So you’re of the ACAB mindset? Yeah, I don’t deal with assholes like that. Unwatched.

Also, remember what you said if you ever need police help.
“Fuck the police!”
Also “help, police! I’ve been robbed!”

He in fact didn't say ACAB. Maybe you need to reconsider YOUR mindset if that's the reaction you get when people want cops held accountable when they abuse authority.

Considering he specifically said “ If you're going to make any arguments on the sides of the cops, please don't”, as well as “I am not in the mood to put up with Gestapo sympathizers”, that clearly puts him in the “ACAB” group.

Then shall I put you in the extreme of "cops can do no wrong" for your failure to even address the event that is referenced in the original post? Otherwise you are adding nothing of value to the discussion.

I never said all cops are good. I recognize there are bad cops, but to act like OP is to act like ACAB. Even though sometime down the line, they might need police help, then what? Rather hypocritical to disrespect those you might help from later on, no?

I find it rather disrespectful to beat up a member of our military for no good reason.

“Police throughout the United States have been caught fabricating, planting, and manipulating evidence to obtain convictions where cases would otherwise be very weak. Some authorities regard police perjury as so rampant that it can be considered a "subcultural norm rather than an individual aberration" of police officers. Large-scale investigations of police units in almost every major American city have documented massive evidence of tampering, abuse of the arresting power, and discriminatory enforcement of laws. There also appears to be widespread police perjury in the preparation of reports because police know these reports will be used in plea bargaining. Officers often justify false and embellished reports on the grounds that it metes out a rough justice to defendants who are guilty of wrongdoing but may be exonerated on technicalities.”

“If citizens cannot trust that laws will be enforced in an evenhanded and honest fashion, they cannot be said to live under the rule of law. Instead, they live under the rule of men corrupted by the law.”
― Dale Carpenter, Flagrant Conduct: The Story of Lawrence v. Texas

https://youtu.be/9xuw_abLkf8
https://youtu.be/0ShS-WG2tew
https://youtu.be/VhVB5AXp6cA

Feel free to point out where cops are being criminals in these videos. I’ll wait.

Pointing out a few good things cops do is irrelevant to the greater issue. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

"Our analysis shows that the risk of being killed by police is jointly patterned by one’s race, gender, and age. Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men, and young men of color face exceptionally high risk of being killed by police. Inequalities in risk are pronounced throughout the life course. This study reinforces calls to treat police violence as a public health issue"

Yeah, it’s clear you’re not interested in debating in good faith. You’re only interested in standing in a soap box, refusing to even consider the other side, and proclaim yourself right, no matter what. It’s idiots like you that are the real threat to society. You’re blocked.

I'll add that one day while I was in the hospital a man was brought in by the police. He'd been accused of beating up his girlfriend and when approached by police it was while they were pulling out of a gas station. Instead of pulling them over they'd rammed him off the road, causing him to be injured. When he was brought in I was on a gurney waiting to be taken to my room. As I lay there I heard the cops who'd been involved in the mans arrest telling the story to some other cops who were already there waiting for someone else. They all laughed as they got their story straight. See-you're not supposed to up and ram people off the road. That's a Hollywood thing.

Anyways I thought of saying something but at the time I'd been given the side-eye by one of the cops. It was clear what they meant-you didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, keep your mouth shut or else. This is how cops have been portrayed in the media and you know why? Because like most police forces around the world our modern American police force began life as tools of the government. Throughout American history its been used as a cudgel to both intimidate and enforce laws that violate human rights.

We've never lived under the rule of law. It's always been an illusion. It's time to figure out a new way of doing things because what we've got now is a danger to anyone not wealthy and/or a minority.

It’s clear you’re drinking the kool-aid and listening to the fear mk gets that want you to believe getting rid of police would be a good thing, never mind you wouldn’t have anyone to come help you when you’re robbed or assaulted. Smh

And you're using so many strawman's you should be getting farm subsidies.

I've blocked Ty. I should probably have done it sooner, though.

Fear mongers*

Crime is mostly down in the US, and the cases that even are reported are often not solved. But you don't have to take my word for it, you can look for yourself.

Additionally, there was no reason for the officers to behave this way. They certainly didn't need to tell the person that they ought to be afraid to face them.

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it is concerning for me gare: how those in charge of hiring "allegedly" aren't aware a lot of folks sign on to become members of armed forces in order to experience power trips and, in certain other cases, specifically to abuse their granted powers against vulnerable citizens
(while i'm at it: i'm taking a small note, of certain
individuals who aren't chiming in at all here)(it's already bad enough, we have actual military personnel here who were willing to back up *rump, had he made the call to subjugate people he didn't like)

only bona fide criminals, who actively seek to harm innocents, should be afraid of cops; plebeians should not be living in fear of them

correct

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there always shall be some "special" people around, though — ´ey?

people who'd gladly defend / boot•lick the assholes.

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Some folks are very good at hiding their true motives, but like as not most cop precincts are sufficiently corrupt now that them claiming not to know is just a convenient cover.

Matthias has been extremely busy, and I'm honestly not expecting him to comment on these.

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Not to kink shame, but some people just can't seem to get enough of the taste of oppressive boot in their mouths.

(another thread for another time: what role should police play, in our day-to-day lives?
what roles shouldn't police be expected to take on?
and, who will make the call to involve a higher authority, should officer / force get confronted by that which, rightfully, "is not their job"?)

(maybe it's not for me to comment on but, gare: you shouldn't take it lying down, should the usual suspects {even matthias} happen to make their presence known, as a dissenting voice, on any future socio•politcal journal you make)

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some kinks need to be shamed though.

at some point, we-other-people gotta know when to throw in the towel, to declare somethin' absolutely "off-limits" or, if nothing else, as being "that which is to be kept strictly to yourself, away from others."

at some point: the (reasonable!) needs of the collective has to outweigh the wants of individuals.



i don't get the obsession.

the blindness.

is it really true, gare, certain individuals just won't ever acknowledge the struggles of others, until / unless they themselves are subjected to said 'oppression'?
or, if at all, they'd still refuse to learn up through their final dying breath, at the hands of an "equal opportunity" oppressor (or one of their boot-licking representatives)?

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The idea of a community protector is not a bad one, but such a protector needs to serve the community. As they stand now, police serve themselves and also act as authoritarian figures that hurt minority groups.

Health care providers, enforcers of morality, etc.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, perhaps more than I should. I don't like blocking people, and I usually don't get enough notice for it to matter.

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One would think, after the horrors of WWII we'd have learned enough about the dangers of fascism and the desire to control/harm others that we'd have been extremely careful not to allow it to happen again. Sadly this was not the case, and we got things like Operation Paperclip instead.

It certainly seems like, for some people, if it doesn't happen to them they literally can't understand it. Even if it does they can be so attached to a lie they can never accept the truth.

(for yet another thread: in the specific realm of things that actually matter, what topics are okay to 'disagree' on?
what matters'd be okay to not see eye-to-eye on, without necessarily lowering the esteem, in one's eyes, of the dissenter, as a natural consequence?)

at any rate, we can still trace all of this right back up to the consequences of allowing capitalism to run amok — allowing the wealthy to suck large swaths of our society dry while, in some perverse cases, compelling us to thank them for the draining!

in certain, podunk towns, maybe coppers are allowed to take it easier; in the more bustling areas, sometimes coppers do indeed have to take on other roles, which an average citizen wouldn't ordinarily presume to fall within those officers' purview

having to carry naloxone in order to revive a dope fiend

maybe needing to settle a domestic dispute

etc.


all of it is a mess.
a mess that'd germinated (or, maybe more aptly, "metastasized") when european colonizers "settled" this land.

when police, eventually, took on the role of enforcing jim crow; and, looking the other way whenever undesired minorities (or their sympathizers) suffered whatever human rights' violation someone white'd decided to cook up for the hour.

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i googled operation paperclip as i was not familiar with this event (by name)

a couple of the result blurbs i looked over for a few seconds told me enough gare


it honestly sounds "on par for the course"



i didn't reckon ty would be a bootlicker but, it does appear to be case

odd, considering ty seemed glad *rump was being outed

you didn't say anything about "all cops are bastards," so i don't know what lead ty ti such a conclusion...