The worst type of defense for critism
9 years ago
such journal
Leeeet's say, with art, some watcher-only user here on FA gives some critisim, then another guy comes in to defend the artist by saying this:
"How about you try to draw at this level first before saying something like that? You don't know how difficult it is to be an artist."
Soo... uh, I guess we shouldn't be calling Hitler bad either? Atleast not until we've all tried being nazi leaders. Who are we to argue or critize him since we don't know how hard it is, right? Alright yeah, that there is the extreme & kinda childish version of my point here, buuut uh... yeeaah, this has always been the worst type of defense to me. I guess I shouldn't have favourite TV shows or games I don't like unless I've made TV shows or games in the past, huh? I can't say that a song is horrible unless I'm a composer, right? I'm sure everyone's eaten something horrible or bad in the past too. Well, guess what, (this is sarcasm;) maybe you should just shut up until you know how to make that same exact food by yourself so you know how difficult it is, Kappa. (sarcasm ends here.) If look at a splatter of paint on a wall, well shit, I'm probably not gonna like it. If I THEN hear how the artist contemplated his life for a whole year before coming up with that splatter... well, I'm gonna think about it abit more, but it's still gonna be shit to me, sorry. If that artist then decides to open up Patreon and says he can't live on without support I say NNNNOPE bye loooool (eh, patreon is great, I'm just being an ass here)
I mean, I can understand wanting to defend fellow artists you like, but come on, come up with better points and defenses than this. If you really think that people who aren't artists (or e.g. can't draw as well as you or someone else) aren't allowed to have opinions... then... uh... fuck, I dunno, please stop? :P but I mean really, everyone's free to think how they want, and while I might seem like I'm just judging those who do think this way, I don't really mind, do what feels good to you, but uh, if you come defend me or my art like this, theeen we might have a problem. If someone says my art is shit, theen so be it, it is shit to them, no need to tell them how they need to be an artist first to "understand" me or something. But then again, I'm not a pro artist anyway nor do it for money, inb4 someone now takes my whole point here as null cos of that, hah. That's alright too.
I dunno, this "you do it then" type of crisism-comeback has always been as stupid to me as those youtube comments saying "don't like it, don't watch it"... but atleast those ones can sooorta make sense, haha, like, if the video is about video games, and you don't like video games in general, theeen yeah, in such cases you probably aren't gonna like it. :P
(edited... or well, changed this next part since I started to feel abit ass-y about it:)
Aaaanyway, this really isn't the first time around I've seen this sorta defense to things X3 just the first time I started to think about it. There was some of that going on here on FA and well, while I wasn't directly involved, I ended up just blocking some people using this defense, I'd rather not have them coming to my pics to defend me and make the same sorta stuff happen. Didn't block any friends or people I chat with, so eh, didn't see much of a problem with doin so anyway. I mean, noticed they blocked people from responding to them in the comment chains, sooo might aswell do the same to them.
edit; ps. oh and yeah, this isn't/wasn't ment as a callout journal to anything specific or anyone in particular XP not gonna give links or names. if you do recognize something from here, just keep it to yourself, I maaainly just wanted to share some thoughts on this
"How about you try to draw at this level first before saying something like that? You don't know how difficult it is to be an artist."
Soo... uh, I guess we shouldn't be calling Hitler bad either? Atleast not until we've all tried being nazi leaders. Who are we to argue or critize him since we don't know how hard it is, right? Alright yeah, that there is the extreme & kinda childish version of my point here, buuut uh... yeeaah, this has always been the worst type of defense to me. I guess I shouldn't have favourite TV shows or games I don't like unless I've made TV shows or games in the past, huh? I can't say that a song is horrible unless I'm a composer, right? I'm sure everyone's eaten something horrible or bad in the past too. Well, guess what, (this is sarcasm;) maybe you should just shut up until you know how to make that same exact food by yourself so you know how difficult it is, Kappa. (sarcasm ends here.) If look at a splatter of paint on a wall, well shit, I'm probably not gonna like it. If I THEN hear how the artist contemplated his life for a whole year before coming up with that splatter... well, I'm gonna think about it abit more, but it's still gonna be shit to me, sorry. If that artist then decides to open up Patreon and says he can't live on without support I say NNNNOPE bye loooool (eh, patreon is great, I'm just being an ass here)
I mean, I can understand wanting to defend fellow artists you like, but come on, come up with better points and defenses than this. If you really think that people who aren't artists (or e.g. can't draw as well as you or someone else) aren't allowed to have opinions... then... uh... fuck, I dunno, please stop? :P but I mean really, everyone's free to think how they want, and while I might seem like I'm just judging those who do think this way, I don't really mind, do what feels good to you, but uh, if you come defend me or my art like this, theeen we might have a problem. If someone says my art is shit, theen so be it, it is shit to them, no need to tell them how they need to be an artist first to "understand" me or something. But then again, I'm not a pro artist anyway nor do it for money, inb4 someone now takes my whole point here as null cos of that, hah. That's alright too.
I dunno, this "you do it then" type of crisism-comeback has always been as stupid to me as those youtube comments saying "don't like it, don't watch it"... but atleast those ones can sooorta make sense, haha, like, if the video is about video games, and you don't like video games in general, theeen yeah, in such cases you probably aren't gonna like it. :P
(edited... or well, changed this next part since I started to feel abit ass-y about it:)
Aaaanyway, this really isn't the first time around I've seen this sorta defense to things X3 just the first time I started to think about it. There was some of that going on here on FA and well, while I wasn't directly involved, I ended up just blocking some people using this defense, I'd rather not have them coming to my pics to defend me and make the same sorta stuff happen. Didn't block any friends or people I chat with, so eh, didn't see much of a problem with doin so anyway. I mean, noticed they blocked people from responding to them in the comment chains, sooo might aswell do the same to them.
edit; ps. oh and yeah, this isn't/wasn't ment as a callout journal to anything specific or anyone in particular XP not gonna give links or names. if you do recognize something from here, just keep it to yourself, I maaainly just wanted to share some thoughts on this
FA+

-artist made their comic paywalled behind patreon
-lurkers/watchers got angry
-other arists got mad at lurkers/watchers over being angry, with some of them saying how lurkers/watchers shouldn't be giving critique to artists since they aren't ones themselves... whiiich is pretty much that one thing that got me thinkin bout this stuff
it was just abit dumb, tho honestly, entertaining to follow, lol. anyway yeah maybe I've just become too tolerating or something over some things sooo people not tolerating other people tends to bug me nowadays, haha :P I mean, for example, I like Sonic, but I can definitely make fun of it. Same with Final Fantasy VIII for example, I absolutely love Spoonyone's mocking reviews of that game, hah
ps. oh and yeah, I don't mind people defending something they like, I just think the comebacks should be abit better than "you do it then huh!?"
I personally think if someone tries to criticise something, they should try to explain what they dislike....so...yeah, that is all