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Some day, some day, I would just love to click on the FurAffinity news and see them implement a proper blacklisting system.
That's all I ask for.
I understand that there is a block.
But, all that does is make sure the user does not contact you.
It does not block out images made for them with their name in the description.
It does not block out images they post from showing up on the front page or from artists they commission in my submission feed.
It does not stop them from being able to see your content.
It is the most basic band-aid block system ever.
For someone with PTSD / Traumas from folks in this community, it fucking sucks.
I'm just so tired of getting my hopes up of seeing the news feed and getting disappointed.
I would love to be able to browse this site and support amazing artists without the worry of re traumatizing myself.
A shiny new toy is great; but, honestly, not something that I feel was inherently needed.
Just needed to vent that out in to the void.
I've been on this site for too damned long to not see something implemented to protect those with PTSD / Traumas.
Also to anyone that comments that Firefox has a blacklisting system, yeah, I've used it and it does not work.
Please, do not comment below suggesting it when it has never worked properly.
That's all I ask for.
I understand that there is a block.
But, all that does is make sure the user does not contact you.
It does not block out images made for them with their name in the description.
It does not block out images they post from showing up on the front page or from artists they commission in my submission feed.
It does not stop them from being able to see your content.
It is the most basic band-aid block system ever.
For someone with PTSD / Traumas from folks in this community, it fucking sucks.
I'm just so tired of getting my hopes up of seeing the news feed and getting disappointed.
I would love to be able to browse this site and support amazing artists without the worry of re traumatizing myself.
A shiny new toy is great; but, honestly, not something that I feel was inherently needed.
Just needed to vent that out in to the void.
I've been on this site for too damned long to not see something implemented to protect those with PTSD / Traumas.
Also to anyone that comments that Firefox has a blacklisting system, yeah, I've used it and it does not work.
Please, do not comment below suggesting it when it has never worked properly.
But, for folks like me, it is essential.
Therapists recommend the survivors of such traumas to pull as far away from the abuser as possible.
FurAffinity does not allow folks like myself the capability to do that.
I'm essentially working in an office where I have the high probability to run in to my abuser every single day.
That is not a fun world to live in.
If you can't browse FA without being re traumatized, I think that a move is the best thing.
Telling someone to pack up and move is equivalent to telling someone to just be happy when they are depressed.
That suggestion is assuming that I will know the income that I will make if I just hop ship and move to another website.
To put it in perspective, that is essentially telling me to just take a job cross country with not knowing what my income will be when I move to that new location; but, still having to and knowingly paying the current price of the bills I have to pay where I currently live.
No one in their right mind would willingly do that if the job that they have currently meets the their bills demands. That is way too many what ifs to take a gamble on. That is why a lot of folks return after moving to another website. The risk did not pay out a good enough reward.
That is also boldly assuming that I do not use the tools at my disposal to help myself.
There are plenty of measures that I take personally to not traumatize myself.
That does not mean that sometimes things slip through the cracks and I get retraumatized. PTSD can ruin my entire day if I get triggered. I get flashbacks. I get panic attacks and have to do measures to calm myself down. That is a day without getting paid. It sucks.
So, of course, I will sigh and wish the site that I love and have grown my business on would just offer me this one basic tool that every other website has as mandatory now-a-days.
FurAffinity is grossly behind the curve on implementing tools to help folks with PTSD / Traumas / Stalkers / Triggers. Furaffinity is essentially still using floppy disks when everyone has moved on past CDs and in to the future. That's a fault on FurAffinity. Especially when they pride and tout themselves as caring about their community.
They have had several years to address this gaping hole of a problem and have just chosen not to do so. I've been here since 2011. They have constantly stated over the years they want to add in a proper blacklist system, and even when they get funds from sponsors, they have done nothing about it. Hollow words. Hollow promises.
Of course, I am going to complain and be disappointed.
Just the safety and security of their users that practically give life to this website is all I ask for. I do not think it is wrong for me to complain and ask for change when it is desperately needed for a portion of the community and they obviously it is know based on comments below.
And this is putting a lot of trust in other people, which I think isn't where I wouldn't put my trust. And I realize this is just a vent of yours, but it's not a fun spot to be in. And it's a pain in the ass that it's always the victims that have to pack up while the perpetrator get off with a slap on the wrist.
I hope there are better days ahead.
It is ignorant to just say "fuck the money" when it is required to live.
I need money to pay for important medications to keep me alive.
I need money for food to make sure that I do not starve.
It's not like I have funds to spare. I live pay check to pay check as an artist.
Literally every assumption about your statement is incorrect.
Partial bits of audience do follow, but not everyone.
I posted I made a Twitter some time ago. Out of nearly 8k followers here, 200 or so moved.
Not all of them are willing to commission me or can afford to do so.
Beyond that, it takes time to build up an audience again.
Even that is completely based on luck and happen stance.
It's not like you just suddenly get granted double what you have on another site.
It's truly playing a lottery on if you get followers or not.
There is no guarantee, and even then, there is no guarantee they'd commission you either.
The sentimental ideals of a situation working out as near perfect as you'd put it is great. But not realistic.
Sorry, but statistics have shown and state that it just would not happen.
Not in the way that I would be able to afford to live.
Also, just, even beyond that point.
I do not want to be kicked off of the platform that I enjoy.
I'm not leaving. I can live with the hurdles that are thrown at me.
It would just be nice to be given a shield and not just a sword to go in to battle with.
You don’t understand how not being able to afford needs will also tank a persons well-being as well, do you?
Aden can’t just “move to another site” when all the money is here because no one else will leave it.
I haven't worked since February since the coronavirus, my husband's job let him go last week (made a journal that you can take the time to read or not, it matters not to me) for the same reason, and my audience is gone, as I mentioned. I'm a lowlife scum, so it's easy for me to say. *shrug* Aiden can do a lot of things, and my blurb won't sway one way or the other. Or maybe it will, won't be my choice though! ;)
So this site should change to protect its users, not the users be forced to do without because the site doesn’t care.
Understand that I will take your words with a grain of salt though.
This has been a promise for years and has never been addressed.
A understanding of why something so important has not been implemented yet would be better, in my opinion.
A transparent discussion on something as serious and important as a blacklisting system would be appreciated.
Since, from an outside perspective of someone that cannot see the code, its tiresome to see more things being added to the code to propagate forms of me seeing the artwork from folks that will traumatize me.
It is just another thing I have to be mindful of and add to the numerous amount of tools I already use to keep myself safe.
Rather than making things easier, it has made things harder.
I hope that makes sense, as to where I am coming from and why I am frustrated.
I'm not mad at the moderators, by any means, so please do not take this as a personal attack on you.
I just hope that folks can empathize with a situation to better understand and fix blatant problems in a system.
Regardless, thank you for taking the time to comment.
Im frustrated and I feel for everyone who had to deal with this bad system
Do you knoe by chance if blocking them does or does not let them see what you post as well?
If you have folks that you feel would stalk your content, be wary of what you feel like sharing.
I've had folks- and possibly still do have folks- that stalk my journals and submission feeds in order to slander me.
My personal therapist that I have been seeing for five years has recommended to set boundaries and share as little as possible.
Just for my own well being and to make sure that no one can find where I live.
Be safe.
I'll definitely be weary now. Thank you so much for alerting me of this, dear. I wish you the best of luck moving forward on this hell hole of a site.
Best of luck with dealing with that crowd and finding a way that brings you peace.
I struggled with sharing my family oriented art for a long time because of some particularly gross consumers.
I made a separate account for it, and have notes disabled on it.
If that brings you some sort of peace, you can try that method.
Otherwise, best of luck. Especially with folks saving and re posting images on different sites, its hard to combat that one.
Again, my sympathies.
It's available for FireFox and Chrome if you'd like to give it a look, and extremely simple to use!
Edit: saw the last bit, apologies
It's sadly never worked for me properly, or when I have it added in to my Firefox it does not work at all.
As for it not working properly, even with all the tags I'd have it look out for, it wouldn't catch all of it.
I'd still get submissions in my inbox with their character in it from stuff they commissioned.
Or see their comments when I want to leave a comment on a picture I want to leave love and appreciation on.
It filtered out maybe, at best, 3 out of 10 instances I bumped in to their content.
If it worked at all. I had it working for a solid few months before it just stopped working entirely.
I love your icon so much~
I have had stalkers, and still do have stalkers.
I do not think they understand the harm those folks can cause in the real world.
It is a breach of privacy and a large breach of safety and it is disgusting it has gone on this long without being fixed.
I hope you are staying safe.
I wish you the best and hope your problem goes away soon enough.
I hope you as well are staying safe.Perhaos one day FA will give us that glorious IP block. ;;
Like... why?!
Does being behind a keyboard give some folk THAT much false courage to do stuff they're too cowardly to attempt IRL (where they can suffer actual repercussions)?
It's just sickening to me to hear of good people like you having to endure trash like that from other so-called folks. Feel like I want to strangle them in your stead, but obviously I can't, for obvious, numerous reasons.
But you've not been the only one, of course, I've seen similar tales told as well from other people I've followed here, so that does make me wonder how come such a feature (which appears rather standard on most social sites) hasn't been implemented.
It took me many years of therapy to get to the point where I am and feel safe enough.
I wish for them the best, and hope each of them grow as a person to be better and do better.
Both for their own sake, but for the health and safety of those around them.
With that in mind, I still want nothing to do with them and would like their work to be abolished from my view.
That would be my paradise.
Being a Republican, several artists have blocked me. Or, maybe they blocked me for other reasons. However, I still follow them. I cannot comment on their artwork. I cannot favorite their artwork. However, I can still admire their artwork and download it if I want to. If they must block me, then so be it. I respect their decision. However, I still consider them great artists and I wish they didn't block me. One artist in particular, I never could figure out why she blocked me. But I still enjoy her artwork and it would be heartbreaking to suddenly not hear from them again, or to go to their page and it says "Sorry, the user has blocked you. Piss off."
When someone is blocked, that person is made invisible. Unless they get their friends to comment for them, or do things on their behalf, or unless they violate already existing TOS rules by making a new account, the blocked artist has no way of knowing why he was blocked or of even leaving a shout or commenting. That should be enough. Anything more, is excessive. Plus, it would fragment the community, and what we need is to come together, not further inject politics and petty hatred into our love for art and the fandom.
I have written and rewritten how to respond to this; but, honestly, there is too much here to really sift through.
I'll try to answer you in a simple manner, than dissect and pick apart literally everything going on here.
Because, I feel there is way too many deep underlying things here that I do not have the patience to deal with.
But, I will try to at least explain the point of blacklisting.
Speaking from personal experience, when I block someone, it is not to make them feel invisible.
It is stating my boundaries. What I tolerate in my life and what I am willing to accept.
To block someone means that they have grossly crossed my boundaries for me to take action against them.
They either disrespected me, hurt me, or hurt folks like me and would likely do the same to me.
I am not going to have someone sit at my table that will disrespect my cooking.
They will not be welcome to eat from my plate ever again.
That does not mean they never get to eat ever again.
They can cook their own meals or find someone elses plate to eat from.
Blocking someone is a safety measure.
As is locking your door to keep intruders from entering your home without your permission.
Blacklisting is then adding on the restraining order.
Or, maybe even less extreme, adding a fence to your property. Or adding cameras. Or adding a security dog.
Take your pick on that front for whatever you need to understand this metaphor.
If you decide that you want to disrespect my blatant warnings that I do not want anyone on my property, than you are missing the point of why security is there in the first place, and are - in turn - proving the point of why it is there.
"...or act like a crazed lunatic, you will be blocked and reported. Simple as that."
You fully understand what qualifies someone to possibly be blocked.
That is an admission that you are willing to block someone yourself.
So, you question why someone is blocking you, and that it upsets you when someone does it.
Yet you blatantly do it yourself and have never compared the two situations together?
There can be a capacity there to empathize with someones reasons to block you, with why you block people.
There could be a capacity to grow, evaluate, and answer the exact questions and feelings that you have on the matter.
For fucks sake.
Blocked, my dude.
I got literally no time for this shit.
I have had more than my own fill of this place, and while I have read some of your responses in full, and I empathize with you, it is quite possibly the best case scenario for you to gradually, slowly yet surely, migrate off here. Not all at once, obviously, as the points you made about job security is essential, but finding another good source to host yourself, and your work through, that has more adequate services tailored to your needs should be your priority. Working in a hostile environment run by equally questionable "managers" of said environment is just going to put you further and further into stepping away permanently, rather than finding something that you genuinely enjoy posting through because you have more control over what happens on your page(s).
FA is like Twitch in the respect that there isn't really much competition out there to utilize in the proverbial market that exists. Sure, Mixxer was a thing for a while, but it went under because, well, it's Microsoft at the end of the day. Here, we have FA at the center, but we have websites like Inkbunny that actively profit off of UAA / CP art and traffic it. We have Weasyl that, with more traffic and adequate staffing/funding, could become something if its own site security / coding could get fixed. There's FurryNetwork which is run/owned by a 'popufur,' and the site only actively promotes popular artists and creators, which buries anyone up-and-coming beneath its horrible UI. Toyhouse, which has so many fantastic features, is currently stuck in the stage of development that is most-critical, and may in turn fail if it can't get over that last hump. Newgrounds is hit or miss. FurryLifeOnline has made some questionable decisions that has split the community's willingness to use its platform despite being -almost- an out-of-the-box, ready-to-go site (in a sense). Facebook and Twitter are like trying to decide which politician to vote for of the lesser two evils. SoFurry I have heard little to almost nothing about since I remember its inception, so no comment there.
Unfortunately, and regrettably, with the above stated (I've been in / out in / out of the proverbial "community" for far too long, as you can tell), FA is much like a corporation that has its fingers in far too many other sub companies. It's all you buy from, work from, use from, care from...because the options, while numerous, probably cheaper, are not "name brand." We're forced to use this site because of stability. Even if it's the most toxic cesspool on the planet, we're forced to swim in it just to feel a sense of clean.
You have my support though, and would encourage a gradual shift away towards something that works, but at the suggestion that you avoid places like Twitter, Ink Bunny, Furry Network, and FLO. I'd personally recommend Toyhouse, and although it's rough around the edges, Weasyl.
Having any hope or faith here is wasting the energy on deaf ears and blind eyes. They can say its a priority, but after multiple donation drives, what do we have to show for the multiple tens of thousands out of user's pockets? Half-baked goods and that's about it.
I believe you will find something better, and escape there. This place should exist as a wiki memory and nothing more, if you ask me. Of course, that view is based off interactions with staff throughout the some decade I've been here, and the near two decades I've been an anthro enthusiast. That and the sheer abundance of real facts come to light about this place in general, and those who run/operate it.
Take your time, keep strong, and keep working towards your goals. 💪
Perhaps my complaint came across as a desperate cry. When, really it's just back office grumbling.
I'm a big boy. Ive found ways to work through the tragedy that is Furaffinitys block system to a point that is manageable. Statistically I might traumatize myself once every six months or so.
Its not often. Because I made my own tools to battle it. But, while I hack through this site with a sword at my side to deal with stuff, I felt it right to at least air my grievences that having a shield would be nice too.
I made a Twitter.
I have a Toyhou.se and a Weasyl.
But that does not mean Furaffinity isn't my most active platform. Nor do I hate this platform. I just feel like as someone that works here that I can grumble in the back office over a cup of coffee.
It's a shame that people can't realize their own shortcomings as a person and better themselves, but instead wallow around in their own self-made hatred and target people for no reason other than they've felt slighted in some way.
For what it is worth, I do hope you can continue to 'hack and slash' through the dense underbrush of empty promises, poor staffing, and other such incredibly outlandish behaviors of others in your way here.
Maybe one day there will be another place worth packing up ship and sailing towards to begin anew with better options available for setting up shop. That way we can all leave here in droves like people abandoning the Picarto ship in favor of Piczel's promised land.
Keep up the wonderful work and look forward to seeing more of it, regardless of which platform you're on.
But, most folks I've had to deal with just cannot admit that what they did was wrong. They cannot admit they fucked up and were cruel. I'm defense, they attack me in turn. Better to get me before I can get them and all that. Even if all I want to do is just pick up the pieces and move the fuck on with my life.
Its a never ending cycle on that front. While the victim wants to move on, the abuser will constantly sow seeds to make sure the truth never touches them or those they hold dear. Rotten and poisoned crops of lies that are like weeds. When they occasionally cross my path I just wack through it and keep moving.
Though, I do pity and mourn those that deal with folks that act out of jealousy and spite. Those are their own can of worms. Not that I don't deal with them too. But, when you've gone through the shit that I have, the little battles mean nothing compared to the full picture of war.
I just wish everyone could be given a sword and shield or armour to protect themselves. Because there are those less seasoned to be able to handle this kind of thing and I fear for them. I cannot protect them when I cannot see their suffering. But I know they exist, because I existed.
So I grumble and stew and wish for a better day on their behalf. As well as the small token of joy it will bring me.
PTSD really, REALLY sucks... And being able to protect yourself from triggers is important... Especially when those triggers are attached to a user who uses the same site you do. You're not asking much. You're not asking that they be banned from the site. You just want your safety. Which is entirely acceptable to request.
I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that... But you're not alone. I know that probably doesn't help a whole lot. It sucks for a lot of people and I'm not really the most positive of people... But know that you're valid in what you're asking and it's not too much to ask. You sound like you've really got your head on your shoulders and you've come a long way, in which I congratulate you. I truly, truly hope that something can be done somewhere to help people like you, me, and others here who struggle with the insufficient block system.
Nothing against the site, still going to be here. It's just... incredibly unfortunate and painful.
Truly, I completely understand.
PTSD is one of those things I would not wish on any of my enemies.
If you ever need someone to talk to about it I'll give you a shoulder.
Stand in solidarity and all that.
Make sure you give yourself some hugs.
If you need to talk, my notes are generally always open too.
Being a supportive community is what people need.
Thank you, you too.
It prevents you from seeing their stuff and it prevents them from seeing your stuff. Hell, it even forbid you to access their userpage. That'd be awesome if they implemented that.
Literally anything than what is currently implemented.
Original Forum Post Date: 2020-11-19 (19th of October 2020)
But, they have been saying that shit for years.
So when someone blocks you and you try and go to their account it should show up the same thing except it will say you can't due to being blocked.
But mind you. Some folks commission other artists on here or have multiple accounts.
Not to mention them commenting in other places.
Artwork featuring them or comments would have to be deleted or hidden.
You’d think after all the complaints and tickets filed over the years that this wouldn’t be something they’re “considering” but something already done.
I have had to resort to unfollowing artists that the people constantly buy from and I don’t ever look at the home page or recent sub page anymore because I can’t guarantee I won’t see art of their character or anything they post.
A person they had banned on the site is back because she is now paying FA premium.
This same person has been a cause of damage for me in my life. I feel unsafe posting because she is watching my profile, like actually on my watchers list. It's why my profile is blank because I can not post a single item without her taking notice. She was one to sell her own species to people, then if she did not like the person, she would resell the design. This same person is known for various scams as well. When it came to doing half-payments of art for her characters, she had folks paying full price despite her promising that she was going to pay her half, just to avoid having a bad reputation with the artist. Or overall being unpleasant to work with for artists drawing them.
This person has gone around blocks in various platforms. Telling me lies to get me to be friends with her again, like she was going to marry this guy. She had the guy IM me just to tell me that then say that she wants me back. Or her recent favorite was telling me that she has cancer and that she was dying, that she needs me to come back. But she is still here two to three years later doing just fine. That level of manipulation and lying is what has me in panic when I see even her name or her characters now. I had put up with it for years and I don't want to anymore...
I empathise completely.
At least if they try to contact you through friends or separate accounts you can report it to the FA staff.
Doesn't mean they will listen since this site has an issue of sucking people's cocks and playing favouritism.
But it's a 'its in the rules' card for you.
I hope other sites other than this one bring you safety.
I dump art. Respond when necessary and get the fuck out of dodge.
I no longer engage with this community like I once did.
I'm really sorry this is impacting you so significantly and causing so much strain. I wish I had something to offer to help. I genuinely hope the staff that have commented here are being truthful that a more thorough blocking system is in the works and can be implemented soon.
My life is on the up and up. Its not like I'm drowning.
But, if I were me from five years ago? This site was fucking awful. The fact it still hasn't been updated to properly protect their user base sickens me for anyone that is in the situation I once was in.
This site is so drama-phobic that when real issues come up and people need protection they just tell you to suck a dick. Have a blanket form of block and best of luck. Puts victims at huge risk.
I cant wrap my head around how they rebuilt the entire site and managed to leave so much of it untouched while changing most of what made it functional... and did nothing to give us even the most basic blacklist let alone tools to manage our art and user engagement. It sucks.
Like. At the very least block should also remove the avility to get faves and etc from people. But it doesnt do that.
Theres no way to fully block or remove users and no way to blacklist what we dont want to see.
like, dA has you choose what something is rated mature for (nudity, sexual themes, gore, ideological things, etc.) and you can click and read the description and such before choosing to view it.
I don't get why FA even has separate 'mature' and 'adult' tags if they do nothing besides provide different coloured borders to art, lol