Well, I suppose you weren't actively calling for the deaths of those that don't agree with you

The point of bettering the world is so that people don't die needlessly

I may be wrong, but my assumption with "calling for the deaths" is trying to say BLM is violent and wants death which isn't true.

When you live in a country that has literally enslaved and genocides many people, even allowing such things to happen to the present day, there will be some people who want revenge rather just justice. It's not a monolithic group, it's a decentralized gathering of people who just want to be treated like human beings

When I said "calling for deaths" I mean today, many journals I've seen put up are artists basically giving the message "BLM / Revolution now" followed by "If you do not agree (with our message or methods), FUCK OFF, NO DISCUSSION" extreme radicalisation is the order of the day and makes it very hard to sympathise.

I don't nessecarily agree with the notion that America is an evil place, but speaking for this specific spark, George was murdered, everyone saw it, it was on film and the officers have been arrested and will hopefully face justice for their crimes. The destruction of property and violence seems to only burn good faith because it creates fear, which will make people beg for a heavy handed response.

Speaking of monolithic groups, that's why I didn't name BLM, or any "movement", I just know there's alot of angry people, and some of them think violence is the answer, some of them just want to be violent, hence I can only take away the broadest possible strokes.

I don't want people to fuck off because I don't want to give people an excuse to be in a bubble. So I won't do that for these topics in particular


This has happened many times before, there's a high chance without these protests nothing will happen, because historically cops have been let go or slapped on the wrist softly. Heck, riot police are out at the protests when covid protests just a but ago didn't have such backlash in the same capacity. His murder is 1 problem but is not the underlying problem. Cops enforce laws, laws that cause suffering so that they benefit the few. As much as the destruction of property is a real discussion, putting the focus on it as if property is more valuable than all the human lives lost/are suffering is disgusting. Stuff can be replaced. Lives and time can't. Peace is the best option when it works.
Sometimes the system doesn't make it work unless we all force peace to work. Otherwise you end up with:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-.....ivil-61485728/
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-.....ivil-61580818/


The police sure use a lot of violence as the answer, and people seem to still regard them as out protectors. If broad strokes are taken, the police should be the villains of any movie and the protesters fighting against tyranny with some cool fires backdrops because lots of hero movies also use violence to solve problems.

The property damage is horrible, because it's more peoples' lives being ruined. The people killed... well they're already dead, and burning someone else's building is hardly going to bring them back, is it? I can see attacking a police station. That would make total sense to me. But busting up your local small business is disheartening to me, I instantly lose any sense of empathy for people doing that.

The property damage of people's homes and local resources is what's bad and hurts people's lives yes. Some of is from the small violent side of protests started by police and a lot is from the fascists (I think the main group name they're using is boogaloos". Also some of it really is from larpers who want a revolution and only see violence as the end goal rather than a means.

Corporations got a bail out recently, have stagnated wages, and have bought out so many politicians that everyone just goes "ya that's how it is". A target being burned ain't sad, at most it's bad cause resources are lost. A police station is one of the centers that keeps such awful systems in place so it took is w/e

But let's be really clear, property damage doesn't override life. The violence from protesters (and kind of larpers?) is a response to future deaths. Because people will keep dying this way. This systems in place keep killing people. With no answers to give as to how we can solve it and with a culture that treats violence as the answer, this is the logical conclusion.

For the violent protesters, you should still have empathy for them while still saying "what you did was still wrong", just as you would have empathy for a family wanting the death chair for the person who murdered their child. It's wrong, but you can understand why that pain manifest itself as such

You can replace a building, you can't replace a life

Property damage doesn't override life, sure. But it's not going to save a single life either. All that burning buildings does is it takes AWAY from your message. It distracts from it. It gives others something else to focus on. The people doing it immediately become a target for anger, and others have a good reason for being angry with them. They immediately appear to be people who are not to be reasoned with, and some of us then call for a heavier hand in quelling the violence.

You're absolutely wrong if you think violence is the answer. That's never solved our problems, it just gets other peoples' backs up and the message turns into suppressing violence.

I understand your points. However, the people who will focus on the violence of the protests from protesters never gave a shit about the underlying problems in the first place.

You can focus on the main point of the protests and still go "hey property violence is bad". To solely focus on property damage is to put the blinders on. Most people can be reasoned with. Most have specific demands and fixes to complete. To think and announce that property damage is the main goal and to paint that as being the whole movement means the person was trying to look for a way to not discussion the underlying racism, history, and violence of our country. There's no way to put it more bluntly than that.

Violence is wrong but is a solution out of many. It does solve certain problems but in a way that is ultimately detrimental and not as effective as other means.
Historically, violence has put pressure on the powerful because people are only powerful if they're listened to or alive. Look at any of the slaves/enslaved countries and you'll quickly notice violence was used sometimes to reach their goal, but ultimately the ones that stayed around had other mechanism beyond violence because the main point was to stop slavery and have freedom.

You and I should be fully against violence, but we also have to realistic as to how people have maintained power and how people have distributed power. Powerful people don't like to give up their comfort, they are pressured too. Violence is a pretty common tool for that sadly.

Unpopular opinion about the riots, people want to believe what they want to believe, and usually what they want to believe "coincidentally" allows/enables what they already wanted to do since the very beginning, getting a "free" TV for example. Violence is only acceptable in self defense, overwhise you're the aggressor & yes, you can use violence "to send a message" but consider that your victims may not just bend over & take it (2A). Also I notice how "conviniently" the people who support the riots change their minds as soon as they are the target of those riots. Example? https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba.....91oxlllizoun9i

You are one of many obnoxious grandstanders trying to sway me to support your stupid rhetorics on a site solely filled with horsecocks and adult diaper fetishes... And you want me to take you seriously? Fuck off you disingenuous cunt, all you want to do is inflate your ego and boost your self in the popularity contest in this echo chamber of a site; virtue singling with shitty animations, clips, and placing sappy, emotional and simple yet manipulating wordings. So formulatic and soulless. I'm not buying your pompus shit. Feel free to delete, block, reply, ignore, report my comment, but I honestly feel disgusted. It's one thing to vent and express political views on a Journal, but it's another thing to be so inauthentic like some corperation's soleless tweet trying to capitalize on an event filled with carnage and mayhem happening to these crumbling cities. Disgust is all I feel not due to your opinions but due to your fucking ego.

I assume you're an adult. You can see porn and also engage in actual political discussion at the same time. I don't need to treat you like some child and separate the two topics.

If I said "hyper cocks are great" would you call that virtue signaling? As I am signaling that hyper cocks are great to hyper furries. No, you wouldn't. You'd see it as a silly thing or a whatever journal. I advertised my profitable sites constantly for profit on my main posts and I don't see a comment from you calling that "disingenuous"

There's thousands of watchers here. I want the world to be less shit. Why would I not make a message.
Being silent and doing nothing seems soulless and formulaic.

And Capitalize on what? You think a journal that only going out to current watchers is gonna get me some big ass reward or some shit? Wtf do you even mean "vent and express political views" Like what? Am I suppose to whine and cry about how I feel? "Boo whoo someone called me a racial slur again, I believe racism is bad" Fuck that. If I'm going to talk about politics on a old furry website it's gonna be because I want to get people to do something. Even if it fails, at least it's one more place for the chance to cause change.

If I wanted an ego boost, I'd just draw furry cock and nothing else lol.

Do better Maliper.

Ok buddy. Keep asserting your goals in your ego-cumming sessions, while buildings burn, thousands of people are displaced, lives lossed, injuries continues,
and cities are rendered useless, and the destabilization threat of the capital.

all I see is a disorganized group of thugs wanting to turn the U.S. into a fallout dlc pack. I still don't buy your snake oil you call "an authentic outcry."

While you are stroking your ego I'll be going towards the majority's side of the feild that are acturally comprised of sane people whom are also calling out people like you and on your distructive opitunitic B.S.

https://twitter.com/AmiHorowitz/sta.....206816259?s=20

1. The majority allow many minorities to be killed and put into slave labour to this day so you're not starting off great there

2. You could have taken the time to talk about real solutions or the actual problem, but you choose to focus on the riots. Cause let's be honest, how are these going:
- Unemployment
- Covid Deaths
- Infrastructure
- Everyone having a home
- Food Supply
- Equality of the law
- Cost of education
- Post Office
- Privacy
- USA Ally-ship
- and more
Bad, the answer is bad.

Also there's too many police violence videos & live streams to post. Just go to https://twitter.com/koorivlf if you wanna cry? Piss your pants maybe? Maybe shit and cum?

O K b u d . because I need to write a 15 pages mini book on topics unrelated to the riots and your adverting the real current crisis of anarchy in the name of your ego. Keep telling me to support BLM when Floyd's death has been completely forgotten and the country is threatened by thugs. 😎 👍

Huh. Noticed you were watching me.

Fixed that.

He's using his platform for something good, please fuck off.

People might be more inclined to listen to your message if you don't insult them.

jesus christ why is everyone in these comments being so toxic

Because the idea that everyone is treated like a human being is political to many people who are normalized with the idea that everyone is legal equal but "in reality are unequal" thus shity things are said.

I currently have little tolerance for going into a kind deep dive as to why people shouldn't be racist and shouldn't want a police state lol

You are asserting that just because people disagree with you means that automatically that they either don't care or support racism/police state. We are talking about you trying to be an opitunitic hack ignoring the fact that the rioters dont even care about Floyds death and that it has been drowned by the sound of burning buildings and assults.

This is about so much more than Floyd, also stop focusing on the riots and look at the people protesting without hurting anyone or breaking shit

The riots aren't focused on shit. Barely any meaningful peaceful protests. Why the fuck are National guards are being called in multiple states you dunce?!

Finish that thought. You're close.

O k b u d

lol okay, enjoy being useless and ignoring the plight of millions of people because "Bwuuuuh, what if Walmart gets looted? :("

Small bussinesses are getting destroyed and affordable homes got torched. These are regional outlets too. You are a disingenuous cunt. Innocent people are getting displaced. and guess what, Walmart has innocent people who work there too asshole!

The store is insured and the people won't lose their jobs. Also you keep bringing up riots as if that's the end all be all. What about police randomly assaulting peaceful protesters?

You can replace stuff

You can't replace a life

You can say the riots are violent and sometimes hurt innocent peoples AND talk about the underlying issues here dealing with the racism, capitalism, and more.

Also I agree with mephyboy, boo whoo, the company that makes a huge bulk of wage theft in the country has to pay for products again :<

THANK YOU

Also if violence doesn't work, why do the police and national guard keep using it so much?

It's almost like... violence does something...

Almost like, we should make polices to benefit people's lives so that people don't become violent and have nothing to lose...

If only a person in history who got assassinated because people hated him for his ideas, talked about these sorts of ideas and was linked in this very journal...

God you are a cunt. Multiple people have died from the riots. You saying that things can be replaced tells me you somewhat mix the riots with the very slim minority of peaceful protestors. Hey buddy a black cop got shot and killed, other people got killed. Stop being a piece of shit asshole thinking that people can easily rebuild their small bussinesses when it's financially inpossible. A single local event DOES NOT justify anarchy and ruining the lives of innocent you subhuman scum. You don't care about people. You only want to inflate your ego. I can easily tell by your formulated wording and talking points eerily copy and pasted by other radical nut jobs like you.

How is not wanting innocent people to die in any way radical? You must have some warped political views, but that doesn't surprise me given your "Boomer trapped ena zoomer's body" shit

Why did the riots start?
Would you like to answer why the riots started?
How many people have died from police before the riot started?



Also the majority of the protests are peaceful then the riot police are deployed which causes people to be violent back cause tear gas and flash bangs hurt.

You're a libertarian, you should understand the idea of tyranny of the state and the "no steppy on me" thing

It's weird when people like you latch on to the violence of the government, but conveniently ignore it when it deals with property or the violence from state employees that don't affect your life.

Also would you like to discuss racism and police brutality in this country. Or do you want to continue creating a strawman that you can attack. Cause it seems like you're afraid of having a real discussion with a person who won't just roll over and die

The riots started due to thugs wanting a vague reason to loot and destroy shit. The areas with tear gas are being deployed has no peaceful protests. Again the majority of sane americans think you guys are nuts but what ever. All I see is a red tent from fires and glass on the ground. Also the only strawmaning grom this convosation is from you. Im not going to talk about police brutality nor racism because for the past week it shows that anarchy is currently more of a problem.

Incorrect:
George Floyd was murdered by a cop and other cops watched

You are creating a strawman, it's why you said "thus wanting a vague reason to loot" rather than what all the protesters are actually saying, WHEN THERE'S VIDEO OF THE COP MURDERING A PERSON.

Hey, let's play a game to see if you can handle problems without trying to create a strawman again or by going "I don't have to answer you" aka idk let's create a diversion so no one noticed I can't use google!

Tell me the definitions of:
- Capitalism
- Communism
- Anarchism
- Fascism

Yep George Floyd was wrongfully killed. And it's also true that you are supporting violent thugs.

AND WE HAVE A WINNER:
Maliper chooooose: "idk let's create a diversion so no one noticed I can't use google!"

Congratz, you're shit at debate. Your strawmen will still love you don't worry.

You are the one creating decision by perpetuating these thug's egos. Most people are on my side because they see through your manipulative bull shit. Like it or not twitter and furaffinity does not represent the majority of Americans.

How hard is it to tell me the definition of:
- Capitalism
- Communism
- Anarchism
- Fascism

That way we can have a convo about what anarchy means without us talking past each other

Ok bud keep repeating shit. I bet you had one hell of an ego orgasm. You feel good buddy? I think I showcased your pompous personality and insanity to the public well enough. Feel free to repeat talking points to me. This is getting quite dull and uninteresting. I'm going to leave this circus of a chat and eat breakfast. Have a nice day thug sympathizer.

We can see you know how to type, so why can't you answer simple questions? That's not pompous, I'm simply asking fair questions.
- Capitalism
- Communism
- Anarchism
- Fascism

"People won't loose their jobs" lolwut? The places are fucking destroyed and people are fleeing due to the cities being uninhabitable. these are not peaceful protesters you nutjob, again why the flying mcfuck is it that the national guards are being called in? Honestly I don't know what reality filter you are wearing because even cnn and nbc are showing flames all the time in these "peaceful protests."

Lol at trusting mainstream media.

Hey you know, maybe we should have never done the Boston Tea Riots, or Stonewall (you know that thing that gave you rights?)

I dont watch the mainstream media. Also these american revolution revolts were from actual tyranny. A cop is not the same as an huge European empire deploying troops to enforce actual abusive rules over the from another landmass.

LOL OKAY, sure, the police killing innocent people CONSTANTLY isn't tyranny. Gotcha.

I dont support police killing people you wacko. Though... Rioting and virtue singling won't do shit about that.

OH SO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S HAPPENING AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE RIOTING? Okay. That tells me all I need to know.

You really are off your rockers if you think these thugs care about this forgotten Floyd guy.

Have you talked to them personally and asked about their feelings? Cause I still see Floyd signs.

He's just gonna keep the argument going in circles cause he has no end objective here. We can spend this time doing more important things than letting a self proclaimed boomer waste our time.

True, this dipshit is just gonna keep saying the same bullshit and ignoring any and all reasoning

What if we made a econ system that was based on meeting the needs of people and then when that was met, make a surplus for the things we want after

We could use tech from the previous system that overproduces so much that we have to throw away food just so prices don't fall

Also the national guard is being called in cause the people don't believe in the government and the police are losing control which means people would uprise, which is what historically happens.

This isn't the first time this has happened if you read a history book lol

I get a commie/socialist vibe from your economic diatribe. If that's true that you are promoting those systems then I'm going to laugh my ass off.
Yes people are going batshit crazy so the national guards are called in, that you are correct on that.

I get a bootlicking capitalist vibe from your economic diatribe. If that's true that you are promoting those systems then I'm going to laugh my ass off.

Yeah man because "Communizim nor socalizim hazint bean done rite!" And we should live under system that has killed 100s of millions." Starving Venalasia is such paradise now isn't it?" I think I can safely say you may be laughing your ass off. But the majority of people reject people like you and your ideas fir a good reason.

K.

There are more systems than capitalism or communism.

You incorrectly read my statement.
I said, the national guard is being called in cause people who don't believe in a government, create a new one. Violence is a tool to keep the old powers in check. First was the police, then it became the national guard, then it'll become the military, then you get a dictatorship like what has happen historically.

People not wanting to die and wanting a good life is a sane thought.

Thinking that people are batshit crazy using their 1st amendment rights to protest, when our forefathers threw tea off a boat to start a war with their guns, THAT IS BAT SHIT CRAZY. It's weird you're wanting people to be die from the state. Because when the people with guns get called, they're going to use their guns to solve the problem.

Throwing Molotovs and looting is not protected under the first amendment. You really should stop mixing the rioters with actual protestors. (The very very very sliver of the minority at this point.) Not really good optics.

The forefathers using guns to get the British off their land wasn't very 1st amendment of them

I wonder what the 2nd amendment is for...

The constitution was founded after defeating the abusive and over bearing brits. Man you really are insane.

Let's stay focused while also going on your diversion

The state killed a citizen with no recourse, the forefathers fought for "freedom". the 2nd amendment is to help protect the free state

So written in the constitution, is a mechanism for people to be violent in order to keep the state free

Even if that amendment wasn't in there, a person got fucking murdered by the state and all you can focus on is the small amount of people looting shit when there's a huge unemployment rate AND you think people should just accept citizens getting murdered with no recourse?

What's even your end goal?

My end goal is to publicly dusplay how deranged people like you and the far left are. You honesty think the rioters are the minority when the images on the news and socail media says other wise. You are demented.

Tell me the definitions of:
- Capitalism
- Communism
- Anarchism
- Fascism

Or else it's obvious you don't know any modern politics and got your debating skills from 4chan or youtube

Im not going to entertain your dogmatic ass by explaining shit.

Aka you can't, real debates confirm terms and sources

You should vote for bernie, then you can get the free education you need :3

But Money printing Bernie is never going to be. the President... thank god.

Hey how did we pay for those stimulus checks?

If that's your end goal, you're not doing a particularly good job of it.

Btw, the first amendment is freedom of speech

The cops are using force to stop freedom of speech, and there are curfews as well

aka.... the rioters are just protesters that the state renamed as rioters because they didn't leave and wanted to express their 1st amendment rights lol

You honestly think violence is protected under the 1st amendment and you honestly cant see the destoyed cities. You make me morbidily sick; fuck off already.

2nd amendment you silly lad

it comes after the first one, you're an adult, you should be able to read more than 1 line.

"People won't loose their jobs" lolwut? The places are fucking destroyed and people are fleeing due to the cities being uninhabitable. these are not peaceful protesters you nutjob, again why the flying mcfuck is it that the national guards are being called in? Honestly I don't know what reality filter you are wearing because even cnn and nbc are showing flames all the time in these "peaceful protests."

Can't you be upset about both?

WHOA, whoa buddy. "They got insurance, right?" doesn't make violence and damage suddenly okay.
Most insurance does not cover riots like this. Theft, vandalism, yes. But they make specific exemption for riots.

Asking people to not attack those who had little to nothing to do with what they're angry about is not asking a huge amount. It's not setting a very high bar.
I have no patience for police attacking non-violent protesters. That shit doesn't fly with me. But burning the businesses and homes (in many urban districts, they are mixed) of people who were uninvolved is madness.

Unpopular opinion about the riots, people want to believe what they want to believe, and usually what they want to believe "coincidentally" allows/enables what they already wanted to do since the very beginning, getting a "free" TV for example. Violence is only acceptable in self defense, overwhise you're the aggressor & yes, you can use violence "to send a message" but consider that your victims may not just bend over & take it (2A). Also I notice how "conviniently" the people who support the riots change their minds as soon as they are the target of those riots. Example? https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba.....91oxlllizoun9i

Why are you commenting on this journal from 2 months ago?

Thank you for being a class act, its really sad that the comments are full of what-isms and trying to twist words. I didnt realize that so many people thought "human rights=bad thing" especially when the means to a civil and peaceful change have been suppressed for... well forever.

The abundance of video links are definitely somthing I'm going to share around, it seems to help drive the point home over a wall of text.

Ya, I also recommend making your own journal with sources and videos if you happen to have any!

The more info about why people need to do better, the better!

I didn't watch you before, but I'm watching now. Thanks for standing up for equality and justice. Everyone should be allowed to protest.

There's over 200 documented cases of police attacking unarmed non-violent protestors just this week. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/s.....556918273?s=20 We have to stand up for our first amendment rights and the disenfranchised. I am glad you're doing this along with so many other furs.

Thanks for the watch and info!

Ya, more people need to do this!
Maybe FA will even put up a fender note that helps promote this movement like their parent company IMVU did on IMVU's twitter

I like to think he found your profile just through your journal and watched you because of it, and he will be really shocked once he actually gets to the art part. :-D

I mean I follow them on twitter so xD. We're in similar circles

I dont live in USA and dont really know what's going on there but it's a bad idea to answer a man who's insulting you in every message
love your art

People are protesting against police violence, police became violent and we're slowly turning into an open police state with a fascist leader egging it on

And ya it wasn't super productive, but it was a bit amusing.

I've been following for a while but I'm really glad you're standing up for what's right.
I actually saw a video of a pastor who was trying to explain it to Christians about the BLM movement.
He described it as this.
Jesus: Remember we need to care for the weak and poor people.
Crowd: But Jesus all people matter!
Jesus: Yes I know but we need to help the weak & the poor first, they need the most help right now.
https://twitter.com/thyfortunate/st.....904173062?s=19

They're a good pastor it seems

I'm glad you've liked my stuff for a while :3

And as concerning point. These protest and riots will make Corona virus being able to make a come back. Even if it wasn't actually totally gone. It still a problem that will be quite huge in a couple of days when these cases are brought up.

As a non-us citizen, its am uncertain these protests will help racial tension as racism can be more of a cultural than its is of a religion or more importantly being raised into racism. ("I'm not racist but..." moments)it still is unacceptable. Being we are all differents, ideas and such will clash and mix. Creating either good or bad. Insult or love.

Even less sure that it's good to remember the murder of George Flyod being a good reason to cause riots and destructions of property. Even we know peace protesters being there. We will remember more of the burning buildings than the demonstrations in the streets.

As It stand, I dont know what solution could be effective in term of removing tensions for racism. We do need to limit ecochambers of not accepting other opinions. As some others journals on FA seems to be quite limited on only BLM OR DIE kinda journals. All sides must be considered at the end because more than just mr.Flyod life will be lost. Either metaphorically or physically.

PoC had higher death rates with covid19 so we were already failing, let's be clear about that. Sadly it will probably spread more due to the protests but that just shows that even with this knowledge and the literal cop beatings, people still feel it's worth it to protest. That says a lot.

The protests has actually helped make the topic of systemic racism unavoidable for many, which means people have to deal with the horrors of it. Aka, people have to deal with the underlying problem.

George Floyd is 1 out of many deaths. His name is shouted along with many others. It good to remember all of their names, although that's hard with how many people have been needlessly murdered by the police. If such people focus more on the building than the human lives, they will have always looked for something to avoid dealing with the issues. It's sad but true.

There are many ways to release tension. Make systems/laws/businesses more equal in practice & theory, more education for all, reparations, get rid of capitalism, and much more!

Just gonna be super clear, All sides should not be considered. That's like saying "the murder's side should be listened and they should be able to convince others to murder" Full stop, no. Racist don't deserve the opinion. We've seen where that ends. That mindset ends in genocide, slavery, fascism, and more suffering. Centrist-ing racism has been happening for centuries and like many old idea's we threw into the dumpster, this idea of race/racism is one we need to throw away sooner than later.

You're a good man, Koor.

I don't have much to say other than that.

Black Lives Matter

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Black Lives Matter. Thank you for using your platform to raise awareness.

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