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7 years ago
https://youtu.be/PXCLJp541Pw
Because the internet works ...
I can now point to this video and say "ha, I am not alone. And here's a guy who speaks articulately and has a youtube video. He's also explaining what I've been saying."
Because that's what it takes in order to get someone to listen to you on the internet. Because we're an advanced society.
And you will listen because it's a youtube video. and it references memes. and boy howdy do people love memes in 2018.
... seriously, though. My own biting cynicism and hatred of how internet culture works aside, watch the video.
He's very well spoken, rips shallow criticisms, shows a lot of what's going on, etc, etc, etc
He also pointed out a number of things that slipped past me my first time.
And did I mention he rips apart criticisms?
Especially showing the context of criticisms, and especially showing the what ifs?
I'm going to highlight one in particular from someone who supposedly knows better.
the youtube video pulls a Kevin Smith clip saying was disappointed in the end scene of Luke ... and well ... Kevin didn't think it was cool enough.
and if he (kevin smith) were in charge [commentator shows a censored version of the donkey show clip from clerks 2 ... because that's what Kevin Smith is popular for, high skill artwork] ... kevin smith stated
that Luke Skywalker would pull out his lightsaber, deflect those WALKER BLASTER attacks and take out the entire fleet
then somehow get killed by kylo anyway
and, the kicker
Kevin Smith said that the Dooku-Yoda fight scene in Attack of the Clones was a fantastic holy shit amazing moment.
ehem
just to repeat myself
and so that everyone can get a clear view on this praised net-celeb
Kevin Smith said that the Dooku-Yoda fight scene in Attack of the Clones was a fantastic holy shit amazing moment.
and he wanted to replicate that moment's feels with Luke.
ok, so yeah. Go watch the video.
and lastly
... I'm addressing this point because it happened before and I'll say it again here.
- If I didn't reply to you the first time, and you're seeing this and you want to talk more, and you think I'm back talking to you
- it's honestly because I didn't think you were worth replying to in that instance
- I'm not indirectly talking to you. I'm just flat out choosing not to reply to you after reading what you said. And your opinion didn't impress me enough to make a reply
- This is the internet, everyone has something to say, when you get the last word in an argument, the other person probably didn't think you were worth their time
I hate to break the bad news and end this on a sour point, but them's the grapes.
Because the internet works ...
I can now point to this video and say "ha, I am not alone. And here's a guy who speaks articulately and has a youtube video. He's also explaining what I've been saying."
Because that's what it takes in order to get someone to listen to you on the internet. Because we're an advanced society.
And you will listen because it's a youtube video. and it references memes. and boy howdy do people love memes in 2018.
... seriously, though. My own biting cynicism and hatred of how internet culture works aside, watch the video.
He's very well spoken, rips shallow criticisms, shows a lot of what's going on, etc, etc, etc
He also pointed out a number of things that slipped past me my first time.
And did I mention he rips apart criticisms?
Especially showing the context of criticisms, and especially showing the what ifs?
I'm going to highlight one in particular from someone who supposedly knows better.
the youtube video pulls a Kevin Smith clip saying was disappointed in the end scene of Luke ... and well ... Kevin didn't think it was cool enough.
and if he (kevin smith) were in charge [commentator shows a censored version of the donkey show clip from clerks 2 ... because that's what Kevin Smith is popular for, high skill artwork] ... kevin smith stated
that Luke Skywalker would pull out his lightsaber, deflect those WALKER BLASTER attacks and take out the entire fleet
then somehow get killed by kylo anyway
and, the kicker
Kevin Smith said that the Dooku-Yoda fight scene in Attack of the Clones was a fantastic holy shit amazing moment.
ehem
just to repeat myself
and so that everyone can get a clear view on this praised net-celeb
Kevin Smith said that the Dooku-Yoda fight scene in Attack of the Clones was a fantastic holy shit amazing moment.
and he wanted to replicate that moment's feels with Luke.
ok, so yeah. Go watch the video.
and lastly
... I'm addressing this point because it happened before and I'll say it again here.
- If I didn't reply to you the first time, and you're seeing this and you want to talk more, and you think I'm back talking to you
- it's honestly because I didn't think you were worth replying to in that instance
- I'm not indirectly talking to you. I'm just flat out choosing not to reply to you after reading what you said. And your opinion didn't impress me enough to make a reply
- This is the internet, everyone has something to say, when you get the last word in an argument, the other person probably didn't think you were worth their time
I hate to break the bad news and end this on a sour point, but them's the grapes.
We should be getting a two parter in the next couple of years. Brian Herbert (his son) has been going over the screenplay and making sure it does NOT turn into the 80's monstrosity. I have been following it on the internet, twitter, and from reddit since 2012 when the rights were bought by Denis Villeneuve (Blade Runner 2049).
Star Wars is for Kids!
Dune is for Adults!
But i agree 100% with Kevin Smith, dude is right more times than people want to credit him for.
dune for adults
both are awesome, and I'm glad they both exist.
yeah, it's no secret that Dune influenced it. Greatest novel ... that's a excessive term that I always cringe when I hear something like that being said (it's kinda like when someone says LotR is the bestest ever and you're just thinking "is it REALLY though, is it?"). HOWEVER, stating Dune is the most influential is way on point.
I'll explain what the issue with Kevin Smith's argument is ... so please bear with me.
- in fuller context (as it's shown in the video), there was a lot of cricisms about Luke's send off not being LUKE ENOUGH ... which is a horribly vague term.
- Kevin Smith got the brunt of the focus here because he gave an alternative ... the yoda scene as reference
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- there is a HUGE problem with the yoda: it is totally disconnected with plot and story telling. If you look it up on YouTube without the context of the movie ... sure, it's a light saber fight and there's flashy bits and stunts and thrills
- ... but in the context of the movie this was supposed to be a dramatic moment
- It's Yoda facing off against his former apprentice who has revealed himself to be a Sith
- There SHOULD be a focus on this personal vendetta
- Instead the Frank Oz yoda laughter as this foot tall Jedi starts back flipping around with speed that made you question why he even had a can in Phantom Menace (even if they carried this mistake into the Clone Wars series)
- and on top of that you have Count Dooku, an aged Christopher Lee, going cgi rubber doll as a spry backflipping ninja jedi
(as opposed to say, a slow calculating duel with Christopher Lee himself weilding the lightsaber in a refined fighting stance like he had in the Clone Wars animated series)
- it may LOOK cool, but it kinda ruined the moment
- that's why the yoda scene is reviled so much
ok, there's part A
Let's think about Part B, the application of this to the final scene
Luke Skywalker, played by a very old Mark Hammil, is supposed to go toe to toe with the ex-military IRL Adam Driver / Ben Solo. They would have had to use even MORE cgi tricks to make that look cool (if it was to the level of the yoda fight, Count Dooku levels of cgi)
...
that wouldn't have looked good
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Plus, you have this notion that a jedi can delfect an artillery laserbolt (that explodes on impact) from a mega-walker with his light saber ... let alone in a gary stu scale where he wipes out the entire fleet with high jumps and everything else.
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Especially given that the actual point of the scene is that Luke is essentially playing the First Order as fools so that the Resistance can escape, not unlike Obi's own death.
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If you were to take Kevin Smith's power fantasy suggestion as is - Luke is essentially a walking nuke that can be deployed to wipe out the First Order Ground Forces.
- If Luke can do that, why does the Resistance even need to leave?
- They can take out Hux, all the other accompanying generals
- and if Luke can do that, why would Kylo be able to upperhand him?
That's the big fault.
- it may LOOK cool
- but it doesn't make for a good story
I caught myself screaming at the films explaining i could be FAR more evil that these pansies. You mean that GIANT spaceship only has one cannon to shoot at a Rebel fleet escape ships. Open fire all guns on all targets and rain hell.
I have always been a fan of the EU, and which is a MAJOR reason although i have seen the new Star Wars under Disney, i still spit at the fact they dismissed the EU.
Remember, the Sith did in fact use a force bomb. A Thought bomb which stripped the force (and life) of all caught in the blast radius.
There were 2 clone wars animated series
- the first one was amazing and showed Grevious as an unrelenting badass and tied directly into Revenge of the Sith, and also had my all time favorite Mace Windu scene ever
- the second one had a really rough start (some of it was fairly-put painful). And it really didn't get truly good until about the late-2nd-early-3rd season or so (and not epic until 4th with the likes of the Umbara arc)
Lucas, decided to can the first series as no longer canon and started the 2nd series.
So one IS canon, the other ISN'T
And this was years before Disney bought Star Wars (for clarity of discussion let's skip mentioning the cancellation of the second series)
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so hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.
It's also worth noting that this largely was in the books, and while "not canon" it is the source material and inspiration (frequently direct lifting) for new works. So it's not BANISHED like everyone says.
It's a rough call, but at the same time it's also not without reason.