Devaluing Watchers and Toxic Artistry
5 years ago
General
I typically keep to myself and I don't call out the behavior of other artists. However, this was cringy enough that I wanted to share a particularly toxic mindset with all of you, to be mindful of and watch for.
There is an artist on both DeviantArt and FurAffinity who you may be familiar with. Their art is cute and usually bubbly; a very sketchy and rough style.
This artist also posts journals, updates, chat posts, etc., almost daily, or multiple times a day, asking why they aren't receiving more attention, followers, favorites, comments, and advertising all of their posting platforms. At first, it came off as looking for attention and validation, the usual you'll see from time to time from beginning artists trying to find their niche in a crowded market.
But it continued... daily... often.
A recent post was, again, complaining that they were only receiving 'x' amount of favorites per hour and demanded to know if their watchers were dead. There were a few typical praise and attention comments, but one in particular stood out. The comment wasn't hostile in any manner and simply stated that 'x' amount of favorites per hour was pretty good, making the artist come off as ungrateful for the support they garner.
I likewise wanted to give input, having felt under appreciated before and eventually growing up and maturing to realize that art shouldn't be about attention and validation. When I clicked reply, nothing happened. This is due to the fact the artist deleted the comment provided by that watcher, which I had been replying to.
Instantly after deleting this comment, the initial artist made the statement that, in essence, if you did not outright praise and give affection toward her artwork, offering any kind of conflicting opinion, you would be deleted and banned.
"People who think 'x' is enough and unpopularity what small artist are deserve - f.ck off from my page.
People who think I have to be positive and love someone without reson and care about people who doesn't care about me - f.ck off from my page.
People who teach me how I have to live and what emotion I have to feel - f.ck off from my page.
Comments like this will be deleted, persons will be banned for forever.
Other who support, fave and share my art - welcome, thank you, you amazing. "
Wow... rough mindset. It's unfortunate that someone's immaturity and hostility prevents them from seeing any advice as anything other than a personal attack.
Regardless, I offered the following response.
" As cute and bubbly as your work is, the constant bombardment asking for more watches and favorites, or complaining about not receiving as many as you want, is not only depreciating the followers you already have and devaluing them, it's going to drive those same followers away. It can be a definite bummer when we don't feel our efforts are noticed, but you should stand back from time to time and gain perspective. Let your work speak for itself and drive your efforts for self improvement and fulfillment. Creating artwork should be for satisfaction of personal growth, fun, and exploration. Creating out of a drive for attention is not sustainable.
If your work is aesthetically desirable, it will draw attention and affection on its own. Let your work speak for itself.
Granted, because this comment isn't outright offering praise, I'm anticipating it being deleted, which will only devalue another watcher who enjoys seeing what you post."
To no one's surprise, and only proving my point, the artist instantly deleted my comment and banned me from their profile.
I haven't seen this behavior in a while, but it's unfortunate how entitled and, for lack of a better word, bratty, some younger artists are. You are not entitled to watchers. You are not entitled to favorites, comments, or being showered in praise. I used to feel this way and, thankfully, grew up to realize that art was for my own satisfaction. If it drew a favorite, it was appreciated. If someone took the time to leave a comment, even one not providing critique, I appreciated it.
Creating art for my own happiness is what paid off. I'm not the most successful or popular artist out there, and I'm okay with that.
Gain perspective. I have people who enjoy my work and it's warming, but I make it for myself. I have several amazing and loyal watchers and clients whom I adore. It makes me joyful to no end that they want a piece of art made by me.
I don't always receive a million favorites or comments to things I post. I'm okay with that.
In the end, please find perspective, to all budding and developed artists out there, that venting about a lack of watchers you perceive you're entitled to, will only drive away those who enjoy your work. It's unfortunate that an artist would block a watcher, after complaining about not receiving attention. It's a self-destructive and hostile mindset that is cringe-worthy all around.
Love what you do for you. Keep drawing, and take time to appreciate your progress and self achievements. That will give you more satisfaction than a favorite ever could.
There is an artist on both DeviantArt and FurAffinity who you may be familiar with. Their art is cute and usually bubbly; a very sketchy and rough style.
This artist also posts journals, updates, chat posts, etc., almost daily, or multiple times a day, asking why they aren't receiving more attention, followers, favorites, comments, and advertising all of their posting platforms. At first, it came off as looking for attention and validation, the usual you'll see from time to time from beginning artists trying to find their niche in a crowded market.
But it continued... daily... often.
A recent post was, again, complaining that they were only receiving 'x' amount of favorites per hour and demanded to know if their watchers were dead. There were a few typical praise and attention comments, but one in particular stood out. The comment wasn't hostile in any manner and simply stated that 'x' amount of favorites per hour was pretty good, making the artist come off as ungrateful for the support they garner.
I likewise wanted to give input, having felt under appreciated before and eventually growing up and maturing to realize that art shouldn't be about attention and validation. When I clicked reply, nothing happened. This is due to the fact the artist deleted the comment provided by that watcher, which I had been replying to.
Instantly after deleting this comment, the initial artist made the statement that, in essence, if you did not outright praise and give affection toward her artwork, offering any kind of conflicting opinion, you would be deleted and banned.
"People who think 'x' is enough and unpopularity what small artist are deserve - f.ck off from my page.
People who think I have to be positive and love someone without reson and care about people who doesn't care about me - f.ck off from my page.
People who teach me how I have to live and what emotion I have to feel - f.ck off from my page.
Comments like this will be deleted, persons will be banned for forever.
Other who support, fave and share my art - welcome, thank you, you amazing. "
Wow... rough mindset. It's unfortunate that someone's immaturity and hostility prevents them from seeing any advice as anything other than a personal attack.
Regardless, I offered the following response.
" As cute and bubbly as your work is, the constant bombardment asking for more watches and favorites, or complaining about not receiving as many as you want, is not only depreciating the followers you already have and devaluing them, it's going to drive those same followers away. It can be a definite bummer when we don't feel our efforts are noticed, but you should stand back from time to time and gain perspective. Let your work speak for itself and drive your efforts for self improvement and fulfillment. Creating artwork should be for satisfaction of personal growth, fun, and exploration. Creating out of a drive for attention is not sustainable.
If your work is aesthetically desirable, it will draw attention and affection on its own. Let your work speak for itself.
Granted, because this comment isn't outright offering praise, I'm anticipating it being deleted, which will only devalue another watcher who enjoys seeing what you post."
To no one's surprise, and only proving my point, the artist instantly deleted my comment and banned me from their profile.
I haven't seen this behavior in a while, but it's unfortunate how entitled and, for lack of a better word, bratty, some younger artists are. You are not entitled to watchers. You are not entitled to favorites, comments, or being showered in praise. I used to feel this way and, thankfully, grew up to realize that art was for my own satisfaction. If it drew a favorite, it was appreciated. If someone took the time to leave a comment, even one not providing critique, I appreciated it.
Creating art for my own happiness is what paid off. I'm not the most successful or popular artist out there, and I'm okay with that.
Gain perspective. I have people who enjoy my work and it's warming, but I make it for myself. I have several amazing and loyal watchers and clients whom I adore. It makes me joyful to no end that they want a piece of art made by me.
I don't always receive a million favorites or comments to things I post. I'm okay with that.
In the end, please find perspective, to all budding and developed artists out there, that venting about a lack of watchers you perceive you're entitled to, will only drive away those who enjoy your work. It's unfortunate that an artist would block a watcher, after complaining about not receiving attention. It's a self-destructive and hostile mindset that is cringe-worthy all around.
Love what you do for you. Keep drawing, and take time to appreciate your progress and self achievements. That will give you more satisfaction than a favorite ever could.
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I understand that the need for validation of strong and juicy, but... when it becomes the ONLY moving force, that's awful.
I did precisely start posting all of my stuff to meet other people who liked the same things than I, via my character. It's great and nice to see that some people start coming repeatedly, and you eventually start chatting with them and become friends over the years.
To think about devaluating all of that and just demanding them to post for the sake of posting makes me feel real weird š¤
Like you said, it's fantastic to find people who share the same tastes and enjoyment, and make those items/artworks even more special because they've now held a deeper connection.
Artists who do nothing but seek constant validation and belittle the affection they already receive, will not be happy until they can overcome such a toxic mindset. It will only continue to make them unhappy.
I knew someone on here who used to always complain about a lack of attention and say things like āIām giving up on drawing commissions/species/personal worksā just because they didnāt get famous within a few weeks or months. And then would shame their watchers for not spreading the word enough. Meanwhile they had people who were loyal and loved their work that they eventually chased away while looking only for what they didnāt have, and never appreciating what was there.
A friend of mine also gets very upset when theyāre not popular enough, or donāt get enough attention. They arenāt an artist but they tend to buy art only if they think the āfansā will like it. And thatās just not a good reason to spend tons of money. Why buy it if itās not what you want?
In either case that mentality is bad, and can be really hurtful. I had told both of them that if they just do what they love and have patience, people who like their stuff for what it really is will find them and stick around, but they didnāt seem to listen.
I am personally really grateful for every person who takes the time to favourite or comment, or even just look at my work. I draw what I love and itās an honour that others see it and enjoy it too. Art is personal and subjective, and shouldnāt just be a tool for attention.
You know I love your work and I thoroughly enjoy seeing it, and commissioning you has been nothing but excellent and enjoyable :{D That you value your work for yourself is wonderfully evident in so much of your art, and that's something I live about your work <3
PS... I haven't forgotten about your whiskerly garden escapades and love that I still get to make things for you now and then. <3
No worries at all, absolutely LOVE how the first piece looks and I'm super excited for the second, take all the time you need! It's always whiskerly worth it <3
Long story short-ish, one of my followers informed me last year of a guy taking one of my usernames (Adaru32) and posing as me, while at the same time tracing peoples' art work, including my own.
I've made journals about him (which got deleted due to the policies on here about calling users out), and a long~ Tumblr post explaining the type of character he is (which can be found here if you're curious about it. There's also a sub link on where it says "this matter" - https://adaru32.tumblr.com/post/636.....-tracer-matter )
He does the same thing where he considers any critique as "mean" or "bullying", and he'll either delete or block anyone who calls him out on what images he's traced. He's also stated about needing attention in some entries, then turning around and saying "I'm not asking for attention", and deleting his content after, and/or making alternate profiles. Plus he blames his ADHD for doing the bad things he does.
To this day he still traces stuff and puts my Adaru32 username in his profile, descriptions, or tags. He's pretty good at colouring but his line work definitely needs a lot of improvement since all he does is trace.
It's disappointing to see that that artist continues to trace to this day. They will not have any growth or self style by doing this.
I know a couple people like that, and it's so hard to make them realize that even though they say their stuff is shit, you still enjoy it. Your opinion just doesn't matter at all cuz you aren't popular enough or something.
Really makes you feel like you don't even want to compliment their stuff anymore cuz they don't care.
Update: I just did it.
All said and done, it was past time for me to unwatch them too, but was banned before I could. *shrugs* In the end, that artist, unless they decide to grow up, will not find happiness by belittling the efforts of those who watch her.
Honestly, I wish her the best. I just choose not to subject myself to toxic behavior. I get enough of that IRL and I am trying to distance myself from that too. It's how I keep my sanity.
It's a shame if their works is awesome and pretty cute but the behavior really uncomfortable for me (and some of us)
I know for me personally when I started out, I knew I was pretty bad at art, and over time as my skills improved and I still wasn't gaining watchers, I wouldn't complain publicly about it, but mostly to the few people I had made friends with and some of them said you just got to keep posting, it will come in time, and sometimes getting famous too fast can also be its own host of problems and can lead to even more anxiety in the long run, because now you now feel pressured to perform at top tier levels at all times, even if that is not the case. And for me, it was mostly because I wanted to share my art with people and meet new artists and get feedback, for me it was more about wanting to grow as an artist and less strictly about numbers, but in order to get the right connections, you sometimes need the numbers to come along with it.
Some of the earliest friends of mine in the fandom that were fellow artists was RedRaptor and owly of whom the former did a tail tutorial upon suggestion and a piece of gift art I still cherish to this day, and then latter did a collab with me which really helped boost my confidence, but if it also wasn't for me being generally friendly with them even with the small numbers I had, I don't think I would be where I am at, caring less about number and more about the quality of interactions I have with other artists, some of whom I would consider good and close friends, who I still look up to and know that my skill level still isn't there, but also know they enjoy watching me grow in return, and figure new things out.
And as with anything, you always have to start somewhere, and I wish more people would understand this, you will not have instant success and if you do, it often comes at a cost. The stars that burn brighter burn faster.
But yeah those numbers next to your art are too addicting for some people.