SCAMMER WARNING
4 years ago
FA doesn't allow call-out posts so tho i have substantial evidence on one particular user here, i cannot mention them by name. however, that doesn't mean i can't make a post about the scam they are pulling, that many others are likely also using or will be using, so you can look out for it.
first, a little background. there is a massive difference in the value of american currency, the dollar, and russian currency, the rubel. this means that many russian artists will charge what to us americans, is a super cheap price, for art that is worth far more to us. that's not the scam, that's just how things go with an insane exchange rate. (1 USD is roughly 74 RUB- i've also learned that it's pretty high for AUD as well, 1 AUD to about 57 RUB, so watch out for that)
it is very important to note that at no point does this person tell you they are doing this. It is theft and scalping, not brokering. the scammer will avidly claim to have drawn the work themself, and will cut contact if you show them evidence to the contrary. the artists they are commissioning on your behalf are NOT giving permission for their work to be re-sold like this, and in fact have no idea that the scammer is profiting from it at all, or that the characters they are drawing belong to someone else.
-leaves generic 'i love your gallery' shouts on your and many many others' pages (often has an INSANE ratio of comments, like 10x as many given as received, in their stats. the one example i know of, when discussing the commission over discord and asked what they liked about the target's gallery, requested a link to it, since they didn't actually care enough to keep track of which person they were talking to and had to find something relevant to comment on)
-comes to you offering to sell, rather than posting a public price sheet/examples of their work (not publicly posting means they can charge different people different prices for the same amount of work, AND means they can commission any artist for your order without worrying that it won't match "their" style)
-either has no public gallery at all or has a very young one (all artists have to start sometime, but you should always be cautious of new accounts, ESPECIALLY if they come to YOU with an offer)
-has nothing they will not draw, and has no preference on content (since they are not the one drawing and can easily find AN artist who's willing to do what you ask for)
-doesn't link their various accounts to eachother (no way to find them on other sites than the one they contact you from) or has zero consistency in their usernames (to evade bans)
-has very inconsistent art style (art in their gallery may even still have obvious watermarks/signatures that do not match) if you suspect someone of stealing other's art, try putting multiple pieces of "theirs" into a reverse-image search site, and contacting the artists of the oldest posts.
-gets extremely defensive/rude if you question their process, style, or watermark/signature (or just suddenly drops the whole thing, or claims to be busy, after pestering you with almost no breaks)
-is pushy and impatient (since they don't want to give you time to reconsider, and have to get back to the real artist with what you say)
-insists on talking outside of furaffinity, such as discord, instead of through notes (this is not just for faster interaction, putting you under pressure so you are less likely to properly analyze the situation, but also so that the conversation cannot be used against them ON furaffinity)
-speaks really bad english(tho there are plenty of trustworthy russian artists on here and the scam could be operated by someone fluent in english, so don't rely on this trait alone. it is merely more efficient for a native russian speaker to scam other russians)
-has inconsistent pricing or tries to raise the price after you agree to one (they will be open to haggling, since even if it's a lower price they still make a considerable profit for no effort on their part)
-does not use invoices, and/or tries to convince you to pay them 'as a friend' to avoid paypal's protection fees. (when in reality it is so you cannot get a refund) DO NOT USE BOOSTY UNLESS YOU KNOW AND TRUST THE ARTIST. it is just like 'pay as friend' with paypal, in that you CANNOT dispute a transaction/ask for a refund.
first, a little background. there is a massive difference in the value of american currency, the dollar, and russian currency, the rubel. this means that many russian artists will charge what to us americans, is a super cheap price, for art that is worth far more to us. that's not the scam, that's just how things go with an insane exchange rate. (1 USD is roughly 74 RUB- i've also learned that it's pretty high for AUD as well, 1 AUD to about 57 RUB, so watch out for that)
the scam is that there are people here, posing as artists and offering commissions, who charge you the american price (say, 100$ for a nice full-rendered fullbody), then throw your order description into google translate, and commission a russian artist off-site for your picture but at the much cheaper russian price (say, 20$), and then give you the other artist's work, claiming they made it, while pocketing the 80$ difference.
it is very important to note that at no point does this person tell you they are doing this. It is theft and scalping, not brokering. the scammer will avidly claim to have drawn the work themself, and will cut contact if you show them evidence to the contrary. the artists they are commissioning on your behalf are NOT giving permission for their work to be re-sold like this, and in fact have no idea that the scammer is profiting from it at all, or that the characters they are drawing belong to someone else.
what to look out for;
-leaves generic 'i love your gallery' shouts on your and many many others' pages (often has an INSANE ratio of comments, like 10x as many given as received, in their stats. the one example i know of, when discussing the commission over discord and asked what they liked about the target's gallery, requested a link to it, since they didn't actually care enough to keep track of which person they were talking to and had to find something relevant to comment on)
-comes to you offering to sell, rather than posting a public price sheet/examples of their work (not publicly posting means they can charge different people different prices for the same amount of work, AND means they can commission any artist for your order without worrying that it won't match "their" style)
-either has no public gallery at all or has a very young one (all artists have to start sometime, but you should always be cautious of new accounts, ESPECIALLY if they come to YOU with an offer)
-has nothing they will not draw, and has no preference on content (since they are not the one drawing and can easily find AN artist who's willing to do what you ask for)
-doesn't link their various accounts to eachother (no way to find them on other sites than the one they contact you from) or has zero consistency in their usernames (to evade bans)
-has very inconsistent art style (art in their gallery may even still have obvious watermarks/signatures that do not match) if you suspect someone of stealing other's art, try putting multiple pieces of "theirs" into a reverse-image search site, and contacting the artists of the oldest posts.
-gets extremely defensive/rude if you question their process, style, or watermark/signature (or just suddenly drops the whole thing, or claims to be busy, after pestering you with almost no breaks)
-is pushy and impatient (since they don't want to give you time to reconsider, and have to get back to the real artist with what you say)
-insists on talking outside of furaffinity, such as discord, instead of through notes (this is not just for faster interaction, putting you under pressure so you are less likely to properly analyze the situation, but also so that the conversation cannot be used against them ON furaffinity)
-speaks really bad english(tho there are plenty of trustworthy russian artists on here and the scam could be operated by someone fluent in english, so don't rely on this trait alone. it is merely more efficient for a native russian speaker to scam other russians)
-has inconsistent pricing or tries to raise the price after you agree to one (they will be open to haggling, since even if it's a lower price they still make a considerable profit for no effort on their part)
-does not use invoices, and/or tries to convince you to pay them 'as a friend' to avoid paypal's protection fees. (when in reality it is so you cannot get a refund) DO NOT USE BOOSTY UNLESS YOU KNOW AND TRUST THE ARTIST. it is just like 'pay as friend' with paypal, in that you CANNOT dispute a transaction/ask for a refund.
Tysm for the information ;; Will be more in the lookout
I'm amazed FA doesn't allow warning posts for this. It's cruel to the original artists.
Thanks for looking out for us!
ALWAYS CHECK THEIR GALLERY FOR CONSISTENCY AND/OR PROPER CREDITS
but, i'm always VERY suspicious of people who don't post their prices publicly. there's no reason not to, other than that way you can give everyone a different price for the same thing and they'll never know you're being completely unfair.
Thanks for the heads-up and re-posted this journal on my end.
and thankyou for sharing the warning :)
Sounds like he's trying to act as some middleman, a scamming version of one anyway since he's posing as an artist.
i have reported them to the staff, as has at least one person i've contacted, so hopefully we can get them banned soon. i'm just afraid they won't listen to me because i'm just a spectator, not one of the people who actually got scammed.
I have a friend from Russia who is an artist and yeah they can work on the cheap but this dude is just flat out taking advantage of them from what I am hearing. Well I hope administration will take this seriously cuz we don't need someone like that here basically acting as an art thief for pay.
language barrier not helps as a lot russians dont speak english ether , and google translate is cancer.
hopefuly said person will get banned but i have personal dislike for any middle man and usualy can smell if something is fishy.
Thanks for the warning!
If it were not for these accounts with sweet words and black thoughts, I might even allow myself sometime to write to someone who actively likes my gallery and leaves comments, if I see something that will really interest me - "wow, what a cool character, if you order something with him I will give you a discount "
But I won't do it. Because it will sound like a request for an order or a plea for help. Or as a scam...
And I don't need this order like air, I just liked the character and it would be nice for me to work on a picture with him.
Very, very sad
for artists:
if someone who claims to be a copyright holder of an oc ref sheet, then I'd recommend searching it on TinEye or Google images, if you find source account, note that account about authorizing and tell "hey {oc-owner-name}, {commissioner-name} wants to commission me depicting your {oc-name-or-link}, please respond with actions"
gosh so congested today, either way thank you for the information
I wish I still had my $120. -_-
“I want to report unauthorized activity”
or
“I want to report an issue with a remittance”
I don’t see anything about not getting the item I paid for.
Very good work of you, we need more people like you.
buy for cheap and sell for more and then gain from it.
i dont know if it is legaly allowed or disallowed or even might be in a greyzone in terms of law, but i agree its quite the scummy kind of business since it feels like they are just a leech and not contributing in any way. but atleast they are makeing these artists get more traffic through them for them to gain some money which they might wont been able to get if they arent there.
as for what you mean for currency, it doesnt have to do with that, it is rather about the cost of living.. russian cost of living is lower than some western countries cost of living which most of the fur community seem to be apart of meaning that most the market for furry art is based in western countries while there are wonderful artists in russia lost in their world that dont know how to get their art to be more known to get sales.. and since these kind of artists have a low cost of living their prices are lower.
now that is for the business method they are useing....
BUT the way they are selling their product with misinformation isnt great...
you should not ever be lying about how you are selling your product, this is where he breaks common trade laws. When you sell something with product misinformation, saying they are the artist with this art style etc... it means that it is gonna look in their art style and all... but as you have stated they are doing this business method and instead should be saying that they arent an artist but simply just a 3th party seller and offer these artstyles etc..
you are allowed to not say where you exactly got it from i believe, but falsifying the information is a nono and leads to product information being lied about -> broken law
but heh who is gonna really go to court for this, i dont have the money for it, but i hope that maybe furaffinity staff could do something about it.. if they even care that is
Some person wants to make an order from you, shows you a character (he says that it belongs to him) and tells you to draw it. It turns out that he stole both the character and the drawing.
I had a case where a customer urked a character and deliberately ordered art with a fetish. For a long time I refused to redo the finished drawing, but he asked me very much. Fortunately, while I was refusing, I was contacted by the real owner, who was against any NSFW drawings, but they do it.
In addition, I have the same price for everyone: both for Russia and for other countries. I hate to realize that because of such a fraudster, a person has paid more money for nothing than he should have.
This is not a help at all in any case. They are deliberately looking for underage artists, because their prices are very small (even for Russia), to order art for a penny, which you can not even buy a small burger in McDuck. They overstep our law when they order NSFW-art or send it to them, not to mention the threat to life and how they search for the child's parents!
When I wrote about the fact that all drawings have different style, they wrote to me in excuse "I just draw with my left hand sometimes" LOL
Also today a girl who was injured by one of accounts wrote to me. he sexually harassed and blackmailed her.
if the victim feels comfortable to write a post, I will inform about it
All this sounds just crazy and disgusting....
that's why even tho it may seem like a minor issue to some people (the artist got payed didn't they?), it is still extremely important to get rid of these scammers whenever possible. the fact that they think theft and lying like this is okay is just the tip of the iceberg as far as their disgusting and twisted morals.
Which i know he couldn't cause he doesnt know where i live but thats scary shit...
This person was sending the same message to a lot of ppl, also the same private note about offering their services.
Maybe I'm judging too fast, but sounds quite similar to this.
But actually, I noticed they're directly drawing OVER an existing image. Not only tracing, but drawing over an image another artist drew.
Unintentionally I found this person has a second account, but they never linked it to the one they're using now. It's quite strange, but seems to be doing the same thing you explain here.
I want to say that I attract attention by shouting, and do not hesitate if they are repeated. For me, this is a more economical way than ordering advertising for 2500 rubles(you can buy a pair of sneakers with this money ). And I don't understand the pritensions of screams. I do not cheat, I always give orders, and all the files and signatures are all there. This is crazy. Sorry for the English.
a lot of folks don't appreciate soliciting, that is, shouting/commenting in order to advertise and no other reason. when you're doing so in conjunction with thanking them for a favorite, a watch, or just genuinely liking something they have, that's a bit better. but the folks we really dislike are those who do not even actually look at our pages, and just copy/paste (spam) the same message over and over without any consideration of the person being used to sell. it is considered far more polite to simply post advertisements on your own page, and wait for people who are interested to come to you, instead of going and bothering people who did not ask. we prefer to be thought of as people, not just potential purchases.
spamming people with advertisements may be more effective for generating revenue, but it's also very annoying for the people subjected to the waves of advertisements. it's important to find a good balance, and not forget how your actions can be perceived by others. for example, the scammer is certainly making a lot of money, very efficiently, but the way they are doing so is not okay.
I feel sorry for people who are being deceived, really. But I am just as offended for those who are also considered guilty of something and then insult them in private messages or shout on the wall that they are scammers and thereby spoil their reputation.
(и за перевод своего ответа на русский тоже спасибо)
That counts as unwanted soliciting so I just blocked them and no matter how many times they were banned I still see them going around leaving messages. I hope they've been perma banned
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
As I got the shouts from this profiles, I got suspicious because of the (for me personally) insane Comments Earned/Given ratio, and decided not to reply to them. I'm glad that I did not.
I know about such scammers, so I have the same prices for everyone. But now I think about the need to raise prices for services (art).
initials and watermarks of symbols aren't helpful except for proving it's your art if you find it yourself. which, 99% of the time, you probably won't.
I am from Russia myself and I know there are such mean people, but I never thought they would get to the FA...
I don't work with Russians for this and several other reasons... Yes, there are good people, but you never know what kind of person you will get.
Thank you for the information, I will distribute it to all my foreign friends
the unfortunate-ness of it doesn't change with the duration, but to respond to your intended message, you may take comfort in the fact that they don't seem to have attracted any new bait to their shouts or posted any new stolen art in the time they have been unbanned, so it's unlikely they will do more, if as you say they've had the chance to do so for a while now.
the one thing i'll say is that one of us tried to continue the conversation pleasantly and the other didn't even say what was done to offend them before slamming that door shut... so take that for what you will.
I don't use signatures on my artworks, but after your journal I wondered if I was doing the right thing.
No need for dramatic "OMG, Russia is evil!" crap.... We get enough of that rubbish forced down our throats on TV news every fucking day :P
Why even mention Russians specifically?
European and American scammers are on FA too.
Please be carefull of them and their methods of promoting themself everyone!
But how can I protect myself and not become a victim artist?
some examples;
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/45100813/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/44782725/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/43413876/
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/42719165/
as you can see, the name is legible and present near the center of the image, but doesn't actually hide anything that matters, and is easy enough to ignore in favor of enjoying the art itself. the only people who would complain about such signatures detracting from the value of the art would be thieves.
As long as the customer got what they wanted and agreed with the price they paid, and the artist is paid what they ask for I don't see the issue.
Of course, I suspected that something was wrong, but I had no evidence to catch him.Then, on one of those days, two very good people who cared about you, found me and told me everything that was possible in that situation.
I was sad that my work was being sold by another person, and I didn’t even know about it. He also raised the price so much that he didn't even pay me half...
Therefore, I hope people will be more careful and ask sometimes for the process of creating Art. I think it will be much easier this way, but only if a person takes off the whole screen, and not just a piece.
I myself live in Ukraine and just a man from Russia deceived me
Damn it.
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/47790610/ (the piece in question)
https://artistsbeware.info/
solicitors are NEVER up to any good. don't trust random shouted compliments or advertisements.
Thanks for the info
also two or three people ask me to com them. just seemed really sketchy to me. for me, as a rule, if I want to commission someone, I will ask them.
now, if a artist I know and have worked with was to ask me, I might say yes, but when a random person ive never interacted with suddenly does so? that just sets off alarm bells.
but yeah, good general life rule is don't accept transaction offers from complete strangers. there has to be some friendship/trust there, or you go to them yourself having examined them and deemed them safe.
thankyou for sharing! getting the word out is our best bet at helping people.
I was actually sort of amused by this person, but they sure weren't going to convince me to buy something from them.
And I almost commissioned them both
I always ded wonder why they both got suspended after
Apparently it's a good thing I did
Pretty sure that money is gone then.
I'll spread the word.
Used boosty....
Which is funny because I've had success with that before.
Guess I'll chalk that up to a casino loss and refuse this from now on :/
Karma will get them
So I studied, there was little time, but I needed money, and I drew these art pieces for him, probably for half a year or more. It all started in the fall of 2021.
Needless to say, I felt really upset. :(
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/39682441/
Sad thing (unrelated) is that many of these Russian artists are exceptionally skilled in painting artstyle (saw them all the time on the frontpage some years ago), yet charge so little for what they do. I do what I love, but I have to ask for a minimum, but seeing their work priced under me makes me feel deep shame in offering so little in comparison to them.
Good post (PS: Oh wow the scrollbar is HUGE! I guess it really resonated with people too).
agreed. that's part of why this scam is so distressing... those artists deserve to get their full payment, but they get mere crumbs, and from people pretending to be real customers, making them think they are friends, even...
thanks! please consider sharing it around! the more people who see it and are made aware, the fewer people these scammers will be able to prey on. the scrollbar will just get longer and longer XD
I wrote a journal about it.https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#jid:10496936
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10747261/
at least i was lucky to keep track of the scam artist, and they ended up posting the finished work 👌
they must have had a contract and the end artist delivered to them after i requested to cancel the 2nd half of payment 😹
i wish i knew about this shady practice earlier, but at least now i can see those signs ✨
maybe there is a different threat with ai soon, i think they will change tactics and dont even need to outsource to cheaper artists 😳