They sound like SJWs to me.

And AFAIK, you *don't* argue with SJWs.
It's pretty much a lost cause trying to get your points across to someone like them.

Tell them to go get fucked and be done with it.

Your color of skin, sexual orientation and/or gender has zero to do with the legitimacy of your support for a group of people.

As a minority I personally get a lot of this white knight bullshit when it comes to cultural appropriation as if somehow sharing my culture with cis white ect... people somehow tarnishes it. It's like "lolwhateverfuckoff".

Well see the rules got changed. Now the rule is men can never speak, minorities are the only ones who can talk about themselves or their issues, in any way shape or form and if you try you're wrong, but if you don't you're a racist fascist sexist homophobic transphobic etc etc etc bigot. Didn't you know That? #sarcasm . Its why i just dont bother saying anything in defrnse of anyone. Not worth the hate from the people you are supporting

It's just so backwards? It's like.. I know, let's build a bridge! But fuck those supporting beams, we can do it on our own!!

And then when the bridge inevitably falls, they're gonna be like "WHY THE FUCK WEREN'T YOU THERE TO SUPPORT US??!! "

THIS exactly. Honestly, these sorts of people are not worth the time of anyone with half a brain and are honestly damaging to the communities they claim to care so much about. They get on my nerves because most peeps like you and me CAN'T win with them. All I can say is, when these sorts of people do the whole "you're cis, therefore you're privileged and aren't allowed to comment on LGBT shit", or whatever other thing they got offended by, then just.. ugh I want to say ignore them, but I know it's frustrating regardless. Just leave them to it and when their bridges burn down they'll realise they're stuck on their own little island with no one to care.

It's basically like they are throwing your support bad at your face so... yeah just try to pass those asshats off as crazy I guess. Only people who are looking to be offended will be offended at stupid shite. Sorry, I'm just a bit sore on this subject for reasons but it winds me up something fierce >>

When it comes to the radical ones, just pass them off, there's no reasoning with these people. If you're not one of them, or think how they want you to think, then you're a bigotted person >>

Either way, you don't deserve their backlash, so try not to stress too much over it. I'm sorry that you got that response though, you are wonderful from what I've seen of you ;^; ♥

There's this role of being an "ally" to the LGBTQ community that's really starting to kick into high gear. It's super great to show support, but there are these invisible lines that you can cross, considering what's appropriate and what's not. I identify as a cis woman, so what I did was look up some videos on how to be a good ally, and how to support the community in the most effective way. I also talked to some friends that are a part of the LGBTQ community, to get their opinion.

It's important to know that you're not going to please everyone. There will most likely ALWAYS be someone that's against what you're saying. Don't view it as "winning" or "losing". Just take in the perspectives of other people and try it differently next time. ^^

Also, in response to everyone else above me...

Not all SJW's are radical. There are some, but not every single one. I call myself a SJW because I'm getting my graduate education in Social Work, so...it's hand it hand. But I don't shoot down people for something that might have offended someone. It's like people forgot how to communicate. Don't come at with your guns ready, just try to be open-minded. Especially right now, our world is SO confusing, and not everyone knows what they stand for. Maybe if people took the time to communicate effectively instead of insulting, or immediately getting defensive...we could all change the way we think. And this goes for both groups - those that use SJW as an insult, and those that claim to be a SJW.

I chose to specifically omit the term SJW for these reasons. I don't have a problem with Social Justice, nor with anyone being a Social Justice Warrior. However the term is almost universally conjoined with a negative perception and almost exclusively used to shut down a conversation and invalidate opinions, a view I do not personally hold and did not want to condone through said use of word in contrast to other posts.

Thus I instead chose a more specific target with a but of vague wording.

I'm not interested in shooting down opinions from others. However I also don't have a very high threshold for what essentially amounts to sanctioned concern trolling. Note that you do not fall into this category and more confrontational tones in my posts are not directed towards you personally.

Oh, I completely agree that it's turned into something negative. Which is frustrating to me, because I selected Social Work as a profession before advocating for people was something to be ashamed of.

I don't think you'll disagree with me when I say that there are those that advocate for marginalized groups that do it effectively, and appropriately...with RESPECT. And then there are those that do not, and they give a bad name for what social justice is supposed to be about.

I made my comment to politely push back against what you said, only because I want to see social justice be something that's positive again, and not something that people get insulted for when they do it on public threads. Which I see. All the time. I'm trying to go against what is now the status quo - XD

We'll see how far I get.

I literally don't know what else I could do though..?
i try leaving my sexuality and experiences out of everything, I have LGBT friends, I ask their opinions on stuff all the time because I don't want to offend anyone, And I take the rout of "My sexuality has nothing to do with being supportive of LGBT rights or expression"

And I get attacked for it by people assuming I'm cis, when I've not mentioned my own sexuality at all.


So then when I think, alright.. So.. I shouldn't really comment on ANYTHING to do with LGBT because I'm cis, but this situation happening is really abhorrent and I think I might be able to help some people understand this thing - So I mention that I'm cis, and that it's not my place, but that I think this smol experience might help an understanding with something, and then I get shit for even mentioning that I'm cis because that has "nothing to do with it".

Like.. I'm REALLY confused?
No matter what I do, I'm getting attacked by the people I'm trying to show my support to..

I might start with asking people why they got offended, or why they were upset with what you said. I might state that I genuinely want to support that group of people, and I might ask the specific handful of people targetting you what they would have you do differently, because you weren't trying to offend anyone. You were trying to do the opposite. I might even try to explain that this makes things confusing for those that ARE cis, because now you don't know where you're supposed to stand.

While I can tell your heart is in the right place, these "invisible lines" need to stop being invisible.
People can't get offended and attack people if they never say "Hey, I know you mean well...but this offends/hurts me". People are not psychic and a lot of people are confused on how to approach transgendered individuals...what asexuals are...how homosexual couples are literally JUST like normal couples....because they've been conditioned for years to fear things that weren't "social norm."

I mean hell, I got attacked by a bisexual girl for defending a heterosexuals desire to join a group for vegan recipes because it was the most active...but she wasn't gay (It was a LGBTQ Vegan recipe group). They told me that I didn't know how hard it was to be them and I needed to take my cis privileged ass somewhere else.

I was the first female to date a female in my town.
A highly conservative...deep southern...town.
People told me they'd beat the fruit juice out of me.
So the LGBTQ community is not always "right"....they need to be more open to their allies.
Or they eventually won't have many at all.

I should clarify by saying that I don't agree with the invisible lines, and I 100% agree with what you're saying.
I phrased the questions, and I stated what I would do to address these people that attacked her because I believe it would start a conversation. This whole communication thing is so fucked, lately...I just think we need to ask more questions and be more open. And that goes for people on both sides.

But, yes. I agree with you <3

Oh I feel you. Communication has become a strange artifact from a previous time.
It got so bad that I distanced myself from the whole community.
I am just a human being who loves other human beings no matter what they have in their pants/heart/mind. I wish others would look at it that way. It's love and people.
Hate has no place in this on either side. Hate breeds more hate, and having hate in your heart can destroy you.

Keep being awesome.

Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. Social Justice Idiots Warriors tend to throw all logic out the window. I find the Black Lives Matter and Feminazi (not to be confused with true feminism) groups do much the same
in that if you're not black or female, you can't speak on their issues and all that. It's pretty ridiculous. Without the support of parties that ARE NOT your own, what's the point in seeking acceptance and understanding? You know?

All in all, I'm a person who absolutely HATES the concept of not being able to have an opinion on something if you're not somehow directly related to it in some way. It's obnoxious and absurd to assume one cannot.

I'm sorry to hear people are being idiots to you though. Best to just... do your best to ignore them, as nigh impossible as that may be sometimes. lol

My best friend is under the trans umbrella and a person still bitched her out for being against transexual people and claimed like.. that she was a lying cis person with the wrong opinion..// I just.. iunno, I think just ignore or block people that get really aggressive about it because there's no way of getting through to people that get aggressive about things.

I get this stupid crap too.

"Sooo, because I'm not full on gay/queer/lesbian, and I'm cis, I don't understand?" -_(|

Not gonna lie. I literally saw today a girl ranting and raving about how Hobby Lobby is racist for selling raw cotton-based decorations and how it is insensitive and somehow related to America's slave history.

Decorations. At. Hobby Lobby.

There is literally no way to win against the more radical SJWs. They think they know everything about what offends everyone, even if the group they are trying to defend couldn't care less and even if the person they're attacking is trying to be supportive. x.x

I'm sorry you're having to deal with that! Honestly though, I get the same thing as a gender-confused pansexual person of color! I don't think it can be avoided even if you are "qualified" by their standards. XD

You generally can't win against stupid narrow-minded people because for them, everything you say is wrong. Or as you're straight (this cis etc thing is complete non-sense to me, although I totally support lgbt+) you don't have a single word to say, don't know or don't understand anything about that.
They bring their cause, which is absolutely legit, to an extreme level and by being so full of themselves, harm what they are fighting for (a bit like extreme feminists who, in lieu of fighting for equality between women and men and everything that it can imply, just want to invert the problem and consider all men as filthy pigs).

As we're on the internet and thousands of different people with different ways of thinkikg follow you, it will be hard to ignore each comment that goes in this way ("you're not lgbt+ so you're not allowed to talk about it"), but it is the only advice I gan give you u_u
Keeping the good and intelligent comment which permit to have a nice conversation or debate with the writer of it, and ignoring those which will bring the debate to a dead end.

I support you though! Keep on telling what you think because it must be done and is one of our legitimate and absolute right \(^3^)/

I have a huge problem about the LGBT+ community 'now'. I literally fought a group of Trans people because of how strict they are and how 'triggered' they can get. I'm one of thee most supportive people. I am but there is always a line... and it honestly has to do with how sensitive people have become. Nobody has a thick skin.

I stopped bringing it up at all because 'i can't win' either. One of my closest friends is trans and she is amazing. I support them in everything but they gotta realize normal people like you and I can't be lumped with all the assholes. Sometimes we really don't know we are 'crossing lines'.

It's dumb... the whole thing is dumb.

^ This.
The lines need to be more apparent. More communication.
Allies are the greatest treasure one can have.

You can never please everyone hunnie.

It's great to keep showing support. Don't let the hate make you stop.

As a bi /ace man, I personally think that you are entitled to state whatever opinion you have and no one can accuse you of crossing the line unless you're making a generalised comment on a group's personality traits.
I sometimes wish that these people had to live in a country like Turkey, which is where I was born and raised, where there's no legal oppression but no legal protection either, for just a year, so that they realise no matter your opinion on a topic, everyone marched on the same united front at some point.
Being easily offended and always having your guns out is a major issue I've noticed in particular in the US and UK (though we have it to some extent in mainland Europe these days as well) and I don't know whether it's a trust issue people are having, if it has to do with self confidence and insecurities or if it's just people loving being keyboard warriors and loud bickerers, but I'd say ignore the said person and move on with making your comment.
I don't think there's a "winning" side in this, though, I see it as everyone pushing when someone tries to impose their view on another.

Sounds like a lot of stupid

You could always be like me and not post about it online. Ever. It's a lot easier to defend your view or reasonably argue it when people are right in front of you. On the web it's far easier to have your words twisted, or have someone do some weird bizarre history research just to shit on you. Just because they can. With no good reasoning. I just prefer face to face things. I'd rather get slander to my face. Plus people with weak arguments on the web tend to crumble in real life. The web is for 90% trolls who are arguing just to argue. It isn't worth the time to be honest to go posting about opinions. But that's just me.

Ignore them, the fact that they are attacking you like this despite the fact you support the good cause shows they are morons who just don't get that straight people can still support LGBT causes and show empathy and understanding to them.

everything is to complicated to even thinkmabout, there fore i dont talk aboutmit lel

Speaking as a Bi-sexual hispanic (Puerto Rican), I am a minority of minorities. And I can tell you this much Krit, Everyone thinks differently. There is no universal way or rule of talking to anyone. Smart open minded people will realize who is criticizing them or who is helping them. You want advice on how to speak to lgbt people? Treat them like everyone else you would. Its that simple. If they take offense its really on them because they are so closed minded they become who they despise the most and they themselves have issues. Just remember everyone is different even if they are in the same sexual orientation/race/sex, etc!

I don't try to be BI, I don't try to be Puerto Rican. Its just who I am!

It was once put to me this way by a friend: There's a two-fold reason for an increase in what most call Social Justice Warrioring and Political Correctness as of late. Most civilizations throughout history have needed to feel superior to/detached from the others surrounding them and a cause for which to fight for or against. This is where religion and crusades/holy wars/conquistadors came from. With the decline of religion in the modern world, there comes with it a decreased overall sense of direction and a lack of fundamental beliefs to fight to uphold. And in the absence of true evils, the likes of which the world has not seen since World War Two, people have begun to find monsters to fight in their own backyards--even if those 'monsters' are our peers.

To sum up what my friend said in better words.... basically people have fought each other for religious reasons for years. And with religion not being as prevalent in society anymore, they're finding other causes to fight for equally as vehemently and violently.

The LGBT movement has been, in my experience, the most close-minded and intolerant civil rights movement in history. It would probably do you better to just say what you think, rather than trying to side w/ them.

Don't even try to reason with those people, many intelligent people have tried to and failed. It'll be exactly like talking to a wall

You can't win regardless. I spoke my opinion on how to treat people who are confused by the LGBT+ community and they tore me apart saying I didn't understand how hard it was for them.

I was the first person to date a member of the same sex in my Deep Southern AL school 15 years ago.
I think I know damn well how hard it can be...but I still have my own opinions about compassion.
These specific kinds of people won't be happy with you no matter what you do.

Just continue to be you and be the amazing soul that you've always been. Block those hate mongering nitwits.

it's not you, it's them. those sort can never make up their mind and they're like little high school girls who are flighty and flaky and only do what's the 'hip' thing to do. such as attack someone for their views, no matter what those views are. nitpicking at small and irrelevant things in a pseudo-attempt to 'break down' your argument. basically they are doing it to make themself feel important and tell other people that they're being oppressed in some way.
i generally stay out of gender/sexuality issues because i don't care enough about other people's issues. i care about my friends that are lgbt-whatever and what they are going through because they are my friends. but i'm not about to start a pity-party or parade for someone i don't know. i don't got that kinda time or energy... yanno.. as an adult, who has to do adult things, in the adult world. >.> lookin atchu keyboard sjws...