and antifa founder is or one of the groups founders was convicted terrorist the only reason she was out of jail or so on was cause bill clinton pardoned her.

What even Is All of this?!

Don’t really want to argue with you but uh... no, murder gets people mad. No, riots and protests don’t need some sort of mastermind behind them. Look at how Americans react when their favorite team loses in football, they are on the streets for weeks rioting. The BLM leaders range from moderates to some more left leaning, but none of them are “Marxist” as if Marxism is even counter to American ideology considering Lincoln commonly exchanged letters with Marx, who helped prod him in the direction of deciding to fully abolish slavery. There’s good and bad, but buzzwords are not the way to get information.

1.- the "youre a nazi!" is getting me so tired... and both right or left people use it as if they knew a little of history, it is some sort of cheap manipilation and fallacy

2.- capitalism is bad, but socialism is worst, and people use that stuffs to say "hey! somehow I'm better than you in a way " while they are used as pupets for a corrupt politician

come on! the simple response is that people is greedy and envy; and if you pay attention out of the definitions and means but in the kind of people involved, you'll see that many greedy people goes to capitalism and envy people goes to socialism

hehehe, you're very terribly wrong... maybe you have been brainwashed

and about mind control, well that is my business here, come and check my youtube channel and my gallery

go and talk to  joesanchez the happy Venezolanian who had to escape his "happy place" in the "happiest place in the world", Venezuela

I have experience living in both a European country and the US. And while there are definitely things that work better in the US, most of what doesn't is due to extreme capitalism.

Most countries in Europe have a mix of socialism and capitalism and it just works.
Sure, you pay less taxes in the US, but you just pay more everywhere else, and for ridiculous amounts and for stupid reasons sometimes. You think you got a good deal off your internet provider? Think again.

Also when you say socialism, you seem to be talking about communism.
But socialism can be just that: Society isn't fair, so we try to make it a bit more fair. Equality of opportunity is not equality of results. Anyone born in the world should be able to raise the social ladder if they put in the effort to do it. That's what meritocracy is, right? Only thing, you can't get true meritocracy if the game is rigged against some people for the start (I'm not just talking race here, but classes in general).
Hence why we have universal healthcare, hence why we have free education. We try to correct unfairness however we can. It's not perfect, but it's statistically a lot more fair than the US.

And I mean, you can keep using the few examples that absolutely failed while ignoring the "in between" that kinda work, but let me tell you, this ridiculous fear of socialism feels a LOT more like brainwashing to me than what you were talking about. It's been the same paranoia for over 70 years now...

do you know why don't I use my country to arguee? because Never has been declared as "capitalist, socialis, nor comunist" even I could say that many "nordics" have followed my country as example, specially from 1958-1970...

Mexico and other latinamerican countries have realized there are many mistakes with one side and the other, so, it is nothing to do with your "experience". Curiously now that the new government is closer to "socialist" things, we are going VERY BAD... it is not "paranoia". check out the PIB of Mexico in the last 20 years!

If you think back, you'll realise that many "in between" countries are capitalist primary than socialist, then, actually you CAN'T state something like "socialism works"

Even China! they are comunist but, why do you think they are solid now that they are behaving more like a CAPITALISTS? ... free market, solid companies, supposedly with NO intervention of the government... CONTRACTS WITH APPLE! and other companies

I mean, yeah. They call Biden a socialist. A man who was a Republican for most of his life and would be considered one still if it was 20 years ago. Also, just so you guys know, a key part of fascism is calling your enemy weak while also saying they are an massive threat, which is exactly what many of this type do or imply. Not nazis but very close ideologically in some aspects.

Not like other fans from other Countries, who follow other sports, EVER rioted or caused mayhem now, is it? (why even bring-in sports?).
As an American who has witnessed/suffered/experienced some of these so-called 'Peaceful Protests' (here in Oregon, yay)?
I can tell you from my own experiences just how malignant Antifa/BLM truly are, and the real threat they (and this Marxist/Socialist/Communist/pick-a-'ist') present to any society they infest. They and this *WOKE* idiocy is a psychological cancer that has been raging unchecked, and boy, is the rest of the world finally waking up to it!
I agree with you about 'Buzzwords', esp. when so many words (and history), are being re-written or warped out of context.
Every foundation is being eroded for some strange dystopian alter-reality that has never been proven to work.
People need to stop jumping at the first thing they see/hear, and do some 'Due diligence' in finding the full story/ies and actual facts, and THEN reacting accordingly.

I never implied they didn’t riot over sports. I mean there have been wars in South America over sports. My point is that people get angry over much more trivial things than *murder*. So what if there were riots? Statistically speaking there were more protests that riots. Just because you may of happened to see a riot doesn’t mean there were not peaceful ones. And honestly if rioting is what it takes to bring meaningful change, so be it. I would rather there not be violence of course, but sometimes change has to be had. And also, most of these people you call socialists or marxists or whatever are normally pretty much centrists. I would know, I’m a full on socialist myself. Maybe educate yourself on what an ideology is before tossing it around nonstop. Just because someone doesn’t agree with *you* doesn’t mean they are a Marxist or whatever, just like you constantly say that you’re not nazis. All this “destroying the country” bullshit is just propaganda used to get boomers paranoid and get the little younger sheep to fall in line. The Republican Party is on the verge of falling apart, that’s why they have gone to such extremes. The democrats are basically what conservatives were 20-30 years ago anyhow, we don’t have a left wing party in this country. We have an extreme right wing party and a moderate right wing party. And how about you do look at Canada, look at Sweden, Denmark, anywhere in Europe. They all have more socialized industries. They have public healthcare. They have mental health funding. They have much higher standards of living because of those things. All we have is huge corporations in control of our government that call all the shots and hope the sheep never wake up to it.

Yep. Exactly, the US have no left party. The left (and far-left let's be honest) has nothing to do with the democrats. But because they love their two party system BS so much they'll never consider a split, just like republican won't split with MAGA, even though it's tarnishing their name day after day.
Also everything you said about Europe is true, and it does benefits most people, and yes, it makes society a little bit more fair, but eh... McCarthyism is still alive and well in the US for some reason.

You can enjoy yourself bantering words and making counter-arguments all you like.
I never I.D.'d myself along any political/party line, because I find that tactic stupid.
"I" am an 'Independent', if forced to pick anything. 'I' believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and that every American Citizen is bound by them. I believe our laws mean something, and if someone breaks them, should pay the appropriate price for their behavior.
There is no such thing as a 'Peaceful riot'. Nice to spout that line of BS, too.
A 'Protest' is peaceful. A gathering of citizens to show their support or ridicule of a given topic so govt. can get an eye-full and maybe realize lots of people think this or that way.
A 'Riot' is vandalizing, harassing/intimidating/assaulting/murdering other people, because you don't happen to agree with something they do. I have zero tolerance for rioters/looters/vandals/arsonists/criminals/murderers. You try to impede my travels or my 1st Amendment with violence, I'm more than happy to give you the beat-down your parents failed to administer to you as a child throwing a tantrum.
By 'You' I mean anyone on 'That side' trying to administer their stupidity against me/mine with their violence. I don't know (and I highly doubt), 'YOU', personally, would attempt such a thing. Talk is cheap and all that rot.
Is America perfect? Hell no. America is a work-in-progress, and always has been. That doesn't mean America does not, and never has, stood for some damned good things, and is a model of a new country/nation that has never been attempted before.
All I see now are mobs of angry fools, and an inept govt./judiciary/law enfarcement/MSM (weaponized propaganda IMHO), tearing down the country and over half of its citizenry as they attempt to change the definition of words, and force-feed their 'WOKE' idiocy down everyone's throats.
NOT a wise tactic, because that's only going to rile people up, and as we've all seen, cause nothing but discord.
Now, if that's the real intent?
Well done.

Funny. You’re a funny man. I never said riots were peaceful. Oh, and how did we get our independence? Killing, riots, war. Honestly just go read a history book you dimwit. And no, I don’t believe in our constitution. I think it’s very flawed and needs major change or to be replaced with a modern writing. It’s sad that an amendment that’s only purpose is to expressly state what women have the same rights as men can’t even be ratified in this country.

Can't handle a conversation that doesn't toe your own perspectives, so of course you resort to the most-common denominator the 'Left' has in its arsenal- insults and name calling.
Good job, cupcake.
Now, run-along and play with your fellow Village Idiots. Remember to find your way back home when the street lights are *ON*.

Funny you can’t either. Maybe try a cohesive argument?

Run-along sweetheart.
Run-along.

Dawh thanks, glad you think so. How about you get some facts behind you next time you open your mouth and maybe then people will take you seriously and not laugh at every word you say :)

You're still yapping?
That starved for attention, are you?
Go play in traffic, then.
Preferably the kind moving at a high rate of speed.
Do the world a favor.

Still no argument. I’ll listen when you have one! Enlighten me.

And, since you seem to have no better purpose in your life, than to troll?
Enjoy my blacklist, for I do have better things to do.

Maybe you'll get mad but, here I come:

Consider BLM corrupted, and I KNOW very much about corruption... I'M MEXICAN!

I'm not even a politics expert, but in a cold way... who the hell in the world truly is! Capitalism is a bad stuff if you think about carity and common wellness, however marxist and socialist people are very very rotten, they use your "awareness" to exploit you spirit of revolution in order to distroy anything they don't like and, as have been seen all across Latin america, to put mediocre people in power.

Marxists and any form of comunism will always use any social problem to manipulate people. and as many of us, anti marxist latinoamericans say: "it is very easy being a marxist in a country where you can buy an Iphone with less of the payment of 6 months! (no offenses intended)

And unwatched.

And forgotten. No one cares.

And you are?

No one, and thats good.

Too late. It's already in your head.
Denial seems to be the chosen tactic from those on the 'Left/Liberal/Democratic Socialist' spectrum.
Good luck with that.

What? I can't stand anything BLM.

There was a very wise man by the name of Sun Tzu. He wrote a book titled 'The Art of War' (don't waste you time on the movie, for it is the utter suck).
One of the very wise things this man shared with us in his writings is how important it is to know your enemies better than we know ourselves.
I highly encourage you/all to read his works. While it's primarily written for combat (hence the 'War' in the title), it is just as valid in any difference of opinion or perspective.
I can 100% respect and appreciate someone from Antifa/BLM having issues they see need fixing. The world is full of things that need fixing.
What I refuse to accept or comply with, is being or using terrorism to promote a maligned agenda. Antifa and the BLM are full of maligned agendas and Socialist (pick an 'ist', for there are many more), and their actions alone prove they are the problem more than anything they're espousing.
So, not trying to pick a fight with YOU, Ty.
Just sayin', I hate mucking out the stalls, but if it isn't done, the problems only get worse.
I feel the same way watching/listening to things SAID by people from the 'Left/Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Antifa/BLM/et al, and then watch and see what they actually DO.
You can't have it both ways- DEMAND EQUAL RIGHTS, and then use racism, violence, censorship/shadow banning/penal punishments/weaponizing govt. the judiciary and law enfarcement to force everyone else to comply.
Nope.
Unless, of course, I'm completely wrong, and far too many people have willingly surrendered their spines and fortitude, and WANT to be compliant 'Sheeple'?
It IS a choice, after all.

I've been closely watching all of this since the days of MLK and Cesar Chavez (actually attended one of his marches way back in the day, as a child).
Since the Rodney King beat-down, then the O.J. then,,, hell, that list would never cease, would it?
'Racism' has been weaponized and warped beyond all recognition over the past five years especially.
The rise of Antifa/BLM as 'Names' (kiss my ass, Biden & Co., for trying to dismiss them as 'Ideas'!), and then observing with utter disdain how govt./the judiciary, and FAR too many in our Law Enfarcement have ignored, denied, supported and THEN bent their cowardly knees to these domestic terrorists finally snapped me awake and aware of just how bad things have become.
Seeing MSM, 'Hollywood/Dismay (uh, Disney)/et al' merrily jump onto this train of idiocy?
We're in more trouble now than we were in the times that lead up to and include the Civil War.
That's my take on it, and I've seen nothing to make me think it's getting better anytime soon.

I went ahead and took a look at the book you're referencing to on Amazon, and I've got a weird feeling about it…

To me it looks like a "All you know is lies, but *I*, know the truth. You want proof? Buy my book." kind of thing, with a pretty convincing title and synopsis.

Of course I haven't bought it, and to be fair I know very little of american politics, so I can't say for sure. But here in France I've seen booksellers with very similar types of narratives (some are left-leaning, some are right-leaning, and many others, because of course there's gotta be a book for everybody to buy).

If there are arguments and sources in this book which can be brought forward however, I'll gladly take a closer look at them.

interesting

Sorry, my friend.
Nobody paid me to get mad from watching cops murder people in cold blood.
It's just wrong.
Stop reading books that tell you wrong is right because reasons.

Blind faith is general reserved for religion... You my dear friend are being what Comrade Stalin called a useful idiot... Reason is very important

Ah, I say that police brutality is wrong, therefore I must be a commie?
Miss me with your straw man.

Ah, I say that police brutality is wrong, therefore I must be a commie?

Democrats: see Reagan-era "law and order" policies resonate with voters.

Democrats: Pass the 1994 Crime Bill, written by Joe Biden, that Federally funds local police (COPS, Community Oriented Policing Services... like all developments, it's named after what it destroys), removing control of local law enforcement from local voters, a first principle of U.S. law enforcement since the American Revolution.

Voters: Hand Bill Clinton a Republican House and Senate for the first time since 1946.

Democrats: In 2009, shove more money into COPS.

Urban voters: Get sick of the cycle of Higher Taxes -> Less employment -> More kids go into crime -> Businesses flee -> Less employment &c., and the terrible Education Monopoly administered under the public teacher "unions" (85-90% Democrat).

Black Democrat Governors, Mayors, Police Chiefs, District Attorneys: "Don't blame us for high incarceration rates, it was those evil Republicans!"

Saying "police brutality is wrong" doesn't make you special. It's common as dirt.

Saying, "cops kill people at random," OTOH, is.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:57857299

I'm sure less cops shoot people randomly than the general population.

No, what makes you a "commie" is your insistence on blaming fictional creations for real social problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofafv4W-iQ