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About "morality" and drawings....
7 years ago
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When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down. Preferrably with life still inside.
So, it was brought to my attention recently that a certain popular artist received plenty of flak on social media for making an animation of a teenage character caught by robotic tentacles, with swathes of artists and watchers alike dogpiling on them and calling them a pedophile just because said character was trying to wriggle out of the hold. With some even arguing "okay technically it's not illegal or sexual but IT HURTS MY FEELINGS THEREFORE IT'S WRONG!!"
Which has been my major pet peeve regarding the issue of loli/cub artwork, along with other more....controversial themes found in artwork. Where people use their emotional outbursts as an excuse to act like moral crusaders and police what kind of content other people should produce or view online.
Let me clarify, however, that ACTUAL child porn and bestiality porn has always been the things I spoke out against, as it involves actual children and animals being harmed in order to produce content for sick, abusive motherfuckers to get off to. So, some of you might ask "then why are you so defensive of drawn content?" Because no actual, living beings are harmed by this kind of stuff, and not -everyone- who likes, say, drawn loli/cub art is attracted to actual children in real life. That would be like saying ALL furries are secretly zoophiles who want to fuck animals IRL because they love to fap to drawn animal people, or in some cases, feral animal art.
My modus operandi has always been: "you draw/like loli/cub/feral art but aren't drawn to practicing that stuff IRL? OK, you do you, no harm done. BUT: if you watch actual child porn/zoo porn, or use said real child porn/zoo porn as reference material for your art? Get the fuck out of my sight, you deserve to be condemned."
All the people acting like some huge moral crusaders tend to fall into either of these categories:
-well intentioned, but misguided people, who either experienced personal trauma triggered by the content they find offensive as a result, or are overly emotional and act before thinking about consequences of their actions.
-assholes who use "morality" as excuse to just go around and harass others while pretending to be morally superior to them.
-actual offenders who try to divert attention to other people in order to hide the skeletons in their own closets (like the recent incident involving a certain popufur who shall not be named).
My final opinion on the matter: If you don't like it, don't look at it. If there IS, however, a valid, solid evidence that some artist is heavily interested into sexually abusing actual children or animals? Then, instead of acting like a moral crusader on Twitter, do the right thing, and contact authorities.
And to those of you hypocrites who condemn others for trivial shit while you yourselves have committed actual, heinous shit? Mind the skeletons in your closet, you never know when they might jump out and shout "I'VE GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!"
Which has been my major pet peeve regarding the issue of loli/cub artwork, along with other more....controversial themes found in artwork. Where people use their emotional outbursts as an excuse to act like moral crusaders and police what kind of content other people should produce or view online.
Let me clarify, however, that ACTUAL child porn and bestiality porn has always been the things I spoke out against, as it involves actual children and animals being harmed in order to produce content for sick, abusive motherfuckers to get off to. So, some of you might ask "then why are you so defensive of drawn content?" Because no actual, living beings are harmed by this kind of stuff, and not -everyone- who likes, say, drawn loli/cub art is attracted to actual children in real life. That would be like saying ALL furries are secretly zoophiles who want to fuck animals IRL because they love to fap to drawn animal people, or in some cases, feral animal art.
My modus operandi has always been: "you draw/like loli/cub/feral art but aren't drawn to practicing that stuff IRL? OK, you do you, no harm done. BUT: if you watch actual child porn/zoo porn, or use said real child porn/zoo porn as reference material for your art? Get the fuck out of my sight, you deserve to be condemned."
All the people acting like some huge moral crusaders tend to fall into either of these categories:
-well intentioned, but misguided people, who either experienced personal trauma triggered by the content they find offensive as a result, or are overly emotional and act before thinking about consequences of their actions.
-assholes who use "morality" as excuse to just go around and harass others while pretending to be morally superior to them.
-actual offenders who try to divert attention to other people in order to hide the skeletons in their own closets (like the recent incident involving a certain popufur who shall not be named).
My final opinion on the matter: If you don't like it, don't look at it. If there IS, however, a valid, solid evidence that some artist is heavily interested into sexually abusing actual children or animals? Then, instead of acting like a moral crusader on Twitter, do the right thing, and contact authorities.
And to those of you hypocrites who condemn others for trivial shit while you yourselves have committed actual, heinous shit? Mind the skeletons in your closet, you never know when they might jump out and shout "I'VE GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!"
But yeah very well said friend! More people need to learn to separate reality from fiction and stop using the old excuse "I'm offended!" as a cheap tool to bully others in order to feel better about themselves.
I've always hated the "moral-brigade" and their championing of trying to give fictional, non-existent characters the same rights as real people in terms of censorship. There's no point in "respecting the feelings" of someone that doesn't exist.
Imma stop myself here before I rant too much, but i 100% agree with you. I know plenty of people who like questionable things, and they have the fucking perception of fantasy and reality to know what is and isn't right.
(It's ashamed that guy caught so much flak tho, I know who you mean. People are dumb)
i too really dislike these situations, (the moral crusader bit... couldnt agree more) and good on you for speaking up. its a damn shame people had to come after someone like this for making art. it never ceases to amaze how shitty and hateful people can be.
really, as long as art or media with potentially upsetting themes is properly tagged with warnings and the like, nobody is hurt. even using these sorts of tags and warnings is entirely up to the creator, and shouldnt be a forced issue, imo. its more respectful to warn of sensitive content for sure, but everyone has a different definition of what's offensive anyway. its impossible to enforce 100 percent.
there is never a good reason to harrass anybody over *fiction*. people can dislike, criticize, or even express anger about a work of fiction, but that should never lead to harrassment of its creator. thats equally disrispectful. couldnt agree with you more, man. preach.
I'm on their (assuming I've correctly guessed who you mean) side and your side on this 100%
Kek, got a cackle out of that; and the other guy acting up all high in his morale when he drew kirby with a giant fucking dick. Both sssssucked.
Oh I know, hence why I brought up that case. It was also the major case of "skeletons in the closet" because said popufur was condemning another popufur for allegedly using photos of real children as reference for his smut artwork.
1. ) Christianity (or other such Religion) which basically says you have to be a bland blob in order to avoid going to Hell for some fucking reason. But their God 'loves' everyone unconditionally, you know? Just if you do not believe/do as we do, you will suffer for all eternity. You know? LOVE! Twoo unconditional wuv!
2. ) Societal senses of 'norms', which are bullshit anyway because society is a fucking mess of repression, lies, and garbage that makes absolutely no sense and is hypocritical past the expected hypocrisy that is inherent in just existing in this reality.
What you said is right. Objectively right. As long as no one and nothing is being hurt against their wills, everything is more or less permissible, or should be. Every individual has free will, others arbitrary definitions of subjective 'right' and 'wrong' aside, they can actually objectively not really realistically force upon you their own beliefs or moral compass.
I personally base my moral compass off of compassion. Which I find helps me remember that most people are more or less alike in a lot of ways, in a lot of key ways.. and helps to not judge others for whatever fetishes or kinks they have.
It is fucking weird to me that so many people take on these social/moral crusades and decide to say that certain artists are immoral or in some way 'bad' because they draw something that is solely a fantasy/not real. Like get over yourself.
And in the case of sexuality? A lot of people use sexuality and sexual exploration if they have been abused as a means of reclaiming the power they lost and as a means of working through trauma and normalizing their pain in their own mind to the point that it is less prominent and.. you know? Painful. Everyone handles shit in different ways and I think it would be important and good for people to remember that the psyche and sexuality is a very complex beast. Just because someone draws ferals does NOT mean they would hurt an animal irl. Just because someone draws loli/shota does NOT mean they would fiddle a kid irl - hell as you said, a lot are not even attracted to actual kids. It is not as if most drawings are even remotely representative of reality, anyway. Thats the fucking point with a lot of art. Art is an expression that is generally in a lot of cases not representative of reality.
And fyi this comes from me; someone who WAS abused as a child. Who WAS sexually assaulted. Who HAS been in an abusive relationship where she almost died.
Not everyone has the same view as me, but to those going on self important moral crusades and trying to ruin others because they draw something THAT IS NOT REAL; get the fuck over yourself. You are not the moral authority for the world or anyone but yourself. If you dislike something, avoid it. Just fucking leave it alone and walk away.
If you see someone abusing an actual child or otherwise? Then yeah. Say something/do something. But otherwise fuck right off with your 'moral crusade' bullshit.
And of course if porn is send toward underaged kids (any kind of porn) that is a grooming red flag however too. I would also think parents need to educate themselves about internet and such, I recently read a news article that parents often allow kids to join social media sites when they are under the age what is allowed on those sites, and I just facepalm on that, like really parents out there, don't do that, your 8 year old kid don't need facebook and snapchat, tumblr ect.
As for the image in question in this journal, I haven't seen it so can't tell if it was meant as porn or not?, but I do know many people think tentacles with porn, so kinda can see where the misunderstanding can come from?, But it doesn't need to be porn, just like vore or drowning in quick sand or feet tickling isn't always porn always either. It's like the movie the pagemaster where the kid is eaten by a dragon, but it is not meant as something vore porn related, just part of the story sorta.