I only speak for for myself on this, but as long as the quality of said content in artwork and so-called plot doesn't stagnate, I'll be looking forward to paying for most if not all of it. As for the game, here's to hoping it does indeed come to fruition. I'd love to see what it becomes.

I don't think it will. Since December 7 last year, I've spent over 150 hours planning, writing, compiling ideas, storyboarding and sketching. For a comic half the total length of Becumming #3. So on the writing front I'm safe.

As for artwork, I'm trying at least one cheaper commission comic. Lower quality sketches, inks, and plots with minimal colors. But it'll be like 9 pages for $2. Bottom line is, I charge by the hours I put in, I have no plans to rip folks off.

That's fair. even the simpler art has its place, and if it's cheaper by comparison, then it's still worth it to me. I'm perfectly happy purchasing something reasonable, for a reasonable price. I've personally purchased all Becumming's, the last 2 as soon as they were published. Been following your advancements in art for more than a couple years on DA with a watch added to FA here a while back. You've done nothing but improve, you should be proud of what you've accomplished. I look forward to seeing what you may yet do.

Thanks, yeah I've been trying hard ever since I realized I could make it my job. And I like where things are headed...

Yay, goodluck with the game development, it is the century of homebrew software market expansion.

I fucking love the internet and software for what it's doing to the world. VIVA LA REVOLUTION

Now I feel old for having recently turned 34... ^.^;;

Heh well I think that's the age of most game devs.

I'd be very interested to see the product of such a game, something like a plot driven/sandbox TF would be pretty cool to experience (sort of like a Flexible Survival game come to life in a 3D format)

Nah it won't have a long running plot. The idea will be lots of short playthroughs, 5-30 minutes, where you wind up TF'd and start over again. Because that's how good TF comics seem to work.

Still would be interesting to play ^_^

Agreed. I don't mind paying for quality and I've yet to be disappointed with the pay comics. All I'd say is watch the title's on the billing. Becumming could be a typo once, not several times and that's not a conversation I want to have again when I made the mistake of having one bought as a present. lol.

A suggestion to appease the people unsure about purchasing would be to do a mini comic of the same quality free or release a couple of pages as a taster to say THIS IS WHAT YOU GET BUT THERES MORE IF YOU PAY giving people an informed choice.

Very glad to hear the games still on the cards. Loved the initial system you had. And I still think you should have TF matches in lieu of death matches. 1 team throws TF animal transformation potions and the other TG potions that turn you human again. Being hit switches your team to which ever you are now. First team to 50 conversions or all players are one type wins.

>watch the title's on the billing

Hm yeah I should see if I can rename the billing thing on Ejunkie.

> when I made the mistake of having one bought as a present. lol.

Ouch haha. Heh a while back I took a USB drive to Staples to get some photocopying done, and the name Becumming popped up on screen with my dad peering over my shoulder. That was scary.

I've thought about releasing free content as indicators of what people can expect, but my style changes too quickly and the comics are too different. Becumming #2 is shockingly different from #3, for example.

Oh that's clever, like Zombies in Halo! I like that. And the animals will control quite differently, for fun gameplay. Minigames like that are a very low priority, but yeah that's actually pretty cool.

That's fair enough with the free content, like I said I'm happy to pay so I don't care either way so long as the funds are there for the game :) . Now I'm super curious as to the next instalment if it'll be shockingly different too lol.

Glad you like the idea. Ultimately I'd be more interested in the Transformation(s) to Mini games but the more it has . . . Plus you mentioned AAA titles and they love bolt on MP lol. I recall the 3d alpha you released with the potions, so much potential, can't wait for the next rendition.

At least one part of it is quite unique, never done anything like it before. And this time we put in way more writing and iterating at the start. 153 hours actually. So it's got some good ideas.

What you WANT the mini games? I was gonna try and basically make an interactive VR version of my favourite comics, both mine and other peoples. Each story would be 5-30 minutes, then you're TF'd and might as well restart fresh. You would prefer throwing quickie TF spells at random players online? Doesn't sound like the best porn to me.

Lol no your 30min TF comics are by far the better idea and that's what I'd want, like an interactive movie with maybe little choose your own adventure options. I recall you saying the plot might be you upset a witch, so how you upset her changes the TF or pick up a cursed item, which item picks the TF. Plus options like 'you fell in river a) climb out b) you have hooves so you cant' etc. I don't know anything about programming so I have no clue what's viable or not. Just throwing out ideas on that point. I'm waffling, sorry, in short 30 min interactive TF comics - SUPER YAY.

I meant the AAA bolt on MP bit as a joke, sorry if I was unclear. As entertaining as it would be the TF quality is a priority for me personally and a 'quickie tf' is a bit dull. Plus actual MP's not my preference, especially with your aim being a XXX game.

That said, this sort of thing with dumb AI bots would be fun, like the Halo Zombies but your the zombie against AI humans. Sort of like your the witch/wizard cursing everyone kind of thing. Magic student going potion postal. I think the best analogy would be Dying light. In campaign your a human trying not to be a zombie. In 'be the zombie' mode your the zombie chasing humans (just so were clear I don't want zombies in the game lol). Or it could be the epilogue, the TF is contagious, so contage everyone until you reset (yes I made that word up).

In short if you had your alpha you released, put in bots to TF, it would be fun which would make a good companion to 'Story mode' as you have 'serious XXX TF' there with crazy TF fun in 'Potion Postal' but my priority is the Story mode which is what I'd be looking to purchase if I got a hard core tf game, mini games are fun but surplus to requirement. Especially if they'd detract from the quality of the story.

I think that's makes sense (not the best at conveying what I mean).

>like an interactive movie with maybe little choose your own adventure options.

No no no lol. This will not be the equivalent of watching a movie and mashing quicktime events and options once in a while. One of the major research problems is 'procedural animation' and movement. I want you to have full control of the character at all times, but the character is bound by the normal laws of physics and logic, not canned animations like most games. The character will stumble and trip as their legs TF, fail at walking on all fours, and be distracted by a changing mind and sexual desires making it harder for you to control.

>Plus actual MP's not my preference, especially with your aim being a XXX game.

Ahh, but what about 'roleplaying'? =3

That idea makes sense, I'm sure there will be contagious TFs in the main gameplay even if it's not immediately a mode. There will be lots of TFs.

Yeah I getcha.

That sounds even more amazing if its fully 3d and interactive as a proper game. Definitely hoping you can make the game now.

Me too. But the research problems are far from trivial. Especially if I want to be able to run at 90fps for VR, without a pair of Titan X GPUs.

If you need a SLI Titan X config to hit 90FPS in VR, then I'm sorry but your game isn't optimized at all. Oculus recommends a $300something GTX 970 as the recommended VR GPU, which is the standard midrange enthusiast GPU right now (alongside the R9 390/390X/Fury). Besides, with the current state of multi GPU support, you'd probably get better frame time stability from one Titan X than two in SLI.

>you'd probably get better frame time stability from one Titan X than two in SLI.

I find this hard to believe. Two Titan Xs in SLI should get you at least 30% on one Titan X.

Anyway did you read the part about "It will rely on procedural animation techniques that don't currently exist in real-time"? That's because I intend to bring soft body physics into my game so that naked bodies don't look like shit, like they do in every AAA video game. Problem is, typical accurate soft body physics relies on FEM, which takes MINUTES per frame, not miliseconds. So as I said, I have my work cut out for me bringing such advanced capabilities to real-time graphics, without limiting myself to super high end users. Especially if I want the game to run at 90fps.

Have you checked VR games btw? The graphics are usually pretty simplified so that they can hit 90fps. Even the new Eve game visibly cut corners.

One of the big historical problems with multi GPU setups has always been micro stutter, which as you're probably aware stems from the difficulty of keeping multiple GPUs working in parallel synchronized. It's not the same as dropping frames, as you're still outputting X number of frames per second. When the timing between those frames varies, though, it will look very similar to that of a dip in framerate. Among other reasons, micro stutter is a big factor of why multi GPU setups scale so poorly compared to simpler setups. This said, apparently VR drivers will allow engines to dedicate a GPU for each eye, so maybe this won't be as much of an issue.

I'll admit, first time I read the OP I thought you were exaggerating when you said it doesn't exist in real time yet, and I completely forgot that part when I made my comment. I wasn't aware that the performance cost was that high, though I really can't help but feel that at least some of the stuff you're looking to do in real time is possible today. You've probably seen this before, which the researchers note can be run in real time once the controllers are optimized (though the optimization process itself took between 2-12 hours for a model "on a standard PC"). This methodology could possibly be adapted for different skeleton types, and the training procedure could be drastically sped up if you supply generic optimized controllers for different skeletal types then have the game begin optimizing based on the differences between the old skeletal information and the new information. Alternatively, for stuff like movement, look at some of DARPA's stuff, like their cheetah robot jumping over objects.

It'll be hard to optimize this stuff for real time, but there is some related work functioning at real time already.

Both of those links are broken for me and go here btw https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7369455/#

So, we've been looking at these problems for a couple of years and have lots of ideas to try out. Here's a really recent and promising idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgx.....nel=HubertShum . I don't think I mentioned it but I also want to have as much procedural animation as possible; I even want canned animations to be acted out by adding rotational forces to the character joints, so that they use physical simulation to try and match their keyframes. But that's a long story, and a separate issue.

Do you perhaps have experience with soft body sims, procedural animation or rigid body physics, or programming...? Especially GPU programming. (Also I could swear I've seen your username for years, but FA says it's a new account)

Dammit. The BBCode works everywhere else on the site...

I should mention that I'm mostly focusing on the "stumble when your foot transforms" idea. When you said "procedural animation," I wasn't connecting it with the very difficult issue of dynamic mesh deformation (not even the second time) but instead thinking of stuff like procedurally animating a character while interacting believably with the game world. It's certainly related, but not what you were probably looking for. Unfortunately, I don't even know where to begin with that stuff...

My first link was a research paper from two years ago with a video that you've probably seen (http://www.goatstream.com/research/papers/SA2013/) on muscle-based locomotion. The basic idea is that they took a skeletal mesh composed of rigid bodies for bones and elastic joints, hooked it up to a series of muscles and controllers, and threw it at a neural network to optimize the controllers for creating forward locomotion over a number of iterations. What interests me about this approach is that the system is shown generating optimized results for many different types of bipeds, including creatures with tails, which could traverse uneven terrain at different speeds all while interacting with physics objects (potential applications of which could be spells pushing a target in a certain direction, or containers of potions hitting a player and causing them to stumble). Assuming that the controllers can handle the types of movement usually found in games and the process of training the controllers can be sped up to have workable results over the course of a few minutes instead of hours, you could have a player transform, literally adapt to the new body, and begin walking with a physically accurate gait as the game itself learns how to do it. The smaller the changes, the less time it'd take to begin walking properly again. That would be pretty fucking cool, though optimizing the training process for the NN would be a nightmare that I don't even know how to begin to approach.

The second one is also technically procedural animation, albeit something a lot more situational that probably won't be of as much use as you'd like. As you've probably seen, DARPA's cheetah robot is capable of leaping over obstacles while running in real time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_luhn7TLfWU). Unfortunately, there's no whitepaper for this that I could find in the few minutes of Google searching I did, but perhaps combined with something like the above you could make jumping over obstacles a lot more realistic than you'd otherwise be. Food for thought, I guess.

Unfortunately, my knowledge of physics simulation is rather topical and purely conceptual; I just happen to spend a lot of time on the Internet looking at stuff that one day might come in handy. I've been interested in game dev for a while, and I try to follow the industry trends as a prosumer, but regardless of what I've said in the past I don't have a lot of experience making them. I try to learn how the different technologies in the industry work so if I ever find myself making something I would at least know where to start, and I'm really good at Googling things and searching StackOverflow for help, but I lack the experience working with them. The more I learn about this stuff, the more I realize how little I actually know.

Anyways, I'd expect you to recognize this username from /r/transformation :) I moved to this account a few months ago, though I've had my old account on here since 2009. It really sucks how you can't change usernames or have your profile be delisted from Google...

I have seen that before, but I didn't think the controllers were applicable to anything that I was doing... I took a second look just now, and the controllers that they create using mathematical optimization are Not usable live during a video game (2-12 hours for optimization? Ick), but it's a good starting point and their muscle/nerve models are robust. So, thanks for pointing me to that. Also I should mention that the whole point of making it procedural is to make the characters reactive and responsive, so it's not even feasible to pre-cook controllers via their method (especially since the characters trip if you give them more than 5 degrees terrain variation).

> and begin walking with a physically accurate gait as the game itself learns how to do it.

This is something I kinda want btw.

Hm, the cheeta jumping looks simple (but it does have papers published, though they're behind pay walls). Too simple to be really applicable to bipedal locomotion. I looked up Big Dog, the DARPA robot that you can kick and it'll rebalance itself, but couldn't really find detailed papers... Making a system that can dynamically balance a biped is looking difficult, might have to fake it more than I was expecting... Damn I'm too tired to research more, bed time.

I do the same, keeping up on interesting advancements... But you still gotta practice developer skills if you want to be able to do the stuff some day. Otherwise if you just download a text editor and a compiler one day, you'll just be overwhelmed =P

> Also I should mention that the whole point of making it procedural is to make the characters reactive and responsive, so it's not even feasible to pre-cook controllers via their method (especially since the characters trip if you give them more than 5 degrees terrain variation).

I'm not disagreeing with you; I was pointing to it more as a starting point than anything else (hence why I said if they can be made more robust to handle other types of movement). They don't have specifics on the optimization procedure for their models, but they did mention that at some points they used prior training to accelerate the learning process. My thought is that if you have a number of precooked controller settings, the game can select one of the precooked ones that best matches the player's current state, try optimizing its current controllers towards those sample controllers, then optimize for the player's actual body structure. Of course, cooking all of those sample sets could take considerable time during development, but at runtime you'd have many different starting points for the optimization process to start from. Since it wouldn't have to do nearly as much work, the optimization process would take significantly less time, possibly bringing it down into the realm of possibility for real time applications. Of course, the process itself probably would need some performance work, but I think it's a possibility.

> I do the same, keeping up on interesting advancements... But you still gotta practice developer skills if you want to be able to do the stuff some day. Otherwise if you just download a text editor and a compiler one day, you'll just be overwhelmed =P

Oh that much I'm well aware of :) I've got a good bit of hands on experience doing scripting and programming for various tasks. Game dev, physics simulation, and GPU programming just aren't the type of things I've put significant time into, so while I can do some problem solving, those particular types of problem solving aren't things I've needed to throw myself at just yet.

I'm not even sure we'll use a controller of a similar model, but I'll take a better look through the paper and see what I can yearn. We might just try and make it all LOOK accurate, since I mean actual bipedal physics seems to be an extremely difficult problem...

Fair enough. I began coding by making little games, and that's where most of my experience lies. I feel like that's given me an edge a few times when I've tried more advanced (but related) projects.

As long as the tf content has a lot of heavy mental shifting, iq lowering perhaps (dumb animal level), and pretty vixens, I think I can shell out a few bucks for it. ;3

I've got 4 stories coming up. One has that in spades. Two have lots of instinct stuff. One has no mental aspects. All will be sold separately.

Well that is indeed ambitious, good luck.

Thanks, I'll need it.

Your comics are all great quality and well worth the paying for, ill be buying them

Excellent, there will be many =P

follow your dream

'Just DO IT'

At least you can't do worse than jasonafex's fursona 4 XD

What is that, a game?

Jasonafex tried to make his own game. He ended up using some kind of ready made game making toolkit and did not code almost anything. The game ended up being an almost perfect copy of the game persona 4, except buggier and less imaginative. Hence the nickname fursona 4 XD. I don't know what went wrong, he is either really inexperienced storyteller and game maker or he just didn't spend enough time on design. But people are gonna buy the game anyway, because it has his art in it. And based on what you said above, I think you are gonna do way better than him.

Well, it will be a very different sort of game. 3D, and unashamedly TF porn focused. So I guess we'll have to wait and see heh

Wow I absolutely can't wait. If you need some support with pay comics I'd be happy to help out

Thanks. There will be a lot of them coming heh. EDIT: Also you'll have to wait a while. 1400 work hours is no small task.

WWWWOOOOO!!!! GO KICK SOME ASS

Working on it. R&D is hard heh.

I bet. I myself just applied for digipen university up in Washington, I want to get in to game development as well

Nice. It's interesting. But it ain't all roses, especially AAA games. *shrugs*

Oh yeah digipen looks good though. Internships to the big AAA studios and the instructioners are from the same stufios. It's going to be expensive but it'll be a good start.

Best of luck

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you pursue. The artwork I purchased off you was fantastic, and I'll gladly buy whatever else you put out, since I trust you as an artist and as a content provider. If I wasn't such a broke university student I would have tried to commission something off you, but I'll do my best to financially support the products you put out.

> a broke university student

Heh been there. I'm actually not really taking commissions atm, they don't pay well compared to pay comics. It's much easier to raise money through lots of small purchases IMO. Anyway, yeah I hope this game lives up to all the expectations. I'll certainly be trying not to cut corners on the sexiness.

With YOUR TF-talented eyes overseeing things, I have SO much faith in what this could become. You can do it! You can do it! I BELIEVE!

Thanks. Fingers crossed that you're right heh. Real time soft body physics has never really been done adequately, the way that I need anyway.

Yeah, it wasn't until I'd read some of the above conversations that I realized exactly how ambitious of an idea you're trying to put forth. Ya know if you simply figure out the math behind this thing, I feel like you don't even need to make the porn, you could take it straight to a developer studio and sell use of the engine for ALL THE PORN IN THE WORLD. XD

Well the reason it's not been researched heavily is because it doesn't benefit most games much, since most games don't have fully nude characters. All that processing power and time spent developing the system would be wasted under clothing, not to mention most AAA games focus on gameplay/environments/large crowds of characters which eats frame time. But there is existing research that might work in my project, if it can be brought from the CPU to the GPU.

Ahhh you're right! It would be like a leap of pioneering for interactive porn games particularly, huh? If you end up spawning an entire genre of interactive pornography you would be my hero. Forever. Sign my T-shirt. Don't worry, the sharpie is clean. XD

That would be pretty sweet heh. Here's hoping we can make the tech work. It sure won't be easy, especially considering that to be VR compatible we only get 11ms per frame.

How soon can we expect the next pay content/comic thing and would it be the pikachu tf or any of the teasers from Becumming3?

Oh you're talking about the lengthy animated comic I posted teasers of. That nearly put me on the street, working ~4 months animating that with no income. And it's a long way from being done. So I dunno if it ever will be.

The next pay comic will just be images, not animation. I need to practice more animation before doing something big.

"All of which I had to abandon when my credit ran out. Shit."

... please tell me you still have the code you wrote though, or that would be a total fucking disaster, even more so then it already is!

Until you start generating six figure incomes from pay comics, there is always Patreon. I'll gladly support you, your ambitious endeavors are far cooler then anything people I already support on Patreon do. ... and if you already have a Patreon or equivalent, could you like, link me to it?

I saved all the code and stuff, but it's not really ready for mass distribution, and I still haven't *finished* any large scale animations with it 9_9

I do have a patreon but I put it up too early and plan to completely rebuild it later. There's no need for patreon level money just yet, I can pay my bills and developer salaries easily if I finish a couple of pay comics. Once the risky parts are done, I'll refocus on patreon.

Bought all the pay comics recently. Very Nice.
You're gonna go far kid.

Thanks. Fingers crossed =)

Hey! It's awesome to hear you're working on this! It's a bit ambitious, but that is how every great project starts isn't it? There is another person I'm following, fek who has been working on a 3D version of his game rack for some time. Though it doesn't appear to be including TF sequences or multi-breast, he might be willing to work with you using his current framework for character customization for modeling. Not really sure he'd be up for it as I only know him by his work, but he might be a valuable asset if you guys can work something out together.

I was about to suggest the same thing, but since there isn't any kind of voting system...
+1 Fur. (I don't even know... -_-)

Forgot about this message. So I looked into it and found this on their website:

>Rack 2 is being developed in Unity. I worked with Unreal Engine back in college, and I almost went with that instead, but Unity's community and support pipeline are much more active right now, and my experience with Unreal's asset pipeline wasn't always pleasant.

I'm using unreal engine. So, we can't share much in the way of tech. And I doubt there's TF in the game, so we can't share models (or model, singular, as it were for my TFing cast). Besides graphically it looks like we're going for pretty different looks.

So, appreciate it but I'll role my own content for now.

Alright, that makes sense. Thanks for looking into it, and I'm really looking forward to seeing your style in that engine! Best of luck!

Thanks, I'll need it.

Hey Bendzz! Hope it's going ok here. I saw some of the test footage you did some time ago and was really impressed by it!

Bloody big project. I'm still working on stuff that'll come in handy for it, but I'm distracted by at least 3 other active collaborative projects. Some of which might make the game development easier.

That's fairly cryptic, I know. I'm not going to announce details until I know the stuff will work; You're less likely to complete things if you brag early. But rest assured that this game will be as open source as I can make it, when it's out in any appreciable form.

EDIT: You don't have a Vive VR system by any chance...?