"furries support artists dont h8 on them" is stoopid
6 years ago
why?
long, stupid, lame answer: i have two main issues with this way of thinking. 1) most of the complaints i have about furries as a community have to do with things totally unrelated to the art market and how furries treat art (that's a topic for another day). the issues i have with the fandom stem from how much abuse and illegal/immoral activity takes place in it and is swept under the rug because of the hivemind-esque nature of furry-centric websites, cons, meetups, etc. at the end of the day, i'm an outsider looking in on the art-centric parts of the community who makes money because my abilities align with the desires of a niche audience. i don't have deep-seated emotional investment in the art stuff - or community at large - given my participation is purely for monetary gain, but it can feel really dirty being dependent on a community that's so unabashedly free to do whatever gross bullshit it wants, because it means catering to people in a community that do shit like ignore animal abuse and child molestation. it's frustrating, therefore i complain about it both as an artist and as a human being with fucking morals
2) nobody is entitled to respect from anybody because of how much money they throw at people. you can't buy people's moral approval of you. you can't buy people's general approval of you, either. and your support can and would quickly become a fart in the wind if an artist suddenly decided they weren't catering exclusively to your demographic, so there's no sense in pretending you're doing this for the good of the artist instead of your own self satisfaction. in truth, there's nothing wrong with only supporting who entertains you! we all do it with every service or material possession. but the idea that furries are not only the only people to support artists financially, but are somehow magical, special, almighty providers for doing so and therefore are too godly and perfect to be criticized for anything unrelated to art that they do and are enabled to do by a poorly controlled and all-too-accepting community... it's insane. it's the most egotistical shit i've ever heard, and it's crazy
short, important, genius answer: where's my fuckin money then lmao pay me or shut up
long, stupid, lame answer: i have two main issues with this way of thinking. 1) most of the complaints i have about furries as a community have to do with things totally unrelated to the art market and how furries treat art (that's a topic for another day). the issues i have with the fandom stem from how much abuse and illegal/immoral activity takes place in it and is swept under the rug because of the hivemind-esque nature of furry-centric websites, cons, meetups, etc. at the end of the day, i'm an outsider looking in on the art-centric parts of the community who makes money because my abilities align with the desires of a niche audience. i don't have deep-seated emotional investment in the art stuff - or community at large - given my participation is purely for monetary gain, but it can feel really dirty being dependent on a community that's so unabashedly free to do whatever gross bullshit it wants, because it means catering to people in a community that do shit like ignore animal abuse and child molestation. it's frustrating, therefore i complain about it both as an artist and as a human being with fucking morals
2) nobody is entitled to respect from anybody because of how much money they throw at people. you can't buy people's moral approval of you. you can't buy people's general approval of you, either. and your support can and would quickly become a fart in the wind if an artist suddenly decided they weren't catering exclusively to your demographic, so there's no sense in pretending you're doing this for the good of the artist instead of your own self satisfaction. in truth, there's nothing wrong with only supporting who entertains you! we all do it with every service or material possession. but the idea that furries are not only the only people to support artists financially, but are somehow magical, special, almighty providers for doing so and therefore are too godly and perfect to be criticized for anything unrelated to art that they do and are enabled to do by a poorly controlled and all-too-accepting community... it's insane. it's the most egotistical shit i've ever heard, and it's crazy
short, important, genius answer: where's my fuckin money then lmao pay me or shut up
I couldn't care less whatever gets them off or whatever they do with their money. But all that illegal shit that goes on just to be ignored is stupid. Who remembers all the times some prominent member of the community did good deeds and shit, but also were accused of (and usually proven) of doing shit like beastiality or sexual assault? And if you brought it up or anything about the community you were just being seen as negative? Shit, I am negative but I'm pretty sure telling people to kill themselves or forcing yourself on someone is still illegal.
This is why I don't identify with the community. ''Lol why don't you wanna be called a furry'' Because I don't want to be identified with people who can't keep their hands to themselves or people who can't stay out of animals and claim they are a good people because they donate. That's like murdering someone and going to church to repent, you're still a piece of shit. It's fully aware that not every furry does this, but it's enough to want to stay away.
I called out nazis, zoophiles, pedos, and rapists; my reward? Having my name smeared, being labeled "crazy", and jettisoned from the local group chats until the head admin gives up his spot or dies holding the position.
Thanks furries. Sure am glad I joined back in 2009 at 15 years old. I've met such wonderful people like Rape Fox, Pedo Skunk, Drama-Cabra, and The Cowfucker™.
I think I'm thoroughly disgusted, but I will take the money, thanks...
Being around these people brought me down too, and now I feel like I genuinely belong. Congratulations to me I guess. I'm sure this is what 13 year old me wanted when I joined oekakis and drew fursonas.
Admittedly I never did anything like call out people because I never met them or heard about it months after it was taken care of. But to this day I'm yelled at and shit and get death threats for my crimes. What did I do? Tell people not to touch me, expect people to respond, and didn't put up with shit.
This is why I don't really bother trying to make furry friends. You need to fit some sort of disgusting cookie cutter mold and everyone is too up their friends ass to even bother talking like a normal being. Not to mention the giant amount of shit within itself.
Now I enjoy anthropomorphic characters but do I identify as a furry? No, and it seems weird coming from the curly haired lynx lady. As far as I'm concerned I don't want to associate with other furs because that leads to me being exposed to some fucked up shit (a guy who was borderline au... I'm not going to finish that... told me that when he sees a person walking their dog they immediately thought about zoophilia. He wasn't a furry, but he saw me drawing a goat person and thought I was ok with it. I informed my friends to avoid him like the plague and I made it very clear that if he tried to communicate with me I'd call the police) I am not ok with zoophilia or pedophilia; I enjoy cartoon animals, nothing more nothing less it's a hobby that a lot of people think is a fetish.
I am going to a convention, but the primary reason for it is for photos, dealers den, and artist alley. I read the COC and you know what they need to include? "AAE and FurCon do not permit membership or attendance by any individual who is a convicted sex offender, or appears on any federal or state sex offender registry. In addition, AAE and FurCon reserve the right, at the board’s discretion, to deny membership or attendance to anyone with a documented history of sexual violence, including inappropriate conduct towards minors. " That needs to happen when I see that appear I will be far more likely to reappear, and get more involved.
Honestly this entire fandom needs to change, first off convicted sex offenders should be outed by other furries. Secondly sex offenders shouldn't just change their fursona, and be forgiven for their atrocious acts. All they are doing is getting back in to target people yet again, they should have the internet ripped away from them (IP banning? anyone?). Honestly this has to stop the entire "Everybody is welcome" is the reason why I hate the use of furry terms "fursona" you mean character? "fursecution" you mean somebody knows you dress up as an animal, and made fun of you? Honestly if you are a furry and you have thoughts about fornication with kids or animals get therapy ASAP, stop the internet use, and move far away from where kids/animals are located (north pole? Naw, south pole). If I see a kid using this site I will have a talk with them about if somebody wants to RP block them, if somebody ask asl? block em'/report, somebody sends you porn block them/report them/send the message to the cops.
I will be donating to the charity but I don't do it to feel better (I'm an angry asshole and I fully admit it). I know I'm a horrible human being who has violent thoughts, but the thing is I do not act on those impulses (bipolar on meds, but they don't do jack less depressed but still as angry). I have been trying to tackle my rage but it is difficult there are times where I quietly have to mutter to myself and I'm afraid that somebody will hear my violent thoughts coming out through my mouth. I have been talking to a therapist and she thinks I overthink things, and when I overthink my brain greatly exaggerates.
Honestly, pick the few gems and discard the trash. That's the way I found to keep myself sane in this insane little fuzzy fandom.
That being said kiddos: Hugging furries in suit is fine, however give the suit and how it interracts with people a good look-over before you or your kids go hugging it. If the suit (and therefore the suiter) seems too clingy on people who are cringing, handsy, or getting in personal space uninvited, DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS NEAR.
Also keep an eye on the fur. Full-body matting may simply mean it is an older suit or the suiter may be a tad stinky because they do not wash the suit often enough or brush it. Hug with caution.
If the suit has especially bad matting on the paws, mouth, or nether regions or if the suiter is wearing shorts BEWARE! This suit may be used for nefarious deeds and shorts may imply that the suit is a murrsuit. Some characters do wear shorts for aesthetic reasons. Thats where you look for the highly specific matting. Hope this helps!
I am not a furry, however I am a cartoonist. Anthro characters are my specialty because of my past. I call them "sonas" because I put a lot of care into them and maybe a little piece of my personality too. This does not make me a furry and I do not wish to be associated.
I agree very much with this post so much and it's a lot of the prime reason why I haven't either I've met a lot of incredible people through being an artist and having identified as a furry for the short while that I did but sometimes it just gets to be too overwhelming.
A majority of the fandom is just obsessed with sex and talking about sex and random things that I honestly have never heard from any other fandom or group of people. It makes me sad that when I say I draw animals I get lumped in with a group whose main description to the general public is a bunch of people that dress up like animals and want to bang animals when that's not always the case.
I stayed mostly online for the longest time and hadn't really met anyone in person until a few years ago I was up north and was introduced to a group on Telegram for furs in that area that had monthly meet-ups and just generally were really neat! They talked about games and art and all kinds of things and it was nice to meet a group that was welcoming me in that didn't seem to be so obsessed with lewd behaviors. Fast forward to a couple weeks after meeting them and I was able to attend a meetup and for me that was so exciting! I'd never met any other furs in person aside from a few random chances throughout the years so I was ready to maybe find more people that I could relate to and share my talents with.
During that meetup there were underage people wearing dog collars and making woofing noises at people that were feeling them up (which nobody but myself spoke up against), people fondling each other while we watched movies in their living room, three people went into the back and had a threesome, and it was just too much. I was terribly heartbroken to find out that they were the prime examples of a stereotype I thought I had FINALLY gotten away from. I learned later that they had a telegram specifically for lewd chats and they were primarily active in that one but hadn't said anything because I'd said I was dating someone and wasn't looking to fool around with anyone. I probably shouldn't base all my experience on that one but it's the prime reason I no longer want to go to furry meet-ups or join groups for furs or anything like that outside of just general conventions. it weirds me out and to this day makes me super uncomfortable.
Between that and a year and some change long interaction with a customer that continually ONLY bought NSFW art from me but thought he was buying my friendship by doing so and when I said that he'd never really tried to get to know me past giving me money and the occassional "how are ya?" small-talk that never went anywhere before being re-directed back at his commissions he got upset but stayed around. Later he wanted me to draw some things I wasn't comfortable with so I declined it and I never heard from him again. While I was sad that I wouldn't be getting any further commissions I was so happy to finally be free of drawing constant porn. To this day I can't bring myself to draw it and haven't draw anything past being mildly suggestive or a goofy sketch since.
After all of that I can never call myself a furry anymore, and I never will.
(also sorry for commenting on an old journal but it was referenced by another artist I follow and I wanted to show my support and also share)
maybe its just bc im in a a bad mood, but if im being frank idk what you want me to do with your frustration. if you're seeing too much bullshit in the furry fandom, leave it. separate yourself from it. you can enjoy your animal people without its influence