Amen! Preach it, sister. We won't stand up for hate and villainy.

Hell yeah

bless you Susie.

I admit, I'm onboard with BLM, but I'm not entirely onboard with ACAB... although, I may well misunderstand exactly what ACAB means. That is not meant to be a prompt for someone else to explain it to me, but I do not discourage such replies.

It is undeniable that policing is shit in this country (especially in our cities); instead of mitigating biases, police training exacerbates them. It's about god-damned time it all got reformed.

Together is the only way forwards!

Well said

Being a ghetto fool from Oakland who's now stuck living around Trumpsters, I feel your pain. I'm getting sick of trying to explain things to people who make me sick. But I've found a useful bit of shorthand to throw at people I can't stand any longer: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme.....98/unknown.png

abloobloobloobloo why black person say cop bad

I don't understand how one can think all cops are bad. There is plenty of evidence that proves otherwise...

Yes, there are dirty cops, and they deserve to be punished for their crimes. Does not mean there are not good cops out there. That's like saying all black people are bad when that is simply not true.

To label the good cops as bad cops is overreaching. These good cops are hostages of a system in place that distributes harsher punishments to informants than to the malcontents ruining the integrity of their organization. They risk losing their jobs (their income, their employment benefits) for demanding their superiors punish one of their own. Calling someone out is seen as betrayal rather than constructive to their department. It is hardly different from employees of other lines of work where they see injustice within their work place but remain silent to maintain their status quo [of having stable income and benefits] and consequently, allowing the bad behavior to continue. This lack of internal justice and fairness within a police organization leaks to the outside where a given officer can play favorites and distrust of the department as a whole becomes mutual with the civilian population in that city/county because of bias for and against members of that community.

We need law enforcement to keep the peace or else we'd have rampant tribalism where justice and law cease to be concrete and become relative to the interests of the group distributing justice (basically, might is right here). But there is definitely a great need to restructure many police organizations across the country so that enforcement of the law is much more fair to everybody, regardless of race, religion (or lack there of), sexual orientation, class/caste, occupation (I can't stress this one enough), among other labels that any individual possesses.

But different police departments have different members and different needs and goals. Reforming the NYPD won't be the same as reforming the Chicago department or the LAPD. Every city has different demographics and these different demographics commit similar but uniquely motivated crimes. You zoom in on small town police departments, they are wondering why people across the country who have and never will meet them are saying that Officer Steve is a bad cop (to put it politely). Do these small town departments need radical change like the bigger offices in densely populated, likely more diverse communities? Do they have similar corruption issues that the bigger departments have? These are all conversations that we can't all be a part of. The people in those communities should be speaking up first and foremost. If I lived in New York, I would have more at stake whether the NYPD stays the same, if it changes progressively for better/worse, or if the radical thinkers say it should be disbanded entirely. As it is, I don't live in New York. I would rather weigh in on the discussion of the fates of the police departments in my area. And you should weigh in on the conversation in your area too. You would know better about where you live than some other rando on the internet.

Correct, no one is born a cop, but generalizing something to direct hate onto is the same mind set a rascist uses to justify their hate, which is wrong, not to mention it only rilles the radicals to hunt down cops who don't deserve this hate. Want to hate on cops, then hate on the dirty cops who abuse and exploit their power, not on the ones who got into the job to actually make a difference and help people.

The system needs to change, that I can agree with. ACAB is not the way to do it. You can assume all cops are bad, just how a racist can assume all blacks are bad. It is a flawed and frankly absurd way of thinking.

Law enforcement types keep saying that there are bad apples in the police force. Well, the bad apples have spoiled the barrel and now all law enforcement officers receive the same level of trust by default, as there's no way to tell which is a good cop and which is a stereotypical cop until it's too late.

I understand how people back ACAB see it, that's not the point I'm making though. What I'm trying to say is their approch of dealing with the problem will cause more harm than good.

I can understand *NOT* trusting any cop you see until they have proven to gain trust, as no endividual is intitled to trust. That is something to be earned. My problem with ACAB is on the surface to anyone who does not bother to learn it's original message because of how poorly it is titled and that is basically every cop hater and people jumping on the cop hater banwagon because they think with their emotions first and not rationality or the implecations it will bring. There are a lot of people who come off as hating cops as a whole instead of holding indeviduals accountable. The riots were succesful in convecting every cop involved with the murder, and that is how it should be.

Now we got people shooting cops on the street for no other reason than their hatered for cops, doesn't matter if said cop being shot could have been the nicest, most caring individual on earth or not. ACAB only stokes those flames.

Here are my fears about this whole ACAB nonsense.

1: It puts un-needed tension on a job class that is already understress in terms of day to day events. The last thing we need are the Blues having to fear more for their lives than they already do. Accidental shootings do occur because of jumping to conclusions, and now with all this hate, a stressed cop is going to be more likely to shoot in fear for their own life on the job just because the suspect makes a sudden move. They already have to deal with crazy on a daily bases. They don't need to be more on edge than they already are, because that will lead to more accidents.

2: We can already see how judging a whole group for the action of a few bad apples looks. What good has that done for people of color? Nothing, that is what. People still get paronoid walking the streets and seeing an unkept black person, unable to judge wether or not they should be worried about getting mugged or worse. That man could also be the nicest man they ever could have met, but due to how things are today, they will never know-- instead they will cross the street to play it safe.

3: Media are always looking for the next buzz. They rarely bring to light the good, because it is not as productive for them. This makes it seem like there are a whole lot more bad cops than there are good cops, and those not being bothered to see this just take what the media shows us forgranted.

ACAB on the surface just looks like another hate group and a lot of people hopping on it are fueled by this hate. We need to target the policing system to make a change, not the people just doing their job, and doing it under the guise of hate will solve nothing because it so rarely does.

Agreed there are agency full of corrupt police, i don't know how our criminal justice system got this way but it's disgusting

Christ alive thats a lot of lukewarm garbage. Learn and figure it out some where else.

I see that thinking critically just isn't your forte.

It's not like we're furries or anything, so I guess on top of shaming people for being brutally slaughtered (as if they could control that) you find it fun to go ahead and make it worse for us furries as well by giving people and other furries fact-less accusations and low blow comments about officers and people who could very well be furries to begin with.

Not that I could care about the topic you're whining about now though considering you find it "reasonable" to block the above (both, it's not hard to ask for a new friend and to find that they reveal they've been blocked) for offering their opinion. You are being the exact people you hate. Don't worry I've already blocked you, because that seems to be your approach to things.

Here's my high school paper list on why your post is pointless.

- By immediately blocking out other opinions you offer yourself nothing but a delusion, listening to nothing unless it fits your incredibly narrow, small-minded narrative.

- Oh and you're stupid. See, this insult supposed to get your attention, not only is it a cheap and effective way to do so, it's exactly what you did and why it's warranted. If you're as unintelligent as you've led people to believe then it should be obvious that you don't need a curse word or an actual slur to insult someone. I'm dodging your salty attitude harder than the clinic when they failed your abortion, though I don't think you can do the same with how you missed the "cancel" button on the screen.

- You are a porn artist, or an artist, you choose—between either you are still a furry. Of all things you can't be doing is to ruin furries even more by insisting on an opinion that is not only subjective at its core but dehumanizing in general, ironic as it might be to be dehumanizing because we are furries—we are still human and without it you wouldn't have anything you love to begin with.

- As stated before, it is dehumanizing. If you are so desperate to achieve this goal, that law enforcement (could be anything really, retailers, clowns, you name it) is not worthy of respect and should be gone, then why must you post it on a furry site? Not only are you wrong, but your method of trying to get results is ineffective and will get you nowhere. NOTE: On the other hand, while you might believe stating that my own comment here is pointless too, I am not trying to get social awareness on any subject like you are, like your goal, instead this is to try and make you angry and realize you are wrong—but of course that is unlikely to happen seeing that the amount of public shaming you will need cannot be sustained within this site.

- If you are willing to prove your opinion or advocate for it, you certainly don't show it anywhere in your work. There is not a single art piece—since your are a commissioner and that is to get the most attention—that proves your advocacy nor attention to the subject you brought up.

- By stating you "refuse to explain it anymore," not only does it prove that you've not explained anything in the first place, but you have no evidence to stand on nor anything to offer. You only want people to side with you and that is the definition of delusional.

- I had made a paragraph deconstructing your opinion but found that the above two did okay enough to explain that away.



Oh and make sure to try and cover up by giving a one liner that does literally nothing to help your case, seeing that the above gave what looks to be a list of reasons as to why your opinion is harmful.

Good job on losing. Now if you're sane there is a reason I'm not trying to offer a hand to help, one that would only be extended if you're willing to understand these mistakes you've shown. That reason would be that it's not my job to care about you, that is for you to fall back on (which, by proclaiming your opinion in such a grand way it could be viewed as a desperate attempt for help as you've more than likely found little help outside of a few groups who argue and bicker).

Fuck you for making it worse for furries, and fuck you for being a furry. It's disgusting that you think yourself a furry. You are no furry, you're a joke, you are a mindless twat who deserves to be hurt by the same crowd you wish to support, it'd be only then that you realize how horrifically wrong you are and how you are ruining this place from being any more of a haven than it could be. Furries are already quite the disproved crowd, and to have a single person like you in it is the equivalent of saying "I hate furries."

(Not enough edit window: Edit "since *you are a commissioner..."). All good.

I love all this garbage taking out itself. Technology is amazing!

Thanks for proving me right. ^^ With the way things are going, you'll be back to nothing when people are done giving you your wanted, unnecessary attention. Oh and you forgot to block me, now you're just being inconsistent.

Wow!!! Trash came back after throwing itself out because it wanted to see if I saw! Thats almost adorable. Maybe it will do another trick.

*Wheeze*

Tired? Aww you had a lot of bark before; just overflowing SO much energy! Thats a shame, but oh well. Into the trash it goes then, broken toys are no fun.

Your like that one kid that thinks insults will make you win an argument

But seriously, following the ACAB mentality is really stupid

Im not trying to win an argument, Im creatively telling an asshole to fuck off.
I have no time to convince a stranger that the system in place needs to change and we are very capable of doing so since police no longer fight fires or take hurt people to hospitals now do they

Imagine defending cops after everything that has happened lol.
ACAB.

I'm really confused on the ACAB movement ;w; blm I understand but I really don't get acab. Can some one please give me more info about this?? Please don't get upset with me, I have autism and I'm slow to understand stuff. I'm genuinely trying to learn more about this and be respectful

I know this is 3 years old but reading the walls of text from bootlickers in this thread has me particularly tickled.