Today I’m gonna bring up furbait bias in films. 🧐
6 years ago
General
Check out me making a journal months later just to speak about something seemingly unimportant.
Something I’ve noticed in the amount of furries in fandoms of existing IPs featuring talking animals is that they’re more interested if specific popular animals are the protagonists, mostly canids or big cats. Nick the fox, Simba the lion, Fox McCloud, various pokemon... But then you get movies like Sing, where despite being fully anthro (most movies just make the animals talk and little else) none of the protagonists are canids or even so much as carnivores. In that case, discussion has been near radio silent.
Sure, there’s also the fact that the internet really wanted to make fun of it just for having illumination’s name attached (despite that movie actually being slice of life instead of slapstick), but I really think that the animals being slightly “unpopular” played a factor in why it didn’t seem to catch on in the “wide” furry fandom, considering that more critically panned films like Rock Dog and Alpha and Omega* (the critics’ opinions, mind you) have been semi-popular for furries.
So my hypothesis is that “non-furry” media with anthro animals is more likely to get popular with furries if your protagonist is a canine, or some other carnivore.
I know this sounds like a weird thing to observe, but there was kind of a purpose for this journal. See, I think a loose variation of this phenomenon could be a decent tool for worldbuilding in “Insular Beauty” if I’m careful enough. It would really help me figure out what I want it to be.
*and yet I never liked the wolf designs, which is why I didn’t see it.
Something I’ve noticed in the amount of furries in fandoms of existing IPs featuring talking animals is that they’re more interested if specific popular animals are the protagonists, mostly canids or big cats. Nick the fox, Simba the lion, Fox McCloud, various pokemon... But then you get movies like Sing, where despite being fully anthro (most movies just make the animals talk and little else) none of the protagonists are canids or even so much as carnivores. In that case, discussion has been near radio silent.
Sure, there’s also the fact that the internet really wanted to make fun of it just for having illumination’s name attached (despite that movie actually being slice of life instead of slapstick), but I really think that the animals being slightly “unpopular” played a factor in why it didn’t seem to catch on in the “wide” furry fandom, considering that more critically panned films like Rock Dog and Alpha and Omega* (the critics’ opinions, mind you) have been semi-popular for furries.
So my hypothesis is that “non-furry” media with anthro animals is more likely to get popular with furries if your protagonist is a canine, or some other carnivore.
I know this sounds like a weird thing to observe, but there was kind of a purpose for this journal. See, I think a loose variation of this phenomenon could be a decent tool for worldbuilding in “Insular Beauty” if I’m careful enough. It would really help me figure out what I want it to be.
*and yet I never liked the wolf designs, which is why I didn’t see it.
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Assuming your "hypothesis" is true, the next step in getting at the underlying causes is to ask whether these species are liked because they are popular, or popular because they are liked, mostly for their appearance. You seem to mostly imply the former, but I think that is a combination. This might be testable in that, the more it is the case that popularity comes from emotional appeal of the species instead of popularity itself self-perpetuating, the more there will be alignment between what furries like and what general culture likes, because the latter strongly optimizes for what people viscerally like. Your examples (foxes, lions, wolves, candids in general) seem to me to support such an alignment, though obviously it's a matter of degree. (That assumes that there's not some flipped switch that draws people to like anthro animals, in which case what furries like may be different from other people. The other option - ignoring the social factors etc. that cause people to become furries - is that it is a difference of degree and not of type.)
(I would be interested to know what the differences are in non-memetic appeal now, where most people hardly ever encounter wildlife, and back when our selection of species (which seems to roughly correspond to what you might find in the vicinity of a farm in medieval Western Europe) was produced, when people did. For instance, I hear a lot about how candids are "traditionally" "tricksters" in various cultures (although accounts of this are coming from popular sources and so are being filtered to agree with me), but this seems to have declined recently, which seems to me to imply that people are now getting their idea of candid behavior from domestic dogs rather than e.g. foxes. More broadly, I predict a recent rise in a system where popularity is determined be appearance, instead of behavior, except in the cases of those animals such as dogs that people still have regular contact with.)
Why aren't people more sympathetic to apes (personally I found Johnny by far the most likable character in that movie, but he was voiced by Egerton, who I love) probably has something to do with the inverse. Humans are unnerved by animals that are so close to humans. Humans tend to like creatures who are adaptable and affectionate, but also not so smart anyone feels threatened. Also why I think elephants don't get as much affectionate.
Now, on a personal level, while I use a wolf as my main avatar, I have nothing but appreciation for every animal under the sun. I also find it frustrating how the furry fandom is sooooooo cookie cutter. People tend to push painfully generic stuff.
I totally agree with your hypothesis, but that is the duty of real creators: to push new and interesting ideas.