Get a free yahoo site. Bam. PRoblem solved.

I tried them. I like my email to be smap free however.. Cause hoestly, that's the most of what you get. Least every time I've tried.

I see...sorry. I would just suggest something like a blog spot site or paying out of pocket to get hosted.

When I start working again I'm likely going to have to go that rout if I can't find something else before then

You're a funny one to talk about originality and talent, oh master.

Considering I often go outside my comfort hug box to tr different things and only use pre-made's as more gift, they fit a need thing and of course, to see if I can make them in 3D, yeah, I think I can talk about it. I do create other personal chars more often then not.

And as for talent, I feel I do what I do quite well giving my skill and limitations. I'm not god all mighty towards it, but I'm decent enough that it does not look like crap, no would I be satified with bare minimum.

How quick our tones change. What's wrong? Need to keep in good with your selected inner circles again?

That's it precisely, I'm ever the social butterfly, so I argue with a barely coherent artist who's ego is out of control to please others. I'm just speaking up because you sound awfully full of yourself, and your constant tantrums causing you to come to FA, then leave, then come back are becoming tiresome. Pick one and stick with it, will you? You can be a misunderstood genius all you like either way, but your hissyfits make you look like a fool.

Amen

Funny you sound just like that tho, seeming to flow to the side that favors you the most at current.

If you don't like it, no one is keeping you from un-watching and not having to listen to it, jus like no one is keeping me here (something I, unlike yourself with your comment towards me, am looking for a solution too), now is there?

I don't know of any place that would work but I will look and see if I can find a place for you, however I do have a question. How can you condem the site for porn when most of your gallery is just that?

Personly I do allot of porn because in 3D it's truthfully quite hard. Because you can't fake things with structured and rigged body. Arms can only bnd so far, and you can hide little inperfections or position WTF's like you can in 2D art.

That and I simply hate having to deal with clothing physics. Even in my art, back when I drew, I tended to keep my figures unclothed as I was ass with it.

My biggest problem with porn is not that it's there. It's that there is TOO much of it. And it's all anyone cares about really. I mean, there are some wonderful clean work out there. Stuff that took hours, weeks sometimes to finish and a lot of tie it does not get the same lower or more as it should then maybe a half an hour sketch of someone naked while cumming/lactating/ect buckets. That's a problem to me.

You can get blog from google http://www.blogger.com they allow adult materials (there is option to configure)
but wherever you go you will get same shit. Commentators will tell you how awesome your pic is and rarely go into further details. It's just how internet works, you can't squeeze more out of people who spend less than 30 seconds looking on single page on average.

This site has one strong point. It's big enough to have some bright people. This gives you the chance to get some interesting comments sometimes.

as for inspiration try watching this: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/453

The trouble with size is that for every bright spark they tend to get dimmed by the masses that are willing to just side with something just cause. Not really looking at everything because of whatever factor.

I'll give that a look when I have a spare moment.

So basically you're trash talking the community and then asking it for help?

I reiterate wht community,. A comunity requires something conecting all of them together by some common ground. That does not really exist here. And no, I don't count porn as being that.

It also requires an unbiaseness towards said commuinty. You should not have to be joe blow awsomesauce to garner help from individuals.

There are various descriptions of the word "community," the average being "a population of individuals that share a common interest." Furry themed art isn't a common interest? Even if there is a lot of porn, it is still furry themed art and that's what we're all interested in when we joined this community.

And for the record, there is in fact more clean pictures on FA than there is porn. Porn just happens to be more popular.

I would agree with you, if it was giving the same nod. Trouble is its not, and that where we sorta faction off. There are a good many people that did not join the 'community' for the art as a whole. They joined for the porn. Which sorta fractions off said 'community' into the 'furry porn/fetish community' and 'other'.

And don't you think there is something inherintly wrong with that? Should not al the differnt artwork be enjoyed the same? Why should people to get on the map at all have to sometimes sell out there morals and do porn just to get a sniffling of attention around here?

We have come from many different places and joined for many different reasons. Members of PETA joined that group for different reasons. Maybe to protest the skinning of animals, or eating of meat, or just because they love furry things. The point is that they are all still united with a common interest. If a crazy community like PETA can exist, why can't we? We may not like all the same things, but that only makes us diverse, and as a furry I'm damn proud of that. I've met many friends through FA and it just burns me to imagine that I wouldn't know them if this community didn't exist. I even met some people who don't look at porn or even have sex. You hear that? Me, a person who's gallery is full of porn meeting someone who deprives themself of it. We socialized, we COMMUNIcated. We can't we be called a community?

And yes, it's a little sad that clean art might not get the recognition it deserves, but that's simply the way it is and it's not the site's fault, it comes from the power of the community. But it only means that "clean artists" need to work harder to improve and get noticed. I see it as motivation. I hope that I can some day be a good enough animator to make short little animations and get recognition from it without the help of sex appeal. Now I don't lean into drawing porn because I know it's what the audience wants, I do it because it's what I want to see on the paper. The audience favoring porn may not be fair, but since when should one stop drawing because they're not getting the attention they want? In any case, people like  cerberus are doing pretty well for someone who doesn't do porn.

Now who said anyone should stop drawing. I agree with you there. I'm saying the idea of community is sorta shades of gray and sections, not what people like to think of it as or defend.

Actully I do hope the same for you as you have a good style and feel for motion in your animated works, you take into account some things that others miss. Makes me wish I could still do the flash animation thing now and then.

You are one of the few then cause I've talked to quite a few people I use to know as non porn goers, that have shifted over because, and this always was a kick in the teeth for me,"I got better liked when I started doing porn."

We might not see eye to eye on the community issue, but it's at least nice that we can see eye to eye over the clean art not getting it's due one.

Fuck I always love how 'free site' is always the fall back point of any and all arguments about a site. Just cause it's free does not mean it has to be crap. More people would be inclined to help pay for it's bills if it was not crap. People pay for good servace, after all. Least that what my years of salesmanship have taugh me. Do good and people are more willing to donate into your time. Not just cause you want them to or you are the sick horse. If you are trunning a sight, free or not, it should be working to the best of it's ablities, always first and formost. That's the servaces you give to it's users, and don't you think we deserve that? That excuse is just a pass that most people look for to prevent them form putting all they can into things.

Funny that I really don't see allot of that when you thinka bout it. Normaly when you hear someone tlk about another artist, there clean and moving stuff s the stuff that hits the folfders and is forgoten while the porn is the stuff that seems to stick in peoples heads.

Chosing not to do something due to the fact it would look bad is differnt then doing the very same thing over and over and over again. Using the same pose, or falling oupon the same chars, never creating somethign new, or taking things differnt places. Working with other moods, I don't work with clothing because it's a little esier most times. That does not mean that I'm incapible of doing so. Just allot of times my image looks better without it. You can't use that same thinking pattern with other such things.

Heh yeah there is no freaking community anymore. It's mostly the popular artists banning together and leaving anyone else that's not up to their caliber in the dust. That's why I find it funny when I go to AC and they talk about the furry community because it just doesn't exist. But yeah I wish there was some good site we could go to and be able to post things that wouldn't suck like this site does. That and have an admin that isn't a big fucking child.

I find furry cons a joke really. It's a bunch of people not going so much to hang out with other like-minded person, as that's seldom happens, unlike say an Anime/sci-fi convention. It's more many people looking to find certian persons and get into there collective.

And said looked for people gathering and generlly keeping new's out of said circle. And of course selling there wares. My guess, and I would love to see it as an experiment, is that if 'furry porn' stopped being created (Yeah right), the said community would likely fall in on itself, as it seem that the base structure of it is such: Porn.

That's just my assumption on the matter. But giving I've been with the fandom (Better word for it) For a long time and watched it's transformation, I would not be shocked if I was right.


It's what we see online here in reality, basicly.

Yeah like with me the main reason I go to cons is just to see some friends that are from around the country. That and to have a little bit of a vacation.

Heh. Your options are limited. There's a reason FA is as big as it is.
Yiffstar is dying at high velocity, so I wouldn't recommend it. I don't know...

Trust me I know.... Furnation is sorta going belly up, Yiffstar is fading almost as fast. We lost FAP. And I'm not even goingto consider posting around Fchan.

Hence why I'm asking if anyone heard of any starting places or such.

Actually, Yiffstar has had a 8.5 percent increase in traffic in the last year.

Well, you prefer it when I'm honest, so here we go.

I sometimes feel like I think I know where you're coming from, but regardless, I think you're blowing things out of proportion.

Using this site is really quite a simple thing. Only upload stuff that you yourself have made, or stuff that has been made for you. In either case you have to secure permission with the other parties involved in it, if any. Do not harass other users. If you do that, you shouldn't have any problems, and can simply use this as a place to put your art. Because really, if you're looking for a place to share furry art, this is honestly the best.

Yes, it would be nice if this site were stuffed to the proverbial gills with awesome features. Wouldn't it be cool if we had an Amazon/Netflix-style recommender system which would say "You'll probably enjoy this picture/artist given what else you like!"? Or something that showed up and coming artists and things of that nature? Maybe some cool AJAX so you don't have to reload a page to +Fav something. Filtering of galleries and inboxes would be nice. A lot of things would be nice. But the admins have the same excuse as you do. You say you do quite well given your limitations. I'd say this site does too. The admins aren't being paid. They dedicate a lot of time to FA, maintaining the hardware, dealing with whiny users, resolving drama conflicts, filtering through art which has been flagged, etc. I doubt that leaves very much time at all for dealing with code issues, and I don't think that the admins do coding anyway--just like the CEOs of a company don't write the software. Given how Wolfblade and Damaratus have stepped down or taken breaks from Admin status, and how a coder recently left the team, I'm betting that working on FA takes a bit of a toll on people.

I mean, I'm sure it's easy to imagine the FA admins in a bad light. You might think they're self-motivated lazy basement-dwelling attention-whores who clearly created this site so they could get into the spotlight. They got some coders to slap together half-assed code and paid for the site out of pocket until they could convince one of their users to pay for bandwidth, and simply have donation drives to pay for faulty hardware after it broke, holding the users ransom. Until they figured out they could get steady revenue with annoying ads all over the place, and regular donation pleas. Now they make so much money they siphon some off the top so they can commission porn from the popular artists. They never deal with problems, they create drama, and the rules are there to protect the admins.

But for me it's easier to imagine the FA admins in a good light. They're under-appreciated (possibly still basement-dwelling, basements give good contrast ratios to computer displays) everyday folks who created this site when other art communities gave the thumbs down to furry art and porn. They had a lot of teething problems, but after 4-5 years of service they've managed to get something which isn't elegant but works most of the time and is up 999 out of 1000 hours. There is a very real community with social circles, close friendships, bitter rivalries, and love being found and lost all the time. We're all brought here by our love of furry art/characters/roleplay, which is more than you can say for most physical locations--people largely just live there because their parents do. Our community has helped to keep this site alive with regular donations, and as a result, we have the largest collection of furry artwork on the planet. And it's not just a directory with links to hundreds of thousands of pictures, there's communication between people about what they like and don't like, what the art reminds them of, etc. Given that our community is not simply a bunch of sheep who all like the same thing, as you're so quick to paint us as, there are often conflicts. The admins make rules to try and prevent these conflicts, and deal with things personally when they get bad.

Short version: This is the best thing you're going to get short of a hand-coded site that you pay to be hosted, and that will be expensive (I know from experience), difficult to maintain (which I also know from experience) and nobody will ever visit it. FA is free and always growing and trying to improve.

I won't argue with you on the issue of 3D art. I think it's silly that people can pose a doll and adjust the lighting and call it art, but they can't pose a model and adjust the lighting and call it art. I've argued with the admins on this before. Though I will agree with them that you can't simply purchase a model and render it out in the default pose with no background or anything--that showcases nothing except your ability to purchase things and push a render button.

I don't think you really have a good grasp on the porn/clean ratio. There are several times more clean submissions than porn. I believe it's somewhere in the area of 5:1 for clean-to-porn. I just checked 7 random sequential submissions from ~5 months ago, and 5 were totally clean, 1 was a clothed female exercising, and 1 was a nude feline (no nipples or adult bits showing) posing with a sword. The reason you think there's a lot of porn is because A) there's so much content that even 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 pictures being porn yields a lot of porn, and B) because like most other people, you notice the porn a lot more than the other stuff. Maybe it's because you pay attention to art with better anatomy and technical skill, and pornographers are good with both of those because they can't hide their anatomy behind clothes, and they'd feel silly drawing porn which wasn't very good (kinda like how you'd feel more silly sharing a homemade porno than a homemade short movie). Maybe it's because you pay attention to what other people favorite, and other people pay attention to art with better anatomy and technical skill. I don't know how you use this site for browsing purposes, so I couldn't say. But in any case, there's a lot more not-porn than there is porn.

I'm sorry if you aren't able to feel the community and the cohesion, but just because you tell yourself that it doesn't exist, can't exist, this place is too miserable and poorly coded for it to exist, doesn't mean that others aren't part of a community. This is as much of a community as any forum, art gallery, blog, and gaming clan--probably because it's got all of those things rolled up together. I challenge you to explain to me how this place is any less of a community than those places, or a neighborhood, or a workplace.

(Amount of PS/gimp used + Famous char + Amount of spooge X size of sexual organs - orrigionaity) X (ego + fan servaces) - (decency + likeability) / talent = FA popularity?

To me this equation seems incredibly ironic. To me it seems that over the past 2 years you've been trying to put together a project which matches a lot with this, consciously or otherwise. You were going to do a ton of digital work and use people who were either personal friends, famous, or both to make a group masturbation animation. Why digital? Because that's how you work. Why some famous characters? Because it's easier to get references and easier to find that somebody exists when there's more art of them. Why such unoriginal poses and actions? Because they're easy to work with, and you're not always going for the most mindfuck insane poses and movements. You yourself have a large dick (understandably) and if memory serves me right, you had a commission done which involved obscene volumes of cock and spooge. You can't complain about fanservice after all the stuff you've done with Krystal in the past. And ego? You think you're better than all of this. You think that this site is below you, because we're all a bunch of unoriginal, fame-seeking depraved whores who just want big dicks and gratuitous cumshots. You make excuse after excuse, but at the end of the day, you're just another guy who's trying to make the best art he can with the tools at his disposal, and maybe get some recognition for his hard work along the way. I won't delve much into decency and likeability other than to tell you to ask yourself how decent and likeable you try to be, and how you might come off to most other people. And I won't touch talent, because that starts to feel personal and I'm a bad judge of it anyway.

At the end of the day I just... I don't see what it is that bothers you so much. People like what makes them feel good, and if they're interesting people, what makes them think and feel as well. People are aware of stuff which is more popular because that's what other people talk about. And people like art and entertainment just fine, but seem to like it if it's not made decent for kids even more. There's nothing particularly wrong about any of those things. And they all combine to create the art community that you see here. Boil things down and stereotype as much as you want, lots of people here are decent and they just want to partake in the sharing of art and companionship, just like you.

I could get into along winded post about all this and pick it apart word for word, but why? I am after all talking to one of the side bar lap dogs to the upper admins, a really good friend, I think you put it? So I'm not surprised when something, as usual when I discuss things wrong about things, you siding with them. After all, why hurt your chances at the artwork you seek out with the persons that I am picking at, right?

Actully my desire to work on that project was surounded mostly around the fact of friends/friends of friends, because friends do that, not how little work has come of that of yet now that I don't consider said individuals friends. My work with Krystal back in the day was mostly because the symbols were avalible to me at the time. I still regret working with her now and still try to, as little as possible, use her. I tend to stem away from known people in my work unless for gift and such because I feel it's unispired. Or I use them because they fit a need at the time and I have them on hand. My commishion actuly was left more in the creators hands then anything else, and it as suport to an artist I respect. After I saw situation, I just went with it as I like those that, few as they are, draw me or my ideas to enjoy doing so. And my choice for digital has always been one of need, not ease. How we forget that I am almost without perscision use of my right hand. And my left is not much better now, because of various damages to it.

Thanks for letting me know that I completely wasted an hour of my time trying to make a thought-provoking reply, and a year of my time trying to let you see that I'm not just some attention whore lapdog.

Dragoneer and Pinkuh are the only admins I know of who draw. Dragoneer doesn't seem to have any desire to draw me. I don't have any desire to pay Pinkuh. I'm not getting art from them. But hey, thanks again for boiling me down to a biased guy who is self-motivated and just wants art.

In early 2007 when you invited me to be in BAP, I was not your friend. I was not a friend of your friends, except Soulfox, who doesn't seem to talk much to either of us, and I doubt ever mentioned me to you.

A lot of the big artists spend their time drawing who and what they like, which is sometimes fanservice, but often not. However, they do usually start on popular characters because of the references available and because people will recognize them.

Good to know that you only grudgingly permitted yourself to have a big dick, and don't like large volumes of bodily fluid.

And of course, I haven't forgotten about your injuries and difficulty in working with Flash.

Just make art and post it.

Work AROUND, or THROUGH, the roadblocks that so-and-so put in your path. Don't waste your time arguing. Arguing will only break friendships, waste your time, and make you unhappy.

If people don't like something, let 'em. If you don't like something, work around it. I've read all your posts here. This is my reply:

Quit yer bitchin' and get back to the kitchen. So some popular people are putting up a hissy fit. You're not exactly a Solution Center yourself, are you? You have lots of complaints (it does not matter how legitimate) but you have no solutions. People who complain get fired from jobs. People who present solutions get promoted.

Now it can go a few ways from here.
1) You can bitch at me like you bitched at Twile, because I didn't present my ass for you fuck or get down on my knees and suck your hugbox. If you choose this path I want to know who you think I'm a whore for.
2) You can stay the course and just keep whining, arguing, until it allll culminates in some big drama explosion and you're right back where you started.
3) You can drop the subject and move on. (PROTIP: THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER)
4) Eat a frozen Twix bar with chunky peanut butter spread on it.

Quit yer bitchin' and get back to the kitchen. I say to you the same. No one is asking you to stay and watch, if you don't like it and want to see more work, my suggestion is to do like why I started taking up art and make yourself so that you need not wait on others to create things for you. That or leave. If you don't like something you leave. Something I am trying to work towards. Unlike some people I refues to just sit quite.

Funny enough I have submitted soultions. Several of them in many differnt ways..

So don't say I don't try it's more of a matter of such things are never taken into consideration.

And it's hard to work around a road block that litterly can take down the work you work on and post. It does not change the fact that I need a new place to post my work. That's the main thing.

Now you have some choices yourself:

1) Aid in suggestions or leads for such a place. (Correct)
2) Keep arguing with me over a distaste for a place that is going to the dogs but heven forbid anyone ever speak of the problmes with it. (leads us to your 3)
3) Continue to be blind and just let shit happen and nod and smile and let things get worse rather then clash and try to make things better.
4) Leave the issue well enough alone if you can't offer/don't want to offer the above.

Say the same to me? Haha. Ahaha. Ha. (Terry Pratchett laugh there).

You're just retaliating without thinking. Work out your anger from your system and get back to enjoying what FA has to offer. Stop focusing on the nitpicking things, such as FA being run by people you don't like. FA's what we got. You can't change that. Deal with it. It's your choice and not mine. Don't start laying blame on me or on other people who try to give you advice. It's advice. We're not blaming you, we're suggesting where you went nutty and what you could do to fix it. If we didn't care, or we hated you, why would we bother? If everyone around here, like you think, is bitching at you, why would we do it? Most people don't give a flying fuck about you. A few are disgusted with how you behave. The rest of us care just enough about you to take the time to post something. Me? I'm telling you to climb out of your self-dug pity-and-bitch ditch and give it a rest.

You don't have to sit quietly. But you are just sitting loudly. Other people are telling you to shut up. I'm telling you to GET up. I don't care WHAT you do, or how loudly you do it. As long as you're not just retorting, retaliating, and trying to get the pointless moral upper ground.

Suggestion: Furtopia? Not gonna solve your problem though. Take your issues to other administrators until something is done, or just suffer through the fact that people you don't like are in charge. They're going to do things whether you like it or not. Whining hasn't solved the problem, has it? Nope. Made it worse. People are less likely to listen to you and more likely to stop giving a shit about what you do or say.

It's not about choosing to be blind. It's about choosing what you give a fuck about, and what you don't. I'm suggesting that you stop giving a fuck, and just do things until you find what works out. Life moves on whether your issue gets resolved, gets better, gets worse, or nothing happens at all.

I simply don't understand people who complain about the amount of Furry porn.

I mean, The entire furry community is Based around a sexual attraction to furry animals. I just don't get how people don't understand this Simple and OBVIOUS truth.

And also, 'There is no furry community'? What? I don't think you understand the definition of 'Community'. A community is, according to the Merriam-Webster, "A body of persons of common and especially professional interests scattered through a larger society". The very existence of this site Shows that there is a furry community.

There are several other Inaccurate/Hypocritical points made in your Journal, But I Don't feel like writing a 400-word post Complaining about them at the moment, and I think I'll give you a chance to defend yourself.

P.S. Furaffinity has a built in spellchecker, that, while it will not fix your post for you, will tell you when you've fucked up typing something. Use it. When you don't, you look like a idiot.