i actually knew what it was like to die...when i was having my ulcer..i was blacking out and i swear i just thought i saw my family in heaven and then all of a sudden i came back to life. so i know what it's like having that fear of dieing.

If you want to talk about it you can message me on discord or telegram. I've been down this road more than a few times.

She had a catholic funeral and such.

I am an atheist, and I was just as scared when I was christian.

Sorry to jump in here, but... look, I know you have the best intentions, but right now, you are preying on someone who is emotionally vulnerable, whether you mean to or not.

Being an atheist does not mean "I am upset with God", it means "I do not believe in any gods." To claim otherwise on someone else's behalf is condescending and presumptuous, and it hurts people when you do that.

And furthermore, becoming a Christian does not guarantee that one finds peace - in fact, often times, it's just the opposite. It brings more strife into someone's life, can encourage self-loathing, land oathing towards other people just because they don't share your beliefs.

However, you are entitled to your beliefs. And I respect that. Respect that Zavvnao has beliefs different from yours, and that this is the worst possible time you could have chosen to preach at someone. What you are doing is not honoring your beliefs - it is hurting someone in a pithy attempt to convert them.

Reply to DragonButtLover:

That is your truth for yourself. And that is fine, but it not a truth for everyone, and does not need to be. I do not hate god because I do not accept him in the first place.
But if you believe in god; just remember that if he is real and I left, that means it is part of his plan if I do not come back to that stuff. And if you claim I can't know him, then neither can you.

What if bringing someone away from their own god does end up getting them punished or sent to their own hell because they went against what is true for them? Or what about if a person tries to bring you to their religion to save you from your beliefs? After all, they are just saying "the truth and giving you hope."

When it comes to religion and you are religious yourself, it sort of weakens your argument to tell others they are wrong when they can do the same to you.

I am not trying to sound mean if it sounds like that.
I am glad you and others are trying to help. if I ever feel better, I'd be happy to do vore things sometime.

Why do you personally think that not believing means you are pretending? Why would it bother you if god was not real in the first place?

And why do I really believe in god then?

You may not mean it, but you are being very condescending. Religion is a compulsion, and you can't make someone believe, as that would be dishonest.

Do you even know what you are saying or how it even sounds? Though the backfire effect will keep either of us from making any progress in convincing one another.

Like really, I can say there is an Invisible pink unicorn, and the fact you do not believe in it means you are pretending not to.

Really, you are saying that atheist, who do not believe in god, believe in god?

That is like saying that not watching football is a sport.

I am mostly emotional and reacting because someone important is dead, but I think I am going in an okay direction.

That is how you are trying to label me though, and other atheist it seems. And it is not different at all. I know I can be nicer, but how you are phrasing things are very rude.

What do you mean by fallen way though? That is literally a projection, as you cannot imagine someone not believing in god, you have to say that they are denying it because you cannot understand it.

And lastly, how old are you? And have you ever had the chance to test and put your faith on the line?
If you where raised religiously and never had the chance to be challenged, then how can you say it is your beliefs if you never came to them yourself? Or had you personally chosen your own religion after having your faith tested?


Yes, I don't like how many atheist are anti-feminist and transphobic, but that does not change how I see the world.

and ps, you are confusing atheism, the lack of a belief in gods with misotheism.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Misotheism

There are religions that do not believe in god or gods, such as certain schools of Hinduism like Samkhya or certain forms of Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. These are traditions who have only had, at most, contact with the easternmost christian churches that faded away in most of asia.

And animism and shamanism does not always correlate to the western idea of god or gods.

We do not need to be perfect. The world is fine the way it is, even if we need to do things to better ourselves as a species and community, the world could be here long after we are gone. Life may even continue millions of years after nuclear war.

Can you say it was out of love that god created a world he things is wrong, then sent himself down to sacrifice himself to save us from his own wrath?

How do you know that you are doing anything better for god in the first place if he is real?

Plus the idea of what is a sin or not can sort of be challenged with a simple question:

1. Is something good or bad because god says it is?
or 2. Does god do good things because they are already good things to do?

The first one means that good and evil are arbitrary, and the second one means that good exist without the need for god.

Okay, we've reached the point where you've stopped being civil altogether.

And I mean *just* you. Zavvnao has been incredibly patient with you and you've been nothing but condescending to him, and now you're resorting to insulting him.

Let me ask you this. Does calling other people delusional honor God? Is this what Jesus would do?

No. It does not, and it isn't.

Whether you accept it or not, the only thing that separates you from the other rigid religious individuals is which box you put your checkmark in. The only thing this is going to gain you is people rightfully turning their back on you in disgust and you using this to affirm your cult-ish notion that "everyone else is fallen, only people who agree with me are on the path to righteousness".

I've been where you are. And thankfully, I got out of that cult mentality before it killed me. Hopefully, you'll escape this rigid belief mentality - this fundamentalism that encourages you to antagonize other people and yourself for not fitting into an impossibly small box.

And no, you don't have to abandon your faith in God to do that, either - you just have to realize that it's not God that's encouraging you to do this - it's people. Flawed human beings that have a lot to gain, politically and financially, from making you isolate yourself from "undesirables", and obey what they say the "Will of God" is.

About what? I made a lot of points in my previous post, and you didn't address any specific one.

I Feel like I was egging him on somehow, though.

Have I been arguing okay at least?

I am part native american, and it is sort of Ironic I am dealing with a christian the same way some of my ancestors probably did.

You've been doing fine. As near as I can tell, your arguments are sound.

You haven't been egging him on at all, if anything, he's been egging you on.

thank you then ^^

Reply to Zachski:

Thank you. I was just trying to be polite to them. Are they trying to prey on me though?

I just want to get a long with people regardless of their beliefs though.

Short answer: I don't think so - they're not purposefully trying to prey on you, they're doing it by accident.

Long answer: I doubt that it's a conscious effort - they're not coming to you, rubbing their hands together, and going "Bweeheehee, he's emotionally vulnerable, time to convert him!" It's not malicious. I believe they really do mean the best. Which is sort of what makes it worse.

The issue is the timing, the pushiness, and the manipulative language that they use. It's emotional manipulation, plain and simple, and I sincerely doubt they even realize they're doing it. I used to be a part of that toxic mentality growing up.

As for getting along, I want that too. But it requires effort from both sides - a mutual respect of each other's boundaries. Otherwise, everyone steps on each other's toes and things go badly. And right now, I feel like there's some serious toe-stepping going on right now, unless I'm misreading the situation.

You're a good person, and don't you forget that. And far more patient than I am.

Anything else I can do to help?

I think you are doing fine. Thank you. ^^

It is nice hearing from you. :3

We should talk more often, I think :)

I myself have pondered this. Many times. I only have one answet to try and bring you peace. Christ. Go and be saved.

You mean be saved from the god who crated people he'd be upset with for leaving his path? Thank you though your beliefs are you choice.

Are you talking about born again christian stuff?

Yes sir. Non-catholic. I was born methodist but im really non-denominational. If you have some questions you can ask me anytime.

thank you. I just am not in the mood for christianity and such. I found my own way into the world by asking questions and thinking for myself.

Nice to hear from you though. ^^

I've gone through this myself after losing a friend a little over a year ago.

In the end, the only thing I can tell you is that you should enjoy life and spend time with your loved ones. Eventually, things will get easier, wounds will heal. They'll ache from time to time, but that's just proof of how important she was to you, and what a positive impact she had on your life.

I don't know what exists after death, but what I do know is that none of the worrying in the world will change that fact - which is how I found comfort in that area of uncertainty and fear, at least. This is a time of pain for you, and right now, you should just focus on getting through each day. Don't be afraid to lean on your friends and your family.

I know we haven't known each other very long, but if you need to talk, I'm here for yo.

As humans, we are aware of our imminent end... And yeah, it's fucking -scary-, there's nothing to sugar coat

Optimistic nihilism: Nothing matters, so why not make the most of it?

If you want to last as long as you can, carve a legacy... Create, post, make a lasting impact... Make your life something worth commemorating... We are all forgotten in the end but you leave a memory of those you affected in life...

I do not mean to be like this. I am mostly losing my mind after going to a funeral for my grandma.

Oh that is awful :(

Yeah, that's totally understandable and I am sorry for your loss

Things like that certainly do make us contemplate mortality...

*hugs* thank you. I have always been a little scared of it all the time.

But I will get better eventually. thank you ^^

I'm so sorry about Your grandmothers death recently, I hope you feel better soon!

It's okay to be afraid of things, especially that life can be over at any point. Makes it just so more important that we just live in the moment and enjoy our time with things and people we love. Don't hesitate on life and live in the name of the ones who are with you at heart, Zavnao. ^_^

Just live your life to the fullest and treat every day as if it's your last. Don't be afraid, be happy to live. I'm sorry for your loss and if you ever need to talk, just message me. If you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I'll help in any way I can. Have hope and keep going strong. There is a point to everything. Nothing is pointless. Hope conquers all.

I had several narcosis when I had a kidney stone. I think death is a peaceful blackness, freed of all physical senses. but you´re still sensing something somehow. its more like you´re floating in a peaceful slumber ready to wake up again. well since than I´m not afraid of death anymore.

I just go to bed worrying I will never wake up, and it is just blackness forever. or not even that as I am gone.

you know; I wonder why nature made us dealing with feelings of losses. If one of your parents die, you feel a loss. If your pet dies you feel a loss. if your friend is moving you feel a loss. if you´re going to die you feel a loss. and every wound will heal with time or atleast will make it less painful. I wonder why nature gave us senses, just to trust them and loose them when we die. maybe if we wouldnt have gain senses we would not fear death?

I know it is okay to be afraid. And it is okay to be angry and upset. I am not just going to sit there all zen and accepting things. I will feel angry and depressed when I am. And then I can feel happy when it is time to also.

We are very social creatures, and I think it makes the things we do feel more real and less mechanical. Though I still would not want to lose you and anyone else.

My grandma helped me grow into who I am. And my thoughts are not coherent in this statement at all. ><

At times I would love to hit you with a giant hammer ^^

you are allways like: I WILL MAKE IT!

and than feeling depressed again!

thats not how you can be happy dude!

But I can always climb back out. I have you and everyone else I can go to.

well come here then! its a room for two reptiles ;P

I will try if I can. I just don't know how long it would take me to get used to real life stuff or human things. I like the imagination and online freedom. X3

beeing an anthro-character helps ALOT, just saying ;P

and there are alot of good looking gay gayguys out there heh!~

I like being feral though X3

good that you have your anthrozard ready and set ... and naked at your side! XP