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Karno's Rare-Because-He-Never-Has-Time Blather:
So it seems BLM was founded by proud Marxists with the avowed intent of spreading Marxist ideology. In a 2015 interview, co-founder Patrice Cullors broke the code, stating “myself and Alicia [Garza, another co-founder] in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.”
So commies are running amuck in the streets, assaulting, pillaging and burning? How is this possible in America, of all places? Have we really forgotten all the lives and treasure that America sacrificed in the "cold" war with Communism? When I moved here, I was under the impression that America was a vigorous, chest-thumping superpower. Where did all that anti-communist energy go?
Grant you, these Marxists are hiding behind the banner of anti-racism. But is it really so effective a disguise? Is shouting "racist!!" enough to make upstanding American patriots shrivel up and slink away? Even the black ones? That can't be right.
Being a history buff, I keeps seeing parallels with this situation. For example, in 1930's Germany, when communists were getting too big for their britches, the Nazi "brownshirts" fought them. You could say their boisterous street battles with the Commies put the Nazis on the electoral map. The bourgeoisie HATED communists, so anyone giving the Reds a taste of their own medicine was OK in their book.
So why are these Neo-Commies not getting the shit kicked out of them by Neo-Nazis? For the first time in many, many decades, there's an actual use for ignorant, knuckle-dragging, swastika-bedecked gangs of skinheads. The Neo-Commies are mostly a pack of spoiled-rotten soyboys just begging for a baseball bat across the nose. Easy meat.
So why is that not happening? Here at long last is the Neo-Nazi's chance. Why are they not taking it? Where are they, now that we.....might be willing to look the other way as they kerbstomp even dumber assholes than themselves?
So commies are running amuck in the streets, assaulting, pillaging and burning? How is this possible in America, of all places? Have we really forgotten all the lives and treasure that America sacrificed in the "cold" war with Communism? When I moved here, I was under the impression that America was a vigorous, chest-thumping superpower. Where did all that anti-communist energy go?
Grant you, these Marxists are hiding behind the banner of anti-racism. But is it really so effective a disguise? Is shouting "racist!!" enough to make upstanding American patriots shrivel up and slink away? Even the black ones? That can't be right.
Being a history buff, I keeps seeing parallels with this situation. For example, in 1930's Germany, when communists were getting too big for their britches, the Nazi "brownshirts" fought them. You could say their boisterous street battles with the Commies put the Nazis on the electoral map. The bourgeoisie HATED communists, so anyone giving the Reds a taste of their own medicine was OK in their book.
So why are these Neo-Commies not getting the shit kicked out of them by Neo-Nazis? For the first time in many, many decades, there's an actual use for ignorant, knuckle-dragging, swastika-bedecked gangs of skinheads. The Neo-Commies are mostly a pack of spoiled-rotten soyboys just begging for a baseball bat across the nose. Easy meat.
So why is that not happening? Here at long last is the Neo-Nazi's chance. Why are they not taking it? Where are they, now that we.....might be willing to look the other way as they kerbstomp even dumber assholes than themselves?
My sister is the worst. She tells me again and again to my face that 'Antifa' does not exist, that its simply a boogyman created by the president to make people give up their freedoms and embrace fascism. Apparently whenever someone shows her any of the footage with the actual black-clad, battle ready, riot causing, flag waving antifa members, she just rolls her eyes into the back of her head and goes into a trance state to un-see it. She also thinks that anyone who does not support BLM is a fascist and has told me, to my fucking face, that she struggles to consider me a human being just for not having voted for Hillary back in 2016... no, I did not vote for Trump, I voted third party, but in her mind I might as well shot Hillary in the face while wearing a swastika armband and wearing a hat with a little skull on it. Thats just the state of the world we are living in. Its a fucking clown world.
Here is one video that reminded me that it was not even some random driver, it was a cop car. The actual bit where the idiot falls off and bonks his head on the road is edited out, probably due to youtube's policy on violence, but you can clearly see the protestors sitting on the car and some attacking the car, one smashing the back window out, the car speeds off, and the idiots on the hood fall off and get hurt, because when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. And of course all the protestors are angry, because when we are surrounding you and attacking you and threatening your safety how DARE you not sit there and let us continue? How DARE you fear for your safety? Who do you think you are? People? Your not people, your the enemy, media tells us so! And the media is never wrong.
And I have not heard anything about pizza gate other then the word 'pizzagate'. No one has ever mentioned any context, back story, or definition. So I would assume that its not really a thing, but merely another strawman.
I don't know why the Neo-Nazis avoid conflict with them -- birds of a feather under the skin, I guess.
I do know the
Black Like MeBlack Lives Matter organization is a thin front for the Neo-socialist millennials. I got to thinking about Louis Farrakhan's 'Million-Man March' 25 years ago, which the U.S. Park Service counted at 400,000, but the early Cancel Culture shamed them into backing down. I don't think this movement is organized by the people it purports to defend; it's just a cover for terrorism.And, as pointed out before, socialism was reduced under Nazi rule. The Nazis sold off state-owned shipyards and steel plants. Socialized medicine? That was Bismarck, not Hitler. What companies did Germany nationalize? Other than the energy sector, none at all. Businesses seized by the Nazis from Jews were sold, not run by the government. Slave labor was auctioned to companies.
The Germans didn't even try and impose central planning. The German patent system was an impediment throughout the war - companies were expected to pay each other royalties for designs. Companies bid on jobs, designs were selected competitively, and companies continued to make a wide array of things for the civilian market - lipstick, prams, silverware, decorative cabinets, right up until 1944!
Meanwhile, the US nationalized mining, the energy sector, shipbuilding, suspended patent laws, and made strikes illegal. They set prices for farm products and wages, and shut down nonessential manufacture, and that's just off the top of my head. If socialism was bad, we were certainly going for it whole hog.
I had two Marxist sociology instructors myself.
1) there are multiple BLM groups, with no central source. Is the fact that the first organized modern militias were openly racist a reason to say they all are? The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist who was afraid of immigrants - should we stop saying it?
2) few black lives matter supporters are members of the group you quote, or ANY group for that matter. You'll find that few are Marxists, or any farther left than your typical European social democrat.
3) Funny you mention Nazis. The rise of AntiFA and BLM seems somehow tied to the rise of neo-nazis here in this country. As to where the neo-nazis are, they're shooting up soft targets - black churches, synagogues, Sikh temples, and so on. They're mailing pipe bombs, running people over at peaceful protests, and so on. They're collecting money to build a wall with Mexico, but spending it on booze.
Oh, and they're pretending to be AntiFa. You've probably seen their social media posts, like so - https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securi.....avior-n1221456 Some of them have even been caught dressing at AntiFA at rallies. Oh, and this isn't new. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation.....tifa-civil-war
https://www.adl.org/disinformation-.....sts-and-antifa
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/f.....-antifa-shirt/
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10.....ews-propaganda
Hmm. I should stop. There's more than 600,000 hits.
It’s lies like that that continue to ensure this “soft” civil war continues...and all because the Left and Democrats refused to accept the results of the 2016 election...the very thing, by the way, they accused Trump of when they thought Clinton would win only hours before. Cherry picking Trump’s speeches, assaulting Trump supporters under the false narrative that they’re “nazis”. I may probably be a minority here on FA, but I will never back down from confronting the lies spread about us. Pretty sad that we live in a literal “us vs them” society.
We tried offering debate, but the Left wants none of it, having convinced themselves that we’re irredeemable monsters who voted in the second coming of “literally Hitler”. Gee, Trump sure has been gassing millions more Jews since he took office, hasn’t he? 🙄 ...that last part was sarcasm, just in case you don’t recognize it.
You're literally arguing with yourself. Look up 'strawman', and get back to me.
Long story short for why that numbering imbalance happened...Nazis lost in WW2, so you got to be a special kind of stupid and hateful to be a Nazi in the modern day (and I mean out and proud Nazi, not the milquetoast conservative that gets accused of being a Nazi on a regular basis), whereas the Communists never lost a proper war, or at least one on that scale. Never really getting defeated has lead to strong sticking power, especially in entertainment and educational fields where the USSR put a LOT of money into propaganda.
But the Left has perverted Trump’s messages into something to be condemned...something to convince the Left that Trump supporters are nazis and giving them an excuse to assault them in the streets. In reality, the truth is far more American but Trump Derangement Syndrome is really a thing and many people would rather see America burn to the ground than go along with ANYTHING that could be seen as a Trump win.
The rest of it seems to just be regurgitation of talking points, or made up.
I had to pause and think about it for a bit before typing this, and look at some of the comments. A lot of people are going all historic on it, discussing Marxists and Nazis, but in this situation, I feel like none of that matters. We're not dealing with WW 2. This is now and today, and the people calling themselves Marxists and Nazis aren't the same people from back then. They're Americans, for better or worse, who perhaps idolize something they read about a long time ago.
...and you're talking about putting them up against each other.
As someone else mentioned here, I'm not sure if you're serious, or just poking a kind of fun at all the chaos going on in the country, and all the extremely stupid people we seem to have running around screaming and fighting. I think you might not be serious, since your previous post was talking about how comparing BLM to a kid being randomly killed doesn't make sense. But here's my take on things.
People calling themselves Nazis in this country where so many soldiers died and so many others worked so hard to stop said Nazis from taking over the world should be ejected from the country and labeled as traitors. Preferably via ballistae at the nearest shoreline.
BLM was maybe started by some wannabe Marxists, but that's not what it's about, or why it's gained so much traction. Those who are taking advantage of the outrage and anger black people are feeling right now to loot and destroy are idiots who aren't concerned with what happens in the future... but they're also not the vast majority, or even half of those protesting, or so I believe. Of course this isn't something you can really quantify either, but from what I understand, far more protests are just that; people protesting in relative peacefulness over the mistreatment of black people and their casual murder at the hands of the police. It doesn't really matter who founded the movement, as I doubt they're out there converting people to their 'Marxist ways', or that all the people joining or supporting BLM are of a like mind. I support BLM myself... being black and not wanting to get randomly choked out for jaywalking... and this Marxist agenda is news to me. I'd be willing to bet most other people involved in it wouldn't know what you were talking about either.
Lastly, looking at the comments, I feel like some people were taking you kinda seriously about this. Like they hate the very idea of blacks protesting their abuse, and feel like they shouldn't be allowed to, or that every protester is also a looter and rioter out to destroy and pillage, instead of just the opportunists who are mainly the issue. Are there some black people among that group? Yup. I think I remember one black guy claiming that all the things he was stealing were 'reparations' and it just goes to show that no matter the tone of your skin, stupid is universal. But it's not everyone.
Honestly, this is why I try not to get involved with things like this too much. There no making sense of what this or that person is thinking or saying at times, and of late, watching people's actions just leaves me in a kind of stunned awe that no one is doing anything to stop the madness. I often wish there were something I could do, but even if I were in peak health, armed with the best weapons, ammo and richer than Bill Gates, it would still be just me alone against a world gone mad. And I'd rather not jump into that shitpile any more than I have to.
But trying to tear down our statues, assault Trump supporters for simply supporting a presidential candidate, try and undermine our history, forcing us to pay reparations to a group of people for something we had nothing to do with and they also had nothing to do with, thought policing others, labeling disagreements as “hate speech”, pushing transgenderism in women’s sports thereby making it impossible for actual women to compete fairly, big tech censoring conservatives for their views, putting government in charge of all facets of our lives and trying to bring socialism into our country in place of capitalism...all just to name a few, as desired by the Left/Democrats would destroy America as we know it. But you want to know the worst of it? A lot of these things are a rebuke against Trump. They hate him and the policies he got elected on SO much, that Democrats would seek policies so polar opposite to Trump’s that they would ruin our country in the process.
They literally hate Trump more than they love this country...and that’s why our population is so deeply divided.
Another point I'd like to make. The way the government was intended to run, as far as I understand it, is for there to be some kind of balance between the various sides. Everyone was supposed to get together, debate and discuss and yes, argue sometimes, but in the end come to a conclusion that benefited the country as a whole, rather than one side or the other. Over time, though, this seems to have degenerated badly into a "It's my way or the highway!" kind of process, where rather than working together as intended, the government fights itself in an attempt to have one point of view or the other "win". Ever hear of Crohn's disease? It's when the body's immune system attacks the intestines while they try to do their work, causing inflammation, pain and suffering. The US has something akin to that going on in the government. It's fighting itself so violently and hard, and by association causing those who support one side or the other to fight each other, that the country itself is suffering, instead of doing what it was meant to do, which is try to compromise and do-operate so everyone.... EV-REE-ONE... benefits.
You have your idea for what the country should be, but you've become extremely polarized by your own views and the views of the political party you support. (This of course is my view on things; correct me if I'm wrong). You see what you want, and you'll be damned to hell if you'll ever shift even the slightest bit on those things. You can hear people speak about why some of those things you mentioned above aren't as horrible as you think they are, but you're not interested in understanding them because you feel they are an absolute wrong, and because the people you speak to about those things are hurling insults that hurt your pride, both as a person and an American. And so, as many people do, you've dug your heels in and you're ready to fight to the last of your strength to prove that you're right, and not only that, but *more* right than any other person. And this to me is what is killing this country. Because what forms a country if not the ability of the people within it to see eye to eye, and find common ground in what makes them a whole, or at least find some acceptable middle ground?
I feel that for you, you need to put Trump down for a moment, and look at the party first, then at the government as a whole. When I say 'put him down', I just mean 'stop looking at him as the linchpin of the entire republican party and government'. It existed before and *hopefully* will exist after him. His position as president is important, yes, and he's under fire for things he's done; this is expected and has been the case with every president. But the focus is not just on him, but on the government as a whole, and the country over all else. What needs to be done is to make sure the country is doing well. Not the Democrats. Not the Republicans. Not Trump. The USA.
Next, I feel you should open up a bit... just a little... and consider those things you mentioned from the *other* sides perspective. Because if you do, you'd understand at least a bit that these things are less extreme than you believe, and there *is* still room for compromise. I'd love to go in depth on all the things you mentioned here, but to be honest, I'm not that in the know on all those topics. I just feel there is an excess of fighting in America, over every aspect *of* America that is just unnecessary and that could be settled easily with conversation and intelligent debate, but is far more often stomewalled and given no consideration because people refuse to see the other side of things, or even look at them.
Sorry if I rambled at you here, but I hope I was able to get my point across, which to recap is just:
Trump is not essential to the USA continuing on. He's the president now, and as president, he has a job to do. If the people vote him out, it will not spell the end of the American way. Even if you are 100% correct in that everything is being done to make him look bad and get rid of him, this is what the people of the country are thinking and feeling, and being angry about it does nothing for you but raise your blood pressure and make you lash out at people you feel don't understand, and that won't help you in any way, nor help those others to see your point of view more clearly.
The government is too busy fighting itself to do it's job properly. People are too concerned with "who's winning" to understand that unless they stop TRYING to win and work together, everyone is going to lose in the end. Overly focusing on a single "side" isn't going to do anything good for the country... which is FAR more important than any party or president, both of whom were created to serve the country. We're all supposed to be on the same side; the American side, even with all the debating and disagreements.
As much as you feel oppressed and hated on by those around you and those you speak to, you need to keep a level head and a calm demeanor. You also need to consider what the "other side" is saying and doing and try to understand more fully what's going on from both sides of the coin. As it seems now, you have your views and that's it. You don't *care* what other people think or why... and I feel that's blinding you a bit. It's also fueling your anger, since as you refuse to budge or even hear opposing views, you're getting a lot of snark and dismissals from people who are just trying to converse with you and maybe debate in a non-hostile way (trust me, nothing gets me pissed faster than someone dismissing me or brushing me off, so I can see how that would be the same with you). Yes some of them *aren't* trying to be civil at all; those you can feel free to let loose on, but I think ignoring them would be a much better response.
Again, I apologize for the long, long post. I'm not even sure I got my points across well. But to me, seeing all this conflict in the government, people fighting in the streets, this pandemic running wild, all the drama that's been going on in just this country... it's almost too much. I was raised to believe this country was the greatest in the world, and... I'm not sure I can believe it anymore. I'd like to see some small sign that at least a few people see the bigger picture, and can turn away from the 'my side, your side' mentality. We're on *the same side*.
...or at least we're supposed to be.
Look, I'll just say this. I AM open to alternative views and perspectives. The problem, not just with me but with the whole nation, is that one side tries to FORCE their views on the other. It's not what they say, but HOW they say it. Also, being constantly labeled "racist", "sexist", "nazi", et al is no way to broker a dialogue between two political sides. You don't see Trump supporters assaulting Hillary (pre-2016 election) and Biden supporters, going out of their way to ruin their lives and such. I'm not as hardcore a Trump supporter as you think I am. There have been times where I've wholeheartedly disagreed with a decision or two that he's made. But between him and someone who seeks to strip away my Constitutional freedoms and liberties, the choice of who to vote for is clear.
Have you watched the likes of CNN, MSNBC, even some parts of Fox? Over 90% of it is anti-Trump with twists on the facts to pervert them into lies to suit their collective narrative to make him look bad. Some even say that it's not actually Trump they're after, but his supporters who voted for him. They seek to punish ME for voting for the "wrong candidate". Honestly, it would take too long to explain just why things are the way they are. So I'll just say this. Unless you've been in my shoes for the past four years, you probably wouldn't understand. The same can be said about the Democrat side, though I can hardly begin to understand their side nor do I want to. All they seem to be about is hate this and hate that. They project so much negativity and I don't want anything to do with that. I watched the RNC and by stark contrast, the atmosphere was quite positive. Oh sure, they made their share of jabs at the Democrat side, but overall they projected a positive atmosphere that I could smile at while watching it. Not so much with the DNC. Instead of talking about what they would do to better this country, the DNC only focused on bashing Trump and smearing him. Whereas the RNC actually talked about their plans of action.
Unless you've rode along with one side or the other, or perhaps someone watched both from a neutral standpoint, I can't expect you to understand why there's so much turmoil here. There's already threats of civil war with the riots and it's only a matter of time before the rioters enter the wrong neighborhood and the residential streets get splattered by their blood when endangered residents open fire on them.
I do not watch the news on TV, and I take the news I see in newspapers and the like very cautiously. Why? Because these days, the news on TV is more about ratings than delivering unbiased news, and the news you read in the newpapers is mostly about selling copies. In both cases, the people you listen to or who write the columns are out to spoonfeed you what they think the largest number of people want to hear; its the reason WHY you can name a specific news channel and say "This one says these kinds of things." they *know* what they're saying, and are appealing to what they feel is the largest number of viewers. Lets take Fox News for an example. When Trump was elected, Fox was all for him. He was the perfect president from their perspective *because that's what it seemed like everyone wanted to hear and it brought in ratings. Now, after defending everything he's done for all this time, they're changing their tune for the same exact reason. It's all for the ratings, the sales, and in my mind, that kind of invalidates both of those sources for me. Internet sources are moderately better, as they don't really gain anything from reporting the news to you; a website that is just reporting the news in general, without any bias, can have a wide range of focus, sometimes supporting one concept, sometimes not, and thus giving a broader range of information without leaning one way or another. Depending on where you go for it though, even these can be heavily biased.
As for the hate you've endured, I'm honestly sorry you've gone through all that. I've not seen the degree of hate you're attributing to the Democrats though; most of what I've seen has been about equality and tolerance, and giving the poorer class more of a chance to prosper instead of feeding the rich. I agree they're on a tear as far as talking down about Trump though, and it's not needed. As you say, they should focus on talking, honestly (yeah right, huh?), about what they plan to do to improve things once their candidate is in office. Mudslinging serves no real purpose, as the goal isn't to make your opponent look bad, but to make yourself look *better* than your opponent.
On the whole, again, I don't really get into the 'rallys'. It's just fluff and smoke and mirrors designed to make voters feel amped towards voting one way or another. I don't *want* excitement. I'm tired. I want to hear what's going to be done to improve things. How they're going to finally get the pandemic deaths under control, for example. What's going to be done about the national debt. How they're going to fix the USPS. That won't make me excited; but it will solidify my focus on who to vote for.
I don't think it's necessary to 'ride along' with either side, or get swept along in all the madness, in order to make an intelligent vote. All you need to do as an American voter is to learn to watch closely, listen carefully, and simply observe what's going on within the country under any one leader or political group. If you support what's been going on, then that's how you vote. Letting them sweep you up and carry you along too strongly often leaves you blind to the things that are happening that you probably would pause to look at if you were less invested, and it also puts you at odds with people who have been swept up by the opposing party. I don't think people would harass each other so much if, instead of sticking hardcore to one side, they were focused on the bettering of the country as a whole; I mean, why would I argue or fight with you if in the end you wanted the exact same thing I wanted?
As far as civil war goes, there's not enough rioters or people in their houses with guns to count as a civil war. <laughs> The Purge isn't coming, at least not in the way those talking about some civil war seem to think it is. Will there be violence? Sadly, yes there will be; humans are failures at staying peaceful for any amount of time in the best circumstances, and these are far from the best times to expect peace. Hopefully, you're wrong; one person is already being called a murderer for shooting and killing protesters. Here's hoping that's the first and last time.
You're right about the media in pretty much all its form being biased. I get my news from independent journalists who tend to go under the national radar. It's the only way I can get the truth, whether I like it or not. The mainstream media has become the propaganda arm of the Democrat party here, doing their best to maintain a narrative that supports Democrats only while demonizing Republicans. Until recently, they kept saying these riots were "peaceful protests" despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It was only when public opinion and polling began turning drastically against them for their inaction at condoning those riots, did they finally change their tune. But instead of condoning the riots for what they are, they turn around and blame Trump for it, even though all these riots are happening in Democrat controlled cities and despite many offers by Trump to send in the National Guard being rejected by those cities (Democrat) mayors and state's (Democrat) governors. That was their plan, to let their cities burn and then pin the blame on Trump. But their plan is backfiring spectacularly because the people aren't as dumb as they think and are waking up to what's going on.
most of what I've seen has been about equality and tolerance, and giving the poorer class more of a chance to prosper instead of feeding the rich.
That's the thing. You've gotta look between the lines. The Left preaches equality and tolerance, yet there's always a victim (a word I hate using, because of how much it's been butchered by the Left). In this case, it's straight white Christian (Catholic, in my case) men. We're the sacrifice for that equality because apparently we have it too good compared to other classes of people. I am basically accused of having "white privilege". Any attempts to deny it fall on deaf ears. The problem isn't privilege. The problem is how parents raise their children. When you grow up in a single parent household with an irresponsible mother or father, who blows their money on petty things instead of investing it towards their child's future, then yeah that child will more likely grow up to be poor or a thug. I've seen many black people who are very successful in life and have worked hard to earn that "privilege". No one ever handed me anything growing up, besides some open doors for me to choose to walk through towards furthering my education and such...
...anyway, I feel I'm getting off track on that, so let me move on.
The thing with the pandemic is it's NOT a pandemic anymore. The number of deaths has been mostly confined to elderly and immunocompromised people. The seasonal flu routinely causes the same amount of deaths as this particular virus. 150,000 people out of 330,000,000 is less than 1% of the total population. Muzzling everyone, forcing businesses to close and in some cases, shut down, restricting travel, etc has caused FAR worse damage than the virus ever did. It's all about power and control over the masses. When we get a virus that kills, say, 10% of the total population, THEN I'd say these measures would be more justified. But as it stands, the cure is FAR worse than the disease.
I've watched quite closes, the Democrat side. All the more reason why I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump in November. As for Kyle Rittenhouse. He didn't kill protestors. He killed rioters in completely obvious self-defense. And yes, there HAS been other shooting deaths since then, one of a Trump supporter by an ACTUAL murderer from Antifa while their "comrades" celebrated that man's death on Twitter as "taking out the trash". If you have any soul, you'd be as disgusted by that act as I was. But Kyle? I hold no sympathy towards those he killed because they ALL chased and attacked him with the intent to kill. One of the men held a gun, who got a chunk blown out of his arm. He was lucky to live. He then claims afterwards that he regretted not killing Kyle sooner, which only adds to Kyle's self-defense case.
I really fear that we have possibly passed a point of no return with people now being killed over ideologies and who supports who in this election. No matter who wins or loses, we seem destined to go to civil war over it because so many elements point to potential fraud, if mail-in-voting happens. To sit back, do nothing and be neutral isn't going to save you. At some point, you will have to pick who's side you're on because if the shootings intensify and reach residential neighborhoods, there WILL be a bloodbath. It's bad enough that many stores have been destroyed in the cities. But the rioters are being more and more emboldened to take things further. Eventually, they will cross that final line and then all hell with break loose in this country.
I"m not sure what you're seeing with BLM. Yes, some black people are asking for reparations. Some are even out there stealing and calling the act reparations. As a black man myself, this is fuckin stupid and needs to stop. At the same time, I've never seen anyone in that group ask for people to give up their possessions or homes as reparations, and those who do fall under the same label as the previous people I just described as stupid. To me, the *only* way anyone deserves reparations is i they can directly trace their family line back to the line of another person who actually owned their ancestors *and* can prove beyond a doubt that those people were cruel and terrible owners to the point that the effects persisted back to the present, affecting the person asking for reparations.
Now here's the problem, and why so many people are still asking without that in place. Black society today is being very systematically repressed in all ways possible. It used to be that it was kinda in the background as well, but now people are doing it out in the open, as if slavery only was banned a month ago. People got all up in arms over George Floyd, and you would think that would have slowed the attacks or made some people calm down to give the riots time to subside, and yet they shot that other man in the back 7 times just recently, and he's only the most recent in current events. It's very much keeping in the minds of black people how they've not really yet escaped being seen as 'lesser people' in the eyes of whites, and of course that loops back around to reminding them of slavery. If everyone wants black people to stop rioting and screaming for equality and better lives... you'd think they'd stop randomly assaulting them and trying to kill them every few months, as if to stoke the fires again and again. Also, they seem to be working on the excuse that George Floyd died of an overdose of drugs, *not* from having his neck kneeled on for 9 minutes as a defense for that officer who killed him. Can you imagine what's going to happen if they acquit that man for that murder? Every black person doesn't support the violence and destruction all of this has caused, and I personally amd *scared* to see the reaction.
As for the concept of what BLM groups are doing in the streets, you have to consider the terms you're using. There *are* 'riots' going on out there, with people destroying property, stealing, fighting police, and there are 'protests', where people are being loud, chanting, holding vigils and generally trying to be directly heard by those in power without all the destruction. In both cases law enforcement has to contain and observe what's going on to prevent things from getting out of hand. The problem is... in a lot of circumstances, they're treating *any* gathering as a 'riot', and being excessively harsh to those crowds of people. When people are just trying to be heard and angry but calm, and you start shooting rubber bullets at them, that anger is gonna boil over, and conflicts kick off.
And oh, sending in the National Guard? You mean like those camouflaged agents of his that were grabbing random people off the streets without warrants, never to be seen again? ....no. The military isn't needed in most of these situations, though at this point in time, *some* of them have gotten out of hand to the point where, if there was any way to send in unbiased troops to just control the actual riots, I would understand. Again, the issue with that is much the same as your view of people rejecting those troops. I had no idea (until now) that BOTH sides think the use of, or the refusal to use troops was an attempt by 'the other side' to cause chaos and 'let those cities burn'. This is literally word for word phrases I read from a view of Trump sending in agents, except they think he's sending in those people to rile up the crowds, and so cause the 'city burning' reaction, while you think their refusal to let the troops *in* is causing the same thing. This is why I say getting a better understanding of how 'the other side' thinks is important, because at least on this point, you've devolved into thinking *the exact same way on the exact same subject*.
As for that 'how you were raised' line....? That's a HUGE fuckin' oof, bro. I grew up with two brothers and two sisters. Both father and mother worked; my father was a Vietnam vet, my mother worked for the phone company, and did side work as well. My father died when I was 13, leaving my mother to raise us all. My mother was strict, wise, intelligent, and worked harder than any single human being should ever have to work to keep us all fed, schooled, clothed and housed. She upgraded the house we lived in to have a second floor on her own. My middle brother went to Harvard and graduated middle of his class; my older brother learned to be a mechanic and works doing that. Me? I didn't do so well, lost the ability to work at all, and have since been struggling through. My sisters have had similarly varied lives. My mother worked her ass into the ground to provide and care for her family, and to read this, you think most black families are just one disinterested mom or dad, smoking weed and getting drunk while their kids wild out in the streets and there is NO image in my mind that is further from the truth. You seem to be convinced that black people have every opportunity in the world and you really need to open your eyes a little more. The term 'white privilege' doesn't really refer to being treated like a king or something; it just means, as a white person, you have more doors open to you; have more chances to make it to that point where you're not fighting every day to live at what should be the normal level for everyone. You've never seen, for example, going to a Wendy's and trying to get a job as a janitor, cleaning floors and wiping down tables, and being told 'you need experience in this job'. My mother worked as a maid for over a decade and had an insane level of cleanliness; she taught us everything she knew from about 7 years old, and made us do all the chores from laundry to yes, mopping the floors, multiple times a week. I explained this to them, then asked if the job included some special skill that I didn't already have, such as using a machine or needing to work a register (a skill I had, btw). Nope. Just needed 5 years of 'experience'. Of course, since I couldn't get a job *without* experience, nor experience without a job, I was kinda stuck, wasn't I? You, as a white man, wouldn't have had this problem, and yes, I'm fairly sure of that statement.
In response to your pandemic comment I'll only offer two things. One, I'm an immune-compromised person, so I'm very susceptible to this disease. Second, 1% of the US population is 3.28 million people. If you're actually ok with 3.28 million people dying in the US over COVID, to the point of not wanting to wear a fuckin mask to reduce that number, I really have nothing else to say to you on this topic.
I lament ANY and ALL deaths in this bullshit storm we're caught in, and you should as well. No one in the protesting crowd should have had a gun, ready to kill someone; that other person shouldn't have been armed and hanging out near a crowd of what he thought were potentially violent people, as if asking for one to attack him so he could murder them.
And yes, it was murder. So was the Trump supporter who was murdered by Antifa. They *also shouldn't have been out looking to kill anyone because of their support of another person or political view. This should be your mentality too, and it saddens me to hear you think ANY sort of killing over a thought process is ok. Why? Because it means you *support* the killing of that Trump supporter. If it's ok for someone to kill someone else over their beliefs and thoughts in one way, then it's ok and *any* form, isn't it? ...it's not. We, those of us not directly involved, need to STOP the spread of this insanity, not ENDORSE it.
I agree with you that things look grim. I do NOT agree that we all need to take up arms and wait for the inevitable bloodbath. That feels a lot like giving up and hoping you don't die in the fighting, instead of trying to... you know.... stop the fighting. Siding with the Republicans and Trump because you think they're strong won't help you or save you if the civil war you feel coming hits. Do you think they're going to deploy the troops into the streets to save civilians? No. They're going to deploy those troops around 'points of interest'... Government buildings, personal homes, military installations... and let us dumbasses fight until there are fewer of us, and those who are left are exhausted, steamroll the lot of us and have a much more totalitarian control afterwards. The question is, are you going to go along with that narrative? Do you *want* to bend the knee to Emperor Trump, so that he and his party remain in power for so long as he lives?
For the last few posts, I've been getting certain things from your replies. You don't like BLM and think all of them are thieves, rioters and self motivated types looking to get over, instead of what they profess to be. You feel like being a Trump supporter is right, and that everyone is attacking you as such, even to the point of murdering you. You don't see any problem in those same people being murdered or otherwise harmed; just as long as they're in opposition to your beliefs. You see some kind of bloody finale coming, and I can't tell if you're eager for it, or just resigned to it, but you don't seem to feel any need to push back against it; it's become an eventuality in your mind. I feel that these are very bad signs that suggest you're not really for the country or 'the American way' so much as you are motivated by your party and their goals. Democrats could all die out and the government could shift completely away from Democracy, and you'd probably be ok with that... and that disturbs me to see in this modern era.
No, it was NOT murder! Don't lie! Kyle had every right, under the Second Amendment to carry a rifle, especially considering Wisconsin is an open carry state. You can't say that one group of people can protest, yet another group can't. Protest, TRUE protesting, is one of our First Amendment rights. He wasn't asking for a fight. He was protecting himself in a volatile situation. Just because it was volatile, doesn't mean he shouldn't have been allowed to be there to do what he went there to do, to render aid. I don't support killing over one's beliefs! I support killing, when that person's life is in genuine danger, like Kyle's was! The man who killed that Trump supporter has NO right or justification to kill him, besides that he was a Trump supporter. Seeing the leftists celebrating that man's death made it all the more disgusting. But those men Kyle killed?! They all tried to attack/kill HIM! I'd rather be judged by a panel of 12 than carried by a group of 6. When was the last time Trump supporters looted and burned down businesses? When was the last time they assaulted a leftist without provocation? Trump supporters have just as much right to freedom of movement as anyone else. And when you enter an area that is highly volatile, don't be surprised if they have a gun. So long as no one is stupid enough to try attacking them for it, then no one gets hurt.
Also, let me be crystal clear. I don't NOT like black lives matter, the message. It's part of the all-encompassing ALL lives matter that I DO support. I don't like Black Lives Matter, the organization, because of what they stand for and what they seek to accomplish...and it's not because they care about blacks! If they truly cared, they'd be protesting black on black crime in Chicago neighborhoods. They support the destruction of the nuclear family. It says so on their website! Before all this political bullshit started happening, I never cared less what color your skin was, who you slept with, what was between your legs, what god you worshipped, NONE of it! But when leftists began force feeding identity politics and calling anyone and everyone, who disagreed with them, racists, nazis, bigots, etc, they FORCED it to be about what color your skin was, who you slept with, what was between your legs, what god you worshipped! Identity politics bred tribalism and tribalism sowed division!
No, I don't WANT a bloodbath, but you're right that I've become resigned to a likely inevitable that there WILL be one. And no, America isn't a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. I don't get how so many people fail to understand that. At best, America is also considered a representative democracy, but it's still not a true democracy.
Look, I do think this conversation has run its course. You don't know me anymore than I know you. Words aren't always enough to communicate things.
Good luck to you, and I hope you have a pleasant day.
.....But hey, the consensus answer to my question seems to be that there just aren't enough Neo-Nazis left to be of any use as a fighting force. That's good news?
The big BLM organization is... wait, they're not a 501c3 or 501c4 charity. They don't even say it on their site. It's just an organization, as transparent as a concrete wall.
So it's nice that things are getting to the point where the politicians HAVE to take action. But it is no excuse to not do your due diligence in making sure you're not wasting your time, effort, and money.
So, since we know that a few white supremacists support Trump, he clearly must be a white supremacist, is what you're saying?
so now, any criminal organization supporting "social rights" movements, is clear from charges, so, yeah. GO AHEAD, PEOPLE, FAKE LEFT WING ACTIVISTS ARE WAITING TO CLEAN YOUR MONEY!
one of the groups, it's amazing how easily left wing deny their own people to save their image one of the groups, it's like saying IN VENEZUELA, REAL SOCIALISM WASN'T IMPLEMENTED, THAT'S WHY IT FAILED. after spending years kissing hugo chavez's ass, morons like danny glover and sean penn, even oliver stone....amazing. they dont even prtect their own.
and, dude...i hate trump. i loath him big time....but....blm aint better than him, both sides are full of their own brand of shit. but, blm are the ones rampaging, hurting people and causing violence...so, yeah. dont try to sell me left wing "activism" as the work of god....it aint.
While I defer to you on Venezuela, BLM is here in MY country, and I think I know MY country pretty well, thanks.
It's funny you mention fakes. Steve Bannon, one of Trump's biggest supporters was arrested this week. Why? Because he raised funds for a phony right-wing movement and embezzled money for himself.
I'm not a supporter of Maduro, and I'm not particularly leftist, but you're simply wrong. You've decided that all the rioters and looters and violent people must belong to 'BLM'. Most of the protesters are peaceful and are simply tired of a long history of overpolicing and disparate treatment, and are not members of ANY group. Sure, slavery ended over a hundred years ago, but, for example, redlining by banks only stopped in the 1980s. You don't have to go back to slavery to see that blacks have been poorly treated.
Republicans used to support civil rights. MLK was a Republican. Why ask what happened to Democrats? A better question is, why did Republicans retreat from the high ground?
You say you left your country to escape this Maduro person, and spent years kissing someone else's ass. Now imagine you couldn't just do that. Imagine you had no escape from the problems of your country, and were forced to let these people romp all over you and your friends, your family, and your people as a whole and leaving wasn't even an option. Imagine this had happened to your parents, and your grandparents and *their* grandparents. Just straight out oppression on all fronts, all the time, and you couldn't go someplace else to escape it.
...would you expect everyone around you to just lay down and take it? Would *you* just lay down and let them grind you into the ground, murder your friends, limit your chances at prosperity? If you would, why are you here? You at least had the choice of coming here; black people were forced to come here as slaves and have been struggling to get fair treatment ever since. And now a white policeman literally killed a drugged up black man *with help, on camera* as casually as you would step on a bug. Do you really not see why people are upset and protesting?
I'm *not* supporting the rioters. I'm *not* saying all the wanton destruction and such makes sense. And for the most part, it has nothing to do with what BLM means to most people. Karno talks about the founder being a Marxist, but if you spoke to anyone who supports the movement, you'd find out that most of them have no idea who that person is, nor do they care. All most of the protesters out there want, is to see change for the better for black people, and to see the police stop casually killing them.
Today, I saw in the news that a black man got shot 7 times in the back for trying to break up a fight by police. The full story is still pending, but they had tazers (they actually used it on him once). He was trying to get away from the situation and they shot him *in the back*. Could have tazed him again. Could have tried something else; the video shows them letting him get to his car and open the door before coming up behind him and shooting multiple times into his back. But why bother, right? It's just a black man!
You tell your story of how hard things were in your country and how you fled to escape those issues. People here don't have that option very often, nor do they have better places to run to. So you expressing all this hate towards BLM as a whole is amazing to me. If you're allowed to want and search for a better life and way to live, why aren't they? Hate the looters. Hate the people taking advantage of the chaos between the police and protesters (many of them white people) to destroy things, to steal, to fight. But don't hate the movement by an oppressed people to be less oppressed.
Just as white nationalism has worked hard to get itself in control of the NRA, I don't doubt that certain socialist groups are trying to redirect BLM and other causes.
But if shouting "racism" is enough to rally modern liberals toward any misdirected cause, just shout "freedom" among conservatives, and see what happens. The reactions are about the same.
Four more years! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how.....ups-voted-2016
The Neo-Nazis ended up running away with their tails between their legs.
Also, I'm disappointed in hearing you use the dumbest of modern racist insults, "soyboy." I swear, this journal feels like it was written by a different person.
I mean, East Asia has been making tofu for 2,000 years, if phytoestrogens made men effeminate you’d think we’d know by now.
White supremacists lifted this factoid from a genetics journal and made it a symbol -- their ability to drink dairy is a sign of their racial superiority. This quickly led to rather ridiculous/hilarious demonstrations of this, like dude-bros aggressively chugging dairy milk at people. I remember seeing "Enter the Milk Zone's" claim against non-whites: "if you can't drink milk, you have to go back." Soyboy is the flip side of the coin -- people who don't drink dairy milk are weaker/inferior.
(Unfortunately for the racists, the same mutation did also develop among cattle raisers in East Africa, so it's not entirely a European thing after all)
BOTH commies and Nazis are bad, mmmmkay?
Here in Philadelphia, we've had several examples of peaceful protests becoming riots - AFTER the cops attacked an otherwise peaceful crowd. When all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails.
The people burning things are angry. Angry people don't always make good decisions. Emotional responses aren't generally subject to rational thinking. Whether or not the violence is helping or hurting is a conversation we can have, but looking at people who are acting out of anger and hurt and saying "Well that isn't helping them win their point!" is kind of tone deaf. Would you look at someone weeping over a loved one's casket and ask "Why are you crying? That won't bring them back." Emotional responses aren't something you can really argue with. They just happen.
I also never thought you, of all people, would fall for blatant lies by agitators like Ngo. I'm honestly amazed you didn't try a milkshake line, people still believe that.
Let me... try to explain how I understand this to work. Say there is a position. Not a group with membership cards and a hierarchy like a church or a military or a corporation or something that works top-down from an ideological dictator, a strongman, if you will. Emergent complexity, coming from the smallest units of the group forming up into an organized mass, like a school of fish. Can you, an outsider, reliably predict what an individual element or a pre-organized separatist bloc will do within the emergently complex mass? Could you, an outsider, note and separate out infiltrators and agitators who can do bad actions and sneak out? Who's taking roll to know who left after bad stuff happened? You're still stuck in the days of Kaisers and Kings when almighty dictators were the only game in town. Things are decentralized and all you're doing is harping on the obvious weaknesses rather than understanding it's a new paradigm figuring itself out.
Where were they? They were the white boys from 4chan with tiki torches chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us" who hold The Turner Diaries close by but want to be invited to good parties and good internships. Or scared little pisspants boys who finally figured out that it was REAL AS FUCK when the tattooed swastika men started surrounding them. They made their choice. "Can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding." They're people who suck the dicks of Jordan Peterson, Stephan Molineux, Steven Crowder and Lauren Southern.
Of course, Orwell was, himself a Socialist. he wasn't anti-Communist, he was anti-Stalin.
Here, I'm sure you'll enjoy it: https://twitter.com/anoncatanoncat/.....96761640747008