Banning things like that can have reasons that extend beyond America's borders and our "hate" culture. This is the internet after all, and it's global. Not every country has the same "problems" that we do.

SF has always had a strict ban on anything nazi related, you can't even post anything with a swastika or anything that looks like an SS uniform. It's because Tomal is German and the servers are hosted in Germany, where there are very strict laws against the use of any kind of nazi symbols.

eh, if we started banning everything that's banned in another country, what would be left? many countries have bans on anything lgbt related, for one example

The point is that SF bans it because they have to since their servers are hosted where such imagery can't exist.

If FA were to put (or maybe already has) a server in Germany they would have to do the same. That's why they ban cub, because their server host won't host them if they allow it.

It's not always about "what's going on in the world/[insert random country here]".

that would be fair enough if that were the case, but FA doesn't host from Germany or anywhere else. this whole hullabaloo is reactionary from what's going on in current political events

you should not worry about this.

I am okay with this. If helping admins screw up it is them not the rules.

I've had multiple pics taken down over the years by one admins or another, that the other admins say to me "No, that pic shouldn't have been taken down at all". it's not fun to lose pics for no reason, just from one admin that takes things too far, has an incorrect view of the rules, or had their own agenda

losing a picture is never fun.
but rules are there for reasons.
this are two seperate issues.

of course rules are there for a reason, I'm just saying whenever FA adds new rules on banning things, it never goes smoothly, and people end up generally unhappy

people are never happy regardless whatever changes to positive or negative.

I gotta say, I'd be happier knowing there's harder rules against propagating fascism and having a little more admin error/abuse. Change always has its consequences, and I think , given that FA is primarily (though def not exclusively) American, this is a necessary step in creating a healthier community.

More pointless rules. Instead of making actual updates to the site they make more rules.
But heres a thought: If they're banning "Hate" and "Terrorist" group content does that mean they'll ban all this antifa cringe shit too? I mean, they are a terror group now.

"they are a terrorist group now" they've been labled as such since early 2016 though, this is not a new development because of what happened, they simply are.

The thing is it's not a "slippery slope" so much as "whiny Nazis trying to put wheels on it and push it down the wheelchair ramp."

Black Lives Matter? "Don't shoot me" does not compare to "kill all the Jews." Antifa? Does that even exist? Because every single example of "Antifa" the Trumpanzees have produced have been outed as fake.

Presenting a false equivalency is a favorite tactic of total assholes who broke the rules, did so deliberately, got caught, and were penalized for it. Even more true of the alt-right, who are notorious for being whiny little bitches, constantly whining that they are being oppressed every time an atheist, LGBT, or any other non-right-aligned person confirms that such people actually exist.

Could it possibly lead to other things being listed? Well, yeah, especially when the Nazis slap a new label on themselves and start squealing like pigs every time somebody points out it's the exact same shit under a new label (truly, nobody is a bigger language Nazi than a literal Nazi -- "They're not undocumented! They're illegal! It's not Happy Holidays! It's Merry Christmas! It's not the Civil War! It's the War of Northern Aggression! It's not a lie! It's an alternative fact!", etc.). And yes, the Nazis will certainly attempt to have non-extremist subjects censored, but I promise you the argument will only look intimidating when they all gather together and start squealing in unison, but will ring completely hollow once you actually look at the words.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. but. even with that being the case, I see it being a problem when we get an admin or two who agree with them, that X Y and Z all need to be banned as well. and even not being so cynical, I can see some admins just honestly taking the new rules too far (as some have in the past with other site rules).

I've twice had to deal with exactly that.

First was a recent incident where a troller who has since been suspended, I can only presume, responded to repeated warnings about block evasion by, a process that has been dubbed shadow-blocking, where he-

#1: Made a blatantly incendiary comment on someone's artwork or journals.
#2: Immediately blocked the user.
#3: Lurked at the location of the comment waiting for the user to respond somehow.
#4: Reported the user to the admin for block evasion.

And one of the admins, at least at first, was letting him get away with this. But me and every other F.A. user (that I know of) he pulled this shit on appealed the decisions and did have them reversed.

The second one. . . You know, I don't even remember what the original problem was. But I do remember it ended up focusing on one admin in particular, who, I just checked, is no longer an admin.

So yes, there is a real risk of an admin siding with the abusers and imposing the "slippery slope" dynamic. Fortunately, there are ELEVEN staffers with the authority to manage the trouble tickets. If one of the admins goes rogue and applies a "creative interpretation" of the site rules to something it should not, there are six other users on equal or higher footing that could, if alerted, overrule the decision.

What you described is the drawback of having such a large staff; the more people who can handle trouble tickets, the more likely the chances of someone deliberately mishandling it. But the benefit is the decreased likelihood of such abuse being permanent.

So my advice on this issue, for all F.A. users, would be to stay familiar with the ToS and CoC, and to get prepared for that kind of battle as soon as the trollers / abusers make themselves known.

Good thing my art doesn't promote violence.
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