Racial TF and TGs: Okay or not
2 years ago
This is a touchy one for me and I'd like to hear what the community has to say.
I'm a white cis male and I feel weird doing racial TFs. I've done a few but, they've been pretty vanilla and most as commissions. But, what if it is a Dark Be The Girl and the white male victim is changed into a non-white girl trapped in a bad ending. Is that okay for a white guy to do? Is it okay if the ending isn't bad (as with the ones I've done)? I'm asking as I'm thinking of removing the True Colors option from the Be The Girl: Dark mod. I know it's for other folks to use but...
I suppose the answer is: If you have to ask if it's bad, then it is bad...
But, I'd like the some thoughts from you.
I'm a white cis male and I feel weird doing racial TFs. I've done a few but, they've been pretty vanilla and most as commissions. But, what if it is a Dark Be The Girl and the white male victim is changed into a non-white girl trapped in a bad ending. Is that okay for a white guy to do? Is it okay if the ending isn't bad (as with the ones I've done)? I'm asking as I'm thinking of removing the True Colors option from the Be The Girl: Dark mod. I know it's for other folks to use but...
I suppose the answer is: If you have to ask if it's bad, then it is bad...
But, I'd like the some thoughts from you.
Especially in the context of Be The Girl where every single aspect of a person changes often changes.
The worst context for it is when its the only thing that happens in a story or art. It feels like that fetishes the race itself, rather than the transformation into something different.
The more thats added to it (TG, AR, Reality Change, Personality change, etc), the more "ok" and less uncomfy it becomes, imo.
But, like i said, I don't think its ethically or morally wrong in any context. theres just some contexts where i find it more uncomfortable than others.
I dont think bad end/ nonbad end has any effect on discomfort from my part.
Though I do find a story about a fanatic Nazi soldier suddenly waking up in a KZ, having switched places with/having been transformed into a jewish Person interesting as a story concept. But that's Just my opinion.
Transformations don't have any boundaries, they never should have.
In the end we are all humans and maybe one day the hate towards eachother will disappear one day...
I feel like it's best to look at it on a case-by-case basis, rather than just as a whole. If the TF results in a stereotypical, insulting caricature of a specific race rather than a character guided to look that way through the bunch of options you've gone for, maybe that's not the best way to take the tf, and it's probably best to reconsider it.
I feel weird doing tftgs and I’m a dude. Honestly you might be over thinking it way too much. Speaking from experience, people here are typically chiller than you might think.
My only issue with true colors is how often i land it while playing and i end up picking the same race each time cause if my taste.
If you don’t want to do racial tfs then don’t. If you want to try give them a shot. Don’t let others decide how your art should or shouldn’t be when it comes to what you create.
If people don’t want to use the true colors they have swap options. Don’t censor yourself cause that logic of if it’s bad to ask then its bad doesn’t hold water when you apply to a-lot things. Plus the only reactions you can control are your own so don’t put too much stock in others.
just do as you will... keep in mind that turning a "nazi" into a black chick gets no real complaints but the reverse makes people twist their panties.
some people hope to be offended so they can power play against you, ignore them and move on.
That said, I've seen some tfs where levels of melotonin (skin darkness) or various facial features or hair do change which don't feel racial at all. When avoiding stereotypes or making it into a fetish and instead making it empowering it can be really refreshing. It helps nurture the idea that all of this racial bias stuff is just baggage we can one one day let go of and explore the multitudes of human nature as we wish.
Transformation is about longing. Longing to experience something new, or longing to shed the things we dislike about ourselves. Embrace that notion whilst casting aside the idea of racial tfs and instead view it as someone simply experiencing a new body as an individual rather than transitioning from one race to another and I think you'll be okay <3
I'm reminded of the one you did with a Black serviceman getting transformed into a Japanese woman, and it is harmless, but I couldn't not think of the implications, at least, story-wise.
If it's some type of fetish thing or punishment, or plays into stereotypes and caricatures, I think that's problematic.
If it's something like a twinning TF or turning into a character from media of some sort, then I wouldn't think much of it because the focus is (likely) on becoming a specific other person rather than on the race.
'Be The Girl' feels like somewhere in-between that could go either way? If it's part of a total reinvention where nothing is off the table, then I'm personally okay with that but see how people could be upset. If rolling/choosing a particular race is equated to a bad end, I wouldn't be okay with that.
As for seeing it, I'm kind of uncomfortable with it, because when I see it, it almost always hyperfocuses on stereotypes (positive or negative, and positively or negatively focuses on them). It feels less like an attempt to genuinely explore that experience and more like (as others have said) fetishizing the race itself. Playing up horrible things like discrimination as "pretty hot, actually" or even worse, "totally justified because they really ARE like that".
As long as the instance is not like that, I'm less uncomfortable. I'm just not ready to trust myself to be able to pull it off well, which is sad, because I'd like to have more variety in my side characters. But since I'm not really good with humans anyway, I kinda try to just not bring stuff up and let people fill in what they will. I don't really think in terms of physical bodies, so most of the humans in my books are just... not even described at all, aside from the most bare things. (I should probably be a lot better about that.) ~_~
In the context of Be The Girl I don't see any problems as the change doesn't enforce certain stereotypes or behaviors as a result of the change.