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Response to Apologetics Video - Leaving the Faith
4 years ago
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Hey all. Just wanted to dump my thoughts below after seeing a rather distasteful take on why people leave the Christian Faith. Link below, along with my most recent response.
https://youtu.be/dMkGl4CEW-Q
Faith is belief in something without concrete evidence. Try to demonstrate to anyone that God is real and worth worshipping without resorting to a text that has insufficiently provided a strong basis for belief. You will find moral dilemmas. There are no credible eye witnesses. The gospels rely on one another and not really unique accounts of what presumed to happen. And there are no original documents for historians to review to determine the historicity of the text. The fact you admitted Christians rely on faith in a higher power is an admission to dismiss your own critical thinking to appeal to something that is impossible. Something that cannot be ever demonstrated or proven. Why would an all powerful God need people like you to defend and prove his existence? Christians have a very hard time to answer the modern "silence" from God when people demand proof. You can't just sit and point to "Look around! It's obvious!" Sorry, but scientific pursuits can explain plenty of natural phenomena out there and Christians actively deny or try to forge their thinking in the scientific community.
God IS a tyrant because we're a byproduct of his creation in your worldview. We had NO say in the matter to be born into a life of suffering and pain. You may cry that all of us have a purpose, but again, outside of "scripture", that cannot be demonstrated without presuppositions. How can you be comfortable in putting your trust in a tyrant that has put the world in jeopardy by allowing evil to develop since Day 1? A tyrant that has genocidal plans to end the world for real and usher in eternal peace. I'm sorry, but such peace is logically impossible. Eventually, even the saved will forget what evil is and history could repeat itself. What joy is there in an existence without conflict and challenges? You're acting like the promise of heaven is a good thing, when it's so nebulous and suggesting the removal of free will to establish a sin free world.
And I never said Christians are dumb. I'm saying they are wasting their time to trust an unreliable source for life advice, future promises, and accurate historical accounts. So many fundamentalist Christians will not budge or accept apostasy. They will do whatever they can to convert instead of trying to understand why someone like me would reject God. Because God is not an omnibenevolent being. Nor is it any of the other omnis at once. Your God exists outside reality. And thus, it cannot possibly exist.
By claiming religious "jealousy" as a fine thing, you make God out to be a petty individual. It SHOULD be above the need of worship to validate its own existence. I fully believe any God worth worshipping is above mandatory worship for fear of eternal torture. Why would it worry about others choosing Gods to worship instead? It could seriously end all doubt if he showed up, had an interview, cleaned up Biblical contradictions, and made up an easier to understand book to guide our lives. God is supposed to be the Holy Father. Even after death, when all doubt is erased, why wouldn't the All Powerful father take the time to correct ones ways directly? Why assume the person isn't going to change? Or just make a world where they can live away from his presence without suffering. Why rob us of the choice to not accept God and assume things were made perfect?
Face it. Christianity is filled with presumptions in its validation. It seeks to undermine the opinions of non believers and establish theocracies around the world, much like Islamic States. Humanity must look past the many religions of old. I know we can if we can have honest conversations across the board. But Christians are always the ones that will not listen to reason. And will instead, turn to claims of persecution when the world rejects their unsubstantiated claims.
https://youtu.be/dMkGl4CEW-Q
Faith is belief in something without concrete evidence. Try to demonstrate to anyone that God is real and worth worshipping without resorting to a text that has insufficiently provided a strong basis for belief. You will find moral dilemmas. There are no credible eye witnesses. The gospels rely on one another and not really unique accounts of what presumed to happen. And there are no original documents for historians to review to determine the historicity of the text. The fact you admitted Christians rely on faith in a higher power is an admission to dismiss your own critical thinking to appeal to something that is impossible. Something that cannot be ever demonstrated or proven. Why would an all powerful God need people like you to defend and prove his existence? Christians have a very hard time to answer the modern "silence" from God when people demand proof. You can't just sit and point to "Look around! It's obvious!" Sorry, but scientific pursuits can explain plenty of natural phenomena out there and Christians actively deny or try to forge their thinking in the scientific community.
God IS a tyrant because we're a byproduct of his creation in your worldview. We had NO say in the matter to be born into a life of suffering and pain. You may cry that all of us have a purpose, but again, outside of "scripture", that cannot be demonstrated without presuppositions. How can you be comfortable in putting your trust in a tyrant that has put the world in jeopardy by allowing evil to develop since Day 1? A tyrant that has genocidal plans to end the world for real and usher in eternal peace. I'm sorry, but such peace is logically impossible. Eventually, even the saved will forget what evil is and history could repeat itself. What joy is there in an existence without conflict and challenges? You're acting like the promise of heaven is a good thing, when it's so nebulous and suggesting the removal of free will to establish a sin free world.
And I never said Christians are dumb. I'm saying they are wasting their time to trust an unreliable source for life advice, future promises, and accurate historical accounts. So many fundamentalist Christians will not budge or accept apostasy. They will do whatever they can to convert instead of trying to understand why someone like me would reject God. Because God is not an omnibenevolent being. Nor is it any of the other omnis at once. Your God exists outside reality. And thus, it cannot possibly exist.
By claiming religious "jealousy" as a fine thing, you make God out to be a petty individual. It SHOULD be above the need of worship to validate its own existence. I fully believe any God worth worshipping is above mandatory worship for fear of eternal torture. Why would it worry about others choosing Gods to worship instead? It could seriously end all doubt if he showed up, had an interview, cleaned up Biblical contradictions, and made up an easier to understand book to guide our lives. God is supposed to be the Holy Father. Even after death, when all doubt is erased, why wouldn't the All Powerful father take the time to correct ones ways directly? Why assume the person isn't going to change? Or just make a world where they can live away from his presence without suffering. Why rob us of the choice to not accept God and assume things were made perfect?
Face it. Christianity is filled with presumptions in its validation. It seeks to undermine the opinions of non believers and establish theocracies around the world, much like Islamic States. Humanity must look past the many religions of old. I know we can if we can have honest conversations across the board. But Christians are always the ones that will not listen to reason. And will instead, turn to claims of persecution when the world rejects their unsubstantiated claims.
It's great to be free from one of many genocidal minded people