when i draw tg i usually just label the first image as the original gender and label the end result as whatever gender they end up as and leave in the tags that its a tgtf

Honestly with the new changes to FA's system I use TF/TG as the theme category (which makes sense cause it is a TF that involves gender shifting and it is nice expansion of the category system) and then select whatever the physical sex the end result will be as the gender category. Granted I still feel if the subject of the TF is trans the gender category should reflect that.

I dunno. In some respect it is a simple thing and it others it is more complicated. The best way is to try to find a simple compromise that works for you.

At least make use of tags (like TFTG and MTF/FTM/MTH/FTH/etc).

The sad truth is that no matter what you do, someone will be upset about it. My thoughts are you should stick to what you've been doing. This is rather obviously NOT RL (more's the pity) - so it *shouldn't* be mixed up in that manner.

That said, I haven't looked into what all the gender drop-downs are. If it's something that's truly more descriptive to what you're doing - and it's not any more trouble to select, then I'd go with that. Not because someone might be offended at the other use (because I can assure you, someone will get offended at this use too) - but if it's truly a better description of the situation.

My thoughts on the matter is probably the most common but the loudest minority will call hate speach on. Keep it at 2 genders, male and female, transgender and multiple characters with an “other” for everything else. The day fa puts the cis label on the real genders is the day I delete my account.

I still can't get why this is a controversial opinion now.

well it is controversial because one group is trying to say that there is a large number of genders and trying to force a mad ideology onto many who do not want this forced onto them. Then is becomes them trying to claim it is hate speech, even having gotten people to get fines or jail time, for not using a gender they made up in order to feel special, then claim it is also hate speech to not use the term they identify you with that they made up.

There should be a gender label PER CHARACTER, having a single label for often complex pictures makes it functionally meaningless.

But I'd agree on having a "Transformation" tag for these sorts of pictures.

Personally... I just use transformation as the only tag to describe the tf. As it’s part of the tf and not what others consider ‘TG’ anymore. So to avoid any nonsense that might come along with using the TG tag, I’d say just use TF as it has such a large array of different things associated within it.

Blegh. The changes...might be a step in the right direction? They did feel rushed and hastily implemented with out too much consideration though. I mean, "transgender" isn't a gender so the old labels were definitely broken in that regard and, Idunno. I feel like the old system being broken and nonsensical kindof made it okay to use in that way. But now that it explicitly states trans men and women, as well as non binary people in terms of gender rather than just slapping the label "trans" as an incorrectly used catchall on stuff, it's probably best to avoid using the tags for tf stuff unless the characters in question are actually trans or non binary.

I think the simplest solution would be to use the "TF/TG" category for type in places where you would've used the "transgender" category under gender before

Hi! Actual trans lady here. My two cents (which are obviously not necessarily representative of the trans community) is that you're fine as-is. The reason is that "gender" isn't physical at all. I'm a lady, but my anatomy is perceived as masculine (though less so every day.) My gender is not changing. My body is, but my gender has been "woman" all along. A true "transgender transformation" art piece would just be somebody going "holy shit, I'm a lady/man!"

Because we're talking about physical switches in a fantasy setting, I don't have any problem with the term "transgender" being used to describe what's going on.

I don't have a high opioion of labels in general. Unless there's one meaning everyone can agree on(not gonna happen), labels will always be a problem. Even if people agree on the actual content of something, they'll still argue over the definition of one word. If you must label something, my advice it to just go with what feels right to you and to not beat yourself up over the people who disagree with whatever you decided on.

The whole category/gender labeling system is such a mess on this site, I don't even look at it anymore. I don't know why they felt the need to split "TF/TG" into a separate category and nothing else, but to be it feels like being singled out and excluded...

For TGTF I dont think its a matter of concern... If you're truly worried about it just label things MtF or FtM or whatever syntax

Agree wuth herpony above, someone will whine or bitch no matter the label.

You have MTF, you have FTM, and both are TFTG. Not much more complicated than that, unless you're replacing the M or F with an H.

I understand what the mods were going for. I don't think it worked out very well.

Before, you could mark the gender for a piece as "transgender". This meant, to most, that the gender of main subject of the piece changes. No specifics on what it changes from or to - it could be male to female, female to male, male to herm, herm to female, whatever. But it changes.

Now there's a lot of specifics. There's "intersex", "herm", "transgender (male)", "transgender (female)", and "non-binary". And the usual male and female and such, of course. It's nice that they're allowing more specificity, but the problem with being so specific is that it makes it even more problematic when something doesn't quite fall into one of the available selections.

It also can make things more confusing, not less. If I have a picture of someone midway through a male-to-female transformation, is that a male (the startform), a female (the endform), or an intersex (because it's only partially complete)? Maybe it should be a transgender (female) because a transgirl can be thought of as a girl who was originally a man. But then what if the change was nonconsentual? Maybe it should be transgender (male) because he winds up as "a man in a woman's body".

In short, I don't mind the new tags they added. I just wish they hadn't removed the more generic "transgender" cover-all label when they did.

look dude or girl i dont care times change 50 years from now i can promise you and something we say or do now will be considered horrible or racist or bigoted in some way its best not to worry about it i grew up gay in the deep south and while i feel bad that someone might misconstrue something i say or do as insulting i don't worry about it people need to get over themselves if you worry about what people think all the time your never going to move forward in life

I'd say go with Any/Other/Not Specified if you're unsure of a single image. Male or Female as appropriate per image on sequences. Then go in more detail in the actual tags (MtF, FtM, etc)

It's super tough! But I think that you're OK - it's only really a problem when I see folks using 'c*ntgirl' and 'trap' and 'dickgirl', I think? I think it's obvious, usually, when TF artists are acting in good faith or bad faith about the terminology they use.

Honestly, I think when the gender changes, Transgender is the proper term to a gender change (Trans is legit short for the transition after all). Now with transmale and transfemale, maybe if they're turning into an animal or whatever, that might be an apparent term as the male and/or Female is transitioning; of course, this is just my opinion and I'll be interested in how you tackle this going forward, see ya around.
-United

Transgender is by far the most appropriate term to be using.