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Issues with waiting lists 3.0
7 years ago
I was actually typing this as a response elsewhere, but sadly every artist who's got too many cheerleaders has a similar approach to facing criticism. "Be snarky and block" - That will show them.
And I took forever writing it so I'm not letting it go to waste and might as well just rephrase it; besides since I was so kindly pointed out as someone 'doing it to other people' - giving criticism about how they do business, I figure it would further illustrate the issue with mis-managed waiting lists.
This is in regard to using a 'waiting list' method that involves 35+ people on theirs, probably ETA 1 year for it to be cleared off. And it would really honestly apply to almost anyone in a similar situation.
They believe that casting me out as 'rude' for speaking my mind (generally constructively enough to EXPLAIN things, who would've guessed) and then telling me I won't 'ever get a spot with them' is a form of punishment.
I don't know how to phrase it but, do any of you really think being 'blocked' from -maybe- getting a spot in another list, in perhaps a year (or longer) is really all that punishing? I'm sorry to break it to you, it isn't. If I brought up how I think you're running things poorly, it is because from an outside perspective I ALREADY think I have 0 chance of doing business with you; two years time in the furry world is an eternity, and I'm sorry but perhaps fursuit-aside, it's not really realistic to expect others to want to wait that long.
And that really is the whole point I'm making. Even if I did want something (and lets argue I also did for 'a lot of other people'), do you think the wisest way to do this is to sign up to 10 different lists in hope you reach a spot in one of these 10 different places within the year? I don't think so, personally.
Wait a year, to maybe get a spot for something that maybe willl be done in another year. I'm sorry, even if I did like someone as an artist a lot, isn't it a bit too full of it to think I really need it that badly? Signing up to a waiting list isn't that difficult, you drop your name and then wait months on end, it's not like I can't do it if I didn't want to.
They think because I bring this up it means I'm throwing a fit because I'm not getting something immediately. Don't be dumb, I've waited for some pieces for months, even when I'm one of the 'active slots', and I don't complain about it because I'm used to things taking time.
Of course it is easier to sign up to these lists and conform to it and unfortunately herd mentality is more appreciated when it comes to so many artist's personal bubble.
And whether these other people receiving similar criticism take it personally or not, that is their own issue; reality is that if they have a similar problem going on to the point where I think they should have some change of perspective in how they do business, it probably means I already had 0 chance of 'getting anything' from them in a respectable time frame because of it.
Again, yes.. I'm sorry. If I have to wait over a year to maybe obtain something from you, reality is that I personally consider you as someone I can't do business with. I don't know why people think it's so personal to be told this. I could count with one hand how many artists I would actually happily wait a year+ for just to get a chance. And I can't be the only one thinking the same when you see a 30 slot-waiting-list as a backlog.
But you know? It's more common to hear 'I don't have to justify myself' than 'Maybe I should think about it'; and the funny thing is that I'm not asking anyone to justify themselves, I'm simply explaining why I think they're not doing things the right way.
I never had an issue being forward and outspoken, and the consequences it may carry, that is just how it should be after all.
However I've also never had an issue with anyone I've actually done business with (Barring two people I guess, that's not bad out of like ten years or something!). I wonder if that is because I'm really such a difficult person to deal with, or perhaps I just have some common sense?
And I took forever writing it so I'm not letting it go to waste and might as well just rephrase it; besides since I was so kindly pointed out as someone 'doing it to other people' - giving criticism about how they do business, I figure it would further illustrate the issue with mis-managed waiting lists.
This is in regard to using a 'waiting list' method that involves 35+ people on theirs, probably ETA 1 year for it to be cleared off. And it would really honestly apply to almost anyone in a similar situation.
They believe that casting me out as 'rude' for speaking my mind (generally constructively enough to EXPLAIN things, who would've guessed) and then telling me I won't 'ever get a spot with them' is a form of punishment.
I don't know how to phrase it but, do any of you really think being 'blocked' from -maybe- getting a spot in another list, in perhaps a year (or longer) is really all that punishing? I'm sorry to break it to you, it isn't. If I brought up how I think you're running things poorly, it is because from an outside perspective I ALREADY think I have 0 chance of doing business with you; two years time in the furry world is an eternity, and I'm sorry but perhaps fursuit-aside, it's not really realistic to expect others to want to wait that long.
And that really is the whole point I'm making. Even if I did want something (and lets argue I also did for 'a lot of other people'), do you think the wisest way to do this is to sign up to 10 different lists in hope you reach a spot in one of these 10 different places within the year? I don't think so, personally.
Wait a year, to maybe get a spot for something that maybe willl be done in another year. I'm sorry, even if I did like someone as an artist a lot, isn't it a bit too full of it to think I really need it that badly? Signing up to a waiting list isn't that difficult, you drop your name and then wait months on end, it's not like I can't do it if I didn't want to.
They think because I bring this up it means I'm throwing a fit because I'm not getting something immediately. Don't be dumb, I've waited for some pieces for months, even when I'm one of the 'active slots', and I don't complain about it because I'm used to things taking time.
Of course it is easier to sign up to these lists and conform to it and unfortunately herd mentality is more appreciated when it comes to so many artist's personal bubble.
And whether these other people receiving similar criticism take it personally or not, that is their own issue; reality is that if they have a similar problem going on to the point where I think they should have some change of perspective in how they do business, it probably means I already had 0 chance of 'getting anything' from them in a respectable time frame because of it.
Again, yes.. I'm sorry. If I have to wait over a year to maybe obtain something from you, reality is that I personally consider you as someone I can't do business with. I don't know why people think it's so personal to be told this. I could count with one hand how many artists I would actually happily wait a year+ for just to get a chance. And I can't be the only one thinking the same when you see a 30 slot-waiting-list as a backlog.
But you know? It's more common to hear 'I don't have to justify myself' than 'Maybe I should think about it'; and the funny thing is that I'm not asking anyone to justify themselves, I'm simply explaining why I think they're not doing things the right way.
I never had an issue being forward and outspoken, and the consequences it may carry, that is just how it should be after all.
However I've also never had an issue with anyone I've actually done business with (Barring two people I guess, that's not bad out of like ten years or something!). I wonder if that is because I'm really such a difficult person to deal with, or perhaps I just have some common sense?
