SAME.

Actually, it is prohibited in the FA rules. But nobody cares. I also talked with one artist one day and told that it is against the rules, but they were like "I need to do art for a living, so I need to do the reminders". Well, I unwatched that artist then, because my inbox was spammed

I confronted an artist about it before and was met with a very unfriendly response.

So it's not just me that has taken note of it.

It would be nice to have some sort of a system to filter these out. Or if artists would use the scraps for YCH auction reminders, so you could only unwatch that to get rid of them.

Look at this guy expecting FA to improve their site like ever

Oh my sweet summer child

"Streams" can be removed in your announcements.
And folders... exist now?

Still not great, but the most popular places usually aren't.

Thank you

Hahah, we both know this pain I see.

Holy shit yes. I really don't get why YCH's are popular either, 90% of the time its always the same generic "hey you're sucking cock!" or "hey youre takin cock!" or "hey you're taking/sucking popular videogame meme char of the week like kass' cock" or whatever, never anything interesting or new.

I have sadly unwatched a few artists due to contant 'reminders', YCH, adoptables.

Same here. Its sad how FA turned into money grinding site. YCH should be banned. Personal notes are the best way...
So guys be strong. Take care

At first it was not a bad incentive for artists to make extra money. However it is essentially artistic advertisement.

You're essentially paying more (or sometimes less) for a picture where you have no creative control over it. It's got annoying because there's so many YCH's being spammed now. I just unwatch artists who spam YCH's. And I generally tend to avoid artists who do YCH's and prioritise them over commissioners who have been waiting 6 months.

yep

The future is majestic. XD

As an addition to my ever-growing wishlist of things I want FA to implement but know they never actually will, I think it would be good if they had a "marketplace" section where artists could advertise commissions, YCHs, adopts, livestreams, and so on separately from the actual art submissions, with the ability for people watching an artist to toggle whether or not they want to be notified of marketplace submissions from that artist.

I agree, I've seen pieces go for like 3 to 4 times the normal cost of a commission from that artist.

It's very annoying.

I've been sorely tempted to write a small app that runs in TamperMonkey that hides YCH things on my submission page.

The funny thing is: it's cheaper to just commission someone.

Yeah, I will agree they are getting a tad annoying.

I like YCH themselves. Its nice to know what one is getting before hand, and generally they have a quicker completion time. plus its a good way to get stuff that you would never think of on your own.

that said, i am sick to death of the reminders.

Yes, though I don't think   Dragoneer is going to listen. He hasn't before.

I would like to see a new submission type, maybe represented by the letter P in the top bar (like S = submissions, J = journals, N= notes), P would be Promotions. This would cover YHC, Auctions, Comission opening posts, streaming notices. Anything at all that is meant to be promotional for the artist and not a submission of actual artwork. I mean this should be drop dead simple for the IMVU team to implement.

This would not only reduce clutter in submissions, but it would also be very handy if someone wanted art, they could go and look through the promotions stream and look for open people. They could even set them up with a required expiration date so artists wouldn't have to remember to take them down when they expired. This would be helpful to both the artists and people looking for open commission slots and it would get people off 'neers back about it. Win/Win/Win.

So what exactly is YCH?

It stands for "your character here" and it is usually a sketch that is posted of the idea, a lot of times with a pink and a blue character, and you bid on the pink or blue character in order to win your character being drawn in that exact pose in the final piece. A lot of times the bids get really high especially if the artist is popular, so you're paying a lot for something that wouldn't cost that much by their normal commission prices.

Personally I don't mind the idea, but a lot of times if the YCH isn't sold, they'll constantly post up "reminder" pictures so that people watching them see it and it can get really annoying to see the same picture in your watch inbox all the time. I also feel it's really discouraging, since yeah, it's for the "richest of the rich" to win especially if the artist is popular.

Oh those, had no idea they had an acronym. Those are incredibly annoying.

Ta for the info.

Not a problem!

Yeah, those do get really annoying, as well as adopt reminders. So far I've only posted a single adopt reminder and I don't plan on doing it often. If they don't sell I'll just either keep 'em or reduce the price.

I don't want to be someone who has nothing but YCHs in their gallery, and spams everyone with reminders.

Speaking of that I probably should unwatch a few people who have been doing that lately to an insane extent.

Right, it seems I am not alone with this. I think I will curb that shit harder in the future.

meine Meinung ist auch die gleiche was die anderen hier auch schon angesprochen haben, eine YCH ist meistens nur dazu da um Profit zu machen, und besonders auch für die anderen für die Superreichen um den Lebensstandard den man hat zu behalten und das finde ich eigentlich auch keine gute Sache besonders auch weil die meisten anderen Künstler, die auch eine tolle Kunst haben kaum beachtet werden

und was ich auch nicht gut finde das bei sowas auch immer statt den normalen Commission's Preis dass die Kommission dann oder eine YCH das Doppelte kostet als eine normale Provision und das finde ich ziemlich unfair auch gegen anderen gegenüber, und die meisten haben dann auch noch unglaubliche regeln beispielsweise dass er dann auch die Rechte an meinen Charakteren hätten um sie weiter zu verkaufen oder für andere Zwecke zu benutzen und das finde ich eher gesagt nicht gut und ich mag sowas auch nicht

oder auch zum Beispiel wenn man Charaktere adoptiert dass die Charaktere meistens dann hinterher noch mal wieder weiter verkauft werden also wieder in die adoptions Liste aufgeführt werden obwohl sie bereits verkauft sind, so dass der Charakter hinterher noch nicht mals mehr einzigartig ist sondern dass er dann überall zu sehen ist und das ist eher gesagt etwas was ich auch nicht richtig finde

ich habe wirklich Verständnis mit dem Künstler auch finanzielle Probleme haben und sie es auch versuchen irgendwo auszugleichen, aber ich finde das sollte man dann auch in einer normalen Art machen aber die meisten Leute, halten sich sowieso wieso nicht an die Regelung an FA

I’m relatively new, but oh god I’ve had that issue so much. I’ll re upload an adopt, event, or prices mayyyyybe once a month. But with people who spam YCH’s and stuff; if I’m not seeing your normal art in the first place, why would I be convinced to buy from you?

I miss when you could click 'Browse' and it wouldn't be 80% advertisements.

I'll also add my point of view as an artist and freelancer here! Just to enrich the discussion, okay? ^^
This post is from 3 years ago, but I still think it's relevant! <3

I read all comments here, and I 100% agree on your guys point of view! Similar to the old dev-art (DA) system, sometimes I would open my unread submissions notifications and get like... 10,000 artworks/posts and most of them selling adopts/YCHs, stuff like that! Or just artists that would somehow post 40 drawings per day (my tendinitis/hurt wrists could never!!) multiplying this number by thousands of artists I would follow... yeah. it was really annoying! And I imagine it also is similar here for you guys about the reminders, of course. Specially on the browse page!

As an artist, and freelancer, I would tell you guys that even the amount of times we announce the reminders, are still too little. If we could, we would advertise way more! (So that's why, as an artist, I 100% understand the limitations added by FA Staff to limit these numbers...). Because sometimes even when you announce everyday for 2, 3 months, you get like... 2 clients. And that's all. Sometimes more, sometimes less, even when you have professional quality art. The market just isn't the same as years ago (and that's understandable). That's why we also advertise on a lot of platforms at once.

And we... live from art money, so we HIGHLY depend on luck, advertising strategies (that includes the reminders), and the amount of people who see your art ''somewhere''. It's very rare that someone will magically find your profile and artwork out of nowhere and even buy a commission after that. So one of the best ways to get money to EAT still is... posting reminders, artworks, etc, the most frequent as you can. :/ It's also hard for us to maintain posting all those reminders over and over again, worrying about the best hours to do so, and posting on the other platforms altogether.

Sometimes, we are already too tired from drawing all day, managing e-mails/clients/social medias and still need to advertise that much... otherwise.. I don' think you'll get to pay rent next month lol

And in my personal case, of course, I have nothing to do with other artists pricing (as they know what's best for them, what prices fit their own effort and time etc..).

But I always try to make the prices for YCHs fair. I even created a separat account to focus on that, for affordable artworks in my style.
For example, I work in realism style, that costs me a lot of days, weeks to paint! A fullbody piece, in HIGH realism, HIGH detailing style would cost around 150$-even 200$ (it depends on the piece). Right?

So that's why my YCHs are priced 25$, 45$.... Etc. Let's break it down:

Because since I'm painting 'clone' artworks, they're easier and quicker to paint than those highly detailed, custom pieces. Right? It just makes sense in my own head and personal process. That way, I can also reach different publics/audiences that wouldn't spend 150$+ in an artwork (due to a lot of their own personal reasons...), but can buy a 35$ artwork, of course, maintaining good quality and good service! They still deserve to get good quality work of their beloved characters and ideas. So that's one of the reasons I sell YCHs :}

So that's why I also think it's unfair to insult the YCH market, guys ^^' think about it a little, for a while.

SOOOO, ANYWAYS xD in my personal opinion, as I read previous messages as well, I totally agree that creating a separate part of the site to post ''Promotional content'', like reminders, would be an amazing idea! A Marketplace!! Or like, if there was a separate category for us artists to post promotional content even on uploading page! I don't think that would be so hard for the staff to implement...

That way, the reminders and etc would be separated from the main artworks/general submissions pages! And organise everything better :3

So neither artists and neither clients, neither the furries and art lovers that aren't necessarily commissioners would get sad xD

Anyways, that's just my point of view... I hope I could explain better how it works for us artists. And add something interesting to this important discussion. c:

Thanks for your time and attention <3

YCH and adopt shit needs to be banned in general.