) You probably checked to watch yourself -or- someone watched you and you have "use shared" option enabled.
This made me think, should it exclude self-notifications casted by use-shared? Because now I think that it should, since it's impossible to remove yourself from the source watchlist.
And while I hear this suggestion time to time, I also hear responses stating that some users will leave the service just because it started to gather passwords. And they are right, this isn't nice thing to gather such information... Better safe than sorry.
But I can suggest you to give a try to FA browser extentions or dedicated FA notification software. Afaik they won't work with mobile devices, but it's better than nothing :)
i believe its on Firefox too but i don't use it so idk
Here's the comment regarding same problem http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:48950711
but i do have a question! would this give out personal info like my own telegram? i dont really care if im added to a bot, especially since it makes me feel glad that someone wants quicker access to my art! but im just afraid of being added randomly if its out in the open.
Don't worry about that, the data is not shared with anyone until you want it. Even if artist asks me for that. And I won't change this policy without multiple notifications within a month before making these changes. But I really doubt it will be needed. In any case, keep in mind that every big change is announced with private message in Telegram.
Telegram username is hidden by default from showing up on https://fabot.xyz but you can hide your FA username as well (yet I don't recommend it, because you can't hide yourself from appearing on artist's FA watchers list, so I suggest to keep it that way).
Also, DB and the rest of the service is hosted on its own dedicated hardware (my little playground for my own projects) which isn't shared and can't be accessed by anyone but me.
Of course, this applicable to service users. As for the artists, there's no info gathered about them at all, because... why? :)
You will need to manually click the watchlist button to refresh the list. It will also tell you who has been added to your list and who was removed.
No one is asked to be watched by someone, and this is basically the same with one difference - you're watched by the same watchers you already have, not someone else.
Anyway, done. You're now in Do-Not-Watch list.
Just moved to a new address: http://sergals.shy.cat/ - this one will stay for a long time :)
That makes sure people don't get mad at you.
And to be honest, I'm with them.
Simply put: I feel spied by _someone_ who use _your service_ to get notifications while he/she/it could be already blocked by me because XYZ.
If your system was like first getting a memo of "Hey MaDrow, user XYZ wants to get notifies via Telegram. That requires a watch from sergals. Are you ok with that? (y/n)" and then an approval or a denial from my side based on who user XYZ is, then it would be ok for me.
But how everything is implemented now. Gimme Option 3 for all the sites (FA/IB/SF/FN/Weasyl/AnyOtherSiteInTheFuture)
Also fabot.xyz is down with vague Russian text instead. Not really helpful to gain some trust!
"Hey, user of the website you're currently on wants an on-site notifications about your submissions. [Allow] [Reject]"
Yes, just on-site. And now imagine this requests for DA/SF that have mobile app for that exact purpose (and no one will ever know who's getting your notifications through apps). Also there's some stand-alone apps for the same but personal use, for FA - browser extension for Chrome and app for Windows. You'll never know.
Why am I comparing to them? Because there's no art website that I know that require you to allow watching for you. But on a same time, our small solution allows you to see who's using it, who's recieving notifications about you. And users actually ask to reject opt-out requests...
Again, we're open about it, and you know that you're wanted that much that one of your watcher decided to get more instant notifications about your submissions :)
Huh, fabot.xyz is already stolen by some cybersquatters? That's kinda fast :) Btw, there's new address for a couple months already - sergals.shy.cat (but currently it's broken for a few weeks, sorry :( I've planned to fix it on this month, that's high-priority for me, but work is higher).
However, the difference from a user watching me or a user getting a notification of my new fart is that I know a person is tracking me (and not every watcher is worth to be proud to be watched for example SJW'sT). While in case of your bot I don't get any info of who is tracking me.
Huh, fabot.xyz is already stolen by some cybersquatters? That's kinda fast :) Btw, there's new address for a couple months already - sergals.shy.cat (but currently it's broken for a few weeks, sorry :( I've planned to fix it on this month, that's high-priority for me, but work is higher).*facepalm* You just discovered your domain got expired and cybersquatted? Siiiiiiigh....
When you don't know what you're doing or have too less time for it, you could rather pull the plug out.
FYI: You're sapping on someone's else (personal) information and they can't shield you off. Only you and the persons who use your bot have _gain_, while the ones who are watched by your bot _suffer_
So, did you already applied Option 3 to me or did you pull the plug out?
You've been auto-unwatched some time ago as it seems. Also it seems you was actually requested DNW and I thought it was a part of conversation. In that case, you're added to DNW.
I found long ago a site where we could see who Watched us with this. Can I link again please?
But be warned, currently it is broken for no reason :( I cannot fix it currently because of big amount of work. Bad timing for it to break... In next couple weeks I will see what I can do about it.
PS: You've been watched by two users.
But the Link dosent work for me when I put my name in so I'm curious of who's watching me?
Seems working by now :) It seems currently you're being watched by @baralust, toxatto and warrfoxx (providing their usernames since they're applied to show them on a website; it could be more)
(Frankly I’m suprised that baralust has me on there cause how good his art is)
But I thankyou kindly that you got back to me on this
You've been added to the "do not watch" list as requested.
And there are no top limits. For example, most popular artists currently have hundreds of watchers, up to half thousand.
But... Why do you think so? It is clearly stated that nothing is gathered except required info of a service user: Telegram username, FA username, FA watchlist, that's all. And that's the policy of our service, to have only required info.
Also no posts gets saved inside the service to keep DB as small as possible. In fact, absolutely nothing is gathered regarding the authors, simply because there's no need to do that.
Our - the people who don't want anything to do with this - understanding of what this is and how it works is one of your biggest two issues.
I've re read your front page at least five times now, and it's still confusing to me. It SOUNDS like you're posting OUR art to other sites. What I'm getting from the tiny front page is you're posting our stuff on other links to 'get attention' to us.
Whether you are or not, that's what it appears you're doing. For people who DON'T have the telegram thing, or know what it is, this is exactly what it sounds like.
More detail, explaining WHAT the hell telegram is, and just explaining what you're doing in general will REALLY help out your cause.
And what if we don't WANT to be involved with it?
We don't want every single thing we do to be so publicly announced?
I'm not on whatever this 'telegram' thing is, and I don't like the idea that whoever furry in whatever it is can just pop over.
Think about this; some people, who have few watchers, posts and what have you, while it may SEEM like they don't have enough of a following for you people, MIGHT WANT IT THAT WAY.
There may be some VERY personal reasons they don't want something like this bot following them.
some people - believe it nor not - don't want HOARDS of people following their every move, and may have some issues dealing with so many people, or maybe they only do art for friends.
People can get very uncomfortable with the idea of being watched by unwanted people.
{In case you weren't aware, some furries take things WAY to far, and people might not want to have to deal with that}
And if our watchers get notified wherever we post art already why would we need this anyway?
You say it helps people that allow the BOT to do this, but I've allowed it for a while {during the time I was trying to figure it out} and NOTHING has changed for me. You claim it helps people watch favorite, and bid on things from me and others like me?
Literally NOTHING has changed.
Your BIGGEST issue with everyone despising this is the fact that it just happens.
Normally people have to ASK the person if they want to be a part of this. {consent and all that.}
I doubt you would be getting half the hate you are if you had sent a MESSAGE to the person, explaining simply what you do, HOW you do it, and even why.
Give US the option to join or not.
We're feeling like we were FORCED into doing something we may not want to do.
And you laughing at us people who are uncomfortable with the idea with OTHER people in the comments isn't helping you.
We're seeing the person who's supposed to be helping us, laugh in our faces about not wanting to join?
What's wrong with not wanting to do this?
It's our decision, even though we didn't have the first say in it, WE decide what we want done, do we not?
I've scrolled through a lot of them trying to understand what's going on, and YOU essentially laughing at people who simply DON'T want to be involved with this, are uncomfortable and were FORCED into having to deal with this is NOT helping you.
Remember; this post is to HELP the people - not alienate them.
Most of the people who don't want to be a part of this feel uncomfortable about it as it is, and just searching for help and trying to see what's happening and finding really insulting comments about it makes this whole thing even worse.
"LOL. Why don't people want to be a part of this? Its awesome!"
Well, maybe not from someone else's perspective. we have a right to want to leave a service we never agreed to join in the first place. This may be great for some people , and for those trying to win the race in popularity, but some people don't want that.
Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it should STILL be respectful of people who just don't want any part of it.
Again, your BIGGEST issue is simply NOT asking if we even want to be a part of this.
Keep up the good work.
I have a problem with stalkers and this would just make their lives so much easier. So while I can appreciate the thought behind this service, I would really appreciate it if you'd put me on the DNW list.
Thank you!
You've been added to DNW as requsted
If you ask me, you're doing this stuff with at least two other people, and of course are doing an amazing job! Please keep it up! And don't let these idiots who let fear and other negative emotions run your life! While it is true that there is free will to remove themselves from here, its also not necessary to add more negative happen-stances to the person who is in fact running this bot!
BUT, to all of those here who WERE in fact POLITE, or at least NOT intending to be negative, congratulations! You know how to treat another person like a person unlike other people here! Please keep doing that cause its exemplary behavior!
Also to you who runs this, I apologize on behalf of the nice people here on FA and in the Furry community who feel bad for you experiencing this. It feels like our responsibility to take care of this. Why? Well its the sense of "OH NO OUR KIND IS FUCKING UP!! WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS!". As in we feel compelled to help others who seem to get a bad rep for literally just the reason of "People are overreacting and being shitheads" (excluding those who are polite or nice about this!). So again I apologize for you experiencing this, this could have easily been shut down by you, but if you ask me, you're doing something additional to which other users won't ever do!
For any other people who ask to be removed, PLEASE DO IT POLITELY! Its alright to be worried or scared, vocalize it properly! Just cause you have a bot notification doesn't mean you should run scared to whoever runs it and come off completely insane and or disgustingly toxic, let a day or two pass and then come coordinated.
I also don't speak on behalf of this bot or its owner, anyone who sees personalized views is entirely mine and mine alone. The only thing I see here is a person doing what they want to do and make a bot for people who have no time to check FA or whatever other reason.
Please keep up your work! I'm again, sorry for what you had to endure here.
On the last note to those being toxic: Toxicity is NOT OKAY, it slows down progression of many things. OVERWATCH, an FPS game is HALTED to a near molasses-like slow down of putting out new characters with playstyles for different attributes because of TOXIC PLAYERS and dealing with them properly!
Stop your whining, stop your arrogance, stop your ire, stop yourself from being that way. Its NOT OKAY BEHAVIOR! And no, Toxicity is not necessary or OKAY to have! We're not back in the times of where science was halted by religion, we're past that! Stop saying Toxicity is okay!
Here I would like to note that I've received no negative feedback on other websites (well, there was only one negative comment on SoFurry) and completely no requests for DNW.
As of exemplary, I've introduced this service as non-parasitic like others. And it worked out already :) People seem to accept that this "good" kind can also exist.
So I still have a faith in community :) Overall it's not that bad than it could possibly be; to be honest, I've expected much much worse at the start.
Of course, sometimes people tend to forget that I'm a real person, not a "company" of some kind... But that's the other side of the story, I guess. In any case, I always open and willing to talk about concerning things if there are any.
Thank you! Really
<3
Carry on Mr. sergal.
That and deeply curious as to who watched me (re-watched me technically?) through the bot.
You can see who's watching you here http://sergals.shy.cat/watchlist/fa/tisfoolish/ but I can't reveal users having privacy enabled, of course.
Imagine that you have artist A in your watchlist here on FA. That's "FA watchlist".
When you did not check to watch A on a bot, you will still receive their notifications, because someone else did. (This feature can be disabled.) That's the second number called "receives notifications". (Little background: this is made in order to limit the growth of sergals account watchlist without sacrificing user's abilities.)
And the last one, "having in a bot watchlist", means that you have checked A on a bot.
Right?
And yaaaay, more drama below! :O
(Just to clarify for others reading this: "anyone" who is already watched on FA by the bot AND by that user; there's no way to receive notifications for persons who aren't +watched on FA by that user.)
No one forces you to use Telegram as much as no one forces you to use approved browsers to browse FA. It's user's choice, after all; it's watchers who associated with Telegram, not artists. Keep in mind that everyone's art is circulating in Telegram and other IMs - people tend to share links with each other anyway. (And this service uses private messages for notifications, btw.)
I'll never do spam asking for a permission because this is the worst thing I can imagine to pester people.
(I have only heard the name) and I cant stand bot accounts. Also I am having problems
with 2 users on FA that are stalking me and FA refuses to do ANYTHING about it.
So I also want to know WHO said to watch me. The 2 users are a HUGE part as to why I
no longer upload here. Also wanted to say you should ASK PEOPLE FIRST if they would
be interested in something like this rather than just assuming yes and bot watch people.
How would YOU feel if you had my problem and a bot
watched you by request of who very well be YOUR
STALKER?
So are you incapable of reading? I want to know WHO
made you watch me! Pm me here if you want to protect
Their name. Seriously though I have a RIGHT to know
Who this person was ESPECIALLY if they are one of
my problem users they has called my number telling
Me to fucking kill myself!
Since this has happened I have been extremely paranoid.
Again you can note the name though, if it WAS one of them
It would be fucked up to defend them but whatever.
2. There's a public list of users of who following who.
2.1. Since you're in DNW it is now impossible to see who was watching you, sorry. DNW is an exclusion mechanism after all.
3. Users are free to hide their identities, but most aren't doing so (and I advice not to hide).
3.1. To be honest, I wanted to get rid of this option at some point, but the new EU General Data Protection Regulation states to have this option for users (yet FA have no such option it so far). Because this is a worldwide service, this also applies to non-EU users. (Also this service already had this option before, since some artists were too aggressive about this humble +watch and wanted to punish their watchers for this.)
for so many reasons. I did NOT give you my consent! I have 2 FUCKING STALKERS ON HERE! They
have harassed me, block evaded, and tried to ruin my reputation along with spreading lies and tried
to even TURN MY CLOSE FRIENDS ON ME!
Because of fucking assholes I NO LONGER POST ART HERE! I likely will never post
ANYTHING on here because I do NOT feel safe! Admins refuse to do anything about this
because they DO NOT ACCEPT SCREEN CAPS AS EVIDENCE!
I want to know WHO chose to have me watched because I have them BLOCKED!
ON EVERY FUCKING SITE I AM ON! I dont even know what telegram is! I have only
heard about that site. There is a DAMN GOOD CHANCE one of them did this as a way to
get around my blocks!
When I come home tonight from my job around 12am EST and I am NOT removed and
you REFUSE to tell me WHO had me watched, I will submit a TT and poke at Neer
for help.
If THAT plan fails then I will archive this journal and your profile and file a beware!
For ANYONE that wants to call me childish, immature, or say I am overreacting
how about YOU try to enjoy yourself on the internet just to be met with DEATH THREATS!
Or have one of them FIND YOUR PHONE NUMBER and PRANK CALL YOU! Just ANYTHING
they can do to make you fucking MISERABLE!
You have till MIDNIGHT - 12a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
I'm not playing around...
Still waiting.
Though, one major request would be to allow people to add more than one FA account (same for other sires) Sadly I got to split my content up.
(I already answered you in Telegram on this, I just couldn't take time to post my answer here.)
To change bot linked account you can ask me directly. Just tell me if you wish to change it and it will be done.
This is done only manually to prevent some abuse of the service.
Regarding multiple website accounts on one Telegram account - I will think about it, since I'd like to have this feature too. It is completely impossible currently without some code rewrites, but I have an idea how to do it relatively painless :)
There's much work to do on a work, so no promises on ETA for now, sorry.
Mad props to the maintainers for having patience to deal with irrational and technologically illiterate users and receiving little to no thanks for it.
To be fair, people tend to thank me mostly in Telegram, not here. But here are the most detailed and valuable messages I receive, I really appreciate it :)
Oh irony... Just had a "nice" conversation in Telegram with someone asking to put them into DNW because they're thinking that the service "is not secure" because it allows users to hide themselves O_o I was writing a long detailed responses explaining everything and after their another question ...they suddenly blocked me, while I was typing another detailed reply. *sigh* I probably need a hobby like one Aggretsuko has, heh.
I just thought this journal could use some actual positivity too, even though I am sure that most lurkers are aware that those dissatisfied with something are way, way louder than the other side.
And I feel you on that, block functions seems to be mostly used these days as a way to plug your ears with fingers and yelling "lalalala I can't hear you and I got the last word" instead of getting rid of actual harassment and such, which is a great shame and a bit infuriating.
Well basically you're added to this account's watchlist only if someone who is already watching you on FA has checked to watch you on bot in Telegram messenger. So yeah, it's sort of manual but totally not "all the artists".
Please remove me from the watch list, remove me from your system, yes to "option 3" as stated all the way at the top, yes I am sure I do not wish to partake in this.
I've read the majority of the 500+ comments here and I am still not pursued to want to take part.
Thank you.
You've been added to DNW list as requested.
The more words that have to be used to explain something, especially something that can *appear* invasive, the more afraid people who aren't as tech savvy are going to be about it.......
It's a decent enough thing and by all means not a new concept, but the profile and previously pushy/telemarketer-esque responses make it sound more complicated than it is and like there's more the developer wants out of it than to provide a harmless service LOL
It would be wise to not belittle the people who are concerned about their privacy in those remarks, though. I was more tempted to not be part of this just by the behaviour and not the concept, but I don't care that much.
Maybe things I've said was a bit complicated, but I had a trouble explaining it, and probably still have if you're thinking so. Oh well, another reason why orlangur is answering for me sometimes.
(Just in case: I'm totally not trying to offend, it's me just being sad about things.)
Anyway, thanks for the comment.
You have to remember that what's not complicated to you may be a completely alien concept to another, neutrality and simplicity in responding to the people who are essentially the customers is key.
You made this, it's your baby, so it's understandable that you'll be unhappy when someone isn't going with it, but that's just their right to decide as much as it's your right to offer. Keep your chin up and just polish your communication and things will work more favorably.
I would like it if your bot unwatched me, since it has no real purpose to my art and I don't want people who are not following my FA, to follow my art and journals.
Please remove me.
I did not consent to this.
I will also be filing a ticket against this account as I feel this system has been abused to bring me harm.
If you hide this comment it will still be linked to the ticket I will be posting along with this system.
Thank you very much.
You have been added th the do-not-watch list as you requested.
And regarding the concern about people who aren't watching your FA page: the bot can not by design let just anyone add you to their notification list. Only those who already watch you on FA are be able to add you to their personal bot's list to receive notifications about your art and/or journals.
Even if I have them blocked, they can still make a new account and watch me, using that to abuse your system.
Just some feedback, and also a heads up~
It's a great tool for Witch-hunts.
But, what happens if I don't have Telegram ^^;
Also, is not for being rude but, can you unwatch me? Because I had a lot of problems with bots years ago
Not much happens, it's just a convenient way for your watchers to get a fresh notifications through a bot on Telegram =)
Anyway~ wish granted, you're added to do-not-watch list
The reason why it watches you is just to make periodical checks MUCH less resource-hungry for FA servers: the service looks into one single page of its own "new submissions" instead of bashing every artist gallery for updates. That's basically it.
So if you decide to revoke DNW - it is possible :)
That option 3? ^^
option 3 from the list if thats ok, thank you ^-^
Ok, done
Also why have a 'database link' when it doesn't even show who it's watching and such?
FA does not force unwatch someone who is blocked, so they are actually allowed to watch you through FA.
FA limitations for blocks only work for +watch (only after unwatch), comments and notes. So I can't help with that since this service is not affiliated with FA.
Furthermore, nothing stops anyone to simply going to your gallery for updates both anonymously or under block (yes, blocking someone does not hide your activity on FA from them, like on a Twitter, for example).
Why not show everyone's names? Because of GPDR I explained in this comment https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:54522748
Done, you're in DNW.
Sorry for the delay, you've been added to the do not watch list
I do find it quite concerning that there is no mention of who it was that initiated me being watched by a bot - like you mention above, GDPR is at play here and there are certain limits with regards to how much you can actually reveal. Out of curiousity, how are my rights being respected with regards to GDPR as well? My account is only visible for users only, yet a service like this seems to act as a proxy in which a user who is not logged in (or even a non-user of FA!) will be able to see how frequently I can upload at the very least. If I dare assume the worst though, for all I know this service might provide a preview service that could potentially reveal sensitive titles or descriptions or even thumbnails on an entirely different service! That would most certainly violate GDPR I'm sure.
So with regards to that I'd very much like to be removed from this completely please. It might be more useful for people who upload frequently to get more exposure, but not all of us want that.
Thanks.
I've added you to DNW list as you've requested, and as for GDPR related questions is it ok if the answers gonna be a bit late? Bot owner's a bit busy these days unfortunately.
As for the question on GDPR, it was partly rhetorical but to also make aware that for this service to function correctly it has to process and store data about me. Given GDPR strongly leans towards opt-in policies over opt-out, that could prove to be quite problematic in the long run.
I'll also reiterate my concern about the bot acting as a proxy as it occurs to me that the bot may find itself relaying NSFW submissions to SFW-only users. In particular, there are direct links to the submissions that circumvent FAs adult filters (though tbh anybody could copy/paste the direct links anyway, so that's more on FA if anyone else). Just something to note.
I think in an ideal world, for telegram notifications FA would do well to utilise the telegram API to notify watchers when someone submits a relevant item. The process might look something like this:
1) A watcher gets an FA account and links/authorises their telegram account. (I'm making a crass generalisation about the telegram API here, but if it's anything like github then have a private key generated by telegram to authorise FA to notify a users account)
2) A watcher watches someone on FA
3) The watched uploads something. As part of the submission process, it triggers a to send a message to watchers with linked telegram accounts.
4) If the volume of processing is a particular concern, possibly consider using a message broker like ActiveMQ to handle sending the data at a reasonable rate instead of just in one go
Yes, I'm terribly busy lately, sorry about that...
The service highly respects users-only setting to a level that no one can access your submissions (even without users-only setting) using the service without both:
a. having account and
b. having you in their watchlist.
Therefore your service (bot) watchers are your real FA watchers.
About your possible solution: That's ideal world, indeed :) But I'm afraid with FA devs pace this might take another decade to something like this will become available... Speaking of APIs, only FN have full API access without any hacks, yet it does not provide eventing services like webhooks you're mentioned. Even SF's API can't provide the required endpoints for the service to function, so I had to "hack" their website as well. Doing my best to lower the FA impact as much as possible by having a watchlist for this (to not bash everyone's galleries).
Speaking of consents and all that stuff, dA and SF has mobile applications covering the same functionality as the service (and you can't opt-out of it as I'm aware). FA does not have one, so there we have it.
There're also multiple third-party apps for this and they not only require a user to provide login and password but also work invisible and you, as an author, will never know that someone is using it. Maybe even without having you in their watchlist, who knows.
But I'm playing fair, after all. The fact you're watched by someone is revealed, and you may see their username on a dedicated website (if they aren't hiding it). Even DNW is available...
It's an account for the Telegram instant messenger bot that basically just relays notifications about your new submissions to your existing FA watchers.
It watches you when at least one of them wants to be instantly notified when you submit something new. (there's also some details on how it works in this account's description)
Hope that answers your question, but if there's more - feel free to ask.
All this seems uneasy and not okay for people who you know, didn’t, opt in.
As for why they'd decide to get notified.. well, that's up for them tbh, i can't tell.
And if you're not okay with this bot watching you - there's always the do-not-watch list. Which means you'll get unwatched by this account and remain so until you ask to be removed from that DNW list personally.
This could be an accident as well, when user adds everyone to a service watchlist. Or they don't want to miss the moment you decide to post something. Who knows...
I politely request the following:
-Remove my profile and userpage from the bot's watch list.
-Would like to know who had me watched.
-Add me to any Do Not Add/DNP list that is available (if you have one).
I did not ask to be added to a bot list, and I do not consent. So while I do not mean to come off as rude or abrasive, I ask that you remove me at your earliest convenience.
You can check who's watching you via this link http://sergals.shy.cat/watchlist/fa/Fluff-Off/
Since it won't be possible to do this after you're in do-not-watch list i suggest you check it first and once you're done just reply to this comment, i'll add you to DNW
https://spyware.neocities.org/artic...../telegram.html
This is just a notification service to better connect with you as an author. Some sites like DeviantArt do this the same thing with their native apps with no option to prevent this, because why would anyone want this? FA has no option to prevent watching you rather than make your account private. Only SoFurry has an option to publish stuff only for friends, but that's an exception. Also, there are even browser extensions for that (only for PCs) and dedicated applications, and you'll never know if someone is using them.
If this is correct, then you should just disable "Use shared" option under FurAffinity settings. This option enables you to receive notifications from other persons watched by the bot, effectively expanding the your watch limits, which you don't want to. (This still works by your watchlist, of course.)
This isn't a discussion journal at all.
I checked right now and it works fine. http://sergals.shy.cat/watchlist/fa.....raceratherium/
wasnt even been looked at, i'm stating this here again
i want to get put on the DNW list
if my followers really wanna see the stuff i'm getting / posting / whatever you wanna call it, they can get to it by just daily routine
i dont give a flip about those notifications on telegram
Sorry for the delay, you're now in DNW list.
Make sure you've unchecked "use shared", then check if those people on your FA watchlist are marked with "+" on bot, that should fix this hopefully.
I've tried three times to message feathers since that's where the bot mentions to ask for help or chat to no reply in a span of months.
You should poke me again if I'm not answering - there're a LOTS of dialogues and I keep missing some of them, unfortunately... Sorry about that.
I'm going to get mad over something that doesn't affect me and I'll never notice again other than the first watch.
No idea why some people want to be removed? It's like putting themselves on the e621 blacklist too, it's just removing yourself from a convenience service. At least stuff like your DNW journal and the e621 blacklist is a handy list of arrogant artists not to commission. ;)
Hehe :P
Maybe it's the past "watchbot plague" (useless ones) memories that painted similar-acting things this way in others' minds, I don't know. It's the internet after all, why would someone post here if they're against a notifications about it even for their own legitimate watchers... (And I like that you got the other side behind the idea of that list :) )
As for bot functions - it does send BOTH direct and "/view/**" links BUT only from those accounts that are on FA user's watchlist here.
Like for example:
- you have artists B, C, D watched on FA,
- bot also has artists A, E, F, G in it's watchlist,
but it won't send you submissions from A, E, F, G as they're not in your watchlist.
Basically it's the same as looking at your own "/msg/submissions" page but inside the Telegram messenger.
Thanks, really love your bot and keep it up!
(also thanks =))
I've consulted a bit and this looks like a known issue. Try unticking the "use shared" in settings, that might help
If only I had more free time to check by more often... I hope I will soon
Done, you're in DNW now, have a nice day =)
Or do they just assume they're talking to a bot, and ergo are allowed to get as disrespectful as they want with it?
I wonder how they will react if FA will release their own mobile app :) Might help to calm things down a bit, at least.
Thanks!
I don't recall sighing up for this, and would like to NOT have my art posted on sites and to people who I've NEVER had any interactions with.
I would have liked to have been ASKED if I want to be a part of this BEFORE I was signed up, as most people DO, but . . .
"Sergals helps deliver instant notifications about new submissions and journals from various furry websites to Telegram IM users."
This?
This right here I'm not comfortable with.
I don't do art often enough or well enough to fell comfortable thinking people I may have blocked - for a specific reason - can just see what I'm doing constantly.
I don't like the idea of whatever this is posting my things around to sites I'm not aware of.
I am NOT a part of %99 of furry sites/groups and communities, and frankly I only have a FA account to follow a personal friend of mine.
Having issues prior of people STEALING my art/characters by similar means {posting 'UPDATEs!' on sites I'm not aware of} and such I rarely post anything anymore.
I would like, very much, to be completely removed from this immediately.
From what I can make of this, based on the comments I've seen below, I have NO NEED of people knowing IMMEDIATELY if or when I post anything.
Again, I don't appreciate having been signed up for a service I don't want.
Also, this service is merely a notifications to a messenger (not a website) that you have posted something new. No reuploads are made if you don't count the title of these submissions.
And done, you're in DNW list now.
I don't want anything to do with a site I have no interest in joining.
I post my art on sites I actually use and care about. Frankly I don't even post here. If I wanted my friends to know exactly the moment I post my art, it will be directly to our private Discord server. Like I said, I only have a FA for a friend of mine who had one. I do not like this site, or a majority of the people here, I'm not looking for another site like it.
People don't need to be notified immediately when I post something. They'll see it when they see it, being immediately notified whenever anyone does something.
Again, they get the notification when they have the time to sit down and enjoy it.
This feels like it's encouraging people to be distracted while they should be doing something else. Might just be me.
And thank you.
A simple ask if I wanted to be a part of this before hand would have kept comments like this from your 'service' ...
Waste of time is when you're coming on a website in hopes to see updates from someone, but there's none. Instead, you can tap on your messenger where you are most of the time anyway. And I'm not talking about you exactly. Just there's no need to question others' time management, it's their life to deal with and their choices :) If you don't like something doesn't mean others shouldn't like it too. No need to be angry about it.
By the way, there are some other personal services like this one, but they work stealthily. You never know someone is using them on you. In contrast, we're transparent.
Also, as I've said here (earlier these years), it is obvious that spamming everyone with useless "can I haz??" is a much more efficient way to annoy everyone. I will never do this. And remember: there's no rule or a direct order to have DNW list for this service, but here we have it.
Wish you a good day!
And how is that different than the person finding the art on their own? This is an unnecessary 'service' by your own words.
And what's wrong with not seeing anything new from people you follow? Being freed from confining yourself to only the people you KNOW may allow you to look around for other artists while you wait for the ones you DO watch to post again?
How is having the time to look around at NEW artists and their are a waste of time?
And, maybe I just have a life, but I'm not always on messenger. I don't need to know when people fart.
I'm not saying no one can enjoy it, but the fact that I was TOLD I was going to be a part of something is kind of rude to assume everyone wants to be a part of it.
Signing people up without their consent is something you should NOT take lightly.
I'm pissed at you and your service, because you assumed I wanted to be a part of something.
Once again, a simple; "hey, this is our service, this is what we do, would you like to be a part of it?' would have stopped all of this from me, and from what I see, MANY other people here.
Because sighing people up without consent is against most laws, and most companies can't get away with that. Because if they do, legal action can be taken against them. just saying.
Either way, I would like to NOT hear from you, or your 'services' again.
Thank you, and good day.
I’ve sent a comment here a couple days ago. Thank you so much for your time!
You as well! :3
"People who want to see my art come on the site already."
As someone who uses this service more than I use FA: No, not all of them do, and that doesn't matter anyway frankly. You're getting upset that people want to see your artwork, without having to log into a shitty website with a horrible layout, organization, and sorting options, all because what... Your own ignorance?
"People don't need to know right away when I post something"
Okay, but why not? Why is that a problem for you if they do? One would think you uploaded something because you want it to be seen.
And don't even get me started on the freakouts people have when someone tries to calmly explain to them what this does and why it's useful. You sound like a child.
Take a breath, use your brain, and try to remember the only people seeing this stuff are people who have you watched on-site already as it is.
If you calmly request to be removed anyway, so be it.
If that isn't possible anymore I'll ask for option 3, the full removal from your telegram alert system.
(sorry if this double-notifies, I clicked the wrong button)
If you can remove me from this service that would be lovely.
9/10, wish we could have FABasement back
...But i have ONE question...
will they also get notified when i post on the scraps session of my profile?
Because well, i just post random stuff and random sketchs that i will never finish
So ye , just wanted to know.
Yeah, it notifies both about regular submissions and sketches, since FA sends them all to "New Submissions" page without distinguishing between the two.
I think you need to update your website. I was watched, but doesn't say who is watching me.
I understand what it is/what it does and who it's for, but I'm incredibly weird about things like it. O_O
And by that the 'option 3'/Do Not Watch is what I'm asking for.
(I do appreciate the work that went into this but alas, I am a nervous sort of creature and do not like being watched for watchers.)
You have been added to DNW for FA, as mentioned earlier.
PS: Please keep the discussion civil. Thanks.
DNW is now able to work with other websites.
The service wasn't watching you on SF for some reason, but you were added to DNW anyway.
For the first time ever in many years, I had to block someone for excessive language :(
Simply put: if you're using this bot through Telegram messenger it sends you notifications if there's anything new (submissions and/or journals) from the artists you're watching here on FA and some other sites without having to go check for new submissions yourself.
And if this account has watched you - that means some of your existing watchers is using this service.
So just a little thigy for extra convenience =)
Thank you kindly for explaining!
I also have another question
If I get un-watched by the Sergals account, does that mean I'll be going on to the DNW list?
Well, in your case since you didn't ask to be added to DNW list AND if you've been watched by Sergals account previously and now aren't - that means just whoever was watching you via bot unwatched you (see "Why did I get REwatched" in Sergals' bio).
And forgot to add about DNW on previous comment, that's a bit different thing: it makes Sergals unwatch you on FA immediately, removes you from watch lists on bot of anyone that had you watched there and automatically forbids further re-watching.
You've been added to DNW now
Curiously, when I try to view my watchlist statistics on the sergals.shy.cat webpage ( http://sergals.shy.cat/watchlist/fa.....nroethelizard/ ), I receive a message saying "Specified username not found." I was wondering if you could help me troubleshoot this?
First, I am certain that some users are watching me with the FAWatchBot. I've also double-checked the Sergals FA to make sure it is watching me here.
Second, I have checked my privacy settings on the FAwatchbot account on Telegram, and both
"Hide Telegram username" and "Hide FA username" have an ❎ emoji next to them -- I think that means "no, do not hide Telegram/FA username". Is that correct? That could be the issue. I would test it by switching the toggle right away, but unfortunately, I am not sure how quickly the website would update its statistics after I change my privacy settings, making it hard to tell if my manipulation did anything. So I'd really appreciate your help!
P.S. A suggestion for the Telegram bot's UI: on the "👁 Privacy" menu, it might be nice to change the text on each button's toggle for clarity. For example: "✅ Your FA username is visible" for one option on the toggle, and "❎ Your FA username is hidden" for the other option. Right now, toggling the privacy only changes the emoji, and I'm honestly not too clear on what ✅ vs. ❎ means in that context.
I'm silly. The bot on Telegram tells you when the changes will go live. (It seems to be every 30 minutes.)
Thanks for reading, nonetheless, and my UI suggestion above still stands.
And if they are afraid that their art will be shared elsewhere, soooo, copy and paste the image is enough in itself. In addition, people can be notified other than by this bot silently without their noticing.
It's almost like trying to control the uncontrollable.
I don't see anything totally rational here, just a general kind of misunderstanding. Unless my French brain with my broken English missed a few details.
It's almost like saying '' I don't want to be part of the +Watch'' It's absurd x'D
I don't know it almost looks like an endless war on some kind of illusory control, maybe people want to feel a false sense of security, in the end I can understand that.
By the time I got the notification, 30 minutes had already passed since the upload and all the slots were already taken :/ I was better off just looking at my feed every 10 minutes like I used to.
Can't recommend it if you're looking to use it the way I had planned to :/
I might have been okay with this service if the watcher lookup worked. :(
I would tell you pretty much the same as everyone else, I don't have anything I post and I don't need to be on any bot list.
I think option 3 what many say
Although the scrip is not bad, I see it more for personal use not public.
Done
Sorry for huge delay, done
Although, I do want to ask what’s this all about as I read through the FAQ that’s on your main page here. I have a couple of questions in mind:
- What’s this all about with Telegram?
- How does this work?
And no, I don’t want to be removed or anything. I’m just intrigued and curious.