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An appeal to better angels
4 years ago
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Once upon a time...
Both 
heavensteed and 
longtom have made remarks that have gotten them suspended. The public nature of it, unfortunately, has gotten a mob of angry furries posting nasty things on their pages.
If we're criticizing people for their behaviors when it comes to acting hatefully towards non-cisgender/non-heterosexual people, can we actually claim any moral high ground if our own response is more or less the same thing? If it also results in suicide, can anyone really say they can live with knowing they've caused another human's death, even indirectly?
If we vilify people who say nasty things to teens or vulnerable people that cause them to kill themselves, how are we any better if we do the same? Because it's a Nazi? Is that moral justification?
Right now I'm dealing with a friend who's afraid that what he says to me will end up on a public forum somewhere. I have another who fears he'll lose his job if one thing he says is remotely construed in the wrong way. Their worries about freedom of speech are along the lines that any dissenting or perceived to be dissenting thoughts will be met with severe punishment. And they're not far off, given the censoring of Mark Twain.
And we still have attacks on people whose accounts are now suspended and cannot reply nor delete the remarks.
I'm going to be not around a while. I feel very sick over this whole thing. It's always so darkly ironic that when one wants to do the right thing it can also end up causing unintentional harm.
heavensteed and 
longtom have made remarks that have gotten them suspended. The public nature of it, unfortunately, has gotten a mob of angry furries posting nasty things on their pages.If we're criticizing people for their behaviors when it comes to acting hatefully towards non-cisgender/non-heterosexual people, can we actually claim any moral high ground if our own response is more or less the same thing? If it also results in suicide, can anyone really say they can live with knowing they've caused another human's death, even indirectly?
If we vilify people who say nasty things to teens or vulnerable people that cause them to kill themselves, how are we any better if we do the same? Because it's a Nazi? Is that moral justification?
Right now I'm dealing with a friend who's afraid that what he says to me will end up on a public forum somewhere. I have another who fears he'll lose his job if one thing he says is remotely construed in the wrong way. Their worries about freedom of speech are along the lines that any dissenting or perceived to be dissenting thoughts will be met with severe punishment. And they're not far off, given the censoring of Mark Twain.
And we still have attacks on people whose accounts are now suspended and cannot reply nor delete the remarks.
I'm going to be not around a while. I feel very sick over this whole thing. It's always so darkly ironic that when one wants to do the right thing it can also end up causing unintentional harm.
Death is always added to, never removed from. People who don't consider other humans worthy of their dignity inevitably cause them suffering and death. I want justice for those who do wrong, but death is only death--it can never bring justice.
Having anymore conversations with you is irrelevant. You've already decided that your actions are justified.
not only is he basically victim blaming you, jack also hasn't made any effort to also condemn the actions < longtom > or < heavensteed > during any of his replies
this absence readily says to me implicit endorsement
jack?
there has to come a point in time where we must permit Human Decency to dictate what is and isn't mere "opinion" to "debate" about.
there has to come a point in time where we must permit Human Decency to dictate what simply cannot be up for debate.
this-all isn't on the level of being a simple, trifling matter of someone preferring to wear boxer briefs on sunday and silk lingerie on tuesday; or, of whether someone prefers putting a "q" or an "h" somewhere in their snapchat password.
nay.
this level of "matter," is at the extent to where people are dying because of the kind of mentality hs and lt perpetrate.
so.....what do we do when we can't "convince" them their P.O.V. is fucked up?
what do we do in the here-and-now?
in good consciousness, do you allow the oppressed to continue being oppressed?
being outright killed?
dying off due to inhuman(e) neglect?
i'm not sure what else to do tonya but, i'm listening.
i am listening, and i definitely will never tell you to "stop being pissed off."
the oppressors (and sympathizers) should, at some point, be made to face all the "discomfort" we feel just for being not-white / not-heterosexual / not-cis.conforming — and then some.