Most definitely incorrect. Art is everything that humanity creates, that appeals to someone, evokes certain emotions, sadness, joy, deep thoughts, anger. In its essence, it's doing its job.

sorry about that. just wish we have more cute aeros

Then maybe, just maybe, instead of moaning, actually either:

A. Don't look at the art you don't like,
B. Contribute to more tame art by commissioning, requesting or drawing tame art yourself,
C. Share art you like,
D. Research on the adult art as a whole and MAN UP. A strong point as it is, but - sorry - even if I don't understand something... So what? It's a personal issue, not a fandom issue.

will do

i know how you can help with that

hows?

uploading your commissions all of them

what's wrong with hypers? Herms, there are too much of but what's wrong with hypers? Go big or go home!

literally everything. its the worst of the furry fandom kneaded into the aeromorph fandom, making some of the most disgusting creations the internet has ever seen. we are a laughing stock of the world thanks to these hyper aeros...we wont EVER be taken seriously thanks to them. plane porn alone was a hard enough concept to swallow for average people...let alone hyper plane porn.

its a phase that has gone on way too long, and its time to let it die...move on to something new and perhaps less cringe worthy...and this is saying a lot coming from a dude who likes fleshy feral plane porn

I see.... hyper is one of my biggest kinks but I can understand where you're coming from.

Do you have discord? I miss talking with you, dude.

I draw aeromorphs/planesonas the same way that someone like  trainmaster185 and you do (minus the fleshy look) because I'm not good enough to draw hyper and I have no intent to try. I do draw fatty and inflated planes, which I hope is fine to you.

This is just drama or chaos waiting to happen...people like what they like and it brings them money can't go against that..then you have the dire's (ferals) who hate Anthro aeromorphs which already is a secret civil war going on there..it's not really gonna change much but only to find another artist or better yet..when you com them tell them not to do hyper? I mean artist draw on what they get paid for to make said person happy (or themselves)..yes could be better to even it out but it's not easy to change something like this

ah yes the dires...another style a certain group of people completely emulate with little difference from the source material, just like the hyper aeros...its a very similar problem that exists on the feral side of things >.< as if there are literally no other ways to draw a feral plane...but thats a whole different story

this network of commissioners are probably the root of this uncreative trend of 90% hyper aeromorph art...they throw money out all over the place to get the laziest, most underdeveloped OC out there...which causes artists to get dollar signs in their eyes and create adoptables, which birdshot the internet with cookie cutter aeros that almost never get developed into actual characters (or even get drawn again) while raking in tons of money...

if anything, hyper aeromorphs are a ponzi scheme...almost identical to the schemes that go on in the furry fandom..

oh fuck i dont expect anybody to listen to me, nobody will realize what they're doing until it blows up in their face...but somebody needs to call this shit out, am tired of everybody staying silent publicly about this while going insane on Discord/Telegram where nobody can hear

Bro you never listen to what I say ;w; As long as it's profitable, I'll keep drawing big stuff and weird stuff, you can't tell people to stop... because -it doesn't work that way- xD

but its still an issue that needs addressing...and it pisses me off nobody has had the balls to say it yet, aside from Ratbat a few years ago...enough people agree with me to make this a valid concern...but people are loosing their shit here cuz they dont realize how many people actually agree with me...they wont ever show themselves outside of Discord or Telegram

crucify whoever goes against the majority i guess, whatever, i dont give a fuck. i stand by every word

Drawing whatever people like is not an issue. The aggressive approach to the case, however, is. You won't help by yelling your lungs out, you won't help by attacking the artists, either. I have... noticed the pattern here in this very approach, the topic keeps coming back but it's always treated with nothing but salt. I can't see you actually trying to UNDERSTAND others' point of view. You're just... being offended by something that existed for thousands of years, dear. It's silly, you know?

If you want to help, take time to research. Provide stats, comparisons. Put the raging opinion aside because, again, it won't do shit, it will only spawn MORE conflicts that nobody needs.

If you want to help, spread the art you love around, create "attention chains" for the artists who you think need recognition. It's so simple to link stuff on Discord, and just as simple to make feature journals loaded with quality content.

And, most importantly, post your own art whenever that is possible. Like, I know you've been going through the block lately, but even the shitpost of those simple doodles would already be a step in the right direction.

Speaking of having balls... Even for a female, mine are already big enough to take the weird concepts like a boss. My mind has reached this level where it won't cringe at the sight of hyper, it won't metaphorically puke at the sight of scat, and won't go absolute "nope" at the sight of realistic gore art. It's ready for anything. I'm uh... not trying to prove that I'm better than you but... consider taking all of this as an example.

And it's late and I'm rambling.

oh i understand perfectly well...its people who just want to be popular, so they emulate a popular artist's style and say "HAY GUIES!! I DRAW AEROMORPH TO!!"...its literally exactly the same shit furries do, which is to be expected after the living plane scene allowed itself to get planted so deeply in the furry fandom... there are people here who actually used to have their own style of living plane...but abandoned it after that style failed to bring them the popularity they desired...so they adopted the hyper bullshit and BAM...instant popularity! Renegadepit called this shit out YEARS ago, i just wish i could have realized it then.

its hard to compete with fuckers who have weaponized art production by taking advantage of stupid people with lots of money to throw away on cookie cutter adoptables. these adoptables the hyper aero artists love to do are the reason they've infected almost the entire aeromorph scene on FA. at this point, doing non-hyper or feral adoptables would be a waste of time, thats not what these senseless fuckers are gonna spend their money on. what needs to happen is the people that buy this shit need to realize that they are literally throwing their money away...and need to STOP buying adoptables. this will make offering them in the first place unprofitable. after that, people who draw or commission non-hyper aeromorphs (and there is a TON of that content out there that isnt being uploaded to FA...) need to be uploaded here to dillute the hyper bullshit, and gradually swing the styles to something that can actually be taken somewhat seriously, rather than just being another cringe worthy Furry-generated turd. oh i'll keep producing feral plane art...but other people need to start pulling their weight too. again, if somebody has a style that differs in ANY way from the big 3 hyper popufurs...then you need to get that shit uploaded here. we need you

as for your commissions, all i can say is it will be a double edged sword. in fact this entire shitstorm here has been giving me a nice idea i might commission you with...

I don't take commissions that are not neutral. Anything that promotes hate, salt, interferes with law, will meet an immediate refusal.

ah HA! so there are things you'll still refuse! heh, bummer, would have looked really great in your style...

guess i'll just have to draw it myself *cracks knuckles*

Meh. I would prefer to see more actual, original content than another mock pic that won't do any good. :V

well after thinking about it, i've decided that, as usual, you're right >.< to be honest i've been sitting on a mountain of ideas that i haven't been able to find the right motivation to draw yet...what better time to draw them than now! =D i might just try doing 1 pic a week until i get burnt out (provided that work doesnt suck all my energy away like it usually does XD) these pics might not be full background images...but it'll still be something XD hell, i already got one lineart finished tonight >:3

i do have a comic idea though, poking fun at the hypers in a less aggressive way XD i might just draw that instead of the idea i was originally gonna do >:3

That's my boy! XD

Oh and re:everything else - I would move it to DM because I have no idea what's going on here anymore xD

just your every day civil war, nothing new for FA

you're fighting the good fight, brotha

I apologize if I offended you with my OC’s and the way they currently look. Drawing my OC’s in speedos (this underwear exists in entertainment for a long time), including non-aeromorph machines have unfortunately made it the norm in my art, but I still stay away from more disturbing swimwear like thongs. I rarely draw bulges on these “speedomorphs” which makes them borderline NSFW (according to some people’s standards), with the except of NSFW works which are more about sex than underwear. Some OC’s like my F-14, Max now wears speedos as part of his character design since he’s supposed to be a an exaggerated “Christmas freak” and his design will always offend US military veterans (because they prefer F-14’s to be women and non-anthro) and make them want to attack me. Since I’m banned from DeviantArt for different reasons, I don’t feel like coming back especially when I warned about veterans and some people who are into real aviation who might get extremely triggered by my works, so it’s not worth me rebuilding my gallery on there.

Also, I’m not a fan of herms, hypers (I don’t know what that is), and possibly these ”diapermorphs” (I mean like adult diaperfurs) if they come out in the future. There’s times I just have trouble eating when it comes to these works and the weirder fetish works on here.

I just honestly have a horrible feeling that drama will happen and some people will accuse and fight each other over who’s art is better, making me one of those outcasts. This is nothing new and has been going on since when I was on DeviantArt when I was surrounded by adults acting like children. I’m glad I’m not a in school and/or special ed work study anymore because I don’t have to deal with bullying and naysaying anymore and I was very depressed during those times because of bullying both online and in real life. I still however have to ignore trolls (they usually hate my train OCs and usually railfans like me) on my official Owen Concorde Facebook page who I now block them even when I take breaks from drawing aeromorphs to draw the trains.

I was thinking about becoming a commission artist back when I was on DeviantArt years ago, but I didn’t care ever since drama broke out and I was slowly evolving my art style to look more detailed and proportional when it comes to both ferals and anthros. I can care less about commission art since some people have already made themselves well for those standards and I usually made requests a lot in the past for anyone who wants them, even if they don’t have the money for a commission. The only source of income will be my railroad career which I still start sometime next summer or fall and you’ll probably won’t see me on here a lot anymore if I do get that career going. At least I can enjoy doing repetitive tasks without worrying about “style shaming” since there’s no creativity in a job like railroading. Yes, I just weigh generosity over greed and jealousy when it comes to making art over others.

As for “hypers”, I know what that is since the exaggerated private areas and I’m not into those since the herm planes became the norm.

Darling, you don't have to apologize for anything. Draw whatever brings you joy, as long as it doesn't interfere with law.

Also Max is a good kitty bean.

Thanks!

Oof, i believe i know who you mean by veterans and the f-14 people, i've had a confrontation with these people recently and they really got on me for having and favoring "provocative" artwork (which i don't really draw anyways?), as well as blocking my friend(who also recently left DA) because she made a lesbian joke and began drawing aeromorphs. Mind you they are quite elitist and strictly religious, and they aren't the nicest cup if tea at all, especially if they think they can dictate what the community can and cannot do...and them attacking/harassing you for that kind of stuff is shitty all around. I can understand why such people getting offended over such things but there's always more mature ways to go along with it, there is much worse out there in the world.

All that matters is to draw whatever makes you happy, there is nothing wrong with it and there's no need to apologize in what you draw.

Thank you very much! I didn't know you were attacked by these people before. How they attacked me was when I used to post pictures of my F-14 Max, especially his bisexual moments in an F-14 Facebook group about four years ago and I've disrespected F-14 veterans with no intention of doing so. This is before they started policing F-14 related works on DA, especially when it comes to anthros. I appreciate them for fighting in past wars and when they did their part in protecting our country against some foreign enemies, but shaming people who drew their beloved aircraft is definitely not a serious threat at all. I even had someone who's both a veteran who worked on the F-14's from DA who kindly warned me about returning to DA after I was banned there and not to post OCs of fighter jets and space shuttles.

naa your art isnt the problem, its garbage like THIS and THIS that im complaining about, hell your stuff is tame by comparison, i still cant get over you've had the attacks you've had.

all the drama happening here is cuz people are literally incapable of handling negative criticism, especially if its criticizing something "popular". this is typical furry logic. the people drawing this stuff dont want to look at their own art and be like "yeah...maybe this kind of shit IS being done too much, maybe it DOES look like a carbon copy of X Y or Z's style...". they mistake my suggestions as demands and completely lose their minds. all this hyper garbage would be fine if there was actually a balance between the hyper content and non-hyper...but there isnt, not on the surface at least...so they dont want their position threatened or even questioned. popularity is all that matters in the minds of these people, rather than the creative process of coming up with their own unique styles and maybe drawing aeromorph characters that dont fit into the cookie-cutter hyper model that is being birdshot all over FA thanks to the ponzi scheme that is "adoptables"...among other things.

being an artist that takes commissions is a double edged sword...you can both contribute to and fight against any given problem in the community depending on whose throwing their money at you. this, and the fact that my art really isnt good enough to sell on commission, is the reason why i havent offered them either ^^;

Thanks Sharky for your reply! I honestly don’t get the “multiple breasts” work either. As for adoptables, I used to think it’s cool on DA years ago, but I see why it’s dumb and very generic now.

Since there’s no action figures nor painted statues of aeromorphs made yet, I think these horrible hypers and herms would also look very disturbing in any 3D form. Who wants that or even a suit of that made? I’d rather Owen made into a statue with his speedos on instead of that generic garbage.

If you have seen my other reply, I would ignore this garbage and just imagine Max and his body being right in front me instead of some herm plane that want to mess up my food.

i totally agree with you,but maybe someone already said this,while things like these produce money,there will be more images

yeah this ponzi scheme of adoptables and people willing to throw money out to buy them (only to never draw or commission those adoptables ever again) are the root cause of this hyper bullshit...cuz ALL aeromorph adoptables are hyper, herm, or both. its a quick money making scheme with almost no effort involved and has great return...money is the root of this problem, just like it is in the furry fandom

you're being swindled y'all! put your wallet away and wake up!

thats true
i mean,im not an aero artist,but 80% of artists what i see that does them,and is quite cringy to see adoptables of ctrl+c everywhere

People will draw what they WANT to draw. And you DO NOT have the right to demand that they change. You're very much mistaken if you think this is going to get anything to change. In fact quite the opposite, it's going to encourage others to do more of what you dislike because you're throwing a fit and trying to make them change. If every other artist is doing it, as you claim, what does that tell you? That the MAJORITY of the community are into it. The only cancer I see in this fandom are the very fee people crying that "it's not right!" and trying to cause drama over it. Grow up. Draw your art the way you want to draw it and leave everyone else alone.

shit i dont expect people to change, nobody will realize the harm of the crap they're doing until it bites them in the ass somehow. but this shit needs to be said...cuz right now, almost everybody seems to be content drawing the most unoriginal, uncreative, cookie cutter aeromorphs, and its fueling this ponzi scheme that is "adoptables" where artists rake in tons of money drawing *literal* cookie cutter aeromorph characters that almost never get drawn or commissioned again. not only is this swindlery, but it just perpetuates the cancer that is hyper aeromorphs.

maybe people are saying "its not right" for a reason, did you ever think about that?

I have thought about that. And guess what? There are more people that LIKE to draw it. There are more people who LIKE to see it. And who fucking cares about adopts? That's how people make money, and that's not their fault that people want the adopts. If no one wanted them, no one would buy them. Did you ever think about that?

Just because you and a few others don't like it means that it's bad. I've had way more people approach me, interested in aeromorphs, in recent months than ever before. So where you are getting the idea that this cancer, that this ruining the community, that it's making us laughing stocks, I have no idea.

No one is doing anything bad. People are doing what they LIKE to do. And that won't change. And it won't come back to bite us in the ass "somehow" as you think it will. The fact that you say somehow shows me that you can't explain HOW it's bad. You want more art the way that you described? Make it yourself and don't put it off on others.

Looking at the rest of this comment section should tell you, everything you say is wrong, isn't wrong at all.

i think the adoptables are a case of people having more money than sense...why waste money on something that wont ever be drawn or commissioned again? why not come up with your own OCs instead of having somebody else do all the work for you? its lazy and uncreative, and sooner or later, people are gonna stop buying them, or at least the schemers arent gonna be selling them for what they want them to...and with any luck will stop offering them all together. thats the "somehow" im talking about

they're approaching you because thats all they think the aeromorph scene is, when in fact its a much larger group of people with styles that are actually different from the hyper shit that pollutes every search page when typing in "aeromorph". its the case of one obnoxious group of people trying to say they represent an entire group when in fact they're just a small part of it...with a serious ego problem

yeah well disagreeing with the so called "majority" isnt a crime either, fucking shoot me

Who gave this man a soapbox and a microphone?

yo momma! :P

How immature.

heh, gotta admit he walked right into that one though x3

Do you think my characters fit the guidelines?

Because I do agree with this statement..

as long as you dont draw their tits wider than their hips...or make their dicks half the length of their body, you should be good. im only complaining about the hypers

I should be fine, I like drawing proportionate characters

K boi

I'll respond:

things to stop:
#1. stop drawing hypers
#2. STOP DRAWING HYPERS
#3. stop drawing herms
#4. stop making every character have massive lower lips
#5. stop making every character's neck wider than their head
#6. stop uploading 500+ different versions of a single pic

~~~

1. No
2. FUCK No
3. Don't typically do it, but I'd love to see you enforce that
4. Are you fucking serious?
5. Again, are you fucking serious??
6. Literally NO ONE does that >_>

~~~

things to start:
#1. start drawing proportional characters
#2. START DRAWING PROPORTIONAL CHARACTERS
#3. start drawing more clothed aeromorphs
#4. start drawing more ferals
#5. start coming up with your own styles instead of copying somebody popular
#6. start actually uploading your work (or commissions) if it isn't hyper or herm

~~~

1. You are out of your goddamned mind!
2. See number 1.
3. Agreed.
4. You wont catch me dead drawing ferals!!
5. Some of us have! Maybe if you weren't such a critical self righteous artist, youd see!
6. Some do a little bit of everything!

Master, you're a great artist! That's the reason why we watch you. It doesnt seem like you're the kind of person I'd wanna be friends with, and this clearly demonstrates why. You are one of a few people who are proposing cookie cutter aeros.

Thank God we dont and wont listen

What a bore if we did.

Stick to your style, and we'll stick to ours. If you have a problem with that, then there's nothing we can do to help.

im the one proposing cookie cutter aeros? last i checked nearly all the aeromorph art being made now are hypers with all the characteristics i listed, THEY'RE the cookie cutters dude ._. just cuz its a style you like and draw yourself (and happens to the be most popular style right now) doesnt mean it isnt cookie cutter. as i said, if it was only 2 or 3 artists doing this, i wouldent have a problem (and really it is only 2 or 3 artists...which everybody else completely emulates with hardly any difference between their own style and the person they're copying)

i liked your style when you first started out, they're some of my favorite airliner-based aeromorph pics...i really wish you had continued drawing characters like that instead of going down the path you did.

you dont have to listen. you and everybody else into this can continue making the aeromorph scene as uncreative and shallow as the rest of the furry fandom.

Welcome to FURaffinity.

"im the one proposing cookie cutter aeros? last i checked nearly all the aeromorph art being made now are hypers with all the characteristics i listed, THEY'RE the cookie cutters dude"

That's bullshit and you know it is! The amount of artists who make their own work and form their own styles is significant! Yes, there are artists who take elements from certain artists, but to turn that around on me is a fallacy! I'm not the one laying out parameters on how aeros should be!

"just cuz its a style you like and draw yourself (and happens to the be most popular style right now) doesnt mean it isnt cookie cutter. as i said, if it was only 2 or 3 artists doing this, i wouldent have a problem (and really it is only 2 or 3 artists...which everybody else completely emulates with hardly any difference between their own style and the person they're copying) "

And I'll reiterate, I have not, nor have I EVER copied any artist for the benefit of improving mine! I have taken inspiration and molded certain details into something unique, but that is not the same thing.

"i liked your style when you first started out, they're some of my favorite airliner-based aeromorph pics...i really wish you had continued drawing characters like that instead of going down the path you did."

This is an argument I've been told about twice already, and it's getting really tired! Am I not allowed to have multiple styles??

"you dont have to listen. you and everybody else into this can continue making the aeromorph scene as uncreative and shallow as the rest of the furry fandom."

Oh, THE IRONY OF IT ALL! FOR I AM NOT THE ONE DICTATING HOW THINGS OUGHT TO BE! My God, Master, can you be any less self aware?! I have spent 3+ years getting to where I am today, and I'm not about to let someone say that I am "uncreative" and "shallow!"

Just because you do not like a style DOES NOT mean you have the right to question it's authenticity! I could be disingenuous as fuck, coloring in lineart off Google Images, but I'm not! I make ideas! I fucking draw them by hand! I spend hours and hours lining, coloring, shading and detailing, and sometimes, I even go out to get a background shot! You have no idea how good you have it! You don't have to like anything some of us do! That is 100% your right! You DO NOT have the right to say we are not creative! I started from the fucking bottom! And frankly, so did all of us!

god you're so thick...look around you dude, now many non-hypers do you see on a page of "aeromorph" search results? its 5 to 1 in favor of the hypers, again...they're the cookie cutters. if it were balanced between hypers and non-hypers i wouldn't have a problem, but its not. aeros with giant genitals drawn in styles that vary almost imperceptibly between one artist and another are all you see.

you are contributing to this problem by wasting all your talent on characters that look exactly like every other hyper aero artist's. its an absolute tragedy you do this...and yes you are allowed to have multiple styles....except you dont, actually, because you havent drawn any aeromorph in your old style since 2017. you've all but thrown away your creative roots in favor of drawing characters that are stylistically exactly the same as everybody else's. you have spent those 3+ years getting better artistically but worse creatively.

but hey, thats just my 3rd party observation, you can continue being whatever delusion you want to be

Yeah, dude, no offense, but you're not gonna stop people from drawing what they want to draw. If anything, you complaining about it is only gonna entice people to draw aeros this way more often.

Draw hyper herm aeros? Good idea!

yeah well this shit needs to be said, cuz im tired of people complaining about this on discord and telegram while doing nothing to even address their concerns where it matters. more people agree with me than you think, cuz they seem to be content staying silent.

fuck i dont expect anybody to stop doing anything, people can continue perpetuating and falling victims to ponzi schemes until eventually they wake up or their money runs out...or the community at large decides to draw something different for a change (which would be the best case solution...) like i said, if it was only a handful of artists doing this, i wouldn't care, but the fact that people just blatantly copy somebody else's style and birdshot it out there with adoptables just makes the problem THAT much worse. yet somehow im being accused of promoting cookie cutter aeromorphs? shit, look around guys...how many non-hypers do you see?

I've noticed plenty

certainly not as many as hypers though...not enough to label non-hypers as "cookie cutter"

Agreed on that,

This is relevant how?

Then don't say anything. It's not actually contributing to any of part the discussion and only distracts

I'm just a friend of Sharky's and an outsider and don't want any trouble, but way I see it, except for Trainmaster above, none of you guys actually addressed his concerns. Just told him to MYOB, okay but, that isn't a valid reply to his questions/concerns.
I won't speak for Master but, maybe he is bothered by all this cause he thinks (and I agree but again just an outsider here) that it makes us, the living machine/airplane in your case community, look bad. As in, the things people say about regular furries-fursuit humping, hyper-herms are a great example to it. Yes I know, don't care what people think etc but I think he has a point when everyone does it, perhaps the entire community looks a little deranged? OFC you can all do what you want with your art/pages etc you correct in that regard OFC but I think Master also has a valid point to be made here. Using the excuse of "welp everyone is doing it" does not automatically mean it is not, to be harsh, perverted to the average man. *wing taps you Sharky*

I uh, I'm also his friend for YEARS and I know his approach to things, and that his opinions tend to be strong. (we tend to argue like an old couple and he knows I love him regardless, lol xD) Don't count me in!

heh, i know we're a weird enough community as it is XDXD and our reputation has been screwed pretty much since day one XD but yeah...it doesnt help when things keep becoming popular in this fandom that only make things worse. every time i think "oh shit aeromorphs could not possibly get any uglier" they do, and i honestly blame getting involved in the furry scene for that one ^^; i used to think the furry fandom was the best place for living machines to go since they're anthropomorphic too, and i've always liked furry art...but idk...10 years later all the toxic aspects of furries kinda rubbed off on aeromorphs, and thats really depressing and tragic to me

the people telling me to just shut up and mind my own business are freaking out cuz somebody is questioning their currently high and mighty status in the fandom...they feel threatened by anybody who isnt a total worshiper of their style. balance in the community wont be in their favor since they have the most amount of publicity right now, so yeah...anybody who advocates for balance is an enemy. hell, the people doing all this hyper shit dont even have to go away (though i would LOVE it if they did...) more people who do non-hyper/feral stuff just need to make their presence more known, get their work out there, and generally stand up for their own styles rather than hiding for fear of retaliation from the hyper bullies. if anything, things have gotten so shitty that i feel like now is a great time to take a stand, fuck this shit...enough is enough. *wings taps you back* :P

well then *puts WWI style helmet on* looks like its time to wage some trench warfare...

Ok! Even though I stated my honest opinions earlier, I usually ignore all the hypers and herm artwork while I just create my own artwork. I remember when fat planes were the thing years ago even though I continue drawing them sometimes. From this point on, I'm not going to jump into any drama especially the stress it brings and it's just as bad as talking about politics.

I am not a fan of hyper aeromorphs, and nor do i draw them, i even have the same complaints about them as you, but you know what? I don't really care if other people want to draw them. Sure, yes, i'm all for pushing for people to draw more proportionate and anatomically natural looking aeromorphs, but you're not going to convince people by complaining, you might even be making it worse.

I'm possibly as underrated as it gets with my aeros at the moment because they don't really fit with the current trend of hyper and sexy planes (combine that with just recently drawing them more), but its fine, i've made plenty of friends who are into the same thing, and more people are slowly picking up with it and it may as well become a trend itself in the not so distant future, but for now, i'm satisfied with what i have as an audience, even if its relatively not as big as someone who is on trend. Hell, even the people who draw primarily hyper Aeros have taken an interest to and appreciate my artwork.

When it comes to adopts, it is exactly how it is in the furry community, why should you be surprised? Many many many furry artists just slap a palate onto a base and sell it like that, and its often far more abused than what you already can see with aeros.

All in all, complaining like this isn't going to make it all easier, there are better ways to encourage people.

oh shit look who it is! i didnt think you'd ever talk to me again, guess it makes sense though, how could you possibly resist the opportunity to give me a lecture? whatevs, i'll forget what happened last month for the sake of this particular battle...cuz we're on the same side with this one...

you, Jake, and Wren are practically doing god's work for the aeromorph community right now (despite Jake almost never uploading his pics here, much to my annoyance) so yeah, right now you 3 are the most valuable people to this community (dont let that go to your head tho >:3) you all draw proportional aeros with almost no weird fetishes tacked on to them, aside from Jake's love of big bellies x3 but thats still tame compared to the real hyper shit. so yeah, if you 3 continued pounding work out there, i think a real difference could be made. you guys have already influenced other artists like topkekm9 to draw proportional aeros, so as long as more non-hyper content gets put out there to show people that you can get recognition as a non-hyper aeromorph artist...the tables might turn eventually. and this isnt factoring in commissions either, so yeah...use this power to our advantage cuz we need you soldier! hoorah!!

the problem is im getting tired of our side of things doing absolutely nothing to address our valid concerns. the aeromorph community really is 50/50 between hypers and non-hypers...but the non-hyper people allow themselves to get bullied into obscurity and they dont seem to have to balls to do anything about it other than crank out 1 pic a month (which is more than i do...so i guess im just as much to blame, but whatevs) we cant compete with these bullies by doing that anymore. there are artists who hardly ever upload their stuff here (like Jake...) who really should be uploading all their stuff...cuz they have a lot to contribute....and there are commissioners (like Throwaway3.10) who are sitting on MOUNTAINS of non-hyper aeromorph art that they just wont upload. if anything we are just as much to blame as the hyper fuckers weaponizing art production by cranking out the most uncreative, bland bullshit characters they can!

complaining is the root of all positive change, for every 5 people who have lost their shit over this im sure there is somebody who has completely agreed with me (and thats probably about right as i've gotten 3 notes from people thanking me for posting this...) so yeah. i stand by every word. if people want to freak the fuck out and mistake my suggestions as demands, they're free to do so. to me the very fact i've gotten responses like that is proof they're just a bunch of power hungry assholes freaking the fuck out cuz somebody questioned their oh so holy status in the community.

This journal was brought to my attention and i must say the content of this is quite interesting, took some time to read this and a few comments thoroughly in the hopes that my rebuttal will be taken more as a civil discussion than a drama stir.

We'll start things off by talking about the 12 things ya listed we should do and not do and i'll respond to them and explain why i do such things.

things to stop:
#1. stop drawing hypers
Answer - We all have personal preferences when it comes to the sizes of characters genitalia, mine is preferential to that of Tame Hyper to Standard Hyper. Not much to add as drawing hyper is a personal preference like i said earlier, just really depends on what tickles your fancy.

#2. STOP DRAWING HYPERS
Answer - Same as above.

#3. stop drawing herms
Answer - The Herm/Shemale gender class is really the most universal one a person can go for, you typically have all the equipment of both male and female mixed together. Now granted the Shemale/Herm side of the furry fandom is fairly over saturated yeah but that doesn't mean folks don't need to refrain from dipping their toes into that side of things. c:

#4. stop making every character have massive lower lips
Answer - As for the puffed lower lip, that's strictly personal taste and or about which artist(s) you were inspired from. For me when it comes to Aeromorphs my style for them was heavily inspired by Wsache007 and RenTheDragon, i personally enjoy my aero's having DSL's though it's completely personal choice like much of the tags here.

#5. stop making every character's neck wider than their head
Answer - Much like the previous answer i developed the thicker neck than head as reasoning that the aeromorph would need to be aerodynamic hence why the neck would be slightly large than their head, to be streamlined and allow the least amount of drag. (We're excluding the extra bits such as breasts and waist genitals as i'm well away that is polar opposite.)

#6. stop uploading 500+ different versions of a single pic
Answer - This entirely depends on the theme of the picture and this kind of thing will never stop, you see dozens maybe hundreds of artist's draw one image and then proceed to create alternate version's. It's really a way for the artist to let their mind wander without really needing to re-draw the entire piece, i personally enjoy doing this because i always have alternate ways i wanted to draw the picture so having alternates is a great way for me to get my ideas out on the page. c:

things to start:
#1. start drawing proportional characters
Answer - Last time i checked my proportions were fairly in line with IRL proportions, it's kinda required when you draw anything in an anthro format. (I do take liberties with certain images primarily because Aeromorphs in general are a matter of Fiction.)

#2. START DRAWING PROPORTIONAL CHARACTERS
Answer - Answer is the same as above, not sure the double post was necessary.

#3. start drawing more clothed aeromorphs
Answer - Now with this pin point i can relatively agree with, clothed aeromorph's are more appealing than straight nude and it's something i myself are currently working on. Clothing in general is pretty difficult to draw correctly because of all the folds twists and other detail bits, even harder to make it look good hence why most folks just draw aeromorph's bare bones.

#4. start drawing more ferals
Answer - I personally don't really enjoy ferals/dires because it's just not my cup of tea, now granted i've seen some absolutely outstanding feral/dire aeromorph pieces in my time and do have quite a big respect for those who draw feral/dire aero's because like the other types of aeromorph's drawing them takes considerable time, effort and dedication.

#5. start coming up with your own styles instead of copying somebody popular
Answer - This is heavily debated and will be that way for quite a long time, 'Copying' another persons style isn't exactly copying their style to ride off their success. It's inspiration and primarily down to what style of aeromroph is easiest for you to draw, for me that just so happened to be RenTheDragon's and Wsache007. mixing those styles together is how i developed my own style which closely resembled Rens and Walters. As the saying goes "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

#6. start actually uploading your work (or commissions) if it isn't hyper or herm
Answer - If i had non hyper or herm aeromorph art i'd upload it, never really had much of a need or want to draw non-hyper or herm pieces.

The aeromorph scene is what you see it as, i personally enjoy the vast amounts of unique designs ranging from all walks of the community, be it Feral, Dire or Anthropomorphic. Now should there be more variety in regards to genders, aircraft models and such? Yes there should be, it keeps the community from becoming stale and over saturated, but it's very difficult to alter a persons mind if they're set on getting a herm or tame hyper aeromorph.

I'll re-iterate that this response is more targeting a civil discussion than a drama stir as i am a man who does like to hear both sides of the story before making final judgement.

oh yeah im sure word has spread about this more than i can imagine XD "this guy is questioning our spot at the top how DARE he! the little drama whore!!!" heh, nobody who commented here freaking out needed to say anything, they could have just ignored me and walked on by if they were so high and mighty...and before i even respond, i'll say that freaking out over suggestions and thinking they're demands is quite amusing from my point of view. i never expected anybody to listen anyway, all this journal was supposed to be was a blunt PSA sponsored by the other half of the aeromorph fandom (which has been around a lot longer than the hyper scene but aaaanyway)

things to stop:
yes everybody has their own tastes, but its REALLY irritating how prevalent this "taste" is among the aeromorph scene. this is not just a coincidence of everybody somehow having the same fetish...this is just people copying a style they have seen make other artists popular, so they can become popular themselves. its so clear thats what this is D= these differences you and other hyper artists have spoken of are so subtle you really have to look through an entire person's gallery to find them. overall, they're just carbon copies from Washe007's original. and not even that, the newer artists are doing their own carbon copies off somebody else's carbon copy...the end result is a cringe worthy physical monstrosity composed of nothing but unoriginal inflated *parts* that would never be capable of actual flight (unless it was strapped to the space shuttle's booster rockets).

yes, the drawing styles themselves might be different form one artist to another (such as one being a traditional artist and another being digital) but as for the characters...nope. since 2012 the genitals (and lower lips for some reason) have only gotten bigger and bigger. its an insult to the aircraft they're supposed to be based off of. and the herm thing is just the absolute worst, laziest possible thing to do, its everything ugly and repulsive about the furry fandom kneaded into the aeromorph scene. you say its universal, but really its just lazy and uncreative. if somebody gave real thought about an OC...they'd pick a single gender, and that might not be the most PC thing to say these days but fuck it.

doing multiple versions of a single pic might be a good way to wander artistically, but theres another word for what happens when those billion versions end up on a public site...spam...it is literal spam when more than 3 or 4 versions appear. its another way hyper artists are weaponizing their style by just birdshotting it on the internet. its a method to get the most exposure while expending the least amount of time and effort. its such a disgusting, shallow thing to do, its literally what Hollywood is doing by releasing nothing but remakes and sequels.

things to start:
oh my god dude if i ever saw a human being that looked like one of your aeromorphs i'd call 911 immediately, because that person would probably not survive for very long ._. they arent proportional, they just arent, its not me being biased saying that either. i hope other hyper aeromorph artists dont think the same thing for their creations ._. yes they're just cartoons and they can look any way the artist desires, but jesus...i've already said enough about the hyper aeromorph carbon-copy style

heh, yeah i think the very fact that 9 out of 10 aeromorph being hyper is the reason people dont draw them clothed. the proportions are literally the source of that problem...no garment, real or otherwise, would possibly look good on something with proportions as out of whack as that. the bikinis and speedos are just laughable when done on hypers, and almost seems like a play on that "swimsuit fetish", especially the male (or herm) characters...it isnt a case of cloth being hard to draw (though it can be depending on how realistic one wants to get) its more a case of nothing looking good. if the genitals were actually proportional though...just about any garment, real or otherwise, would look good on an aeromorph body! hell, aeromorph fashion is something that would be kinda cool if somebody wanted to draw that XD but again, it would only really work with non-hypers

ah yes the dires...another style people have copied with little to no difference from the source material. i like dires just cuz they're the only other feral plane style to become somewhat popular since Snowll, but it irritates me to no end when people just copy it EXACTLY like Ratbat...with little to no subtle differences. this ties in exactly with the hyper aeromorph scene...if people actually put in a little more thought about the concept of a living/anthro aircraft, then maybe there would be more of a variety of styles out there...but no, it becomes a popularity contest and people just emulate a popular style to get popular themselves, as ive said. you say imitation is the highest form of flattery, but imitation is all that going on. i said originally that if there was a balance between hypers and non-hypers (and dires/other feral styles) i wouldent have a problem...but there isnt, not on the surface at least...and that is a problem that needs to be fixed asap...and if it takes a journal like this to address a problem nobody else seems to want to address publicly, then so be it, i stand by every word.

i am not a fan of your style at all...but you dont need to go away. what needs to happen is non-hyper aeromorph/feral content needs to become more frequent to actually balance out the community so one side doesnt have such a heavy, cringe-worthy presence. and the adoptables shit needs to stop, that actually does need to go away since its nothing but a ponzi scheme...

idk...i feel like im starting to repeat myself...i made my points perfectly clear on my original journal, this tl;dr post wasnt really necessary

You do realize how hypocritical you're being right now, right? Everyone has their own enjoyments, and they don't have to conform to what you enjoy. You aren't the great founder or creator of aeros, you're just someone out there who thinks his opinion is right and everyone else's opinions are wrong. Except here's the problem. IT'S AN OPINION. There is no right or wrong opinion on what someone thinks. NoLollygagging has stated his opinions in a nice, civil way trying to show you that those are his opinions and that they are different to yours, and that he isn't the only one. But you feel the need to shit on everyone else, so I might as well do the same to you.

Hypers are hot to many people. That's why they spend their hard earned bread on commissioning artists to draw it for them or they take the time and effort to pick up a pencil and draw it themselves. Props to them. If people didn't like hypers, then why would they commission people to draw it for them or heaven forbid draw it themselves? Because it's easy to copy a hyper style artist instead of copying that style but leaving out the hyper parts? If someone would be putting in the effort to copy something (Which let's be honest, you don't know how to put effort into any of your drawings) that they didn't even like? I think more people like hyper than you give them credit, not because they're just copying the style, but maybe because they actually enjoy it?

Let's keep it real. Aeros are antho aircraft, but saying adding a bigger dick or breasts is ruining the aircraft that they were inspired by is kind of missing the point. They already are so far departed from an actual aircraft that adding what people enjoy to it doesn't really change anything. Although to be fair, your drawings of aircraft are about as competent of a 4 year old who figured out how to draw an aircraft in the first place. What are they even supposed to be based off of? At leas with the hypers, herms and "Big lips" you can at least figure out that it's based off of a Mig-21 or an A-319, not just some flesh colored blob that looks roughly like a plane a 1st grader drew.

Multiple versions are just how people make more money. If people pay their bread for it, they can do whatever they want with it. It's not your money, stop complaining. Those multiple versions still took more effort than what you push out on a regular basis. (although to give you credit, you do seem to do pretty good at shading)

Other things:
Listen here bub, NoLollygagging at least puts effort into his drawings to make them look good. They actually look good. He is someone that actually takes time and effort into his drawings, and has skill. If you want to hark on shit that you complain about people doing that you for some reason hate yet do in nearly all of your pictures, it makes you a hypocrite. Want to talk about proportional? Look at every single one of your drawings. How are any of those proportions to either humans or planes? They're not. They're just flesh colored blobs that have wings and a pointy nose, and apparently that's enough to be called a plane now. And what happened to you wanting planes to wear clothes more? Not only is it unaerodynamic top wear any, a major reason why many don't draw their aeros with cloths, but I have only seen ONE, that's right, ONE picture in your gallery where they are wearing clothes. Why don't you set an example to others and actually practice what you preach, instead of attacking actually GOOD artists for drawing what they want to draw or are PAID to draw.

As to with ferals? They look similar because they are built off of the actual plane, so of course someone who draws a dire PAK-FA is going to look a lot like another person's PAK-FA. Want to know why? Because it's THE SAME PLANE. Mind=Blown. Anthros look different because more interpretation is allowed. But a feral 777 needs to look like an actual 777. And drawing things similarly does not mean that they are copying. Just because I draw feathers on my birds, doesn't mean I'm copying another artist who draws feathers on his birds just because we both share feathers on our birds.

i am not a fan of your style at all...but you dont need to go away. what needs to happen is you need to stop being a hypocrite so the fandom can actually balance out the cringe-worthy copy paste flesh blobs that you draw, acting like such a hypocrite running around thinking you own the place, telling everyone what to do because you personally don't like it, and actually draw some aeros with cloths and "Proportional bodies"

if you think this was all an attempt to say "im right you're wrong" then you're probably the stupidest person to comment here yet. i've already explained why i posted this and what the intentions were, try reading what i've said here rather than just focusing on the knee-jerk comments of other people. again, for the 4th or 5th time, this journal was supposed to be a blunt PSA for the non-hyper side of the aeromorph fandom (which is actually larger than the hyper side, and has been around twice as long) to stop letting themselves get bullied by an obnoxious minority of hyper-aero jackasses who think they own the fandom. just cuz people machine gun carbon copies of the same basic aeromorph design Wsashe007 came up with fucking 6 years ago doesnt mean they represent the fandom. there are many sides to this community, and im getting sick of the disproportion in artwork, THATS the real problem. shit, FA is full of hyper lovers, but at least furry art has a good balance between hyper and non-hyper content. and as much as i loathe ANY hyper piece of shit, furry or aeromorph, i never set out expecting i'd change the hyper artist's habits (though it would be SO great if it did) cuz i knew they'd just go all ape shit and throw temper tantrums that their alleged popufur status was questioned. frankly watching everybody mistake my suggestions as demands has been pretty hilarious on my end.

what else is hilarious is how you felt the need to attack my art skills as filler for your argument XD i might not have the artistic skill level that some of these hyper shit artists have, but at least my characters have their own unique style, rather than being a total fucking copy of Wsashe007 (but maybe with a bigger lower lip than his originals...) that is why i say its a waste of artistic talent drawing hyper aeromorphs...and why i say my 1st grade level fleshy plane blobs are more creative than any hyper aeromorph on FA.

but ultimately, hyper aeromorphs are a tragedy; tragic in the sense that people feel the need to throw their hard earned money away on them despite almost never getting their characters recognized. i still laugh at the people who have a million adops, and then wonder why nobody knows who their characters are...maybe its cuz you re-uploaded a pic that everybody has already seen...and 90% of the time is never drawn again. how is that worth whatever exorbitant amount of money they paid? hell...i get ordering actual commissions of unique individual pics, but adoptables...nope. stop throwing your money away. this get-popular-quick tactic is starting to fail even within the hyper aeromorph scene. its also tragic in the sense that artists with WAY more skills than me, choose to draw the most un-creative, un-unique, tasteless hyper garbage...even if it actually resembles a certain model of plane (unlike my fleshy ones) it still doesn't matter anymore cuz it looks exactly like 2000+ other hyper aeromorphs of that same make/model...if they drew their aeromorphs in a design that was NOTICEABLY different (non-hyper being a big factor here...) and still resembled that make/model plane, then yeah, maybe that artistic talent and money would be well spent, but it hardly ever is.

and just the fact that you have to copy and re-format my own words as a nice little end to your reply is further proof that you hyper people are incapable of doing anything that hasnt already been done by somebody else. people like you are the cookie cutters, the copy and pasters, and its just hilarious how you cant look around at the hundreds of other hyper aeromorph pics (or hyper furry pics for that matter...) and be like "oh shit...my stuff does look pretty similar..." yes, im not the great creator and founder of aeros...but you arent even involved in this problem aside from being into hyper shit. stop being a little teenage white knight to an issue you only vaguely have any connection to, and go back to class or something

get lost prick, you aren't qualified to speak to me about any of this, you're just some random loser coming out of the woodwork to spam my content here cuz you probably dont have anything else better to do. you are about as meaningless to this issue as gum stuck to the sidewalk

get a life or go back to class, you stupid fuck