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Fur Affinity is a global community of artists, fans, creators, designers, watchers, admirers, and more. We want to promote and encourage a safe, open community. We have been listening to your concerns, reviewing your comments as to how we handle things, and going through community feedback over the past few months.
We are making changes to better respond to these issues, and have made significant changes to the site's Code of Conduct.
Code of Conduct Changes:
- We added additional policies regarding malicious speech, specifically targeting hate groups and those who identify and promote them. Individuals and groups promoting hatred (Nazism, KKK, ISIS, etc) have no place in our community and these new policies enable us to take stronger action against them and show our commitment to encouraging a safer community for everyone.
- We've made minor updates and revisions to most of our policies in an effort to clear up gray areas and remove perceived loopholes. We also restructured the Code of Conduct to group relevant policies together for easier reading.
Global Changes (AUP, COC)
- We changed the wording for violations/offenses to “levels” to avoid confusion. Thus, moving forward, a 1st Offense is now listed as a 1st Level Offense.
These updates to the Code of Conduct are retroactive, and will go into effect for existing content as of September 18, 2017. If you believe certain individuals are violating the policies we encourage you to file a report via our Trouble Ticket system.
Please note that while we do not condone or welcome hate groups on the site, we still cannot accept calls to violence against any group or individual. Again, we encourage you to report issues via the Trouble Ticket system.
We are making changes to better respond to these issues, and have made significant changes to the site's Code of Conduct.
Code of Conduct Changes:
- We added additional policies regarding malicious speech, specifically targeting hate groups and those who identify and promote them. Individuals and groups promoting hatred (Nazism, KKK, ISIS, etc) have no place in our community and these new policies enable us to take stronger action against them and show our commitment to encouraging a safer community for everyone.
- We've made minor updates and revisions to most of our policies in an effort to clear up gray areas and remove perceived loopholes. We also restructured the Code of Conduct to group relevant policies together for easier reading.
Global Changes (AUP, COC)
- We changed the wording for violations/offenses to “levels” to avoid confusion. Thus, moving forward, a 1st Offense is now listed as a 1st Level Offense.
These updates to the Code of Conduct are retroactive, and will go into effect for existing content as of September 18, 2017. If you believe certain individuals are violating the policies we encourage you to file a report via our Trouble Ticket system.
Please note that while we do not condone or welcome hate groups on the site, we still cannot accept calls to violence against any group or individual. Again, we encourage you to report issues via the Trouble Ticket system.
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Maybe?
+5 to smashing the fash
+10 to your #Resist stat
Overhead Swings deal +50% critical damage
terrorists take action to cause fear(terror) to push their agendas, so in a way, some anti-Vietnam protests were, but MLK was not
(edit: fixed typo)
also im unsure of whats wrong with burning flags :0 that part doesnt really belong in the argument
My main point is that the groups mission is not hate. The group was not founded upon hate. Antifa does not automatically mean hate. Someone using a group to promote hatred is not the same thing as the group itself being founded to promote hatred. This is why it is not in the same category as those listed above which were all groups specifically created to promote hatred.
That kind of scenario is impossible in nazism, being a member of KKK, etc.
I have personally seen swastikas being drawn in jewish neighborhoods and people harass jewish people by yelling slurs and saying how much they love hitler in front of them. You not seeing it does not mean it is not happening. Please look up charlottesville and the other nazi-based hate crimes that happens in the US. anti semitism rose significantly. remember as well that not everything is reported due to fear. I don't think everything I saw was reported because people were scared to speak out. Look up the fact that they did the nazi salute at an alt right event. To say that they didn't do anything is honestly just willful ignorance.
People don't think about this, but it's easy to turn an antifascism movement to one and this is exactly what's happening. Supression of freedom of speech, violence ect. The only thing left is the power to make arrests.
Anyway, wait and see
I do agree that antifa has had members do a lot of heinous things, but labeling it a hate group means we might as well label feminism a hate group as well.
1. An elderly woman falls down because she was blocked (even an Antifa offered to help her up) and she tried to force her way through.
2. You actually see nothing of the attack, just that something happened to the camera and suddenly a person on the ground and people shouting "she attacked her".
3. Yep they crashed a free speech ralley without violence
4. In the first seconds you see clearly that long haired dude attacks the members of that group with what probably is tear gas/mace/pepperspray or the likes. What follows is completely deserved selfdefence (because that guy keeps spraying it against them)
5. Not Antifa pulls down an BlackBlocs Mask. next scene a completely different dude gets attacked with tear gas/mace while Trump supporters go for attack. I don't really see an "each other" attack there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mOU6vNA4t8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTtT2pydoBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBBo2_FmC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15p1i8USJs8
Destroying cities and attacking innocent people is so anti-fascist! It's causing sympathy for actual fascists.
You cant just have the hottest take of the century and go muh alt-right FALSE FLAG HEH GOTCHA
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-.....ies-april-2016
If you read this article,they're already there,sort of.
And US antifascists are not European, thanks.
The fact that Dragoneer chose to specifically mention "white-supremacists" yet deliberately avoided mentioning antifa and the hate that they bring and cause is telling, and gravely concerning.
Lets be realistic, their actions are pretty fascist. They seek to silence those that speak out against them, they intimidate and they use violence.
A simple definition of fascism is as follows: "...a system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism..."
Antifa are a little different in that they don't seem to have a particular leader. Perhaps if they did, they might be more effective at the carnage they seek to cause. But yes, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, that is how Antifa rolls. They won't entertain peace talks, or debates or anything of the sort. They attack people that don't line up exactly with their agenda.
And I am no right winger, make no mistake. I'm just a guy that knows where he stands, that doesn't watch mainstream media, and that can formulate my own independent opinion.
Would someone who is nationalist, but not totalitarian or violent, necessarily be fascist? I don't think so. You're doing just about the same thing that some in Antifa do when they wrongly target non-supremacist moderates in the group's fight against Nazis and the like. I think by labeling 'fascist' or 'pretty fascist' on those who use violent direct action but have no other adherences to the tenets of fascism, you and many others I see here are using a door that really should be closed.
Tell me again how this isn't a hate group?
I don't know who started the whole "if you believe in one-out-of-five things that this one group does, you must be of that group" bullshit, but it's gotta end for all our sakes. Criticise Antifa all you like for approving of violent action; whether you're more for being restrained to self-defense only or even strict non-violence, you and I can agree to disagree on how to confront Nazis; but likening Antifa to the fascists just for the violent action is wrong.
Even leaving graffiti saying things like "Liberals get the bullet too."
...on second thought...
*my eyes roll so hard they shoot out of my head, screaming across the desert like giant powerful wheels, breaking every landspeed record that has ever existed or will ever exist in the future, their incredible velocity carving an yawning impact trail/canyon a mile wide that will be studied by scientists for a thousand years*
But again I doubt they will do it at all. They would have to agree that both sides of the argument are just as bad (and they are).
Because the latter groups have done that, but the former has not. Have they physically assaulted people? Yes—frequently to stop them from intimidating or assaulting peaceful protesters and religious groups. But only one of them has a history—a long history, with a kill count into the thousands in the past 2 decades—of murder.
As for antifa being a hate group, I'm gonna need sources for that claim, since it's pretty clearly an anti-hate group, if it can even be called a group.
But for the last few years (I would personally say at least twelve years), where right-leaning groups march or hold rallies unopposed, to the best of my knowledge, there has been no violence. No destruction of property, and no one injured.
Violence only breaks out when antifa shows up and law enforcement fail to keep the two groups 100% separate. Antifa confronts groups looking for a fight, looking to engage in mob violence for what they believe to be a righteous cause. The probability of violence occurring is directly proportional to the factor in which antifa outnumbers their opponents. The more antifa there are, the safer they feel due to superior numbers, thus it's far more likely they will attempt to throw the first punch.
Antifa is incapable of respecting the rights of speech, expression, and assembly to people with whom they fundamentally disagree. They act under the belief that their position is morally superior, and thus their violent actions are vindicated through righteousness.
Antifa won't hate you for being a visible minority, but being a visible minority won't protect you from their wrath if you promote an ideology that differs from theirs. In this manner, they see visible minorities only as useful as their ability to serve the agenda. If a visible minority cannot be used to further the cause of the agenda, they and their opinions are dismissed. Violently, if necessary.
Sarcasm aside I strongly recommend reading this article, it should provide some insight on why I think antifascist counterprotestors are not only good, but essential to protect those who are targeted by violent far-right groups.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.....ttesville.html
Armed right-wing groups WOULD be peaceful if not for antifa. When the tiki-torch march happened in Charlottesville the night before that massive boondoggle the day after, there wasn't a single incidence of violence reported. They peacefully and lwafully engaged in their constitutional right to assemble, speak, and express themselves. That it makes people uncomfortable is of no consequence. They have the right, and that right must be respected.
Antifa's inability to permit people with whom they fundamentally disagree to exercise their rights is the cause of much of the political violence we've seen these past few years.
Was Dylann Roof "provoked"? How about the guy that crashed a car into a group of peaceful protesters.
Dylann Roof acted alone, and was rightly arrested and convicted for what he did.
"The guy that crashed a car into a group of peaceful protestors" sounds awfully (deliberately) vague. I won't comment on it unless you cite a specific example.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2.....-protest-group
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na.....811-story.html
Dylann Roof acted alone...in the physical act only. He was a member of a racist group, and they encourage things like that. It's why right-wing attackers have the largest number of attacks and are responsible for the largest number of deaths.
That's just my opinion, though.
There is a lot of evidence and a lot of conjecture to sift through, and the vast majority of it is irrelevant. Many people, regardless of political stripe, have already made their decision and are unconcerned with other ways the evidence can be interpreted. Furthermore, the most recent news I can find on the subject of James Fields' investigation is that he made a second court appearance on the 24th or 25th of August.
Bottom line, regardless of what anyone says publicly, the fact is no one (outside of law enforcement) knows just what's going on in that investigation. He may have been charged with second-degree murder, but if the evidence can't meet the requirements of such a charge it may get downgraded. Heck, if it turns out the evidence supports his action as one of self-defense, he may even walk.
It's why right-wing attackers have the largest number of attacks and are responsible for the largest number of deaths.
I see you're deliberately omitting certain variables to arrive at your conclusion, because if you were to be honest in your approach, that is simply not true. Radical islam attackers have the largest number of attacks and are responsible for the largest number of deaths in the first world.
Radical Islam is a RIGHT WING ideology. You can swap out ISIS rantings with far-right Christian ranting fairly easily in a lot of cases. Leaving it out is actually being nice to the domestic right-wingers. Regardless, the context of the conversation should have made it clear I was speaking of "antifa" vs the right wing groups.
Also, I can't share what I've seen, because the content is graphic and would surely get me in trouble.
The only time anything is visible even approaching the car is at the last second, where it looks like someone might lunge toward it from the sidewalk. But the attack had already started by that point. Nor is there any damage to the rear of the vehicle. Nor does ANYTHING hit the vehicle's rear until after the attack had started.
You are spending a great deal of time reading antifa and anyone even slightly associated with them in the worse possible light, and doing the exact opposite to the far-right.
...just a thought
They also shouldn't be antifa.
Yes, they should, but they should also condemn the hardline anarchists that probably contribute a significant percentage of Antifa's manpower and are the likely cause of all the group's blunders. This enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
This petition has reached it's goal 3 times over. I think a portion of the people ahve spoken about how the groups has made them feel. Apparently you elicit the same feelings as groups like ISIS.
Thinking has always been the far-right's strong point it seems
As in, terrorist cells?
Hmmmmmm! Really gets the old noggin joggin'!
And no, asking to label antifa as terrorists would not "literally allow the government to label anyone who does not agree with nazi ideology as a terrorist." If you believe that, you're a fool.
antifa is definitely a group, with an ideology to attack fascism whereever it may appear, with violence if necessary. Alas, in the absence of genuine fascism, they get restless and twitchy, and start to see fascism where it doesn't exist, yet treat it as though it does, And it is through that itchy-trigger-finger mentality of theirs that they have become a group that must be treated with great concern whenever they show up, because they're looking for a fight.
Black clothing, black hoods, masks, adrenaline-fueled anger, and a total disregard for property (public and private) and anyone who doesn't look like them? That's antifa.
But I can't convince you, of that I'm certain. So trying to convince you is a fruitless endeavour. Instead, my efforts are better served trying to convince others, which is why I'm responding to you publicly so that other may see and judge accordingly.
Can you give any examples of times Antifa, as a group, has acted in the absence of fascism?
(Edit: I dunno why I'm all the way down here but this is in reply to gothicskunk's post 53377076)
It is one thing to defend an alleged nazi or an alleged fascist. It is entirely another thing to defend their right to speak, even if what they have to say may offend you.
If you cannot differentiate between the two, if you cannot understand the difference between the two, you are far more dangerous than any nazi or fascist, and you must never be permitted to hold a position of power, or influence.
I bet they did nat zii dat comming
P.S., You made some mistakes on the parts that are supposed to be bold.
I mean obviously if someone goes "My fursona eliminating all the *slurs*" then thats ah...I think thats grounds for reporting since its blurring the line.
And people have been having free reign to do this anyways so its not as though things will dramatically change right away. I just want that blacklist system in place so I dont have to stumble upon it. To each their own.
If the depiction of Nazi's wasn't allowed, then ALL the parody art and fan art of this (Rick and Summer Punching Nazi) and Nazi Punching Images that has been drawn on FA recently would need to be removed.
These rules for the CoC are to protect artists and users from unnecessary censorship while also protect users from the hate speech at the same time. It's the difference between "Cannot try to convert people to being Nazi's through FA or act upon being a Nazi and their way of hate" vs "Cannot Discuss or mention Nazi's in general on FA" like we are doing on this journal now, but with art. Drawing Nazi Propaganda with the intent to use on the viewers obviously would be against the rules as it promotes Nazis and that type of hate, but if you are making a comic where you are battling magic nazi's, or Nazi's are even generally mentioned in that comic what now?
I am in NO way shape or form promotting Isis, it truely has been my nickname for years.
I just dont want my account to suddenly be disabled because it has the same word but spelt diffrently.
It would be greatly appreacated if a mod or someone can answer this question for me.
Thank you Fender.
-Panic attack averted-
A hate group is one that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a designated sector of society (e.g. Nazism, KKK, ISIS).
They are examples, not an exhaustive list.
Just saying. IMO, some kinks like that should be self-abandoned as being in extremely poor taste. Those uniforms represent one of humanity's most evil moments, and always will. Those uniforms are what millions of tortured innocent men, women and children saw below a sadistic grin leering down at them in their last moments. Pure evil. Beyond tasteless to consider it a kink.
Good policy for the site, BTW.
To each their own though.
Well...
That's interesting...
Is fictional content affected in any way or is it just the people that post the journals about committing real acts of violence?
"Oh, it's just FICTION! Even through every character in this gallery is in exacting SS uniforms, it's just fiction."
Good luck with that. The ones you're trying to get rid of will abuse that.
People are free to unwatch to block that person and so on.
If someone uses inappropriate tags to spam, etc, you can file a ticket for that particular reason.
What kind of gray areas/loopholes?
So...the bigots and the non-bigots? I'm not sure that's "various."
If you want to even just look at things over the span of the last year, the ones who have conducted terrorist attacks are those aligned with the alt-right and white supremacists. They have murdered SEVERAL people in this time-span and committed acts of terror, they are patrolling streets with rifles.
Antifa has yet to commit any act of terror or cause action that resulted in a death. Stop spreading the alt-right's false narrative.
Think about that.
JUSTICE FOR ALL OF FUR AFFINITY AND PUNISHMENT AGAINST ALL HATERS!!!!!!
'We're banning Nazis, not clothing. We recognize the difference.'
So if a fictional depiction has a character in uniform with a visible swastika, is it an offense, or not? Seems like more grey areas to me.
We have to review each case individually, and look at the overall scenario.
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov and Dzosef Stalin were responsible for over 30 million deaths.
If you're going to restrict ideology that promotes the death and genocide of "unworthy" people, you should go all the way and also purge Bolshevik Communism, since that ideology is also responsible for a far larger volume of deaths, in a way that is just as horrific.
Or is this just gonna be yet another PR lip-service move to placate certain special interest groups?
Plenty of reason to be wary that way.
Because there is a ton of art on here with openly displayed swastika's.
If you want "historic themed", why not draw humans as such and post them elsewhere, leaving furries out of it?
We're better than that. Or should be.
Or maybe they want their character to be as evil as possible and that's the evilest thing they can think to make them.
Also some people just have a history boner.
You dont have to condone something to like it.
For anyone unaware, those triple brackets are primarily used to mark the enclosed words as being associated with Jews.
and lets not forget that the reporting systems on social media and media sharing sites have been abused to the point where "reporting" is just a form of censorship by anyone on a political spectrum. Given the fact that now the new CoC has been revised, its only a matter of time before there is a wave of reports fill up the Trouble Ticket System's mailbox, probably peddled by those who cant stand the sight of others differing views.
On the flip side, I will give it a chance because of two factors: 1) the site included ISIS as a hate group like the KKK. 2) The judging isnt automatic like youtube, and there is a staff overviewing the reports, or so i claim to think.
Now we just need to add in antifa to the list of hate groups and its a done deal. or at least until the reporting system is abused to oblivion.
forgive me if i sound arrogant, i am just speaking from a semi critical view.
As one close and at hand example, fictional drawings of cubs having sex are still banned from this and other art sites... solely because people are that desperate to shut down an idea when their level of offense surpasses their tolerance, even when there's no sane or practical reason to. Go to Deviantart and you'll find people getting banned for merely making politically sensitive art. Video sites like Vimeo will ban you for as little as uploading a clip that may be traced to sexual material (eg: fetishes), even if the video in cause is itself SFW and something you might very well see on television... I lost my first account there out of the blue because of this. So yeah... I sure feel I can trust others with this sort of judgment >_>
Anyway FA is a site that takes its own decisions. I'd be a lot angrier if this sort of conduct was a government issued rule instead... which some countries are actually attempting.
They're a hypocritical group that assault individuals with opposing politicial views, they fight with the police, incite fights with other legally assembling protestors, and commit acts of vandalism. I'm sick of ANTIFA saying it's okay to punch those with different opinions.
They're hypocrites. They are the very thing they claim to be against. They're extremists.
Don't forget reply-blocking. People do that a lot. I just got reply-blocked. It's a very shallow and coward thing to do.
Also, you can't *just* say "logical fallacy" because that, itself, is a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/th.....allacy-fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argum.....t_from_fallacy
To go back to fallacies, you're appealing to authority there, young bab. (in the babyfur sense, not the "you're 20" sense.)
To get back on track. Again, dude's 17. It is a legitimate criticism in regards to political views. Look at all the right wing darling wunderkinds, who then turned liberal after they went to college, and were exposed to real people outside their bubble. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn
And I *do* have ideologies that my parents may not agree with, I just decide what I like the best and follow it because there are some leftist ideologies I despise.
I especially do not change opinion over the internet or news easily, to quote Kane "Of course it's not true, but the world only believes what the media tells them to believe, and I tell the media what to believe, it's really quite simple."
To me: seeing is believing. I will remain adamantly neutral regarding the Left, Right, extremists, antifa, KKK, neo-nazis, BLM until they have physically and in-person wronged me, be it violence, slander or otherwise because while there are news of antifa assaults or neo-nazi parades, I have not been physically involved in-person in a confrontation with or against them so until an antifa assaults me or an LGBT harasses me, I will take whatever is said for or against them with a grain of salt.
BLM is just the modern continuation on the civil rights movement. They've done shitty things too, sure. But their stated goal isn't "eliminate whites," it's that "black lives matter too." Not that they're the only ones that matter. But, they face systemic persecution and bigotry due to institutionalized racism in the US.
I'm just some guy on the internet, but please reconsider.
That and my current mentality is more like that of a mercenary, a freelancer or maybe a smuggler. They all have one thing in common with their depictions: what's in it for me?
I may be following the more Left ideals of my school and CTC at Century College but I'm following that because I don't want to lose the potential for a part-time job and a part-time job that pays me for my own desires and beliefs to follow.
Believe me when I say: I would gladly follow the Right or Left ideals if I were being paid to support them as long as it does not resort to true violence and harmful action. Or if the LGBT approached me to fly a rainbow flag, I ask: how much every hour?
The "Right" is the side of the Nazis, the KKK, and the other assorted fascists. ((yes yes "BUT THE KKK WAS STARTED BY A DEMOCRAT" someone will argue. Southern Strategy, the Democrats are not the party of the racists any longer and haven't been for over 50 years.))
Dark ideas aside, I'm only following the side that benefits *me* and those close to me, Left or Right. If either side gave me a promise of letting my friend immigrate into the country legally then they get my support so long as it does not involve busting up protests on EITHER side with violence or opposing them.
If Antifa or BLM approached me for their support and I'm being paid for it, I'm only accepting if they do not send me on protests or to bust protests because the last thing I need is my body being used as a speed bump.
Same with those in the Republican or Conservative party, if they were to pay me for my supporting of them, I will do it so long as I do not have to participate in protests or anti-protests.
I'm sorry if it sounds upsetting but I'm just expressing my own thoughts I realized during this conversation, trying to support the Right OR Left has no merit without a paycheck and I've forgone political morality in favor of the morality of me and those I care about.
Until society accepts "good deeds" as a currency, it's just the way I'll have to think for now.
However, it has been stated clearly that no hate will be supported here, so that includes what some members of Antifa spread as well.
TL;DR: If your C.O tells you to shoot children, you have every right to deny that order.
Fascism died shortly after WW2. Where are the fascists? Oh wait. Fascism is just a buzzword used by the far left to discredit and vilify anything they disagree with.
If you can't get that around your skull then you're as ignorant as they are.
Furthermore the symbolism on my red armband is a symbol of PEACE and me screaming about minorities trying to take jobs I'll never want is my FREE SPEECH. which you would know about if you read a little something called the Constitution....Nazis never existed in other words as my fallout fan fiction proves
Antifa isn't a hate group.
Yet, those who identify with white nationalism have murdered SEVERAL people so far this year and have committed actual acts of terror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ndhAxLyfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfKkmqjhLRo
It's not for a lack of trying, though.
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/05.....sault-suspect/
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d9_1503284057
The amount of damage they've done to property, both public and private, is enough to classify them as terrorists and a hate group.
They're not a hate group. They're a terrorist group, The Department of Homeland Security labled ANTIFA a terrorist organization.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w.....-a7927881.html
In fact FA just has established the current law in Germany.
I just want to pretend to be a dumb brown cat on the website I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntG9rLiEhfU
Otherwise, nice to see changes, not like I really care a huge amount but good either way I suppose.
i have a sneaking suspicion that nothing's actually going to change though, i mean the majority of this fandom still excuses paedophiles. and zoophiles to a lesser extent.
furries dont have a good record of being good people and speaking out against disgusting behaviour, so i'll believe this when i see action i suppose
no for real, please dont make assumptions about me, if someone is doing something illegal, they should be arrested, thats all i care about. please do think real hard about what you wrote, cos one of those things is definitely illegal, can you guess which one?
At this point in time though I'm getting sick of watching society grabbing torches and pitchforks to find and burn the heretics. The whole anti-pedophile thing has gotten to the point where in some countries people get arrested for watching anime porn or because their inflatable sex dolls look too young. As such I'm more easily irritated when I get the impression of such attitudes in general. Other beliefs I have on those matters would likely open a large can of worms which is unnecessary for this discussion.
also thanks for the link, bye to you both
Stop treating digital actions like a physical crime.
https://www.lenscrafters.com/
as if i needed another reason to be thankful i live in canada, i feel ill and im going to make myself some tea.
[EDIT] My intent wasn't to bash on Canada as a whole and discredit it as a modern nation. It actually has quite a few progressive laws ahead of their time, which I totally salute! Sadly they're mixed with a handful of things you would only expect in places like China.
what i meant by the critical tone you picked up on is that people should be speaking out about criminal, disgusting behaviour rather than letting it slide because 'its just cartoons'/'i see it all the time'/ or worst of all, 'this person is a popular artist so i dont want to offend their godly status.' as much as i would like horrid and harmful people permanently erased from this world, no, being against something doesnt mean im about to come over to their house and skin them alive. when i say put them in jail, thats what i mean.
i cant stand talking to anyone who can honestly look at a drawing of a child being raped and tell me thats ok, so bye now, glad im not having kids so i dont have to worry about keeping them away from people like you
I think he needs to update his prescription at Spec Savers or something.
And to those who'd make that argument. Get out of the fandom please. The fandom is to diverse to accept that kind of ignorance.
I have to say I find the 'but x group I also don't like' arguments confusing.
Because, even if we imagined that group x really was absolutely terrible, surely we could all still agree that we don't want anybody promoting white supremacy or Islamist terrorism on fur affinity.
...Like, that should be some pretty basic common ground for almost everybody in society right?
It's depressing how many people have been deceived into believing that they're somehow as bad as people advocating for an ethnostate, forceful removal of non-whites and ideology focused on removing power from the working class citizen.
Plus many people from the alt-right have killed SEVERAL people already this year, antifa has yet to commit murder or acts of terror.
H e h
PS, thanks for not jumping on me and calling me an asshole or anything because I took notice of a cross in an icon. I'm an ex Roman Catholic, born and raised. So I know the Bible pretty well, I just don't believe in any sort of divine power of any sort. Not counting J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, but the Church of the Subgenius isn't a major or "real" religion. Although I am an ordained minister of the Church. B) (Well, Universal Life Church actually, but they cover a lot of the jokey religions. Probably Dudeism too, I'd think.)
The idea that Jesus Christ was a socialist is just laughably stupid.
If you're gonna cite scripture, cite the Bible edition too. Context is important.
Charity and sharing is not socialism. Stealing from one person and giving it to another person is socialism. Taking your own money and time to give to someone less fortunate is not socialism.
You really don't want to do this with me. Calling Jesus Christ a socialist is like calling Vladimir Lenin a capitalist.
But this is getting off topic from the journal, admittedly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_wh.....r_shall_he_eat
Jesus told rich people to give away all their money to the poor. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven". He is saying that it is impossible for rich men to go to heaven.
And by your definition, charity and sharing aren't socialism because you're not willing to give away your money to help those less fortunate than you under a socialist system. What do you think socialism does, give money to rich people??? Your taxes fund stuff that helps everyone, especially the poor. And if you're not willing to give up something in order to help people less fortunate than you, what kind of Christian are you? Do you need it to be entirely voluntary, and let the super rich give pennies of their wealth away as indulgences?
Socialism does give money to rich people. You ever hear of corporate welfare? Social security? Minimum wage? Stimulus? All of these things either systematically or systemically take money from poor people (even indirectly) and give it to the rich. Taxation is theft, and theft is a sin. You are not generous by demanding your neighbor be robbed at gunpoint so the money can be spent how you please. It makes you selfish, cowardly and unChristian.
Explain your logic.
How the minimum wage hurts the poor is by making it so there are fewer available jobs, raises prices, inflates currency, and makes it so that small businesses have a near impossible time starting and growing. This is why you see massive corporations like wal-mart lobbying for minimum wage increase and more regulation, due to how much it hurts upstarts and eliminates their competition.
There is also a hidden side effect to the minimum wage, which causes low skill, mentally ill or young workers to be effectively legally locked out of the job market. If someone is unlikely or unable to produce more than $7.25 of value an hour, then they will not be hired, because it is illegal to pay them less, even if they are willing to work for less.
If there was no minimum wage, who would work for pennies? You would never be able to get away with doing that in an actual free market.
Then there is also the fact it gives those with a job the ability to afford necessities, get savings going and by themselves nice things, which in turn gives money to both the government from things like taxes to help pay for cops, firefigthers etc. And help the very companies they 'hurt' grow as people buy the products they offer, be it from a 3rd party of their very own 1st party products.
The more money people actually have to spend, instead of taking a loan, the better an economy runs and more stable it not only becomes but will see a bit of growth over time.
Except in most cases it's not the government but the place you are applying too. The only real case the government stops you, is when you apply for a job with the government.They are forced to pay a livable wage, which isn't bad for neither party. For so is you being forced to pay taxes as well then.
They could also turn you down because; You are not qualified enough, there is someone more qualified, criminal record or depending on what job you are looking for, just simply don't look the part.
If you break the law, you have no one but yourself to blame for that, blaming it on others just shows how bad and/or childish of a person you are.
Like I said; In most cases it is not the government but the place you are applying too.
You're the one advocating a gun being pointed at people to implement your belief system. So defend why you think a homeless person should be legally prohibited from working for less than $7.25 an hour.
I am advocating people being paid a livable wage.A lot more than minimum wage which has little to nothing to do with jobs being available or not, goes into why someone can't get a job or not. Such as the economics crisis, which lost everyone something.
Minimum wage does indeed kill jobs. If the minimum wage was $3.50, then employers (especially small businesses) would be able to afford to hire more people, and there would also be lower prices, as minimum wage generally serves as a tool for inflation. There is also the fact that the government directly harms the economy by not maintaining the gold standard, money printing, and bailing out failing corporations like what it did with wallstreet in the late 2000s.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-.....003/mainstream
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/17.....ate-mongering/
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2.....azine-f/198721
oh, right.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-.....p/nation-islam guess what? SPLC documents "left wing" extremists too.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-.....-panther-party look, even the "scary" new black panthers.
But my point, try again please. Federalist is hella biased.
e - Oh I seem to have made the mistake of engaging an AnCap. My apologies for my mistake.
The "alt right" was a deliberate rebranding of white supremacy/naziism/fascism in an attempt by the 'clean cut, respectable' Richard Spencer types to distance themselves from the hardcore "neck tattoo speed freak skinhead" type of supremacist.
Those same types created the term "alt left" because they wanted to try and make it seem like anti-fascists and anyone else standing up to them was 'just as bad!!!'
There is no "alt left"
you can't claim there is no alt left, but claim there is an alt right. May as well be fair right?
The "alt right" branded themselves that way, then tried branding people against them as "alt left". There is no "alt left" because it's an attempt by white supremacists to rebrand their opponents int he same way they rebranded themselves, in order to allow the "but both sides though" narrative to spread more easily.
There's no "alt left" because the people on the left fighting fascist supremacists are the same people they've always been and they're not the 'alternative' to anything.
That's how you know who is a white supremacist. It's pretty easy.
Who cares about the confederate flag. or the Nazi flag. Its a FLAG. What about these liberals who even go as far as hating and even BURNING the AMERICAN flag? I mean if these people hate America so much, why do they continue to live there? Save up your money and leave the country. No one's stopping them from doing that.
2) Symbols are important. Why do you think you're so riled up about the idea of people burning the American flag? I don't care if someone burns my country's flag. If someone rallies under the rebel or nazi flag, they have certain values which make them rally under that flag. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.
3) It is almost impossible for the impoverished to save money, especially in a country that will put you in deep medical debt because of an accident. Minimum wage doesn't even fully pay for a small apartment's rent. How do you think they're going to save up and leave a country? Do you know how expensive it to get citizenship in another country? What you're proposing is impossible.
2. Hey, if burning flags is protected by law, then fine whatever. it just shows what a fool you look like. Same goes for people who burn books and jerseys because of what the person did or said look stupid. I mean talk about wasting your money amiright?
3. thats why you don't get jobs with minimum wage pay. Or you don't go to college to study classes that wont get you good jobs. Go to college and get some kind of business degree. That seems to be were all the money is. Its hard and takes a lot of work and time but I'm sure its worth it. And yes i know its expensive. That's why you have to budget. Don't spend money on art, don't spend money on ridiculously high priced fursuits. And I know its expensive to get citizenship. Anywhere. But there's a thing called visas?
3) Yes, I'm sure "don't spend money on fursuits" is a big concern for people living paycheck to paycheck eating tinned food in a shitty apartment, and student loans DON'T scalp you for the rest of your life. And you'll never get sick or hurt and be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars of debt. And corporations are totally on board with employing you for a high enough wage to get out of the hellhole you're in instead of exploiting you.
You don't need to give me advice, by the way, I'm not American.
but then again, why burn the flag or burn your cities down when you could I duno, do something more productive? Like actually get a job in the system to make it better?
Who's to say? I dunno, maybe look at the people calling for a white ethnostate, people who spread hate and fear against people like Muslims or immigrants, people who are active members of groups like the KKK, 'proud boys', 'three percenters', those moron "kekistanis"... Not only that but if someone refuses to actively separate and differentiate themselves from fascist, supremacist ideals and groups, that is perfectly valid reason to be suspicious of them.
And I'm not even going to go into people on the right making false claims about things because hoooooooooo boy I'll be here all day
Thankfully Antifa activities are classified as Domestic Terrorist Violence now in USA by the DHS, about time too, but only because the mainstream media finally got into the mix (damn slowpokes)... All Antifa have are demands that go against this countries constitution and way of living and never seek a compromise, and when it never goes their way, they smash up businesses and beat up people with bike locks all because they have differing views, or simply because their candidate didn't win the election fair and square (damn cry babies)... honestly their actions put real Nazi's, WWII Nazi's to be specific, not these weaker neo-nazi's who only express via words but not through action, to shame... and that's saying something.
I'm very glad that you've decided to do something about it.
Some of the changes won't be clear cuz now i can only read the new one, i wouldn't remember what has changed, this is good because it could offer some covr from hate and such, but knowing what changed offers me more comfort than just saying "this changed"
What about having discussion and debate about events regarding these kinds of things and the current state of politics? As long as people aren't condoning or supporting the actions of hate groups like Antifa and White Supremacy will it be accepted?
Is there a way to single out false reports? Because there is a possibility this could be abused.
I'm merely just asking.
As for false reports, a group of admins will review them and come to a consensus to help reduce/eliminate false positives.
While I DO NOT think that the Racial Supremacy groups or other groups like Antifa are doing good things, they're not. I DO NOT condone nor support violence against them, even if they promote hate it still isn't okay to do those kinds of things to them. And I'm glad this site also sees that while not taking sides on this issue.
I'm all up for discussion, but the second people try to silence and bully others, I put my foot down and state that it isn't okay.
I mostly ask because hate speech is entirely subjective and would actively sensor almost everything people post since if even one person takes offense to it (provided that person is not straight, white, cisgendered, and male) then it is seen as hate speech by modern western societal laws. I can pick out a large amount of "hate speech" posts in this comment section alone.
I'm a serious advocate for "do it right or don't do it at all" and I find more and more sites are cherry picking what is and is not acceptable, causing a lot of infighting between the right, the left, and the poor bastards stuck in the middle who are just trying to find some porn.
SMH
I hear ya
*Tommy Wiseau voice* haha move on next question.
O hai Mark.
Of course this is good to some extent, otherwise trolls would be everywhere in the comments (as is the case on the mentioned sites). The problem is that even when it's a small argument that degenerates and you aren't actively intending on doing something bad, the staff occasionally steps in gives punishments over a single sentence spoken between users. It's one of the things I'm hoping may be possible to improve a bit on, as it makes FA look a bit like a virtual nanny state so to speak
I am concerned that beguiling and deceptive ideas which are deliberately crafted to appeal to the worst in us spread particularly rapidly, as a virus would.
Also I'm not buying the general idea that censorship of bad ideas is a solution; It implies that people are so incapable of judgment, you need to cover their ears and eyes to keep them from doing bad things. Honestly I'm inclined to support allowing stuff like Isis propaganda videos on social media, solely because it gives us something to troll and ridicule that actually deserves getting trolled and laughed at... if anyone actually takes them seriously, that person has a problem and is bound to do something evil sooner or later anyway.
Whether or not you'd personally find such propaganda funny, some gullible or vulnerable people are deceived by it, and that has terrible consequences for all of us that definitely are not funny.
...not to mention Islamic state propaganda tends to portray horrific violence that your average social media user has a justified right to expect won't pop up in their feed.
As for people being gullible enough to fall for such propaganda, I still can't imagine a person in their right mind being that stupid. What could possibly make any normal person want to kill themselves and others in the name of some holy desert man because a bearded guy with an AK47 in his hand said so on Youtube? If anyone is capable of falling for such a thing, that person already has some major issues... they're likely to do something bad in their life either way sooner or later.
The violent videos... that is a bit different; I definitely wouldn't want to accidentally watch someone getting beheaded or anything. Of course I've learned to shrug off seeing things I don't like on the internet, though I can understand why that would be much harder for more sensitive people.
I think you're correct that not everybody who is seduced by violent propaganda is in their right mind, but some people who are sound of mind still find themselves cajoled into cults or extremist groups and it's useful to understand why, because then we can prevent it happening to more people and we might appreciate that we our ourselves not necessarily immune to deception.
We shouldn't dismiss people who've been tricked into joining extremist groups as people who 'would have done something anyway' because we're never going to prevent violence if we prematurely conclude that we can't do anything and shouldn't even try.
Regarding violence, I think one of the biggest points against them is that it's degrading to the victims. I would refrain from watching that sort of content just out of respect for them, even if the thought of watching a beheading didn't make me feel physically sick.
I've always known what it felt to be on the other side of the fence, when it came to being a Minority, but now,
I am simply a target of hate opportune, based on my username and what I enjoy to draw. I kept telling my self not to comment here as I'd put my self in line of direct fire, despite the fact I've never pushed any political agenda, but here I am saying, "You need to fight all form of Violence against every one."
The day we let violence happen to one group and not another is when you become tyranny. You put your self above the law. This group may be beaten by this one, but if this group does it, it's wrong.
I am not from the USA, and maybe it is why I don't understand these changes. I am sorry the United States has become a internal war, but please FA. Just fight all violence.
You've painted a target on my head, and I'm not sure I'm ready.
It's better to learn about your enemies then to blind cast them aside and pretend they were never there, to prevent such event from happening again.
The plague that killed most of Europe has been long set aside in history, but recent medical articles talk of its return and no one bats an eye.
The USA is on the verge of a Nuclear war with Korea, and people are worried about KKK and Nazi. There won't be any KKK or Nazi, or any thing living if nukes start
falling. I live in Canada, and the news I have seen on the TV related to USA and the things that are happening is deplorable and disgusting. Anyone who
raises a fist to another human should be jailed properly and lawfully and shown how to properly behave in public.
But it's easy for me to say that when I live in a county who has never been hit my Terrorist attacks. I can wear a "Make America Great Again" hat out side with no fears
of being hit. And I can also fly a Pride flag with no worries of being yelled "Fag" at. I hope one day the USA can learn. For it's people, God bless, and lord help them all.
As for the Definition of Minority, as seen below.
mi·nor·i·ty
məˈnôrədē/Submit
noun
noun: minority; plural noun: minorities
1. The smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number.
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀► The number of votes cast for or by the smaller party in a legislative assembly.
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀► A relatively small group of people, especially one commonly discriminated against in a
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀community, society, or nation, differing from others in race, religion, language, or political persuasion.
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀"representatives of ethnic minorities"
2. the state or period of being under the age of full legal responsibility.
I know my username can do that to people, but it was never done with malicious intent and will never be a symbol of it. Hell, direct translation just mean "The Leader" which I hope to gods, people know.
It's been hard watching a website I started on since HighSchool, several usernames again, become a place where we need these type of rules. I hope it helps, but, based on the comment section here, I'm not sure. I'm seeing a lot of personal hate, a lot of negativity. This community, needs love and support.
We live in a very difficult time. We are better off than many years ago, but our generation will the burn of today and not be thankful they had not lived yesterday. My morale to living is, "It could always be worse." While keeping in mind, on must keep a strong footing on general issues.
Stuff like this makes me miss when highschool and trying to cram how to do math into my brain was my biggest worry in life.
Apprehend is a weird choice of word there though.
Do not make pejorative use of slurs nor disparaging remarks about others' race, ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, sexual orientation or similar, or make maliciously misleading statements about cultures, religions, etc. This does not apply to fictional works when used as part of a narrative.
So it depends entirely on the context you use it in; I would recommend refraining from it, if I were to give a general recommendation, but I don't know what the usage you plan on is, so I can't say what the verdict might be if you do and your comment/post is reported.
Also, hate groups is very... grey? Lets try to enforce the rules upon peoples actions, and not beliefs.
And hate groups, specifically those listed, are the ones we are specifically taking action on.
This rule appears to come from a bit of no where, if I were to make a guess, FA drama got out of hand? Otherwise there is no point to this rule other than to outcast, which doesn't help anyone. I remember a time when being gay made you an outcast, punished for liking the wrong thing.
The mindset of hate groups are toxic and it gets much worse when their behavior attacks other people. However on the other side of the morality coin, if they don't create any problems to anyone and mind their own business, then this just punishes them for liking the wrong thing.
There are much better ways to handle these community problems, the notorious Fabian Tactics is a good start and has proven effective time and again. Or another good suggestion, you know, this crazy idea, ACTUALLY enforce rules 2.4 and 2.6
If hate groups are attacking individuals on FA, then why are these rules completely ineffective?
Very disappointing. I guess it was too much to expect across-the-board fairness and condemnation of hate, no matter the source.
They're not against anyone specific, only the promotion of hatred, harm and the likes.Who they're going after doesn't concern me. It's who they're avoiding that does.
But, with these rules, they're not avoiding anyone. Anyone found to be breaking the rules will be dealt with in accordance to site policies.Furries, unfavorably sexuality, has been outcast for decades. The concept of furries didn't come into a large existence until the internet. There is no telling how many people in the past found sexual interest in anthropomorphic animals. Even to this day people are scared to come out about their sexuality, under feared of being outcast and rejected by society.
However, it's okay for us to outcast people?
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We are mimicking the SAME behavior that has created so much trauma and fear in countless people.
We are doing the same thing, that we hated so much.
Instead of mimicking the people we hate and justifying our actions, lets not do that. There are other methods to handling problems, lets use them.
proof b4 removed by mod
The broadness of using a wide scope word like "hate" or "love" is not by any means a firm structured term to base anything.
I would not like to see criticisms fall into this eventually when artists deserve them. After all, they submitted stuff here on the web and if not to receive constructive criticism or any that may point out flaws needing worked why else post?
Don't open things up to turn the place into a safe space where no one has the right to say anything negative. That is the next logical step to follow. People are already weak enough as it is.
Saying someone is a wimp or a Nancy-boy does not show hatred in anything but the lack of character in a person. If a person is offended by such a thing they have the right to be offended by all means. No threats or violence come down upon them.
If someone would not like to be called weak or spineless, or to be told that they are in fact worthless when they are then you can not reach out to improve the world.
Saying otherwise something like "I wish you had the will to be a good person" is far too passive to say and it doesn't hit home like being able to say "You are weak and your weakness makes me sick".
There is a goodness in being negative that most people do not see. It is harsh and it forces the person to look inward and that is all it is meant to do.
It is not threatening anyone and therefore it is perfectly within the rules. The fact that you took it one step forward to deem it hateful is exactly the kind of ignorance I wish to point out as bad and cut the head off of that snake before it makes trouble in innocent areas that don't need any attention.
An opinion can be negative or positive, it just shouldn't be accompanied by threats or threatening behavior of any sort.
I am only saying that this opens the doors to take innocent people's freedom of opinion away.
Mark my words.... It will take them away. No one will be allowed to say a single negative word at all for fear of it being hate speech.
I am only putting forth that it is too broad a categorization.
You sure jump the gun to call me something without knowing who I am, what my skin color is or my nationality.
I'm quite a bit Native American more than anything else in me... One of the last things I could call to is to be a white supremacist.
You get to see just how many people there are on this site, who just aren't very great people.
So unable to grow up
meh long as you don't bother or badger US about it I don't really care anymore.
Disclaimer: IDGAF about anything with other people's sexualities, and there is nothing intended to be negative about this post.
Politics has now taken the number one spot on my list of subjects that I refuse to talk about. I actually had my cable disconnected before the election because I just couldn't take it anymore.
At any rate, unless you put some gross shit idolizing nazis or genocide or something in the image description, it would seem you don't have to worry about that either way.
Oh shit, did I say dildos? I didn't mean to bring that dead meme up again, I'm sorry.
both sides tho ammirite???
They're still responsible for destruction of public property, attacking federal authorities and the handicapped, and pretty much turning Berkley into a shithole. It's not just about ANTIFA, it's about terrorism as a whole. Even though people look at the good, it still doesn't add up to all the backwards insane shit they've caused.
Remember Black Lives Matter? Remember when they disrupted both the Columbus and Toronto Pride Parade and attacked cops? Ya remember that?
What I'm saying is carnage does not solve political problems, and ANTIFA is a huge example. Even DHS classified them as a terrorist group. Think about that.
Ok dude
By using these sorts of examples, you're insinuating that LGBTQ+ people of colour sitting on the ground peacefully for their right to exist within queer spaces, to avoid racial profiling by police, etc. are being violent, but you have no proof of that. You're making an assumption that paints a group of people as worthy of scorn for something they didn't actually do. What's the point of doing that?
Either that, or I was misinformed. If the ladder seems to be the problem then all I can say is, "whoops, my bad."
A lot of folks in this thread are worried that they'll be unfairly punished for appearing to support something they really don't. But, at the same time, those selfsame people are accusing groups like BLM and antifa of supporting and promoting violence. But Black Lives Matter as a movement is precisely what it says on the tin. The way it's treated as a controversial statement shows just how little has changed since the civil rights era.
And anti-fascists aren't a terrorist group, they also aren't a formal group in any way at all. There is no bar of membership to be anti-fascist, doing something to oppose fascism? Congrats, you're antifa. You don't have to join a black bloc protest and punch a nazi to be an antifa...
You know what promoting rioting makes you? A rioter. You know what looting makes you? A looter. Anti-fascists ain't about either no matter how much people seem to want hem to be so they can keep going "but both sides are bad though!" and never have to take an actual stance or change their own behavior at all.
Peaceful protests against people who have no intent to use nonviolent means is a waste of effort.
There's a direct line between old antifascist movements and current day ones. They are one and the same.
I mean, it isn't even the fact that you're violent that is the problem, it's the fact that you're swinging blindly hitting a lot of innocents around you, just to get to one person who may or may not be a 6 foot tall goose-stepping piece of shit. Regular people didn't deserve to have the stores they've saved up all their lives to run be destroyed in an instant by a bunch of angry kleptocrats.
You know what's the difference between the 30's, the Martin Luther King era and now? We've lost our appetite for violence.
There is no part of communist ideology that advocates for purging of anyone. Those things you mention are specifically part of the old USSR and they were wrong.
Communism specifically advocates for treating 'social invalids' kindly - from each according to ability, to each according to need, and all that.
People like to bring up Dr King like he didn't explicitly condemn moderates and openly acknowledge that his tactics of nonviolence had no teeth without the threat of violence should society fail to deal with him on peaceful terms.
I personally have NO appetite for violence, I wish people would stop fucking advocating for people - people like me, mind you - to be murdered for 'deviance' or 'degeneracy' because they don't live the same way, don't have the same color of skin, don't have the right spiritual faith, are disabled or simply otherwise 'irregular' in some way... But if people are going to advocate for genocide on these grounds you're damn right I'm gonna stand with those opposing them, whether I like violence or not.
Also, nice to see that you've been tricked by the Bolsheviks to adopt a mantra of the Mensheviks as an ideological shield. You are about as useful to fascists as they come.
Nazis bad, commies good.
And let's face it ANTIFA are communists through and through.
Though on the topic of free speech, as soon as you start restricting what anyone says it's no longer free speech. This is a private website, I get that. They're free to do what they want. It is THEIR site after all. Though I do take offence that communists apparently got a free pass with this CoC update.
And who's to say what exactly is hate speech? Where do you draw the line specifically? Who is in the position to even draw such a line? Preventing hateful content on your site under the guise of hate speech is very iffy to me, and I don't really like it. Also, yay for another site to fall to the PC police.
Quick question though, what about discussions about the KKK, Nazis, ISIS, etc.? Are we allowed to have civil discussions about them, or will that in itself be seen as promoting these groups, simply by bringing attention to them?
Oh and add ANTIFA to that list. AFAIK they're a domestic terrorist group.
https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/.....remists-antifa
the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
© occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331
Yes, the examples listed in the report included carpooling and raising bail money. There are also examples of doxing, violent assaults, and suppression of civil liberties.
But you conveniently ignored those examples, didn't you?
But then more than half the idiots here wouldn't be talking in the first place.
i challenge bigots to prove there have been more than 1000 serious antifascist motivated crimes in the US since nov 2016 because there have been that many hate crimes against black brown and lgbtq ppl
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_....._election.html
Also thanks for giving me a rhetorical counter to the defense of rioting. I should have known, but I only just now learned of the broken window theory.
It's also why I've been critical of those posting articles claiming that Antifa had recently been declared a domestic terrorist organisation by the FBI despite those words never having actually been uttered; there have been warnings about potential actions related to them, yes, but when seeking out the truth it's important to stick only to facts as they are established rather than twisting words into meaning something similar to what one thinks they should mean.
Meanwhile I routinely refer to people who carry out violence for political/ideological reasons as "violent shitheads" and somehow people manage to get offended by that. So fuck me, I guess?
You have always been allowed to have civil discussions about anything you want.
It is when you begin acting badly towards those you are having the discussion with or begin to directly promote bad things, you violate the rules.
And Hate Speech is a easy to draw line; The moment you begin talking badly and down against anyone, be it an individual or group.
Freedom of Speech is protection from the government.
You are free to say whatever you want and suffer potential consequences from it. It's not that you aren't allowed to say what you want, just that what you want to say can have consequences, one of those things are being removed from this site, which does maybe not want to see what you have to say.
Your Freedom of Speech is being violated every day by the way, you can't shout FIRE in a movie theater for instance, or well you can, but I don't think the people working there will be happy about it.
both sides are fucking awful and i simply want politics out of the equation. but if the admins are going to come out and declare hate groups not welcome, might as well declare ALL hate groups not welcome.
You have my sympathies. Dealing with antifa must be very stressful.
2) What exactly is hate speech? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+hate+speech Pretty easy question to answer. Nice disingenuity.
3) Nazis ARE bad, communists ARE good.
Talking to you on this matter seems mute, since you're hell bent on saying that communists did nothing wrong in the past, nor are doing anything wrong right now. Look at North Korea. Communists. Look at China. Communists. Communism is a failed system, that will never work, get over it already. But I'll the bigger man, and will end it here, unless you're intending on geting off your white horse with a red star on it's flank, and are willing to talk like a sensible human being. Nazis ARE bad, communists ARE good, for fucks sake where do you people come from?
Stalin did some fucking horrible things, nobody but tankie revolutionary fantasy masturbators try to say anything otherwise.
I was replying to an oversimplified statement with an equally oversimplified statement. Any communist or socialist state which never gave workers ownership of the means of production has been a failure and any that fails to do so will always be a failure. I'm also not interested in obsessing over the past and arguing over whether Stalin or Lenin was right or if Marx or Engels or anyone else had the best idea, I'm only interested in seeing what they did wrong, what they did right, and what can be done to avoid the mistakes of the past moving forward.
For the record; I'm not personally a communist, I am a socialist purely predicated on the fact that I haven't seen a system closer to the ideal that human lives have no worth because they are beyond worth and that human lives are always more important than money, or property, or order, or anything else. I am friends with communists of various types and enjoy talking to them about their beliefs, how they can be applied, the failings of past communist states...
The only reason I take offence at ANTIFA getting a free pass is because they are a hate group. They are stirring unrest, they come to protests simply to fight ffs. Saying ANTIFA should get a free pass is like giving a neo Nazi a free pass. They are both hate groups, that work off of the mentality "If you're not with us, you're against is"
Personally I don't really care, in fact I find it disgraceful that we're even having this conversation (not just between you and me, but this whole comment section). I have my own problems to deal with over here in Europe. Neo Nazis and communists are the least of our worries, when Merkel is clearly off her rocker, and is still not realizing the damage she's doing with allowing all these refugees to flood into Europe. I will not hide the fact that I do not like Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, Islam is hate filled religion, that wishes nothing but its own domination. But I'm getting off track -.-
The simple fact that I'm here is that ANTIFA got a free pass, and that the general feeling of the mainstream media is "Communists good, Nazis bad". They're both equally bad. I wouldn't mind ANTIFA if they didn't go on the streets and cause severe property damage, and harm innocent civilians that simply don't stand with them, so they must be against them. That's the problem I have with this whole thing. That seemingly ANTIFA isn't considered a hate group, and that it doesn't promote violence and hate towards any and all "outsiders."
In my eyes at least, defending ANTIFA is the same as defending neo Nazis. No hate groups should have a platform, though that in itself conflicts with my own opinion on what free speech is supposed to represent. For me, the line between genuine free speech and hate speech is a thin one, and the arrogance of some people that claim to know where that line is, and quite clearly draw it in the sand, disgusts me. But that’s way off point here. FA needs to make money. They do that through advertisements. And no advertiser (as the “addpocalypse” has proven) will advertise on your site if you have something that will damage their brand name. It only worries me that the people behind FA think that advertisers will like to see their adds on journals or art promoting groups like ANTIFA-
Anti-fascists and fascists(of any kind, nazis or whatever) are not equal for one good reason: without fascists, there are no anti-fascists. Period.
No antifa attacks anybody for being a bystander. Period.
Remember when anti-fascists attacked all those primarily liberal protestors through the last year or so for not being explicitly on their side? Yeah neither do I because that doesn't happen.
You obviously don't know a damn thing about Islam if you think it's founded in hate. All religions have people throughout history who co-opt their beliefs as a method to spread hate. Muslims are not inherently bad any more than Jewish people or Christians or any other religion are inherently bad. And refugees are not bad people for fleeing for their lives from death and destruction.
Antifa doesn't "promote hate towards outsiders", because there are no outsiders to antifa. There is no bar of group membership for being an anti-fascists. It is a stance, not a membership, and someone not working actively against fascism is not automatically a fascist by anyone's measure.
As far as refugees go, I really don't have anything against them. If they go back once things have settled down. FFS my country took in countless of Bosnian and the like refugees when the Balkans exploded into a bloody civil war simply because Serbia couldn't stand their failed state well, failing. Yet they went back. These people won't go back, they're here to stay. That's what I don't like about these refugees. And the simple fact multiple crimes religion and ideological crimes have been committed by them. Grown Muslim men patrolling the streets, threatening anyone that doesn't abide by their beliefs (and no I can't be arsed to find articles about it, the new years scandal about 2 years ago is proof of that)?
And if ANTIFA doesn't promote violence against outsiders, please do explain to me why the seemingly always end up fighting, even coming to riots wearing shields and clubs? Explain that please.
Yes, the bible has some really gross stuff in it, like murdering people for wearing cloth made from more than one kind of fiber, or rules concerning the treatment of women as property. Fortunately among those who are actually faithful in the world there is recognition that being a literalist is dumb as hell and these texts are written by humans and not the direct word of any god.
You remind me of the people claiming that Sweden is a 'sharia law zone' with absolutely no basis in any fact or reality.
Antifa always ends up fighting because:
1) they only tend to go to places they know there will be a fascist presence
2) the media isn't interested in showing anti-fascists NOT being violent because it doesn't get people riled up or pull in views.
Menshevism is a much more dignified position which allows for collaboration with capitalism to create a socialist-capitalist hybrid model you see in most 1st world countries.
3) Both are bad. Just because we were taught more about Nazis in school than communism, doesn't mean they aren't as bad or worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_.....munist_regimes http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/221.....-20th-century/ http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e.....s-2081630.html
I'm sure there's more sources, I just can't be bothered to find them all.
And yeah uh people like the USSR piggybacking communist ideology to consolidate power and assume authoritarian control doesn't make the base idea of communism bad, any more than the nazi party infiltrating and then usurping power of the socialist movement in Germany makes the base idea of socialism bad, any more than regular people adhering to capitalism out of necessity in their daily lives despite the fact that capitalism by necessity causes violence and oppression as a function of it's operation makes those people bad.
anybody who idolizes Stalin, or Lenin, or Mao, or Marx, or anyone REGARDLESS of whether they were bad people or good people or whatever, is doing a disservice to communism or socialism or indeed to the human race, as cult of personality does not form the basis for lasting change or positive societal change in any way. Idolization is not the way forward.
I think its interesting. Antifa wont be labled as a hate group because it doesnt follow the standard hate signifiers. Antifa doesnt care about your race, doesnt care if youre religious, doesnt care about your orientation. They just hate on political grounds. So if you go against them you are the enemy. So since they dont discriminate based on any of those, it will probably continue to get a pass. It is purely a politics based hate group. Even though they spout racist Rhetoric at times.
So the way i see it FA is opening a box to witch hunt for "hate" but will give Political Hate a free pass by simply pointing fingers at one sect of politics. Maybe thats me.
And I wouldn't worry about a person that thinks that "kekestanis" are a threat and puts them in the same group as Nazis.
Notice how they don't go to fight regular, non-"alt" rightists? that's because they don't care if you disagree, they only care if you're advancing supremacist ideals and fascist ideals.
Also anti-fascists aren't a group with membership, unity, or any defining boundaries. Antifa isn't just folks in black masks punching nazis at protests. Anyone who take any form of direct action against fascism or white supremacy is acting as an anti-fascist.
Neonazis don't really fall under the umbrella of 'it's just a political belief', either. Championing the cause of creating a white ethno-state by any means necessary(including violent means, naturally) ceases to be just another opinion as valid as any other. Especially after they have killed already, and also were caught building a dirty-bomb.
Disagree with the methods of antifa if you like but we can't keep pretending the two groups are even remotely comparable.
'Yes, but I hate them and even though I think they are the real fascists I applaud the use of fascism to counter these so-called 'anti-fascists'.'
It's not really "politics" when one "side" of the topic is white supremacists or sympathetic to them.
Just imagine looking at your favorite dragon porn, only to see an user with the avatar of a bearded old man inviting you to join his holy war. Or how it would look like if someone from FA was actually convinced to join a terrorist group... they'd be like "so is it alright that I enjoy watching humanoid vixens with giant penises stuff shrunken people into their bumholes" while the recruiter is like "dude we behead people for as little as smoking or drinking or not praying 7 times a day, are you fucking serious"
this is basically virtue signaling
Now the staff can get rid of them, so this is an improvement.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it has never happened or isn't happening right now.
Lots of things happen without your knowledge, it is only when you randomly spot it, search for it or people make you aware of it, you will actually witness it.
And example would be a lot of people cursing, yelling and being general d'bags in games like Overwatch, you're not likely to experience it in any way unless you actually have interest in the game or play it.
I think it is regrettable that some people say things like 'I'm not on any side here' or take the opportunity to say that they think centrism is best, because saying that definitely gives people the wrong impression; it tacitly (and probably incorrectly) implies that one has no particular strong opposition to nazi ideology.
Confusion might be avoided if, if somebody really does want to say they don't like Antifa, if they simply say that they 'oppose Fascism but aren't a part of antifa' rather than putting their foot in it by giving everybody else the impression they're half way between the two.
What do you think?
I think one of the biggest issues overall is misinformation. A lot of people attack a lot of things without the most remote understanding of what it is. It's not enough to hate racism "because it's bad", it's better to understand exactly what it is, why it's societally inappropriate, over just hating it. The same goes for any form of facism and most other things. If all you can ssay about something is "It's bad" or "it's wrong" or "it's evil", you're no better than brainwashed into hating it. Which is very ironic when you're actively spreading hate against systemic indoctrination to hate. IE systemic racism and the byproducts of extreme nationalism and fascism.
I don't think anyone rational can disagree that more education is a bad thing. And as much as some might loath it, it's better to understand what you oppose than to blindly oppose it.
I feel like most of the opposition to Antifa is based on deceptively edited clickbait youtube videos anyway, and this fictional menace is a distraction from the real problem that white supremacy and far right nationalist sympathies have experienced a recent revival across the USA and Europe.
So it makes me sad that some people are investing their efforts attacking a made-up boogeyman, rather than paying attention to what the real one is doing, you know?
Honestly... I don't understand why people focus on the groups who are known for or were known for doing this or that. Over just the actions in general.It doesn't matter what group has done or does what, what matters is WHO does it, the individual.
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I fail to see how any level of censorship makes an online community safer.
The far left and the far right are similar in their methods, but to completely different results. Calling them the same robs the situation if any context as to what their end goals are.
I'll give you a hint, it's more or less the latter. While some antifa might be doing what they do because they think it is right, they are still pushing fascist ideals. They want to essentially purge or forcefully silence people who do not meet their ideals. But that's just ok because it's not targeting a minority? That's a hypocrisy. If you chastise one side for advocating violence and hate, you have to condemn both.
And despite what people think, there are more than two sides, attacking the centre to push them into the opposite camp only further proves the proponents of horseshoe theory.
All I did was state what his icon was and you decided to reply about something else as a jab. Good job, dude!
Sergals have this really weird tendency to be fascists or at least symapthetic to them. The combination of MAGA and Sergal is...problematic, especially considering his other comments. https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8058109/ and this, etc, etc. It's not much of a stretch to guess he's at *LEAST* Nazi sympathetic.
And I remember you from the comment thread on the one FastRoo shit show.
Unfortunately I don't know who FastRoo is, sorry.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....errorists.html http://www.politico.com/story/2017/.....nce-fbi-242235
Who have actually, y'know, killed people
Recently
My point is Antifa are terrorists, they're violent and hateful and should be included in the list of hate groups. Including one evil and not the other is bad, especially since (unfortunately) so much political bullshit revolves around them now. Say one thing they disagree with an Antifa labels you a Nazi and says it's alright to punch you. That's wrong.
"YOU DIDN'T CONDEMN NAZIS HARD ENOUGH!!"
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Clarification:
Actual Nazis are fucking evil and the people waving Nazi flags and shouting Nazi chants and whatever else are fucking stupid.
Antifa are violent terrorists who attack people who disagree with them, they also call anyone who doesn't agree with them a Nazi to justify violence.
people who've been living their entire lives in a system built against them, designed to out them as 'violent' if they dare to stand up for their right to simple shit like idk... not getting fucking shot by a gunhorny cop w a broken dick and a fear of reprisal
inb4 I get banned
i just think... there may be a bit more extrismism in the nazi-siding group, which makes them a bit more of a danger. :p
Believing any one side has more extremists than the other is likely built on some sort of bias. Because regardless of race, gender, social status or nationality, we're all humans. And the human averages apply. There are rational people on both sides as much as irrational and violent extremists. The same way there are people on both sides who don't even believe in them but go along as passive followers with no thoughts of their own just to belong. IT's sort of what humans do.
And the problem is, any small amount of violent extremists on either side can make many of those follower types act the same way. That's basically how a riot starts, from a few more violent leaders getting the mob all worked up. Hence why you see riot police try to target those people who catalise the violence rather than arrest every single rioter present.
If the majority of the antifa people denounced the violent members, people wouldn't target them as a problem. The issue is that most of the time, they don't, or worse, justify their actions. Kinda the same thing the other side does too. :P
2017 IS THE NEW 1984! SO MUCH CRACK DOWNS ON FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION LATELY, EH? SOON WE'LL BECOME LIKE NORTH-KOREA.OMG, you are so right! I can already feel being Merkelled as we speak.Hug me, sexy SergalWE CNN NOW
antfia died out anyways about 2 days ago. the leftovers might do something but who cares.
Anyone, who breaks the rules of this site will be dealt with as soon a member of staff see it, in accordance to Site Policies. You can speed up the process by reporting things you see outright doing that or you think might be.Example: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/24701747/
Good Call. I don't want to be accused being a nazi. lol
Love the fact that staff are taking action against this shit though! GJ FA Staff!
This is a common tactic that they use, among many others to try and manipulate people to sympathize with their movement of racial superiority.
They point to some other groups that expose them for what they are and aggressively demonize them to create a narrative that attempts to paint them as "Just as bad" as fascists. This is in no way valid, they are trying to shift the blame, there is no equation between BLM, antifa, or socialist movements to movements of white supremacy, nazism and fascism.
They actively work with misdirection to equate themselves with groups on the left to attempt to make them seem acceptable in society, it is an insidious tactic.
These same people also do not genuinely care about free speech, they seek to silence those who oppose them while carrying the banner of free speech to equate their inhumane rhetoric to something acceptable.
The alt-right is trying to push a narrative of an "alt-left", this too is false. The alt-right created their own title, coined by Richard Spencer, and they use the name Alt-right as a relabeling of what they really are, they are crypto-fascists. They know they cannot gain support for their ideals under the name of fascism, so they had to re-invent themselves under a new name to rally people to their movement. Those on the "alt-left" have never had the need to reinvent themselves, they will gladly admit that they are a socialist, communist, anarchist, or social democrats, they have no need to hide behind a false name because their ideologies do not entail false beliefs of racial superiority.
The alt-right also enforces the tactic of camaraderie of the accused. They attempt to push a narrative that those who oppose them are out to silence those with centrist beliefs, and this narrative is false. These crypto-fascists try to manipulate people into supporting their cause by claiming that those who are exposing them are "coming for them next" and this is in no way true, they are simply trying to gain sympathy so that they can uphold their rhetoric and recruit more people to their cause.
Another tactic they use is claiming that things they say or do is simply "Ironic", "Satire" or "Jokes". This is another falsehood, they hide behind this to justify keeping their rhetoric out in the open as it is somehow more acceptable. They use this irony to conceal the truth of their movement and when they're called out on it, they hide behind the guise of being "ironic". What they are trying to do is expose people to this rhetoric enough to make it seem attractive, yet again, it is another recruitment tactic.
Here is a great video that could help you in determining those who may or may not be a crypto-fascist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4BVGPkdzk
So please, be wary of what you see on the Internet. Please do not let yourself be manipulated by crypto-fascists who are hiding behind a guise to push their narrative.
'Liberals get the bullet too' and all.
Fuck. You.
PS: calling people you disagree with a 'fucking idiot' doesn't contribute to having a worthwhile discussion.
PPS: His name is spelled 'Gandhi', not 'Ghandi'. :^)
I even did it without swearing or insulting you. :^)
The overwhelming majority of the left would not go after liberals in this manner, they wish to work with liberals to improve the quality of life of the general population. The alt-right seek to push for an objective of enforcing priority based on racial identity. The alt-right also has notoriously use false-flags to paint the left as "rabid and violent", posing as leftists on fake accounts to say things like "Liberals get the bullet" along with other statements, this also applies to crypto-fascists posing as leftist activists outside of the internet, this is not a new tactic.
The rhetoric of "Libs get the bullet" does not align with the core values of leftists.
It will get abused, no one uses common sense anymore, everyone is in everyone else' business now, you don't like it don't look at it, saw it and don't like it? then leave. No one makes you or wants you to stay and whine. Art is supposed to be emotional, no everyone will like everything, we all have preferences and distastes. Art is an outlet, a way to draw attention to things, an equalizer, a conveyor, a point or thought to think about. Some art is supposed to enrage, some is supposed to excite, some is supposed to make you cheerful, some sad. Some should make you feel disgust but that's the point of art.
The political correctness leaves no room for honest and necessary conversation and the hatred and violence spotlighting is just shining a light on what they don't want for both sides so both sides are flaring up. I don't want hate groups here either and I don't condone prejudice or violence but if I call it out on any little thing I only make the words bare no weight and worthless and even giving any side recognition gives them a button to press and is justification enough for them.
You want to squash it? Then stop being violent, and stop trying to limit our freedom, be more tolerant, engage in conversation, and let the real scum be jailed. We need to unite as a society to put a stop to both sides tell them they are both wrong in violence and censorship and hatred, ignore them, quit naming them, and don't spread their word and take their power away being unable to spread it. They have the right to speak, but we don't have to acknowledge their bullshit. Being violent, or labeling people, or censoring speech, or being prejudice, or hateful and you are no better than those you "fight" on the other side. You keep the other side alive and working by putting a spotlight on it.
And yes it is ALL sides, it has happened before and we are only allowing history to repeat. See below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years.....f_Lead_(Italy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
Seriously, Google is doing the exact same thing as Furaffinity is doing. That's probably why I've moved on to alternatives to go to.
I just try to use common sense and stay out of it but it is getting increasingly hard not to speak up when we are all slowly losing freedoms and being censored...
Honestly my best source of 'justice' in this regard came from star trek in this scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70
The video, pretty much as true as "1984".
If I offend someone with its use, I don't care. Are you done browbeating a person into feelings they don't share?
Autistism isn't as homogenous as you imagine it to be. You imply here that you don't trust any autistic people to learn and practice social aptitide, which is ridiculous.
You're using emotionally charged language, so you're probably "offended" on some level, in the way we all can be, despite the political connotation.
I'm bothered when people perpetuate ignorant shit, and I don't like to make massive groups of people uncomfortable with little purpose through pejorative demographic terms. I don't see anything wrong with being "offended" or "browbeating" with purpose and conviction.
And you at LEAST care that I care. Life isn't a contest to see who cares the least.
To break it down further, it's a term applied to fascists who actively and purposefully hide the fact that they are fascist to appear more acceptable in the eyes of the average person.
The definition of fascism given is perhaps too narrow generally (though entirely applicable to most modern fascism), but this is a video that introduces the concept.
Those who actually know me know that I am a cooperative lover who wants or promotes love and peace.
I am not a competitive fighter who wants or promotes hate and war and yes, I do love this wonderful site tremendously and I intend to continue supporting it for as long as possible.
My intent is do no harm, remain neutral and settle all controversy peacefully with love, honor and respect for our fellow people.
I still don't get all the hatred especially when so much of it appears to be based on war propaganda which ALWAYS demonizes the 'enemy' (people) of that time period which, in some cases; dates back 100+ years!
And there have been so MANY wars and enemies over the decades that now; I merely refer to it as a 'phantom menace' because the menace is RARELY what it was advertised to be.
The more I study history; the more it is revealed that all wars are "banker's wars" and "war is a racket" as so well put by the most decorated war hero of his time.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8377378/
And all the hate appears to be mostly based on what was SOLD to the public per the usual Problem, Reaction Solution scenario so; wake up people! What was SOLD to you?!?
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8345445/
And then we have "I hate hate speech speech" which is the ultimate in insanity where haters hate hate and all based on what?!?
What IF all the hate is actually the result of 'programing' of the masses and there never was any "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?
What IF it really is all about economics and control of world commerce and financing?
No matter the war; both sides have to FINANCE it therefore; FOLLOW THE MONEY if you really want to comprehend the true cause and nature of hate and war.
Please forgive me for asking and thank you once again for all your efforts.
If there is anything I can to do help more; please let me know what I can do for you.
Kindest regards;
}:>
Thank you for the reminder as I really do love the IRS and the deep discounts it offers to us holders in due course creditors of the bank notes and original issuers of new financial instrument-properties by way of our "Authorized Signature" which keeps our servant's paychecks from bouncing and this entire bubble from bursting.
Please forgive me for asking questions.
Is it possible there are many taxpayers who are abandoning debt everywhere because they fail to comprehend who they are, what they are and what they originated and issued in a debt based system? Which of course; would be a major cause of ever increasing debt all throughout the system of banking and commerce.
Is it possible many fail to comprehend the true nature of the system because the terminology still being used is very old and outdated?
College course video: Demystifying Monetary & Banking Terms-
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8164082/
Animated Educational Videos - Money as debt-
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8166833/
Kindest regards;
}:>
This commission was headed by Mr. Grace and the report he generated became known as the "Grace Commission Report" which revealed that not a single nickel of income taxes collected ever goes to pay for the daily government services and infrastructure that people believe it does.
100% of federal income taxes collected pays for only the interest on the national debt which was initiated by long dead people and administrations fighting wars long ago... Wars that were financed by international banking interests that finance both sides of each war then they sit back and collect the interest for decades. . .
100% of the federal income tax goes to pay SOME of the interest owed to these foreign banks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grace_Commission
And I believe this is true now that I have been following the money a lot.
I do not believe the mainstream media or turbo-tax version of where federal taxes go.
Such as "invest in technology and education" or "social security" which is funded by more debt such as bonds or simply added to the national debt to foreign bankers.
I believe-
Federal Income taxes do not pay for roads, bridges and other transportation infrastructure.
Fuel, Oil, Tire, Battery, and many other auto part taxes along with vehicle registration taxes and many other road use taxes are what pays for roads, bridges and infrastructure and has nothing to do with the federal income tax obligation for those who actually do receive a federal income.
Federal Income taxes do not pay for schools, hospitals, firefighting or police protection.
Property and sales taxes and other LOCAL sources such as lottery sales and business taxes (licenses and fees) pay for these local services along with other sources such as Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms taxes.
Please forgive my personal beliefs including my belief there is no law that makes it mandatory for anybody (other than federal income recipients) to pay a federal income tax as well as my belief there actually is a substantial reward available to anybody who can produce any such law that makes it mandatory.
If any of you believe there is a law requiring those who do NOT receive a federal income to pay a federal income tax then; there is a huge REWARD for you!
http://livefreenow.org/eye-opening-.....me-tax-reward/
Kindest regards;
}:>
All is lawful and legal here and I do comprehend who and what I am as well as what a US citizen or federal income taxpayer actually is.
Not even sure why anybody even mentioned taxes. . .
PS: The convention was lost not due to any accounting error or past taxes. It was lost due to over $44,000.00 in security costs CAUSED by haters.
This would be one of the main reasons FA had to revise and update code of conduct BECAUSE the conduct of others CAUSED commercial injury DAMAGES!
Kindest regards;
}:>
Also, uh.. what convention are you talking about?
I HAD TO TALK ABOUT IT TO TELL THEM HOW THEY BROKE THE RULES, STAY BACK
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nazi furs fuck off
Or is anyone drawing such going to have to go to DA ( where's theirs plenty of stormfront style groups ) inkbunny etc?
Do note that I am not subscribbed to anyone who makes this art ( that i've seen ) im just curious if your going to try and use this to suppress creative freedoms on a site that's already got more porn than most mid sized human sites. And frankly some obviously under aged material on it as well.
Geez this comment section is even more abysmal than usual.
I'm so glad for this, as a person of the Jewish background, it makes the world a better place when people stand up to targetted racism and hatred, including websites like this one. I hope this has an impact on other art communities, and that they follow suite.
But hey who knows, im just a centrist right leaning libertarian, moderates and other people like us are just evil to the commies and antifa supporters who dont get their instant gratitification that we decide to side with their virtue signalling.
Oh. Try telling them you're a black gay Trump supporter or ask why they are all over /pol/ with bots trying to pretend they are /ourguys/
thanks for lowering my expectations
Has anyone ever just stepped back to think about the implications of these new rules? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say admins have a severe lack of foresight. I've personally seen this place become a haven for the far left. Everything they don't like, they'll kick up as much dust as they can and start flinging ad hominems without backing it up. Seen it happen here too many tonnes to count on my fingers or my toes. I think it's also safe to say that some may go so far as to report images they don't like. Several pics have been taken down by folks I watch because of these types of users. They're not really going to do anything positive for this sites image, only further cement stereotypes about furries.
Just like Marvel, FA will learn the hard way that pandering to the left will burn this temple that passionate furries built to the ground. Meanwhile, those who feel that FA has forsaken them will take their business elsewhere. I'll be here shaking my head and quoting Bruce Wayne's butler the day it does happen
Your move, Furaffinity! Maus out! *drops mic*
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/17317358/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/18458208/
My point being, nice flounce. I don't see Marvel losing money any time soon. And you're hard pressed to find anywhere NEAR as active as FA, random mouse crying about about "b b b but THE FAR LEFT"
Marvel? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies.....=marvel17a.htm
28th for Domestic Gross...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies.....asshrugged.htm comparison
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anti-fa BEAT PEOPLE UP for having different opinions than them! and usually the poeple they beat up aren't even facists! anti-fa is facist themselves, beating people to silence them from speaking their own opinions! however bad it may be, it's free speech. if someone actually believes in facist views, communism, nazism or whatever, leave them with their fucking human right to speak and people will speak up that those views are bad and decontruct them through CIVIL SPEECH, not UNCIVILLIZED BARBARIC VIOLENCE CUZ JOHNNY SAID SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE. y'know, civilization and stuff. anti-fa wants to beat up people who look like skinheads or anyone who disagrees with them, like goddamn kindergartners throwing tantrums
people don't hate anti-fa bc they are facists or they are defending facists. have you seen what anti-fa do to people, and property as well? of course you fucking don't you probably block all that stuff out and blam eit on the evil right wingers or some shit.
some narrowminded people are so sensitive and critical, they'll automatically assume anyone who doesn't like anti-fa supports facism. like, what the fuck?
and seriously, let anyone be in the furry community and don't *discriminate* because of smth petty like their fucking politcal view. or any opinion! jesus h. fucking christ, how narrow minded can you get son?
Like I said, I like the ideas of communism, but realistically I suppose I believe in a middle ground between it and capitalism.
If you're implying I'm anarcho-capitalist, I'm not. I'm certainly not anarcho-anything, and in fact I honestly wish their kind all fuck off out of Antifa so they'd stop setting us back with their "smash capitalism" vandal bullshit whenever we make great strides against supremacists.
If you're implying that the anarcho-capitalists are gonna screech at me, then... well I don't really care what they think of me. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
Ancoms and ansyns, yeah. Destruction of private property is actually rooted in their ideology of marxism. Not sure what they have against garbage cans, though.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w.....-a7927881.html
http://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-.....rorists-658396
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....errorists.html
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/01/d.....rist-violence/
If you are going to ban people for "hateful ideologies" then you need to tackle all sides instead of hiding behind the pillow fort of easy targets like Nazis and ISIS. I understand that many of the users of this website are part of Antifa from reading this comment section, but that doesn't mean you should shy away from condemning them. Thank you for reading this and I hope you attempt to be somewhat fair and issue a revision. There are a scary amount of users here saying that it is okay to practice violence on somebody and that is hateful ideology whether you think it is "justified" or not. And I am pretty sure you said hateful ideology is not allowed. So.
maybe, just maybe, that's bad and should be condemned and it isn't a challenge to your political beliefs (unless, of course, you are a nazi)
hmm food for thought maybe being racist is bad but idk
http://imgur.com/gallery/EGyUKhG
just making sure we're on the same page here because pretty sure that is what's happening lol
why is it that someone says "hey please don't promote genocide here", you get defensive lol
I understand you are incapable of viewing the world from outside your little window because then you would see that your ideas are exact mirrors of the ones that you hate. Again you refuse to self-examine and toss accusations you have no basis for out, in order to virtue signal. Unfortunately my child, buzzwords don't mean anything in the real world. The movement you defend so vehemently is exactly the same as the one that you hate so vehemently. I'm equating terrorism to terrorism as the government and the world at large sees it. I'm sorry that your movement is so poisonous that it can't hold up to the scrutiny. When you grow up then you will understand the way you think is harmful to everybody including yourself. Until then, this isn't a debate to be had with children.
consider that before engaging with them
It will get abused, no one uses common sense anymore, everyone is in everyone else' business now, you don't like it don't look at it, saw it and don't like it? then leave. No one makes you or wants you to stay and whine. Art is supposed to be emotional, no everyone will like everything, we all have preferences and distastes. Art is an outlet, a way to draw attention to things, an equalizer, a conveyor, a point or thought to think about. Some art is supposed to enrage, some is supposed to excite, some is supposed to make you cheerful, some sad. Some should make you feel disgust but that's the point of art.
The political correctness leaves no room for honest and necessary conversation and the hatred and violence spotlighting is just shining a light on what they don't want for both sides so both sides are flaring up. I don't want hate groups here either and I don't condone prejudice or violence but if I call it out on any little thing I only make the words bare no weight and worthless and even giving any side recognition gives them a button to press and is justification enough for them.
You want to squash it? Then stop being violent, and stop trying to limit our freedom, be more tolerant, engage in conversation, and let the real scum be jailed. We need to unite as a society to put a stop to both sides tell them they are both wrong in violence and censorship and hatred, ignore them, quit naming them, and don't spread their word and take their power away being unable to spread it. They have the right to speak, but we don't have to acknowledge their bullshit. Being violent, or labeling people, or censoring speech, or being prejudice, or hateful and you are no better than those you "fight" on the other side. You keep the other side alive and working by putting a spotlight on it.
And yes it is ALL sides, it has happened before and we are only allowing history to repeat. See below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years.....f_Lead_(Italy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
what the fuck are you talking about
all I said was "genocide is bad" and you wrote a novel
genocide is bad man that's all I said lol, I don't understand why that makes you so defensive
"As long as Antifa, who are battling an enemy that doesn't even exist but themselves, and similar radical/extremists groups are also in the mix of this rule change, I have no issues. Long as the mod team know the difference between "just a drawing/story/parody" and "promoting for a cause/movement/group," which I will fully understand will be difficult on a case-by-case basis that may lead to a result of inconclusive or uncertainty with a chance of a poor call, again I will have no issue with this rule.
My only concern is that there will be members who will make reports of writings or artwork or favorite content in a poor attempt to call out "nazi's" or "antifa members" or what have you which may result flooding the ticket system with "spam of paranoia", to put it lightly. Will there be action to those who abuse the ticket system repeatedly, in change of these rules, who aim to only cause drama and/or act only on their paranoia? Basically those who can't accept their assumption of a person or content was wrong or they fail to explain their concern?
Beyond that I have overall mix feelings about this, as other sites have changed their policies/guidelines similar to this but end up killing their own site with how strict they are or how easy they are swayed to false claims yet do nothing when the other side does something similar or exact fashion and are reported on, or less likely to do to any action to the other side. I hope the FA team doesn't follow suit to Twitter and Facebook's actions against "hate speech", which that term has long since lost it's meaning as that it is being thrown around like monkeys and poop... everything is "hate speech" "racist" "sexist" "misogynist" what have you these days... no matter what you do or say you lose; so let's hope FA doesn't fall into that path as well. "
all I said is that genocide is bad, why is that so controversial to you? why is that something you want to refute or argue against?
Of course genocide is bad. I never said you were wrong in saying that, did I? No I didn't, Maybe actually READ what I posted. That isn't controversial at all and I wasn't avoiding it, I simply thought if you would take a half a minute to actually READ what I posted that would have been very blatantly obvious. Maybe don't assume just because someone posted something they are arguing with you. Maybe they just wanted to share something somewhat relevant with you that you may or may not have considered before.
now what
As for your personal condemnation of Antifa, I mean, if you were simply saying "I don't like Antifa burning cars or attacking police or threatening people who merely voted for Trump", I'd agree with you; but you're sitting here like Gandhi saying we shouldn't even punch Nazis, as you say to that idiot BaronVonClop 'Hurting people and advocating violence is always, always wrong no matter what the target is'. Please tell me you're at least for self-defense against attacks and the defense of others, then I'll take back the insult of likening you to Gandhi.
You can see this irrational detachment from reality above with someone blathering about "why won't you just admit you love genocide!!!!" because they want to paint someone as a target with nonsense so it then becomes "okay" to say they are someone you can hit or hate. That is not self defense. That is starting fights and that's not okay. That's being so bloodthirsty for a fight that the assumptions you make about people are enough to justify hurting them, and that's what all this violence has led us to. That's why I want it to stop. No matter what side of the argument you are on, the point here is that one side is getting a pass to be terrorists while the other side is being rightfully branded as terrorists. That's my number one issue.
Yeah, I really can't stand the people who 'argue' like that. I feel like Dark Helmet in Spaceballs, I'm surrounded by assholes. I think I pointed it out elsewhere, how I've seen these kinds of strawmen and red herrings and all kinds of other crap coming from people who are supposedly on my side, and it's maddening.
SUNLIGHT is the best disinfectant to speech to which you disagree. Or mockery, that works too. But 'I think "group x" shouldn't be allowed to assemble or speak" is a very slippery slope.
So lets say you can ban speech you dont like, what happens when someone else with more power than you bans speech that THEY dont like? Yours, for instance? Lets say that the government decided that furries were sick, and so they had the government ban all furry content because they figured it was offensive speech.
NO one should have that much power, is my point. No one can say this speech is bad speech, or that speech is bad speech.
My only concern is that there will be members who will make reports of writings or artwork or favorite content in a poor attempt to call out "nazi's" or "antifa members" or what have you which may result flooding the ticket system with "spam of paranoia", to put it lightly. Will there be action to those who abuse the ticket system repeatedly, in change of these rules, who aim to only cause drama and/or act only on their paranoia? Basically those who can't accept their assumption of a person or content was wrong or they fail to explain their concern?
Beyond that I have overall mix feelings about this, as other sites have changed their policies/guidelines similar to this but end up killing their own site with how strict they are or how easy they are swayed to false claims yet do nothing when the other side does something similar or exact fashion and are reported on, or less likely to do to any action to the other side. I hope the FA team doesn't follow suit to Twitter and Facebook's actions against "hate speech", which that term has long since lost it's meaning as that it is being thrown around like monkeys and poop... everything is "hate speech" "racist" "sexist" "misogynist" what have you these days... no matter what you do or say you lose; so let's hope FA doesn't fall into that path as well.
It will get abused, no one uses common sense anymore, everyone is in everyone else' business now, you don't like it don't look at it, saw it and don't like it? then leave. No one makes you or wants you to stay and whine. Art is supposed to be emotional, no everyone will like everything, we all have preferences and distastes. Art is an outlet, a way to draw attention to things, an equalizer, a conveyor, a point or thought to think about. Some art is supposed to enrage, some is supposed to excite, some is supposed to make you cheerful, some sad. Some should make you feel disgust but that's the point of art.
The political correctness leaves no room for honest and necessary conversation and the hatred and violence spotlighting is just shining a light on what they don't want for both sides so both sides are flaring up. I don't want hate groups here either and I don't condone prejudice or violence but if I call it out on any little thing I only make the words bare no weight and worthless and even giving any side recognition gives them a button to press and is justification enough for them.
You want to squash it? Then stop being violent, and stop trying to limit our freedom, be more tolerant, engage in conversation, and let the real scum be jailed. We need to unite as a society to put a stop to both sides tell them they are both wrong in violence and censorship and hatred, ignore them, quit naming them, and don't spread their word and take their power away being unable to spread it. They have the right to speak, but we don't have to acknowledge their bullshit. Being violent, or labeling people, or censoring speech, or being prejudice, or hateful and you are no better than those you "fight" on the other side. You keep the other side alive and working by putting a spotlight on it.
And yes it is ALL sides, it has happened before and we are only allowing history to repeat. See below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
There's a problem with the right wing enabling fascism, and there's people dealing with that problem. FurAffinity has changed itself from the people enabling fascists to the people dealing with that problem - albeit in an exceptionally perfunctory and weak way. Banning hate groups is a very small step and it's insufficient to deal with the wider issues of cryptofascists, but it's a step in the right direction nonetheless.
Yes, and with this issue, there's a correct side, which is the side opposing people who advocate for ethnonationalism and genocide, and an incorrect side, the side defending them. It is absolutely acceptable to use violence against people who desire the eradication of an entire race of people.
You are awesome and I love you. The fact that there are people on FA who will go this far out of their way to defend literal Nazis and portray them as just harmless political activists is sickening.
It isn't just one side that wants to do you wrong though either, and you have to be careful not to lump allies with differing viewpoints in with extremists, while also considering those you consider to be "allies" may be just as extreme albeit on the other 'side' using you. Have you seen the way they speak 'for us'? Like we don't have our own voices? and if anything we say is not in line with their agenda they try to shut us down all the same. There can not be that censorship, there has to be conversation. We have to stand for equality and freedom and tolerance.
Please I again urge you to follow the sources I linked. This has happened before and at this rate we will repeat history here, it is all extreme sides to fault here. You want to "resist facism" then you can not allow violence to be the course of action taken when other options are available such as political discourse and promoting conversation. The problem is both sides are using labels to divide, both sides are promoting and provoking violence, both sides are trying to censor speech. History has shown the right and the left alike can both be fascist and what you are calling "resistance" their actions are fascist too and both sides are only fueling the other, we are literally repeating history.
Also:
"History has shown the right and the left alike can both be fascist"
No, it hasn't. Fascism is an inherently right-wing ideology.
It's like North Korea calling themselves a Democratic People's Republic.
All leftist ideology surrounds the same core principle, that the individuals rights must be subservient to the collective. Be it the 'community' or the 'state'. The 'greater good' if you will.
Not that you probably want to know but I am left wing politically.
You probably also want the Definition of fascism.
A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Checklist
The group over the individual? Check (If you are not with us you are the enemy)
Severe economic and social regimentation? Check (wealthy vs poor, racism, sexism, other divisive labeling)
Forcible suppression of opposition? Check (Violence and censorship to anything that isn't in line with their agenda)
ANTIFA isn't anti fascist, they are simply "anti 'right-wing' fascist" fascists. They are promoting the same violence, censorship, divisiveness, and hatred as the KKK, ISIS, NAZI. They are just as bad.
Well you will say they only attack the 'bad guys', but that isn't true, a countless number of innocent civilians have been caught up in ANTIFAs attacks.
It goes both ways you know, the average 'right-wing' does condemn EVERY extremist group on ALL sides. I see a lot more 'left-wing' however do exactly as you say, naming against one side but not keeping their own side clean.
Good thing according to your own statement "Anyone who defends fascism or cryptofascism has no moral authority" so I guess that includes you trying to defend fascism when it is "your side" right? When it is ANTIFA it is okay somehow?
It is really sad to see this level is political bias and blindness to reality.
The vast majority of white supremacists, Nazis, and right-wing extremists do not want to participate in actual discourse. They want feigned “conversations” so they can inch their views closer to public acceptability and centres of power. They want the appearance of being victimized by “political correctness” so they can gain the sympathy of others, including powerful politicians. We must not consider their ideology as legitimate—it deserves little more than open and outright mockery.
But more to the point: These people want to commit violence. Even if they do not call for it in the open, these people will advocate for genocide of anyone deemed “undesirable”. If ever given the chance, they would not wait to exterminate queer people/the disabled/Jews/Muslims/people of color. They will even strike at “race traitors” if they deem it necessary. Every successful attempt to push their views into the Overton Window—the window of socially and politically acceptable speech—inches them ever closer to the power they require for their ultimate goal: the creation a White Nation for (the Right Kind of) White People.
But violence increases the cost of public participation. It attaches a real, tangible consequence to marching in public with a Swastika flag or a white hood—that is, bodily pain and suffering. (Humiliation à-la Richard Spencer’s alt-highfive is a side bonus.) It also proves that the people targeted by the so-called "alt-right" will not lie down and die without first putting up a fight for their lives. For many of those “alt-right” fuckheads, that idea alone will make their “demonstrations” far less glamorous and appealing: “It was cool when I could just harass black people on Twitter, but getting punched? Fuck that shit, I’mma just stay home.”
These hateful bastards will not stop their bullshit because someone speaks in poetic language about peace, love, and fellowship. Martin Luther King, Jr. did just that during the Civil Rights Movement; he still got a bullet through his face. I may not agree wholeheartedly with the idea of pre-emptive violence against white supremacists and Nazis, but as a queer person, I cannot and will not agree to take violence off the table altogether. Those who would kill me for being queer will never show me the same courtesy.
le gasp
ARE YOU A NAZI
YOU WANNA GTAB???
it came from a lulz thread, FA admin had nothing to do with it.
All I have to say about it.
I personally like that the FA staff are going to try and crack down on the hate groups, but honestly I found FA to be one of the few places on the internet where I can go and not hear people scream about stupid politics for hours. As a guy who wants nothing to do with them, it's normally a relief coming here. Guess the crazies were here all along, just hiding. Kinda sad seeing all this TBH :|
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Got a lotta new accounts to add to the blocklist now, lol
So far, almost all Antifas I've run into have no second thoughts about lightly throwing words around like "fascist, racist, sexist, Nazi" all that jazz, no evidence to prove their claims. Just disagree with them and there ya go, and they'll scream for your removal like a child and do so until "mommy and daddy" do so. Given the admins' reputation around here, I do not expect a very thorough investigation, if any, when these claims are made. More than likely none, because of how easily offended and butthurt these snowflakes are, they'll be mass-reporting to the admins.
Because of my beliefs, I do not expect to be here for much longer. I'm not bigoted, nor am I calling for violence against those I disagree with, but whether that's the case or not doesn't seem to matter.
I don't want any hate groups hurting this community
"We added additional policies regarding malicious speech, specifically targeting hate groups and those who identify and promote them. Individuals and groups promoting hatred (Nazism, KKK, ISIS, etc) have no place in our community and these new policies enable us to take stronger action against them and show our commitment to encouraging a safer community for everyone."
At first I thought they were talking about hate speech but now they're saying about hate groups. FA, there are smart people out there that can find loopholes or word it correctly to avoid these rules. There will always be a way FA. There will be.
So someone who probably has a few screws loose, IE you, is telling others that have seen these groups in action within the fandom that said groups don't exist. Hmmm.
FA never had any problem with Nazis, KKK or ISIS on their platform. This update just serves to gain more user sympathy - "Look at us, we're the good guys, we don't don't like hateful people!".
Remember the Satanic Panic in the 80's? All over again, but this time with Nazis. There's not a sudden increase in Nazis, there are still just a few of them. The media just gives them more attention now, and everybody thinks there's a Nazi-epidemic now.
I'm more worried about Antifa, than National Socialists.
"But they're a company, they're not a government"
What happens when every company collectively shoves them off of their platforms and does everything they can to make sure they can't build a platform themselves? You needlessly disenfranchise people and force social ostracism, and last I heard that's one hell of a formula to create shit like school shooters.
If you're right, and political correctness is harming the fandom, people will flock to your website and FA will be in shambles. It's win/win for you! You get to push your ideals, and your enemies crumble.
If you support Israel, it doesnt mean you're racist. If you support Palestine, it doesn't mean you're racist. If you support Free Speech, it doesn't mean you're racist. You see how easy that was?\
Seems you like to going around flapping your gums about how everyone is an evil racist pig but you! How lucky we are to have your virtuous virtue being signaled to us.
Racism and other such ideologies have no place here. All there is to it. Have a good night!
But after this, I'm totally Anti-FA
watching cucks defend antifa and people trying to explain why she's in the wrong and vice-versa on a furry art site is entertaining
i'll fix my popcorn
ANTIFA
was until I opened this community journal. Very informative arguments posted throughout! Dramatic, yes, but also interesting. :3So I have a question for my delightful FA peoples: if I post a story or two (heck, there's at least one already posted) with bigots included (spoiler: they all die in the end), how far would I be able to go with the more... gratuitous.. depictions of race discrimination before its all deemed a little too hate-affirming? I do NOT condone or encourage racist behavior. The only reason I include such activity in my literary works is to prove a point: that the world is full of sick, twisted assholes who'd rather hate on a minority than make a difference in the world. Why not stick it to 'em where the sun never shines? If they won't ever reform their despicable behavior, what's their use? Anyone with enough common sense would read such a story and cheer for joy, God willing... unless there's far more Klansmen and Nazis and fuck-knows-what-else in our fandom than I realize. :/
Anywho, yes. Shall I tone down/censor (if not reluctantly) those more "racy" moments in my writings? Or does my fiction correlate with my first-amendment rights and I should learn to love the freedom to go crazy via the written word? I don't wish to hurt or offend anyone - just entertain others, maybe even implode a few feeble minds with radical intensity.
Cue me in, kids. I need to know. Shep-coon is curious.
Bravo and brava, FA. The people predicting doom from this will find that all this will do is make the site, and the community, stronger.
A slippery slope is only slippery when the start of the slope is irrational; banning people who think that blacks should be murdered or enslaved, that gays and lesbians should be killed, isn't irrational I'm the least.
So yes, you are advocating for banning all speech that isnt your own or that doesn't personally gratify you. All you have to do is come up with some crap reason to slap NAZI, or FACIST next to someone's name so you can have them removed. Much like the people of Salem attached WITCH to who ever's name they didn't like. Its the exact same thing.
Nazis, get out.