Wow, it's been forever

I rarely do journals except for specific things nad here, UK fucked up big time

Yeah... that's... that's gonna hurt in the long run.

I won't get any satisfaction out of how it'll hurt the people who voted to leave, but I do hope that it broadens their perspective and they don't choose to just deflect or dodge the blame.

All we can hope for is that the politicians use the few ways they have to ignore this

Wow, Zelos. Just wow.

It was a democratic vote. Deal with it.

You have just suggested in your response that the politicians should resort to dictatorship instead of democracy.

I hope you're aware that I oppose democracy and think it's nothing but an idiocracy.

When children do stupid things because htey are unable to comprehend things, the parents needs to step in and do things properly.

And fact is, people don't have the mental faculty to understand something this big and should never have given this vote, most things should never be voted about, ever at all because 80 to 90% of people are too stupid to understand the issues.

It is also a democratic vote where almost as many people disagreed as agreed with the conclusion.

Sometimes, that can become a problem when a bunch of people get stuck with a result they didn't want and are told to just live with it, especially if there are catastrophic consequences. That's one of the sad flaws of democracy and one you can't just brush aside by saying "well the majority wanted it"

I don't agree with Zelos on the dictatorship intervention, but lets not kid ourselves that a vote made by an ignorant, misled public proves that something was a good idea.

Don't think I am pro dictatorship either.

Fair enough.

I am neither pro democracy not pro dictatorship, I am inbetween with oligograthy where smarter peopel rule rather than stupid masses

Well the issue with that is determining who is smart enough to be in charge, attempting to put that into practice usually results in a dictatorship when those who already have power declare themselves the smartest.

I mean that's how ridiculous dogma like trickle-down economic theory has been allowed to rule so much of capitalism, bastards that weren't particularly smart but had a lot of money were able to push their narrative.

Is it an easy system to set up? Probably not but I believe it's possible

Eh, afraid we differ there. Generally any system that relies on people being superhuman and incorruptible is doomed to failure.

how unfortunate I don't rely on either.

In practice, an Oligarchy would.

Not necciserily, oligarchies can be of many sizes.

What does size have to do with it? You ultimately have the issue of who decides who is the smartest and how they are put in charge, either of those can be manipulated by bold-faced liars with money.

An old saying in academia is "If you come here for the money, you made many mistakes along the way"

A trite platitude does not solve an underlying issue. Now even assuming that we draw these people from academia and go by their qualifications, that is already skewed by money since that sort of higher education is essentially purchasable by the wealthy and almost inaccessible to the poor, thus the notion this system self-selects for pure merit in all cases is questionable at best.

You are making a massive unwarrented assumption there :)

If so, it is only because you are repeatedly failing to give me any sort of details as to how your proposed system is meant to work in practice.

We are gently sorting it out, you assume the american system of education where it costs money to do beyond highschool while I would never suggest my system there, for the reasons you've mentioned, I do suggest it in sweden and to have swedish education where ALL education, from grade 1 to doctorate, is all free.

It wont happen, probably anywhere you'd want it to. Firstly, the people who pushed for Brexit are well-educated and well-connected, Enough so that they could get into a position to fight for Brexit. So, they would be among those who rule in the system you propose. Meaning, of course, things like Brexit could still occur. Only now, most people would have absolutely no say in stopping or affecting it, rather than there at least being a chance to.
Secondly, we live in a day and age where everyone - no matter who they are - are demanding more rights, for one reason or another. No public would stand for having their votes taken away from them in favour of the 'better educated', and havoc would ensue. While the rest of the world report negatively on it (possibly even more negatively than on Brexit, thus further international damage to the country), the UK (or any country attempting this) would have to resort to tyranny and force to stop the public from rioting. Not to mention, many well-educated people in the system you propose would want the public to regain their rights to vote. After all, those are are well-educated for the good of society and not just for the chance at a well-paying job would try to bring about change they deem as progressive. And public voting would very possibly be part of that. Thus, this new system would experience in-fighting.
Lastly, remember that this vote only occurred because some of the country's top political minds gave the public the chance. Brexit didn't need to happen; the government gave people the choice willingly. So even the well-educated can take immense risks, and not everyone will be happy about them.

I'm okay with sticking to the fact that it's a democratic vote. I can deal with that, even if I dislike the outcome... however, I don't think democracy works when you ask people who have no idea what they are voting for to decide the future of a country. Honest to god, ask nearly anyone why they voted leave and it'll have something to do with immigrants. Nothing more. I can respect people who voted leave for other reasons (such as giving small companies more of a chance and such), but true democracy only really works when the people are sufficiently educated in what they are voting for.

I asked my own family why they voted leave, and the only reason they gave was immigrants. I told them of the things we have got out of being part of the EU, and they had no idea about any of it. All they were spouting was stuff the Sun had been saying, and as we know, Murdoch is a pretty big dick.

I think the most important thing we have got out of this vote is how easily manipulated people are into making a decision they might not even wanted to have made, just because the newspapers told them so. And that is scary.

Even worse, this kind of thing has happened in an age where information is so easily accessible nowadays, it's literally at your fingertips yet people are STILL so misinformed. There's no excuses for people who regret their vote, or didn't know what they were voting for. It's so easy to research and look beyond what tabloids are feeding us.

Uh . . . should I clap or . . . ?

You should give them the finger

I'll give them two!

Do so good man!