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Can we even comprehend advanced civilizations?
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Some people think that extra terrestrial life does not exist or at best can never be found. It could be because of a built in limitation in how far a civilization can advance before reaching the end of its life span. It could also be because the universe being the immeasurably big place it is that advanced civilizations are spaced so far apart from one another that encountering each other in person or via intercepting each other's radio communications is statistically impossible. These are logical reasons.
But I do have an idea of my own as to why we can't find advanced civilizations out there or think they just don't exist. Maybe its not some limitation to how advance they can get before keeling over or being spaced so damn far apart that we have no hopes of encountering each other. I think its something else, something far beyond what our primitive minds can comprehend.
I think that advanced civilizations do exist. In fact, its down right absurd and even egotistical of us to even dare to think that humanity is somehow the only big fish in the cosmic lake. That is like how the medieval Church insisted that Planet Earth is the center of the entire universe when clearly its some insignificant spec in some remote part of a random galaxy among the countless billions of galaxies each containing millions to trillions of stars most of which having a collection of planets and other worlds orbiting them. You mean to tell me that out of all of that there is not a single world other than our own that harbors life or better yet an advanced civilization? Lets get real folks.
But why are we not able to find another advanced civilization? The aforementioned spacing issues and finite life spans are plausible theories. But what if at least for civilizations that are more advanced than our own that they have reached a state of technological advancement so far beyond our current tech we are simply unable to see them and comprehend them? It means that they could be all around us, but we are too primitive to be aware of their existence.
Let drop our jadedness and cynicism for a moment and let our minds wonder, not just to the street corner and back. Let's go waaaaay out there beyond the city and our daily grinds and into forests of a state park 50 to 100 miles away from our homes aka your comfort zone. Let that peaceful forest take away all of daily mental ruts we are stuck in and free our minds to actually think. Now that we have a camp fire lit, and we are signing Kumbaya under a starry night sky, lets get down to business.
Humanity through most of its history has been relatively the same when it came to technological advancement. Rather its a primitive bronze age agrarian society dating back thousands of years or a society from the late medieval age, the basic tech was the relatively the same. Cooking was done with fire, homes and buildings were made of wood, stone and clay, metal objects were made in a forge. Transportation, as well as hauling heavy workloads beyond human strength were handled by beasts of burden. Yes there were some innovations between the bronze age and late medieval times. But if you brought a bronze age person forward in time to the medieval period, they would be able to adapt since the basic mind sets, principals, and skill sets needed to live in either time is relevant, interchangeable, and very much applicable.
On the other hand, from the medieval period to the present, technology had advanced at exponential rates with no signs of letting up anytime soon. In just the past several hundred years, we go from the primitive means of doing things from the medieval period to automation, the internet, automobiles, Tesla, astronauts, the moon landings, and AI's at the cusp of surpassing human intelligence. Unlike the bronze age person going forward in time to the medieval period and adapting, a person going forward from the medieval period to the present would be in one hell of a shock. They would simply not understand let alone comprehend today's world and how vastly different it is from the medieval world. All of this would be wizardry and witchcraft in their overwhelmed minds.
I'm sure that if one of us from today were to go forward into the future even by mere 50 years, we would be blown away at how advanced tech would be and how much different the world would be. Hell, I was born in the 1970's and grew up in the 80's. What we have today is something that back then I would have laughed off as the stuff of science fiction and unsubstantiated fantasies. There was no internet. A land line phone was your voice chat that you had to pay by the minute on. My Commodore 64 had a measly 8 Mhz CPU and not even enough memory to hold a simple text document from today. The video game Skate or Die took 15 minutes to load from my floppy drive and I was grateful for having that much. Off air TV and Cable were your only YouTube. A person that had 1 whole megabyte of memory was considered the uber leet of leets.
Never in my life would I have ever imagined that I would be using a machine with gigabytes of memory, and terabytes of hard disk space. Never in my life would I have even dreamed of watching streaming videos and listening to music on demand from anywhere I'm at via a smart phone. Never in my life did I ever imagine that I would test drive a car that was able to drive itself on the open freeway either. Its mind boggling. .....MIND BOGGLING!!
This finally brings me to the meat and potatoes of this blog. A civilization more advanced than ours will be light years beyond what we can currently comprehend. Maybe on their world they have all uploaded their consciousness to a digital metaverse powered by quantum computers that are so advanced and powerful that the machines themselves do not exist as physical hardware as how we understand it. Maybe those computers and the networks that connects them all together exists deep in the substrates of quantum world, sub atomic particles, quarks, and other aspects of the quantum physics we have yet to understand let alone discover and learn about.
Such an advanced civilization would not need physical habitations to offer shelter. They would not need farms to feed them. They would not need cities to live and work in. Non of the physical things that we primitive human being require right now is simply not a thing because with consciousness existing in a metaverse powered by machines that exist in the substrates of the quantum world, for all intense and purposes the advance civilization would be living in the energies and subatomic particles that power the universe itself. Do you think that a civilization like that is even tangible whatsoever to how much we can currently see and understand, given our current place on the totem poll of advancement? I think its safe to say the answer is not yet.
This in mind. I believe that if we are to discover other and perhaps more advanced civilizations, we humans will need to become advanced as well. We need to be in the metaverse powered by quantum computers that exist in the substrates of the quantum world. Only then will we have the comprehension, knowledge, and understanding to be able to discover other advanced civilizations.
Food for thought, people. Food for thought.
But I do have an idea of my own as to why we can't find advanced civilizations out there or think they just don't exist. Maybe its not some limitation to how advance they can get before keeling over or being spaced so damn far apart that we have no hopes of encountering each other. I think its something else, something far beyond what our primitive minds can comprehend.
I think that advanced civilizations do exist. In fact, its down right absurd and even egotistical of us to even dare to think that humanity is somehow the only big fish in the cosmic lake. That is like how the medieval Church insisted that Planet Earth is the center of the entire universe when clearly its some insignificant spec in some remote part of a random galaxy among the countless billions of galaxies each containing millions to trillions of stars most of which having a collection of planets and other worlds orbiting them. You mean to tell me that out of all of that there is not a single world other than our own that harbors life or better yet an advanced civilization? Lets get real folks.
But why are we not able to find another advanced civilization? The aforementioned spacing issues and finite life spans are plausible theories. But what if at least for civilizations that are more advanced than our own that they have reached a state of technological advancement so far beyond our current tech we are simply unable to see them and comprehend them? It means that they could be all around us, but we are too primitive to be aware of their existence.
Let drop our jadedness and cynicism for a moment and let our minds wonder, not just to the street corner and back. Let's go waaaaay out there beyond the city and our daily grinds and into forests of a state park 50 to 100 miles away from our homes aka your comfort zone. Let that peaceful forest take away all of daily mental ruts we are stuck in and free our minds to actually think. Now that we have a camp fire lit, and we are signing Kumbaya under a starry night sky, lets get down to business.
Humanity through most of its history has been relatively the same when it came to technological advancement. Rather its a primitive bronze age agrarian society dating back thousands of years or a society from the late medieval age, the basic tech was the relatively the same. Cooking was done with fire, homes and buildings were made of wood, stone and clay, metal objects were made in a forge. Transportation, as well as hauling heavy workloads beyond human strength were handled by beasts of burden. Yes there were some innovations between the bronze age and late medieval times. But if you brought a bronze age person forward in time to the medieval period, they would be able to adapt since the basic mind sets, principals, and skill sets needed to live in either time is relevant, interchangeable, and very much applicable.
On the other hand, from the medieval period to the present, technology had advanced at exponential rates with no signs of letting up anytime soon. In just the past several hundred years, we go from the primitive means of doing things from the medieval period to automation, the internet, automobiles, Tesla, astronauts, the moon landings, and AI's at the cusp of surpassing human intelligence. Unlike the bronze age person going forward in time to the medieval period and adapting, a person going forward from the medieval period to the present would be in one hell of a shock. They would simply not understand let alone comprehend today's world and how vastly different it is from the medieval world. All of this would be wizardry and witchcraft in their overwhelmed minds.
I'm sure that if one of us from today were to go forward into the future even by mere 50 years, we would be blown away at how advanced tech would be and how much different the world would be. Hell, I was born in the 1970's and grew up in the 80's. What we have today is something that back then I would have laughed off as the stuff of science fiction and unsubstantiated fantasies. There was no internet. A land line phone was your voice chat that you had to pay by the minute on. My Commodore 64 had a measly 8 Mhz CPU and not even enough memory to hold a simple text document from today. The video game Skate or Die took 15 minutes to load from my floppy drive and I was grateful for having that much. Off air TV and Cable were your only YouTube. A person that had 1 whole megabyte of memory was considered the uber leet of leets.
Never in my life would I have ever imagined that I would be using a machine with gigabytes of memory, and terabytes of hard disk space. Never in my life would I have even dreamed of watching streaming videos and listening to music on demand from anywhere I'm at via a smart phone. Never in my life did I ever imagine that I would test drive a car that was able to drive itself on the open freeway either. Its mind boggling. .....MIND BOGGLING!!
This finally brings me to the meat and potatoes of this blog. A civilization more advanced than ours will be light years beyond what we can currently comprehend. Maybe on their world they have all uploaded their consciousness to a digital metaverse powered by quantum computers that are so advanced and powerful that the machines themselves do not exist as physical hardware as how we understand it. Maybe those computers and the networks that connects them all together exists deep in the substrates of quantum world, sub atomic particles, quarks, and other aspects of the quantum physics we have yet to understand let alone discover and learn about.
Such an advanced civilization would not need physical habitations to offer shelter. They would not need farms to feed them. They would not need cities to live and work in. Non of the physical things that we primitive human being require right now is simply not a thing because with consciousness existing in a metaverse powered by machines that exist in the substrates of the quantum world, for all intense and purposes the advance civilization would be living in the energies and subatomic particles that power the universe itself. Do you think that a civilization like that is even tangible whatsoever to how much we can currently see and understand, given our current place on the totem poll of advancement? I think its safe to say the answer is not yet.
This in mind. I believe that if we are to discover other and perhaps more advanced civilizations, we humans will need to become advanced as well. We need to be in the metaverse powered by quantum computers that exist in the substrates of the quantum world. Only then will we have the comprehension, knowledge, and understanding to be able to discover other advanced civilizations.
Food for thought, people. Food for thought.
I have always enjoyed thinking that the reason we have not encountered advanced civilizations is that...when they have visited Earth they discovered we are such a bunch of losers their reaction was EWWWW who wants anything to do with these idiots. And then silently slipped back into the universe.
Hope you guys are doing well.
Take care and be safe. =^.^=
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Also, Science and Futurism with Issac Arthur (SFIA).
He discusses this and more.
Please, ignore my derp above.
“The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us.”
Neil DeGrasse Tyson gave a thought provoking analogy once about a comparison between us and such a civilization:
"Draw an ant on a piece of paper. Now draw a circle around the ant. Pretend that the ant is sentient and intelligent, capable of understanding speech. So you tell it 'Ant, come up out of the paper and we'll go on a picnic.' But the ant replies 'What do you mean? I am trapped here by these huge walls (the circle) and I can't just step up out of the paper. That doesn't make any sense. My whole world is two dimensional; I can't leave this paper.'
Now imagine yourself in a room with no doors or windows, just plain concrete floor, walls and ceiling. You're trapped, and when you call for help you hear a voice answer 'Whats wrong? You're not trapped. Just step up out of your reality and step back in somewhere else. Its easy.' But to you it would make no sense: your entire world is three dimensional, what does this being even mean by stepping up and out?"
Also, check out this youtuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6itTuJSYY
To our telescopes, we would see what would appear to be an oxygen poor world with nothing but blue and yellow and brown and figure that the world had not evolved life. But because we only understand the life of this world that evolved along a very specific tree, we might not see or understand the way life evolved along a completely different tree. And if we visited, we might not be able to breathe there, survive there, or even eat local food resources that might be biologically incompatible with ours.
This is why so much focus has been placed on finding life around G-class stars like our sun, because for now it's the only life we really seem to understand. But even then, having a g star doesn't mean life will evolve the same way. But it might be closer to ours.
What will be really interesting is what kind of life could evolve around a red dwarf. Their light spectrum is almost entirely different from ours. Mostly infrared. Very little blue. Lots of x Ray's. But these red stars live longer than any other stars in the universe. So life would have nearly unlimited time to evolve to these conditions. Black plants and metallic looking plants might evolve primarily on such worlds. Life would have to evolve ways of dealing with x Ray's that would sterilize life on Earth. In such low light conditions what would life even look like? It's fascinating to consider.